Eminem's Relapse

[mickill]

Should be leaking any minute now.

Remember when he didn't have to try half as hard, but rapped twice as good? We Made You (http://www.zshare.net/audio/5830487209867bca/) is even more disappointing than Crack A Bottle. It actually makes Crack A Bottle sound like The Benjamins. Are normal people seriously supposed to drive around or hang out while listening to shit like this? I mean, you can clearly see the skill is there, but...this is just...

Anyway, I highly doubt this album will be a return to form, but maybe there's still some hope. But I'm not holding my fucking breath.

[adam_f]

It'll sell a million in a week but that just means a million people are gonna wind up disappointed. I tried to like Crack A Bottle but I just couldn't do it.

[mickill]

I'm pretty sure that D12 have songs without Eminem that are better than Crack A Bottle. I can't verify this, since I won't listen to that shit, but I'm pretty sure.

[TurdBerglar]

isn't this the oh so typical rap artist fall from greatness routine here?

[pshabi]

Wow. Career = O V E R.

[The Notorious LOL]

the video is hilarious. I've heard worse Eminem singles. I still am willing to bet the rest of the album is good.

[Randetica]

Wow. Career = O V E R.

i wish it never started

[Deep_Sea_Rain]

Very funny video, but it does come off as "trying to hard" unfortunately. I'll wait and hold judgment on the whole Em comeback thing 'till I hear the rest of the album, but I'm not feeling his flow on this new single...

[hpdrifter]

I haven't heard the new single but I did hear it name checks guitar hero.

There was a time when he didn't resort to wierd al style pop culture references. I guess that time has passed. Is there an octo-mom verse?

[Whatitis]

The rhyming in the song is way better than Crack A Bottle but the video is horrible, trying way too hard but the song itself is way better. I cannot stand the chorus in Crack A Bottle and this one is a bit more tolerable for an Eminem song.

[Kid Presentable]

Wow @ his gay Arabian AIDS patient swagger

[hpdrifter]

Saw the video this morning, pretty predictable first single. The beats are awful, though. Just boring. As for the lyrics, I don't know. They're funny but it's the same old schtick. It worked before because he was a part of the pop culture stuff that he was mocking. It separated him from it. But now it just comes off as trying too hard.

[HEIRESS]

Eminem is looking Slim these days...

[Kid Presentable]

I want to know where the DJ Premier track is at. And I hope that it doesn't feature that wack delivery. Jesus dude sucks now.

[cubsfirstplace]

the video is hilarious. I've heard worse Eminem singles. I still am willing to bet the rest of the album is good.

hey what happened to your old avatar? the one with the blindfolded guy sitting down and the girl with the huge ass. it was hilarious

[The Notorious LOL]

I changed that probably 2 years ago at least.

[cubsfirstplace]

2 years ago? i thought you had it a couple months ago.
but do you have the link to it?

[HAL 9000]

Why does Eminem rap in that stupid voice on so many records now. He sounds like a Muppet. It would be OK for a line or maybe a verse (just for a change of flow) but it really sucks when he keeps doing it on so many songs.

[cj hood]

eminem's overrated...using a falsetto voice when rhyming (although he's not the only one that does this) is wack!

[Lex Diamonds]

I've thought for a while that Em has fallen off harder than any other artist ever. He's not doing much to prove me wrong right now. The rhymes and references sound so forced and this new muppet flow is just embarassing. There's still something there though and I'm holding out a little bit of hope that it's just the singles that are gonna be like this. That might just be blind optimism cuz I can't let go of the old Slim but we will see. I'm preparing myself for crushing disappointment on the Preme track.

[checkyourprez]

theres no doubt the ability and creative skills are still there. the way he goes about his rhymes on that song are still really good.

his subject matter and rap style are where he needs to revert back his slim shady days.

but idk even with the beasties, they dont rap about what the did on LTI or PB, and they dont sound the same doing it either.

so in the sense idk if there is a coming back from him.

i think he still has it in him to put out good music, just needs to do it.

[Odie]

I've never rated him, I've always seen him like them referencing parody Scary Movie/Meet the Spartans type movies, and about as funny. This sounds the same as any other of his first sigles from his albums to me, I expect the typical serious one next. This is very soft compared to his younger self though, no references that make your ears prick up, even if you didnt want to be manipulated into noticing his self reverential and pop referencing annoyance, this dosnt do that, and is easily ignored. But in saying that I think in todays internet memes and youtube world, you'd have to be a human raping 4chan to do that now... ugh how bleak.

[Guy Incognito]

good video , dre always makes me laugh in eminem's videos.

song is awful tho, i dont think his rhymes are that good either. tryin too hard

[checkyourprez]

I've never rated him, I've always seen him like them referencing parody Scary Movie/Meet the Spartans type movies, and about as funny. This sounds the same as any other of his first sigles from his albums to me, I expect the typical serious one next. This is very soft compared to his younger self though, no references that make your ears prick up, even if you didnt want to be manipulated into noticing his self reverential and pop referencing annoyance, this dosnt do that, and is easily ignored. But in saying that I think in todays internet memes and youtube world, you'd have to be a human raping 4chan to do that now... ugh how bleak.

infinite, slim shady lp, and his early freestyles are insane. there is no denying that ability.

[Burnout18]

i don't like the first two songs i heard, but i love how he picks on people that society worships, like the popstars like kim kardashian and amy winhouse.... ironically he is as big of a star as the people he has always made fun of.

[checkyourprez]

i don't like the first two songs i heard, but i love how he picks on people that society worships, like the popstars like kim kardashian and amy winhouse.... ironically he is as big of a star as the people he has always made fun of.

yea but most of those people dont do anything. they are just famous for who they are. sure some may act or sing, but in the end they are just constantly in the tabloids for dumb shit they do.

[The Notorious LOL]

The more I hear it, the more I like it. Fuck it, its alright.

[Kid Presentable]

Of all of his gimmicky debut singles, it sure ranks up there as one of them. My Name Is is really where it ends for me.

[The Notorious LOL]

I remain confident that at least half of this album will be solid.

[Kid Presentable]

Yeah you're probably right. I'm a bit over the delivery, but I'm sure he will have a couply treats on there.

[Burnout18]

yea but most of those people dont do anything. they are just famous for who they are. sure some may act or sing, but in the end they are just constantly in the tabloids for dumb shit they do.

exactly, and thats why i like seeing those shitheads being made fun of.

[mickill]

Now I'm thinking, maybe he's rapping like that to distance himself from shit like this (http://www.zshare.net/audio/5842345335de578c/).

Also, he's getting a Royce cosign/knock for releasing that shit as his single here (http://2dopeboyz.okayplayer.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/20090409-royce.jpg). I'm willing to bet it will be better than the last two, but not the Slim Shady and Marshall Mathers LPs.

[checkyourprez]

Now I'm thinking, maybe he's rapping like that to distance himself from shit like this (http://www.zshare.net/audio/5842345335de578c/).

Also, he's getting a Royce cosign/knock for releasing that shit as his single here (http://2dopeboyz.okayplayer.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/20090409-royce.jpg). I'm willing to bet it will be better than the last two, but not the Slim Shady and Marshall Mathers LPs.

haha when i said asher roth was just an eminem wanna be people really stuck up for asher on that one.

but i dont think theres any denying asher jacked his old style.

[Kid Presentable]

His freestyly over Mr Me Too was alright, though.

[checkyourprez]

His freestyly over Mr Me Too was alright, though.

some of his stuff is actually decent. im not trying to say hes total shit or anything. he just sounds a lot like someone else.

Word... you know how niggaz be bitin and shit
Niggaz be bitin mad styles n shit from niggaz man
Yeah, no doubt
That’s what I be hatin man, I can’t stand a fuckin bitin ass nigga-raekwon

[cj hood]

Should be leaking any minute now.

Remember when he didn't have to try half as hard, but rapped twice as good? We Made You (http://www.zshare.net/audio/5830487209867bca/) is even more disappointing than Crack A Bottle.


this vid looks like something Weird Al would do....

[Odie]

I think thats giving it alittle too much credit, I'm telling you, it's like a trailer for meet the Meet the Spartans 2. But he really gives it to vacuous celebrities! haha Jessica Simpson is a bit chubby now! who cares? who finds this funny? Why not satire the media for placing such attention to such pathetic things?

[RobMoney$]

I'm really looking foward to some new Ken Kaniff and Paul Rosenberg skits.
Because those never get old.

[mickill]

I just heard the full version of As I Em (http://www.zshare.net/audio/584665732db5e93e/), and despite the fact that Em is infinitely more skilled than Asser, I have an easier time listening to this than either of the duds released from Relapse so far.

[RobMoney$]

Maybe if Em stopped trying to make the same record he'd make something great.

Intro (skit)
Song where Em gets angry about a political issue
Song dissing celebrities
Paul (skit)
Song about Kim or Halie or Kim & Halie
Song with Snoop
Song with Dre
Ken Kaniff (skit)
Song with 50
Song about being discriminated against because he's white
Song with D12 & Obie Trice


I've heard this record like 4 times already.

[pshabi]

Maybe if Em stopped trying to make the same record he'd make something great.

Intro (skit)
Song where Em gets angry about a political issue
Song dissing celebrities
Paul (skit)
Song about Kim or Halie or Kim & Halie
Song with Snoop
Song with Dre
Ken Kaniff (skit)
Song with 50
Song about being discriminated against because he's white
Song with D12 & Obie Trice


I've heard this record like 4 times already.

Don't forget to mention the single(s) with carnival music and corny ass voices. It's a recipe for success!

[Lex Diamonds]

We Made You is kind of growing on me. Don't get me wrong, it's not a good song but it doesn't suck as much as I first thought. If this is the Without Me or Just Lose It then I'm looking forward to hearing the Way I Ams and Sing For The Moments of this album.

And personally I like the D12/Obie posse cuts. I won't be too disappointed if Em sticks to the tried and tested format, as long as the overall quality is higher than his last two albums.

[roosta]

When i first heard "We Made You" i thought it was pretty bad...but its growing on me.

My problem with it mainly is the weird voice he puts on. The flow/lyrics are alright, and i like the beat/chorus. But the voice is just annoying.

Anyhoo...not particularly interested in this album, but i'll probably check it out.

[adam_f]

I had to Google who Asher Roth is, and I came upon an interview where he says he's "classic white"

I don't know what it means, but I think it means he's a cunt.

[roosta]

I had to Google who Asher Roth is, and I came upon an interview where he says he's "classic white"

I don't know what it means, but I think it means he's a cunt.

haha (y)

i think your right.

[mickill]

Decent/only partially annoying radio interview (http://www.zshare.net/audio/590742794159607a/). Three noteworthy things about the album:

1) No guests other than Dre and 50 (which means no D12, and more importantly, no Bizarre)
2) Dre produced the whole album (aside from one song)
3) Lots of autotune

[mickill]

This 3AM (http://www.zshare.net/audio/59087980e21eb621/) shit is a little better. But seriously, what's with these accents?

[checkyourprez]

Decent/only partially annoying radio interview (http://www.zshare.net/audio/590742794159607a/). Three noteworthy things about the album:

1) No guests other than Dre and 50 (which means no D12, and more importantly, no Bizarre)
2) Dre produced the whole album (aside from one song)
3) Lots of autotune

i think he missed the autotune boat. it seems like its getting overkilled. it was full throttle as he was making the album i would assume.


that 3am song is not bad. but i am not digging his new rap style.

this is what i hate about rappers, this is something unneeded. he is trying to sound like this. i hate when rappers get like this. dmx is another example i have mentioned on this site.

[Miho]

It's better than We Made You. This new one is growing on me.

[Randetica]

will he ever throw out a track that isnt complete annoying kiddy crap?

and why does he make fun of all the celebs when he is a fucking joke himself?

why do people buy this crapload?

[checkyourprez]

will he ever throw out a track that isnt complete annoying kiddy crap?

and why does he make fun of all the celebs when he is a fucking joke himself?

why do people buy this crapload?


3 AM (http://videos.onsmash.com/v/68JBx8rrebyhxm5M) video.

nothing annoying or kiddy about this track and video. this premiered on cinimax (or some other pay movie channel i forget, but it doesnt really mater) and doubt if this will get any play on mtv or bet unless on its after hours shows or gets severely edited.


at first i wasnt feeling the accent because of how dope slim shady album and his other early work is. but im starting to come around. its just something different.

[Odie]

Why would it not get played? It's hardly the Evil Dead 2, looks about as graphic as a trailer for a corny teen horror film. I'm not hearing/seeeing anything terribly original. The whole thing seems adolescent. Oh, but he's got his top off again, eh ladies?!

[checkyourprez]

Why would it not get played? It's hardly the Evil Dead 2, looks about as graphic as a trailer for a corny teen horror film. I'm not hearing/seeeing anything terribly original. The whole thing seems adolescent. Oh, but he's got his top off again, eh ladies?!

:confused: its rap. what do you expect?

[checkyourprez]

eminem old times sake ft. dr.dre (http://www.zshare.net/audio/59580913114f59b7/)

still got that accent.

ive just com to accept it, like ive come to accept wutangs not putting out more 36 chambers. it is what it is.

[Lex Diamonds]

This is my favourite track so far. The beat has that extra something none of the others have had. And Dre actually has something half-decent to say, unlike on Crack A Bottle. I'm also enjoying the return of the "chik-chikka" voice scratches.

It's a shame that his best shit is that which sounds most like his old stuff, but it's true. Seems creativity isn't really an option for Slim these days, at least not if he wants to sell records.

[Randetica]

3 AM (http://videos.onsmash.com/v/68JBx8rrebyhxm5M) video.

nothing annoying or kiddy about this track and video.

sure, 13 year olds will find this helluva gangsta

[Odie]

This is my favourite track so far. The beat has that extra something none of the others have had. And Dre actually has something half-decent to say, unlike on Crack A Bottle. I'm also enjoying the return of the "chik-chikka" voice scratches.

Yeah i'm glad he's finaly bragging about hitting a woman, about time Dre graced us with such high minded wisdom.

And ah yes! The vocal stratching, luv dat! The most un-annoying thing that he hardly ever does in any of his song, ever!

[HAL 9000]

eminem old times sake ft. dr.dre (http://www.zshare.net/audio/59580913114f59b7/)

still got that accent.

ive just com to accept it, like ive come to accept wutangs not putting out more 36 chambers. it is what it is.

More muppet rapping. Surely someone in his camp can point out how stupid it sounds?

[checkyourprez]

Yeah i'm glad he's finaly bragging about hitting a woman, about time Dre graced us with such high minded wisdom.

And ah yes! The vocal stratching, luv dat! The most un-annoying thing that he hardly ever does in any of his song, ever!

if you listen to rap and arent used to them talking about beating woman then you are in the wrong genre man. kenny g's on the other side of the rack.

More muppet rapping. Surely someone in his camp can point out how stupid it sounds?


yea i am not sure about why dre or anyone hasnt told him anything about it. unless its actually the opposite, which i have suspected. they have actually encouragedhim to rap like this.

it has worked wonders for wanye to rap in a gay style (if you dont know what im talking about listen to some old wayne, or mixtape wayne and his current radio jams). so maybe they decided to take a page out of his highest selling artist of late book.

[checkyourprez]

sure, 13 year olds will find this helluva gangsta

13 year olds are about cranking that and being a martian.

songs like this are not big with the youth these days. i think you are a little out of touch with the kiddys.

[Odie]

if you listen to rap and arent used to them talking about beating woman then you are in the wrong genre man. kenny g's on the other side of the rack.


Oh, yeah them rappers are always talking about knocking about women aren't they? I think it's only Oprah Winfrey who thinks that, surely?
Well i was replying to coment that dre's rap was actually saying something of any merit, I have no problem with people saying what they want in the context of art, and criticize it if it's shit, not on a moral level, though why sexism is tolerated compared to anti semitism or racism I dont know. But here's a guy that did assault a woman and is seemingly bragging about this incident, which if thats the case makes him not just a bit naughty for rapping about it but a cunt in my book.

[Randetica]

13 year olds are about cranking that and being a martian.

songs like this are not big with the youth these days. i think you are a little out of touch with the kiddys.


you seem a bit too interested in kiddys

[Lex Diamonds]

Yeah i'm glad he's finaly bragging about hitting a woman, about time Dre graced us with such high minded wisdom.

And ah yes! The vocal stratching, luv dat! The most un-annoying thing that he hardly ever does in any of his song, ever!
Sand + vagina = you

So how's the menopause working out for you anyway?

[checkyourprez]

you seem a bit too interested in kiddys

reviewing the conversation, you were the one who brought the kids into the alter. night night keep the kids buttholes tight.

[cubsfirstplace]

should be leaking any minute now

[mickill]

Some snippets:

Underground (http://www.zshare.net/audio/59689537ae322893/)
Stay Wide Awake (http://www.zshare.net/audio/59689525e84463d5/)

The second one seems okay, probably better than the other 4 "leaked" tracks. But I'm really not liking the sound of this album at all so far. Along with losing the dumb accents, they really needed to update these beats or something. All the songs that have dropped so far sound like they could have come out in 2002.

[camo]

Each and everyone has sounded really naff to me (n)

But yeah your right it sounds like something from the past. The fact that he is yet again using that stupid accent means that I won't be buying this album, I'll be ripping it from rapidshare just out of curiosity instead.

[Kid Presentable]

Admins can lock this thread.

[camo]

Cheetahs can run a speed from 74-100 mph.

[Randetica]

Admins can lock this thread.

and eminem too, while they are at it

[Lex Diamonds]

Eminem can only improve on his last album.

C/S the production thing, but like I said this is all he knows how to do. He completely fell off around 2003/04 and has realised that the only way he's gonna put out some decent shit is to take it back. You can tell this shit doesn't come naturally to him but it's going to sell more records and personally I would much rather hear another The Eminem Show than most of the shit dropping in hip-hop atm.

[Kid Presentable]

You're not even going to get another Eminem Show.

[mickill]

Dr. West (Intro) (http://www.zshare.net/audio/597175263c3effc4/)

Insane (http://www.zshare.net/audio/59717688ec700504/)

If you're interested in hearing about Em's childhood buttsex exploits and felching preferences, delivered in the most basic flow of his career, over a beat that sounds like it could have been featured on any random teenager's soundclick page, "Insane" is gonna be YOUR SHIT.

I had some high hopes in the beginning, but I think it's safe to assume that there aren't any Stan/Guilty Conscience/The Way I Am/Renegade-level songs on the way. Sorry to disappoint you, Kid P.

[mickill]

My Mom (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?jn0y0o1jagy)

More accents, but the beat's not bad.

Bagpipes From Baghdad (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?3z2tzotojtg)

Again, more accents, but the beat's not bad.


The album has officially leaked.

[mickill]

Same Song And Dance (http://www.zshare.net/audio/597216488e003130/)
Decent concept, but not really feeling this.

Hello (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?jfmdwhtq4kh)
One of the better ones, if not the best so far.

Medicine Ball (http://www.zshare.net/audio/59721886b20446ad/)
Hook is eh, but I don't mind this.

[mickill]

Tonya (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?wz0jmmzzgg2)

Paul (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ttdknmqynoq)

Skits

[mickill]

Tracklist:

1. “Dr. West” (skit)
2. “3am”
3. “My Mom”
4. “Insane”
5. “Bagpipes from Baghdad”
6. “Hello”
7. “Tonya” (skit)
8. “Same Song & Dance”
9. “We Made You”
10. “Medicine Ball”
11. “Paul” (skit)
12. “Stay Wide Awake”
13. “Old Time’s Sake” (featuring Dr. Dre)
14. “Must Be the Ganja”
15. “Mr. Mathers”
16. “Deja Vu”
17. “Beautiful”
18. “Crack a Bottle” (featuring Dr. Dre, 50 Cent)
19. “Steve Berman”
20. “Underground/Ken Kaniff”

Just finished downloading the album. It's easily as good as Encore. Maybe even better. I shit you not.

[cubsfirstplace]

could you post a link???

[Lex Diamonds]

The link (http://rapidshare.com/files/230410453/EMR09.WZ_Demonik.rar)s don't last long because it's illegal to download it. So yeah I'm not condoning clicking on that.

I've listened to the album like 3 or 4 times since yesterday. I can't decide whether it's good or not. It's like everything's there but something just isn't right. Like I said before it sounds kinda forced.

[Lex Diamonds]

Easily better than Encore though which is a good thing.

[pshabi]

Lots of cats in here who I REALLY respect in terms of knowledge and taste in hip hop. That's why it's such a head scratcher that some of them are seriously dangling from a thread of hope that this record isn't dogshit. Almost like they just don't want to admit it or they feel guilty about it or something.

IMO, he's done.

[checkyourprez]

some of you have sipped that haterade into retardation.

this album is heat.


its got a nice concept. overall a lot of bangers. beats are fire. kids is trippin if they are hating.

[pshabi]

Come on, Prez. The beats suck too.

[Randetica]

it sounds all the fucking same and is p.s. not funny

[checkyourprez]

Come on, Prez. The beats suck too.

bro i am not a em dick rider by any means.

i dont fuck with anything past the mm lp.

but this shit is good man. deja vu, beautiful, medicine ball, 3am, baghdad bagpipes, underground, stay wide awake, must be the ganja, all heavy bangers.

heaterrrrrrrrs.


i dont even mind/care about the accent anymore. overall it fits what hes trying to do.

for real just step back and dont listen to it trying to hear slim shady.

take it for what it is bro. its a good fucking album in 2009. this dude comes out in 09 with (to my knowledge) 1 producer on the whole album. 2 guest spot songs (2 dre 1 50) with some outlandish crazy lyrics. no commercial bullshit, and some of you are hating this?

honestly just need to be real with it.


the new beasties album is not going to sound like licensed to ill. ya dig.

[HAL 9000]

It was a lot better than I expected, a few good tracks. I really liked the opening skit which mirrors the opening skit from the Slim Shady EP (where the Slim Shady character is first introduced). It is just a shame to go from that into the horrible 3am.

BEst tracks for me on the first listen - Hello (which sounds like Marshall Mathers LP era Eminem), Deja Vu (finally Eminem has some genuine angst to put in his songs) and Underground/

[mickill]

I still don't mind 3 am.

I think that Hello and possibly Stay Wide Awake are the overall winners, though.

Musically, the entire album, as a whole, really resembles the Eminem Show. I wouldn't say that many of these songs stand strong on their own, but they do flow well together. I think it's probably one of his most consistent albums, even though there aren't really any surprises here. I don't think his latest shock tactics are very effective; they're more eye-roll-inducing than shocking.

Apart from Hello, there isn't any real classic material here (think top 25 Em songs).

[BangBangBunny]

Every artist/entertainer either a) falls off at some point or b) dies before they get the chance to.

Except for Herbie Hancock and Daniel Day-Lewis.

Peace,
BBB

[checkyourprez]

Every artist/entertainer either a) falls off at some point or b) dies before they get the chance to.

Except for Herbie Hancock and Daniel Day-Lewis.

Peace,
BBB

well em may have had a dip in form, but hes crazy with this one.

shits hella hard homie.

[HAL 9000]

The Steve Berman skit at the end implies that Eminem has made two new albums – does anyone know anything about this?

Also the Dr West / Slim Shady character in the (really awesome) opening skit – sounds like Chris Morris (of Brass-eye / Day today fame) – anyone know if it is?

[Odie]

Also the Dr West / Slim Shady character in the (really awesome) opening skit – sounds like Chris Morris (of Brass-eye / Day today fame) – anyone know if it is?

God no, through it does sound a little like one of the Doctor sketches from Blue Jam but not funny. I believe it's McNulty from The Wire.

[HAL 9000]

God no, through it does sound a little like one of the Doctor sketches from Blue Jam but not funny. I believe it's McNulty from The Wire.

You are right, it is the Wire guy. It was the Blue Jam sketches that I was thinking of though.

[checkyourprez]

The Steve Berman skit at the end implies that Eminem has made two new albums – does anyone know anything about this?

Also the Dr West / Slim Shady character in the (really awesome) opening skit – sounds like Chris Morris (of Brass-eye / Day today fame) – anyone know if it is?

he has made 2 albums to come out this year.

relapse and "relapse 2". i dont know if it will actually be called that but it should be out this year. that is, if we are to believe a rapper about a record release date.

[hpdrifter]

The Steve Berman skit at the end implies that Eminem has made two new albums – does anyone know anything about this?


Another album will be released in the fall. I'm not sure why.

Edit: Looks like it'll be called "Relapse 2"

[cubsfirstplace]

after listening to it a few times i would say its a pretty good album. as good as the eminem show, possibly better. underground is amazing and his best song since marshall mathers lp. i would put it in his top 15 songs maybe even top 10. i'm trying to calculate how many times valium is mentioned on the album.

[checkyourprez]

he has made 2 albums to come out this year.

relapse and "relapse 2". i dont know if it will actually be called that but it should be out this year. that is, if we are to believe a rapper about a record release date.

Another album will be released in the fall. I'm not sure why.

Edit: Looks like it'll be called "Relapse 2"

thanks for clearing that up for anyone that may have overlooked my post.

[checkyourprez]

after listening to it a few times i would say its a pretty good album. as good as the eminem show, possibly better. underground is amazing and his best song since marshall mathers lp. i would put it in his top 15 songs maybe even top 10. i'm trying to calculate how many times valium is mentioned on the album.

ive probably listened to this album 50 times since i first got it. i have listened to his previous 2 albums probably 5 times TOTAL. it really blows my mind how a major "mainstream" artist would go out on such a limb and put out an album like this in 2009.

purely concept based; that being of a drug abuser turned psychotic killer; who he invents a new persona, and in turn a new voice at times. with a 1 one producer lineup, with almost no guest spots, no trendy auto tune, no t-pain or akon on the hooks, no typical bling, guns, bitches, ect.

his flow and rhyme pattern on this is out of this world. would eat wayne or anyone else out for breakfest with what hes doing on this. the subject matter fits his concept. a lot about pills, and how hes fucked up, and why hes fucked up. overall people forget rap is entertainment and take the shit to serious sometimes. he makes fun of himself at times on the album (pink alf shirt), and also knows his subject matter is repetitive at times ("i bet your sick of hearing about my mom"). yet it all fits together and is just a great piece of work.

album of the year for me hands down.

[The Notorious LOL]

8 out of 10. This is solid.

[Kid Presentable]

I still haven't heard it. Where is it? He has another one coming out this year.

Edit: It's called 'Relapse 2'

[camo]

Just found a link for it.

It's actually not too bad. Not exactly my cup of tea but not as bad as those singles suggest. They actually work well as a part of something bigger...if you get me?

[Lex Diamonds]

YUGETMEEE

[camo]

YAGEDDITSONNY?

[mickill]

My Darling (http://usershare.net/89sx6710f0wj.htm)

Careful What You Wish For (http://www.zshare.net/audio/60057298858783bf/)

[brmanuk]

album of the year for me hands down.

This.

I can't understand how some people can honestly say this album is shit. Em's rhymes and flow are unreal on this LP. When I heard the album was going to be 'lighthearted' following Proof's death I didn't have much hope, but Em sounds more angry and fucked up then he has done for years. Nice to see the return of Slim Shady. And to be honest, the valium rhymes don't grow boring because he has so much to say on the subject of his addictions.

[Kid Presentable]

I will admit I came around on 3am thanks to the video. I will find it and listen to it.

[Kid Presentable]

That My Mom track was alright. I bet I'll wind up liking this.

[cubsfirstplace]

My Darling (http://usershare.net/89sx6710f0wj.htm)

Careful What You Wish For (http://www.zshare.net/audio/60057298858783bf/)

both good tracks. but i doubt anyone will ever be comparing encore to illmatic

[Kid Presentable]

After listening to the whole thing a few times I don't even notice the accents (ME! The accent basher!). And the woman bashing of We Made You makes a lot more sense in light of the concept. It's actually not too bad - better than The Eminem Show, because at least he's saying something. Drug addiction was really good for dude.

[checkyourprez]

i looooove it. no homo.

the accent really does disappear the more you listen to it.



his delivery is fucking siiiick on this album. the way he makes things rhymes is seriously insane. dude flows is on some other shit on this. like shitting on most everyone ive ever heard. no stan. just being real.


and thats regardless if your really really feeling what hes saying. there is 0 denying his flow on this. just bonkers.

[Kid Presentable]

It is true. For one rapper to do this, after a 5 year spread, and so on. It's pretty not bad aye

[Lex Diamonds]

I stand by what I said- it's a decent album, but dude sounds like he's forcing it the whole way through. This guy isn't what he wants to be anymore and it shows. He's getting old, and his breath control has gotten so terrible nearly every bar has been punched in- not to mention the stupid accent.

Did anybody see him on Jonathan Ross (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9qMwM27ioo)? It was tragic. Kuniva was finishing all his lines for him in the performance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6h8rnFd960) and he just seems so serious and old since he got sober. It's actually quite chilling to see someone who was once so animated and full of wit reduced to a shuddering, blinking drone. (n)

After a fair few listens I would say this album is on the same level as The Eminem Show, although it's high points are lower than TES' it's more consistent overall and the concept album thing actually works. If I was rating I'd give it a 3.5/5.

[camo]

Yeah it was really weird. What is that strange half blink thing he was doing all the time? Like his eyes where trying to escape from his head.

The performance wasn't that bad but he seems to have mellowed out a bit. I was at least expecting something a little tasteless from him but he was quite reserved (apart from mentioning the Sarah Palin thing).

[Kid Presentable]

Seemed pretty much standard for one of his tv performances.

[Lex Diamonds]

No it wasn't, not in the slightest. It was completely different to the old Eminem in terms of his breath control, his movement around the stage (what's with the gay little dance) and his general bewildered demeanour. He just doesn't look like a rapper anymore.

[checkyourprez]

maybe acting like a punk wigger rapper is less appealing as you get older? he is getting into his 30s now. the beasties dont act like they did in the licensed to ill days.


that dude didnt finish to many of ems rhymes. he just talked over him basically.


his breath control and stuff is different because thats just how hes rapping on the song. its a faster rap.

on the two bonus tracks he sounds like he did on the eminem show and encore. which is why i think both songs are eh.

[Lex Diamonds]

maybe acting like a punk wigger rapper is less appealing as you get older? he is getting into his 30s now. the beasties dont act like they did in the licensed to ill days.
Yeah but they still try their hardest to put on a good performance, and they know what they're doing. If he had half the showmanship he did starting out (which the Beastie Boys more than do) he could still put on a good performance. As it is he just looks like a bit of a has-been. The only reason I'm upset about this shit is because I grew up listening to dude and it's hard seeing him washed up like this.

[-T-]

Yeah but they still try their hardest to put on a good performance, and they know what they're doing. If he had half the showmanship he did starting out (which the Beastie Boys more than do) he could still put on a good performance. As it is he just looks like a bit of a has-been. The only reason I'm upset about this shit is because I grew up listening to dude and it's hard seeing him washed up like this.

(y)

[checkyourprez]

Yeah but they still try their hardest to put on a good performance, and they know what they're doing. If he had half the showmanship he did starting out (which the Beastie Boys more than do) he could still put on a good performance. As it is he just looks like a bit of a has-been. The only reason I'm upset about this shit is because I grew up listening to dude and it's hard seeing him washed up like this.

(y)

we just view things differently, cause im not seeing it like that.

[pshabi]

we just view things differently, cause im not seeing it like that.

Nah man, the performance was creepy. It was like he didn't want to make eye contact with the camera/audience. Almost like he was saying, "wow, can't believe I'm doing this shit."

[checkyourprez]

yea not making eye contact and stuff but im not really seeing a big problem with that. there could be some reason for it, who knows.

i just dont care i guess is what im saying.


sall about the music with me, and relapse being significanly better than his last two albums, and up there with his best, makes it fine to me.

[checkyourprez]

i watched the accompanying interview with that performance. he seems just more mature but at the same time uncomfortable with being there. sounds almost like hes holding back a bit. maybe it really has something to do with him being off drugs or like i said earlier maybe its just growing up.

[Kid Presentable]

I'm not seeing any problem. Standard Eminem performance of his shitty "I'm back" single. Proof finished a shitload of his lines too. It's what a hype-man does, isn't it? Breath control? Well that's a cause that you champion, Padster. If a rapper can't get past 6 bars, then it's an issue for me. Performing live isn't easy, even for a pro. Bad night? Shit song? Who knows? Doesn't signify a falling off for me beeecaaaause........

Eminem Show was a pretty bland album, Encore was dogshit. Barring a couple of mis-steps this album is as close to a return to form as I can expect. While there's no 'Way I Am', plenty of it captures his old vibe in a relatively fresh way.

Maybe it's just being overthought.It's not mindblowing, but my expectations were hella low anyway, and I'm pleasantly surprised. I ate the Po-Hate-o Chips too soon. Again.

[cubsfirstplace]

he was joking around a lot on jimmy kimmel live. so no need to worry.

[Kid Presentable]

Really liking the intro into 3am, solid opening. Bagpipes from Baghdad and Medicine Ball are probably my two other favourites, although I'm enjoying Crack a Bottle now as well. The songs work a lot better as an album than on their own.

Smartest thing he did was drop the "I'm a white gangster" shit.

[camo]

The songs work a lot better as an album than on their own..

My thoughts too (y)

It's actually not too bad. Not exactly my cup of tea but not as bad as those singles suggest. They actually work well as a part of something bigger...if you get me?

[Kid Presentable]

My thoughts too.

[Lex Diamonds]

Everything I said in this thread was right and in time you'll realise this. You, on the other hand, changed your stance about 20 times. Nice that you've managed to come around from hating on the album, though.

However much you may try and dismiss it, breath control is a very large part of the skill of being a rapper. It's no good having sick lyrics if you can't even say them out loud. If you go back and watch that performance properly, from about halfway through the first verse Em doesn't manage to finish a single bar without stopping to breathe. This is a stark contrast from the days of Up In Smoke and his epic stage performances.

It's not the be all and end all, just a clear sign that he's losing it in terms of being an emcee.

[checkyourprez]

Everything I said in this thread was right and in time you'll realise this. You, on the other hand, changed your stance about 20 times. Nice that you've managed to come around from hating on the album, though.

However much you may try and dismiss it, breath control is a very large part of the skill of being a rapper. It's no good having sick lyrics if you can't even say them out loud. If you go back and watch that performance properly, from about halfway through the first verse Em doesn't manage to finish a single bar without stopping to breathe. This is a stark contrast from the days of Up In Smoke and his epic stage performances.

It's not the be all and end all, just a clear sign that he's losing it in terms of being an emcee.

hes getting older dog.

look at gza these days, who used to be one of the most formidable mcs on the mic. (not saying breath control is his problem, but still)

the good thing is he can record it 100 times in a studio until he gets it right. as long as the albums are good then who cares.

[Lex Diamonds]

Yeah he's getting old, this is what I'm saying. The point is, this album is like 4 years' worth of hunger and he still doesn't come half as correct as on his first few releases. The next album could very easily be shit... I'm hoping not but only time will tell. Either way he won't be putting on any decent shows this time around, which is a shame cuz I never got to see the real Slim Shady.

[Kid Presentable]

Everything I said in this thread was right and in time you'll realise this. You, on the other hand, changed your stance about 20 times. Nice that you've managed to come around from hating on the album, though.

However much you may try and dismiss it, breath control is a very large part of the skill of being a rapper. It's no good having sick lyrics if you can't even say them out loud. If you go back and watch that performance properly, from about halfway through the first verse Em doesn't manage to finish a single bar without stopping to breathe. This is a stark contrast from the days of Up In Smoke and his epic stage performances.

It's not the be all and end all, just a clear sign that he's losing it in terms of being an emcee.

All you've really said is it sounds forced, and his being old makes you uncomfortable. Yeah of course I changed my stance, and you think you're telling me something I don't know? I have no problem admitting that, and I've hardly heaped glowing praise on it since then.

I don't dismiss breath control, at all. What I do dismiss is people who can't or don't rap, busting out all this qualified scientician talk. Either rate the music for what it is, or shut up and rap. Seriously.

I'd love to hear Spit Shine feat Lyman Zerga - Breath Control (Remix).

[pshabi]

I'd love to hear Spit Shine feat Lyman Zerga - Breath Control (Remix).
Didn't lol, but I cracked a smile.:)

[Lex Diamonds]

There's no qualified scientician talk going down here. It's an obvious observation to me, I just have qualms with the way you speak your opinion as fact. Like just because you don't notice it, breath control isn't worth mentioning.

Whatever, it's been mentioned now so people can agree/disagree as they please. And yeah watch out for that remix drop, should leak on SOHH in the next 12 hours.

[Kid Presentable]

Sick.

Anyway, you have a valid point, it's just not something I pay much mind to I guess. Like if it's obvious and shit, I barely care. This instance and Jay-Z at Glasto are two occasions I recall you mentioning it, and it doesn't seem to have much bearing on the MC themself. Dudes are still revered/reverable etcetera so I just don't give it as much mind as you.

Are you releasing that Between Bristol Cities freestyle?

[Lex Diamonds]

Yeah here's a taste of the lyrics:

I got a hundred ways to make you flip
Nigga I'm from Bristol, Bristooool
I don't give-iddy don't give a shit
Cuz nigga I'm from Bristol, Bristooool
Aint my fault your girl sucked my dick
You shouldn'ta come to Bristol, Bristooool
And you know that I'm spittin sick
Cuz baby I'm from Bristol, Bristoool
And this is how we do...

Obviously you don't get the full effect without hearing my immense breath control but you get the idea.

[Kid Presentable]

I don't like it. But I will in 20 posts. (y)

[Micodin]

Every asshole has an opinion.

Mine is 7 out of 10.

[checkyourprez]

i dont even see how breath control matters if he just basically put out the album of the year. and to be honest one of the most cohesive best formulated albums in years.

[pshabi]

I just have qualms with the way you speak your opinion as fact.

Oh boy.

[mickill]

Luckily his lack of breath control didn't hinder that (http://www.zshare.net/audio/603930274d316f96/) shit he spit for Tim Westwood.

[Lex Diamonds]

Fair play, he flows nice on that. Maybe he just isn't ready for stage performance yet? Either way I still think that Jonathan Ross performance was very weak.

[KevG]

This post is full of bullshit. You people should know that they release the worst songs off an album first.. I didn't like the first 3 songs I heard ("Crack a Bottle", "3AM" and "We Made You")..

But listen to "My Mom", "Bagpipes from Baghdad", "Same Song and Dance", "Medicine Ball", "Beautiful" and a few others.. There is enough GOOD music on there to outweigh the not-so-good music. The worst song on here is still 1000X better than anything the so-called King of Rap Lil Wayne has ever done..

I am not sure about the relationship between Eminem and the Beastie Boys these days, but if they ever collaborated, it would blow the f**k up ridiculously...

[pshabi]

The worst song on here is still 1000X better than anything the so-called King of Rap Lil Wayne has ever done..


Who called him that? Better yet, why does everyone always compare everything to Lil' Wayne? Especially the haters.

You go on any rap link on youtube, by anyone, and you'll find a comment of someone saying something like, "This is the real shit right here. Fuck Lil' Wayne!" I don't get it. Why does every rapper get compared to Lil' Wayne?

[KevG]

Why does every rapper get compared to Lil' Wayne?

Because everyone in the music industry such as MTV, BET, Rolling Stone, SPIN, Vibe, etc are saying that Lil Wayne is the new King of Rap.. I mean, dude was nominated for 8 Grammys.. WHY? To quote KRS-ONE, "that aint Hip Hop".. Anybody on this board can rap better than that dude. He is a mockery to Hip Hop, a joke...

Eminem is the best rapper out there on mainstream radio right now and for the past 10 years.. People can say "what about Jay Z?" etc.. whatever..

Beastie Boys are clearly the best Hip Hop crew EVER. Yes, better than Run DMC. People will argue that but Run DMC fell off after their 3rd album, the Beastie Boys have been going strong for 25 years and no other rapper or rap group has come close to that longevity.

But back to Eminem, it took me 3 or 4 listens to appreciate his new CD. I do skip over tracks but it is worth the $10 to buy..

[Kid Presentable]

Not to turn it into a Beastie General thread, but the Beasties have to fight hard now against the 'releasing mediocre albums later in their career' trap, which arguably (depending on who's arguing) at least one of the last two albums they released have been.

I think what Em has done here is pretty clever. It's got the wit of SSLP, the gore and vitriol of MMLP, the flows of Eminem Show, and the looseness of Encore. I paraphrased that from somewhere, but it's a good point about the album, I think.

That freestyle was farkin bonkers, too. I wonder if Relapse 2 will be the disc with all the guest producers on it.

[pshabi]

Anybody on this board can rap better than that dude. He is a mockery to Hip Hop, a joke...


Look, I'm not a Lil Wayne "fanboy." I've never bought an album and I think I have 2 tracks in my mp3 library of his. But...I don't think you can deny that the guy can write, has a pretty interesting delivery, along with charisma. I don't know if he's the "king" but he's definitely the face of mainstream hip hop right now and has been for a while.

I have a hard time believin' someone on this board is gonna be able to do something better than "A millie." Just sayin'. :p:cool:

[checkyourprez]

Look, I'm not a Lil Wayne "fanboy." I've never bought an album and I think I have 2 tracks in my mp3 library of his. But...I don't think you can deny that the guy can write, has a pretty interesting delivery, along with charisma. I don't know if he's the "king" but he's definitely the face of mainstream hip hop right now and has been for a while.

I have a hard time believin' someone on this board is gonna be able to do something better than "A millie." Just sayin'. :p:cool:

i can.


the guy honestly doesnt write anything. thats why his shit always sounds so freestylish, a lot of punch lines lacking in depth. he really doesnt write anything down.

[adam_f]

Originally posted by KevG
Beastie Boys are clearly the best Hip Hop crew EVER.

Not to turn this into Beastie General but...are you fucking kidding me?

[Kid Presentable]

Not to turn this into Beastie General but...are you fucking kidding me?

I know, right?

[Lex Diamonds]

Beastie Boys are clearly the best Hip Hop crew EVER.That sentence (apart from all the other cretinous nonsense) just made me discredit anything dude said.

Lil Wayne is very skilled, even if he is overrated.

The Beastie Boys are of late, at least by people on this board, also overrated. The Mix Up was just boring, and to me the new B-sides just sound a mess. I almost feel sorry for the people calling those tracks bangers.

As a lifelong fan I'm still holding out hope for the new album... if they can come back with half as much heat as Relapse I'll be satisfied.

[roosta]

why do you feel sorry for them? :confused:

[Miho]

that alchemist freestyle was cool. i hope to hear more of that on relapse 2.

[cj hood]

That sentence (apart from all the other cretinous nonsense) just made me discredit anything dude said.

Lil Wayne is very skilled, even if he is overrated.

The Beastie Boys are of late, at least by people on this board, also overrated. The Mix Up was just boring, and to me the new B-sides just sound a mess. I almost feel sorry for the people calling those tracks bangers.

As a lifelong fan I'm still holding out hope for the new album... if they can come back with half as much heat as Relapse I'll be satisfied.

If you're talking about the beasties role in the game you can't compare them to eminem or lil wayne...cuz those guys are top40 middle school shit....not hiphop.

LM has beats, rhymes, scratching and a shout to the dj....you can't get anymore hiphop than that.

[KevG]

Not to turn it into a Beastie General thread, but the Beasties have to fight hard now against the 'releasing mediocre albums later in their career' trap, which arguably (depending on who's arguing) at least one of the last two albums they released have been.
.[/QUOTE]

I wasn't too big on "To The 5 Burroughs" because they brought it back to let's say 1982.. and I did NOT Like pretty much anything that came out BEFORE Run DMC... and I didn't like the fact that it almost sounds like they weren't even in the same room when they did it. But enough about that, "Hello Nasty" had some of the best Beastie tracks EVER.. No way near a mediocre album and I don't count that other shit (instrumental albums, hits albums, whatever)..

[QUOTE=pshabi;1670045]Look, I'm not a Lil Wayne "fanboy." I've never bought an album and I think I have 2 tracks in my mp3 library of his. But...I don't think you can deny that the guy can write, has a pretty interesting delivery, along with charisma. I don't know if he's the "king" but he's definitely the face of mainstream hip hop right now and has been for a while.

I have a hard time believin' someone on this board is gonna be able to do something better than "A millie." Just sayin'. :p:cool:

I can deny it.. I can't even uinderstand half the shit he says because he sounds like his is making fun of a retarded kid through auto-tune.. His delivery SUCKS.. charisma? what the hell are you talking about? Him being the face of Hip Hop tells the world that Hip Hop SUCKS in 2009.. The words you just wrote would sound better than "A Millie" if you rapped them. He is HORRIBLE.

Not to turn this into Beastie General but...are you fucking kidding me?

I don't understand this comment, are you denying that the Beastie Boys are the best Hip Hop crew out there? Ok.. who is better?

That sentence (apart from all the other cretinous nonsense) just made me discredit anything dude said.

Lil Wayne is very skilled, even if he is overrated.

The Beastie Boys are of late, at least by people on this board, also overrated. The Mix Up was just boring, and to me the new B-sides just sound a mess. I almost feel sorry for the people calling those tracks bangers.

As a lifelong fan I'm still holding out hope for the new album... if they can come back with half as much heat as Relapse I'll be satisfied.

I can't believe a fan of the Beastie Boys would give Lil Wayne ANY credit for anything.. and how are the Beastie Boys overrated? and who fucking cares about "The Mix Up", I am talking about Hip Hop here..

The new "b-sides" which aren't even b-sides aren't bad. First off, one is an a cappella so do you even count that? And the other one is a hardcore music track with a Hip Hop flow over it that is much better than anything they play on the radio as far as Hip Hop goes.. Hip Hop isn't even Hip Hop, all these dudes like ya boy Lil Wayne are spittin' non-sense over 808 beats.. didn't people do that in 1985? Oh wait, they could rap back then..

I'm not worried about a the Beastie Boys 'coming back' with something half as hot as "Relapse" as long as they go the same route they were going with "Hello Nasty", especially the first two tracks..

[Odie]

Beastie Boys are clearly the best Hip Hop crew EVER.

That sentence (apart from all the other cretinous nonsense) just made me discredit anything dude said.


Fan praises group on group's own website in shocker!

[checkyourprez]

Not to turn it into a Beastie General thread, but the Beasties have to fight hard now against the 'releasing mediocre albums later in their career' trap, which arguably (depending on who's arguing) at least one of the last two albums they released have been.
.

I wasn't too big on "To The 5 Burroughs" because they brought it back to let's say 1982.. and I did NOT Like pretty much anything that came out BEFORE Run DMC... and I didn't like the fact that it almost sounds like they weren't even in the same room when they did it. But enough about that, "Hello Nasty" had some of the best Beastie tracks EVER.. No way near a mediocre album and I don't count that other shit (instrumental albums, hits albums, whatever)..



I can deny it.. I can't even uinderstand half the shit he says because he sounds like his is making fun of a retarded kid through auto-tune.. His delivery SUCKS.. charisma? what the hell are you talking about? Him being the face of Hip Hop tells the world that Hip Hop SUCKS in 2009.. The words you just wrote would sound better than "A Millie" if you rapped them. He is HORRIBLE.



I don't understand this comment, are you denying that the Beastie Boys are the best Hip Hop crew out there? Ok.. who is better?



I can't believe a fan of the Beastie Boys would give Lil Wayne ANY credit for anything.. and how are the Beastie Boys overrated? and who fucking cares about "The Mix Up", I am talking about Hip Hop here..

The new "b-sides" which aren't even b-sides aren't bad. First off, one is an a cappella so do you even count that? And the other one is a hardcore music track with a Hip Hop flow over it that is much better than anything they play on the radio as far as Hip Hop goes.. Hip Hop isn't even Hip Hop, all these dudes like ya boy Lil Wayne are spittin' non-sense over 808 beats.. didn't people do that in 1985? Oh wait, they could rap back then..

I'm not worried about a the Beastie Boys 'coming back' with something half as hot as "Relapse" as long as they go the same route they were going with "Hello Nasty", especially the first two tracks..

anyone saying lil wayne is horrible doesnt know hip hop. hes not the savior, nor is he the messiah, the truth, or the best rapper ever.

but hes sure as hell not horrible.

hes got some good shit that is for sure.

[pshabi]

#1) How can a beastie boys fan knock a rapper for "rapping about nothing?"

#2) I have absolutely no problem saying the bboys are the best hip hop crew ever.

Those disputing it should say who they think is better. No crew has even come close to having this longevity and if they put out anything that is "classic" on the new joint then it's written in stone, imo.

[Kid Presentable]

Beastie Boys live in their own stylistic pocket, they do things other groups couldn't get away with. That doesn't necessarily make them the best.

In terms of influence and scope, I'd say the Native Tongues would remain the 'best' crew in hip-hop. Aside from the obvious members, JBs and Black Sheep were fucking sick, too. Even if the 'crew' aren't quite as 'around' as they once were, you still get their influence across artists like Mos & Kweli, even Common. Even new douchecocks that would get falmed by superzenki, like Lupe Fiasco, are influenced by them (doubtful that this is a good thing to most, but at least it shows new artists are still imprinted on by them). Beastie Boys have done nothing but show them love through collaborations, and the Boys don't collaborate half as much as they could.

Then of course, saying the Beastie Boys are the best would be a personal opinion, and my own personal opinion if not leaning towards Native Tongue would go to Wu-Tang or DITC. Wu is crazy patchy, but that shit is still a movement, irrespective. DITC I just like a lot.

[checkyourprez]

the past bunch of posts is a separate thread altogether.

get back to talking about one of the most unique well put together albums in years, lots of years.

[KevG]

Fan praises group on group's own website in shocker!

What is your point? I'd say that anywhere.. who holds a candle to them? I'm waiting for an answer..


[QUOTE=KevG;1670138]

anyone saying lil wayne is horrible doesnt know hip hop. hes not the savior, nor is he the messiah, the truth, or the best rapper ever.

but hes sure as hell not horrible.

hes got some good shit that is for sure.

This is the most retarded thing I've ever read.. I bet you were a huge Ma$e fan too.. I've been a Hip Hop fan since 1983. I have EVERY hip hop album that came out in the 80's.. but I think Lil Wayne SUCKS so I don't know Hip Hop?.. Hip Hop has been declining for 20 years and half y'al thinkl Lil Wayne is the shit.. fuckouttahere..


Beastie Boys live in their own stylistic pocket, they do things other groups couldn't get away with. That doesn't necessarily make them the best.

In terms of influence and scope, I'd say the Native Tongues would remain the 'best' crew in hip-hop. Aside from the obvious members, JBs and Black Sheep were fucking sick, too. Even if the 'crew' aren't quite as 'around' as they once were, you still get their influence across artists like Mos & Kweli, even Common. Even new douchecocks that would get falmed by superzenki, like Lupe Fiasco, are influenced by them (doubtful that this is a good thing to most, but at least it shows new artists are still imprinted on by them). Beastie Boys have done nothing but show them love through collaborations, and the Boys don't collaborate half as much as they could.

Then of course, saying the Beastie Boys are the best would be a personal opinion, and my own personal opinion if not leaning towards Native Tongue would go to Wu-Tang or DITC. Wu is crazy patchy, but that shit is still a movement, irrespective. DITC I just like a lot.

Well first off, I DO agree that that whole Native Tonge scene is great, they are not ONE crew, they are a group of crews making up a scene. If you argued that ATCQ were the best, I'd disagree.. If you said De La Soul was the best, again, I'd disagree.. simply because both fell off after 3 or 4 albums and went for the radio friendly garbage. But the Beastie Boys are 3.. like Run DMC who you can argue as the best, but again, after a few albums, Run DMC fell off to and resorted to putting out a final album loaded with guests... The Beastie Boys rarely use guests, because they don't have to.. these other artists do that so much simply because they can't sell an album on their own.

WuTang.. a great crew.. but they have just as much shit then they do ill jams.. DITC, is a scene made up of several artists that came together. Still, I don't see anyone comparing to the bBoys.

And to rewind a little bit, 'in terms of influence and scope, the Beastie Boys are one of the most influencial crews in music. period. How many white dudes did you know that listened to Hip Hop pre-LTI? If what Russel Simmons said (when he said white people make up 80% of Hip Hop CD sales), if it wasn't for the arrival of the Beastie Boys back in 1985, 75% of that same fan base would still be going to Quiet Riot reunion shows at the local dive bar.

[checkyourprez]

What is your point? I'd say that anywhere.. who holds a candle to them? I'm waiting for an answer..


[QUOTE=checkyourprez;1670144]

This is the most retarded thing I've ever read.. I bet you were a huge Ma$e fan too.. I've been a Hip Hop fan since 1983. I have EVERY hip hop album that came out in the 80's.. but I think Lil Wayne SUCKS so I don't know Hip Hop?.. Hip Hop has been declining for 20 years and half y'al thinkl Lil Wayne is the shit.. fuckouttahere..




Well first off, I DO agree that that whole Native Tonge scene is great, they are not ONE crew, they are a group of crews making up a scene. If you argued that ATCQ were the best, I'd disagree.. If you said De La Soul was the best, again, I'd disagree.. simply because both fell off after 3 or 4 albums and went for the radio friendly garbage. But the Beastie Boys are 3.. like Run DMC who you can argue as the best, but again, after a few albums, Run DMC fell off to and resorted to putting out a final album loaded with guests... The Beastie Boys rarely use guests, because they don't have to.. these other artists do that so much simply because they can't sell an album on their own.

WuTang.. a great crew.. but they have just as much shit then they do ill jams.. DITC, is a scene made up of several artists that came together. Still, I don't see anyone comparing to the bBoys.

And to rewind a little bit, 'in terms of influence and scope, the Beastie Boys are one of the most influencial crews in music. period. How many white dudes did you know that listened to Hip Hop pre-LTI? If what Russel Simmons said (when he said white people make up 80% of Hip Hop CD sales), if it wasn't for the arrival of the Beastie Boys back in 1985, 75% of that same fan base would still be going to Quiet Riot reunion shows at the local dive bar.

since 83 huh, that makes you real sweet with it.

lil wayne is better then plenty of 80s rappers. and 90s. and a looooooots of 00s rappers.

what makes you not know hip hop is the fact that you cant recognize a guy has some skills for whatever gay reason because "some people" call him the greatest rapper alive and whatever else gay shit they say about him.

you may not like him, thats cool. but saying he is horrible? nothing other than you lacking basic hip hop knowledge you old head you.

[Videodrome]

lil wayne is not horrible but he has a long way to go against the test of time. plenty of 80/90/00 rappers roast him over the long haul. before the carter albums, wayne wasn't even close to a household name. at the same time he was on bg's "bling, bling" which was hot at the time and set off an era. he is good don't get me wrong, but he will fade out like black rob, dmx, ja, and many more.

[Kid Presentable]

Well first off, I DO agree that that whole Native Tonge scene is great, they are not ONE crew, they are a group of crews making up a scene. If you argued that ATCQ were the best, I'd disagree.. If you said De La Soul was the best, again, I'd disagree.. simply because both fell off after 3 or 4 albums and went for the radio friendly garbage. But the Beastie Boys are 3.. like Run DMC who you can argue as the best, but again, after a few albums, Run DMC fell off to and resorted to putting out a final album loaded with guests... The Beastie Boys rarely use guests, because they don't have to.. these other artists do that so much simply because they can't sell an album on their own.


De La fell back on if anything. And if Native Tongue isn't a crew, then neither is Beastie Boys becuase they are a trio. Although I don't see a rule, so yeah, Native Tongue is a crew.

I don't know how you don't think the Beasties kind of fell off, either. Lee Majors is a real good sign, but they're not really trying to be a hip-hop crew with that one. Again, in their own pocket of music.

[Micodin]

This is all a little silly.

Who is the G.O.A.T. debates can never be taken seriously because it's a matter of taste and what you're into at the time and point.

In one point in my life I would say EPMD and the Hit Squad was the greatest.

For me it has always ping-ponged back and forth from other crews in their heyday.

Wu-Tang Clan
N.W.A. & Ruthless Records
Death Row Records
The Juice Crew
& probably many more if I put time into thinking about it.

Opinions are like assholes...

What does this have to do with "Relapse"?

[checkyourprez]

This is all a little silly.

Who is the G.O.A.T. debates can never be taken seriously because it's a matter of taste and what you're into at the time and point.

In one point in my life I would say EPMD and the Hit Squad was the greatest.

For me it has always ping-ponged back and forth from other crews in their heyday.

Wu-Tang Clan
N.W.A. & Ruthless Records
Death Row Records
The Juice Crew
& probably many more if I put time into thinking about it.

Opinions are like assholes...

What does this have to do with "Relapse"?

for serious.

[Lex Diamonds]

Say what you like about Wayne but I believe he will stand the test of time. He's already falling/fallen off but he has put out so much material there's bound to be enough good shit to comfortably fill a 2-disc 'best of' without filler by the time he hangs up the mic. For a while dude was crazy prolific and has been skilled for nearly 15 years. Just because he sold out recently to get the money & fame doesn't mean he can't/didn't make real shit. Haters, listen to some Hot Boys or Carter II and tell me there's no hip-hop there.

I don't know why I'm defending him, I don't even like the guy that much. It just annoys me when people hate based on misconceptions (ie Wayne's recent public image which he created to get dough).

And I love/always have loved the Beastie Boys, hence me coming to this board religiously every day since I was like 13, however the more I've learned about hip-hop the less relevant they have become to me. They are still undoubtedly pioneers and a truly great group, not just for their raps but for the unique bouillabaise of styles they've mastered over the years. Despite that, in terms of hip-hop crews they don't even make the top 10- and before you all jump out of your seats with sand in your vaginas this doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't one of the top 10 bands ever (whatever these 'top 10' things that people are throwing about actually mean). I don't want to sound patronising but I think a lot of the people claiming them as the best rap crew ever just don't know their shit, simple as that.

Anyway all this is getting off topic, so back to the point. Eminem has put out a decent album, against all odds, but let's not get it twisted. Go back and listen to his first 3 releases (inc Infinite) and even parts of The Eminem Show and you will see that he is still not touching the old Shady. Marshall was actually a genius at one point. It's a good comeback album nonetheless, but let's not start sucking his dick just yet. I'm eager for Relapse 2 though, I have a feeling that will be the album he wanted to release and will be more telling in terms of the future of Eminem.

[KevG]

I'm gonna do the quoting thing differently because it is getting messy..

"lil wayne is better then plenty of 80s rappers. and 90s. and a looooooots of 00s rappers."

Lil Wayne isn't a good rapper. Period. He is better than nobody.

"what makes you not know hip hop is the fact that you cant recognize a guy has some skills for whatever gay reason because "some people" call him the greatest rapper alive and whatever else gay shit they say about him."

He does not have skill at all. He is horrible. The industry is on his nuts. There has been plenty of rappers before him that sounded just like him that got nowhere (and for a good reason). So why all of a sudden is everyone on his nuts?

"you may not like him, thats cool. but saying he is horrible? nothing other than you lacking basic hip hop knowledge you old head you."

Lacking basic Hip Hop knowledge? Haha! OK! Whatever you say.. I gave up on Hip Hop long ago and my listening now is very limited... because of people like Lil Wayne and all those asses on the radio. Remember when P Diddy ruled the world? Ha! Why?

"De La fell back on if anything. And if Native Tongue isn't a crew, then neither is Beastie Boys becuase they are a trio. Although I don't see a rule, so yeah, Native Tongue is a crew."

Beasties are a recording group.
Native Tounges is NOT. They are a bunch of groups put together.

That is what I am saying.. NOBODY individually as a GROUP or trio or duo or whatever can hold a candle to the Beasties.. and yeah, I am saying here. Why wouldn't I? This is the BBoys site, most of us agree on this..

"I don't know how you don't think the Beasties kind of fell off, either. Lee Majors is a real good sign, but they're not really trying to be a hip-hop crew with that one. Again, in their own pocket of music."

I don't think they fell off BUT because that last CD (TT5B) was a throwback to a time that I didn't likle Hip Hop (pre-83).. I didn't enjoy it even a fraction as much as I did "Hello Nasty"... but they meant to do that so it's all good.

Don't judge the new stuff by some single that only 2000 people have... As rough as it sounds being hardcore + hip hop mixed, it is still better than a ton of shit out there now..

"This is all a little silly. Who is the G.O.A.T. debates can never be taken seriously because it's a matter of taste and what you're into at the time and point."

I don't know who the GOAT may be at this time, but if it is Lil Wayne, than Hip Hop SUCKS completely right now.. That would mean that he is better than everything out there and that is obsurdly retarded.

"In one point in my life I would say EPMD and the Hit Squad was the greatest."

EPMD WERE one of the greatest at one time I'd agree with... I don't think Hit Squad had enough out to be up there..

"For me it has always ping-ponged back and forth from other crews in their heyday. Wu-Tang Clan N.W.A. & Ruthless Records Death Row Records The Juice Crew & probably many more if I put time into thinking about it."

If I had to pick one of those, I'd say The Juice Crew was the best...

"Say what you...."

His image has nothing to do with my dislike of him. Shit, I like his tattoos.. but dude sucks.. People LOVE this dude and HATE ICP.. THEY have more talent than him by a long shot... why aren't people on their nuts? well, are they even around anymore.. whatever though.. I don't even care...

"in terms of hip-hop crews they don't even make the top 10" / "this doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't one of the top 10 bands ever"

How does that make sense?

"I think a lot of the people claiming them as the best rap crew ever just don't know their shit, simple as that."

Well.. I still haven't been told of a GROUP that is fresher than them. Rhymes, beats, longevity, staying TRUE to REAL Hip Hop.. Tell me of a crew who has been around and reinvented themselves without selling out, who can put out a CD without guests helping them sell... etc..

..

[KevG]

OH! And about Eminem.. I didn't get into it until like the 5th listen. I don't see it as being much different than his previous albums with the exception of his flow.. but he rhymes about the same things as he always does, just like most rap artists do. Not too many songs for the radio though which I think is good, the hell with radio..

[Lex Diamonds]

"in terms of hip-hop crews they don't even make the top 10" / "this doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't one of the top 10 bands ever"

How does that make sense?
Hip-hop is only a small part of what the Beastie Boys do. While as a whole package they are an awesome band, if you just took their pure hip-hop tracks they could be beat by a fair few artists out there.

[KevG]

Hip-hop is only a small part of what the Beastie Boys do. While as a whole package they are an awesome band, if you just took their pure hip-hop tracks they could be beat by a fair few artists out there.


ok.. name some.. i'm only talking about there hip hop since I am comparing them to the other artists mentioned here..

[Odie]

I think he's saying (correct me if wrong) when you look at it from a hip hop album for album perspective, they've only got their first two seen as being importent to hip hop, many acts have had more than this, PE for one. not that I dont think all their albums aren't hip hop, but can you say Ill Com or any after Paul's was the best hip hop album out from that period, I wouldn't say so. Was CYH or the others some of the best music albums out then, their up there IMO. It's weird even though I'd still consider them hip hop albums and great ones at that, their more arguably the best group still going and have made some great ablums but that dosn't mean by default their the best hip hop albums going.

They make consistently good albums but have more going on than hip hop, so take comfort in them being bigger than the genre they helped along the way. Still do agree they are up their though, as a band and a hip hop band. Turned alot of folks on to it, many of you guys.

sorry, this is stupid. yeah, Eeminimems pwnts!!1

[KevG]

Take away the instrumentals and hardcore tracks from "Check Your Head", "Ill Communications" and "Hello Nasty" and you have 3 classic hip hop albums... Some of the best in 1990's Hip Hop albums..

Their filler tracks are better than most people's HITS...

As far as talent goes, the Beastie Boys have released Hip Hop albums, hardcore albums, jazz influenced instrumental albums, a country album.. Name another group of rap artists with that much under their belt?

And for shits and giggles, not that sales mean ANYTHING, check this out..

Hip Hop artists who have sold over 10 million CDs in the US

1. *2 Pac (37m)
2. Eminem (27m)
3. Jay Z (26m)
4. *Outkast (22m) / 4. *Beastie Boys (22m)
6. Kid Rock (21m) / Nelly (21m)
8. *Notorious BIG (17m)
9. Hammer (16m)
10. DMX (14m)
11. LL Cool J (12.5m) / *Bone, Thugs & Harmony (12.5m)
13. Ludacris (12m) / Will Smith (12m)
15. 50 Cent (11m)

* denotes put out a double-cd meaning that it counts as 2 million sold
if you sell just one million because there is two discs..

MOST of these artists rely on other artists collaborations all over there
albums to push units, the Beastie Boys have had like 5 guests in 25 years. Just wanted to mention that..

[checkyourprez]

make another thread if you want to talk about this shit man.



this thread is for the glory named relapse.

[mickill]

This is only an estimate - since there's clearly no verifiable way to calculate how much KevG really does know about hip hop based simply on what's been shared throughout his posts in this thread alone - but I'm going to go ahead and throw out a nice round ZERO. For the record, I like the Beastie Boys. At times, I've even thought of them as my favorite group, in any genre of music. But I honestly can't say I've agreed with even one thing you've stated in any of your posts. You actually sound partially insane. By your own admission, you don't even really listen to rap anymore anyway. The contents of your posts, however, are more characteristic of a person who, apart from what's in the Beastie Boys' catalog, may never have even heard music before at all. You clearly enjoy the Beastie Boys much more than the average listener does, and hold them in infinitely higher regard than just about anything else that has ever existed in this entire world. We get it. Congratulations. You've made your point. Judging by some of your comments, one might conclude that you also believe that they are capable of walking on water and probably had something to do with the construction of the pyramids. You're free to just keep repeating the same two points over and over, of course. But maybe, between breaths, while taking a break from eternally tossing the "best crew ever's" collective salads, you could actually begin to accept that some people don't feel the same way. I can't believe other people have attempted to respond to your inane ramblings with things like logic and tolerance for your ignorant viewpoints. I'd seriously hate to live in your world, dude. You probably see everything in blood red and sweat a lot when you type. In all seriousness though, I think you need to venture out of your comfort zone a little with the music.

[Micodin]

not that sales mean ANYTHING

You're right... they don't!

Because, if they did... Brittany Spears and NKOTB would have shit on lock!

Why don't you get off this bullshit and start a new thread?

This has nothing to do with with Eminem's "Relapse"!

7 out of 10 for me, by the way...

[Lo_Lyfe]

apparently he has two albums recorded and the next one is out later this year....

EDIT: apparently it's called 'Relapse 2"

[Lex Diamonds]

I have EVERY hip hop album that came out in the 80's.
One thing we can draw from this post is that homeboy lives in an aircraft hangar.

I mean wow Kev, you're such an originator. I wish I was as old and bigoted as you. :(

[Micodin]

I have EVERY hip hop album that came out in the 80's

Yeah, I call bullshit on that. I'm not even sure Jazzy Jay has every Hip Hop album from the 80's and I'd bet the house he has more records than you!

Let's end this ridiculous debate here.

Lil' Wayne is a no talent Knob End. Seriously. He sucks. He can take his record sales, his auto-tune, syrup, and shove them up his ass. I'm not impressed. I wasn't impressed with MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice back in the day and look at their album sales. But, just like Lil' Wayne it was little teenage boys and girls buying those records as well. History repeats it's self. All my friends are Hip-Hop Heads and if they were caught with one of dudes records they'd be shamed and made fun of. They would also claim it was their sisters or girlfriends.

The Relapse record is pretty damn good. (Wasn't what this thread is about?) It gets better after every listen. It grows on you. 7 out of 10.

There is no G.O.A.T. Crew. It's all up to the listener. If you go by record sales alone then your a douche. Case in point.

Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) just made Platinum.

Black Eye Peas "Elephunk" went 2x Platinum in the USA, 7x Platinum in Canada, 4x Platinum in UK, 4 x Platinum in Australia, etc...

You tell me which group had the better record.

Someone please end this thread. The Herbs on here have shit twisted.

[Knuckles]

Black Eye Peas "Elephunk" went 2x Platinum in the USA, 7x Platinum in Canada, 4x Platinum in UK, 4 x Platinum in Australia, etc...



Jesus! Does that mean every other Canadian has a copy? :(

[KevG]

"One thing we can draw from this post is that homeboy lives in an aircraft hangar. I mean wow Kev, you're such an originator. I wish I was as old and bigoted as you."

All because I said the Beasties were the best crew and Lil Wayne sucks, I'm bigoted? Explain..

"I'm not even sure Jazzy Jay has every Hip Hop album from the 80's and I'd bet the house he has more records than you!"

OK maybe not EVERY but a lot more than any of you who say I don't know Hip Hop.. Looking through the collection now, taking away the albums that came out after 1989.. Here ya go..

Complete discographies by:
2 Live Crew, 3rd Bass, Beasties (duh), Big Daddy Kane, Biz Markie, Bobby Jimmy & the Critters, Boogie Boys, BDP, Chubb Rock, De La Soul, DJ Jazzy Jeff & Fresh Prince, DJ Red ALert, Doug E Fresh..., Edo G (fka Edo Rock & FTI Crew), EPMD, Eric B & Rakim, Fat Boys, Gang Starr (+Gang Starr Posse 12"'s), Heavy D & the Boyz, Hostyle, Ice T, Jungle Brothers, Just Ice, JVC Force, Kool G Rap & DJ Polo, Kool Moe Dee, LL Cool J, Mantronix, Marley Marl, MC Shan, MC Shy D, Mr Magic's Rap Attacks volumes 1-5, NWA (DJ Yella, Dr Dre, Eazy E, Fila Fresh Crew, Ice Cube, MC Ren, The D.O.C. and both NWA & the Posse LPs), Public Enemy, Run DMC, Salt N Pepa, Schoolly D, Skinny Boys, Steady B, Stetsasonic, T La Rock, Whodini...

Partial discographies by:
Audio Two, Cash Money & DJ Marvelous, Dana Dane, K-9 Posse, MC Lyte, Queen Latifah, Slick Rick, Superlover Cee & Cassanova Rud, Sweet Tee & Ultramagnetic MCs.. Afrika Bambaataa & Soul Sonic Force, Asher D & Daddy Freddy, Chill Rob G, Coldcut & Steinski, Cool C, Derek B, Finess & Sinquis, Joeski Love, Kid N Play, King Tee, Krushin' MCs, Lakim Shabazz, Nice & Smooth, Original Concept, Original Jazzy Jay, Raheem, Roxanne Shante, Spoonie Gee, the 7A3, The Alliance, True Mathematics, Twin Hype & Whistle.. (and I know I am missing some here but this is what is currently in this room)

Soundtracks for:
Beat Street 1 & 2, Breakin' 1 & 2, Hrush Groove, Wild Style and Colors..

Various Artists - Street Sounds Volumes 1-22..

Various Artists - Boston Goes Def, Def Row (BGD2), Christmas Rap 1 & 2, First Priority's Basement Flavor, Hip Hop Roots, Live Connection 77-79. Miami Bass Express, The Bass That Ate Miami, The House That Rap Built, The Miami Bass Wars 1 & 2 (<---part two from 1991), Uptown's Kickin' It..

Oddly, I do NOT own anything by Too Short..

So.. I guess I am sure Jazzy Jay has all of those, I know Biz Markie does..

As far as record sales, I said not that it mattered. but my point was, everyone else on that list relies on guests to sell records, the Beastie Boys don't.. The Beastie Boys tour & play major arenas after the release of every album and they sell out every show... MOST of those other artists on that list dont tour, they occasionally play Monster Jams and those stupid things and half the time, they don't even show up.. proving MORE that the Beastie Boys are also professionals who take their craft very serious..

The Wu Tang album is 100X better than the Black Eyed Peas album.. agreed..

So again, all because I said the Beasties were the best crew and Lil Wayne sucks, I'm bigoted? and I don't know Hip Hop?

The reason I don't listen to much Hip Hop anymore (or for the past 15 or so years for that matter) is because maybe 5% of what mainstream radio plays is decent, the rest is crap and their are way too many good rock bands out these days.. As far as radio hip hop goes, just about everyone sounds the same (auto-tune, 808 drums, no scratching, no hip hop, lame)..

AND.. AGAIN.. Eminem puts out an album and gives Hip Hop yet another lift from falling into obscurity (note: this does not go for underground hip hop which still kills anything on mainstream radio)..

[Jazz Martian]

'Relapse' is absolutely brilliant. The best hip-hop album to drop in many years, and is up there with his best. The hopes for this record were almost impossible to live up to, and Em somehow pulled it off.

[KevG]

'Relapse' is absolutely brilliant. The best hip-hop album to drop in many years, and is up there with his best. The hopes for this record were almost impossible to live up to, and Em somehow pulled it off.


The more I listen to it, the more I kinda agree...

[Jazz Martian]

The more I listen to it, the more I kinda agree...

Yeah it took me a good number of spins for me to get to this point. I know it's not an opinion that most seem to have about it. I think it's kind of an album where you "get it", or you don't. It's not like his first 3 major label LPs, in how they "hit" most people right away. I think it may be more highly regarded in time.

Btw, I thought those first 4 tracks, after the intro, on 'Relapse' were bangin' when I first heard it. He's was lyrically all over those beats. And 'Bagpipes From Baghdad', especially, is a heater.

[checkyourprez]

Yeah it took me a good number of spins for me to get to this point. I know it's not an opinion that most seem to have about it. I think it's kind of an album where you "get it", or you don't. It's not like his first 3 major label LPs, in how they "hit" most people right away. I think it may be more highly regarded in time.

Btw, I thought those first 4 tracks, after the intro, on 'Relapse' were bangin' when I first heard it. He's was lyrically all over those beats. And 'Bagpipes From Baghdad', especially, is a heater.


I dl'ed this shit. eventually bought it because it deserved my money. but after the first listen i almost didnt believe how good it really was. i just said to myself this shit is really good. i almost compelled myself to keep listening to it to prove it wasnt some bullshit like eminem show or encore. and the more i listened the more the initial listen was confirmed. this album was good, real good. the only possible hate on this album is the accent, and that even melts away into the concept of a great album if you listen to it in whole. this truley is one of the best rap albums in years.

[pshabi]

Maybe that's my problem. No matter what I do, I can't get past the accents. That Baghdad shit is too lame. The beat is fire, but the content is sooooo fucking lame and the accent is unforgiveable.

[cmute_rhyme]

apparently he has two albums recorded and the next one is out later this year....

EDIT: apparently it's called 'Relapse 2"

[checkyourprez]

Maybe that's my problem. No matter what I do, I can't get past the accents. That Baghdad shit is too lame. The beat is fire, but the content is sooooo fucking lame and the accent is unforgiveable.

baghdad is an awsome song.

[checkyourprez]

apparently he has two albums recorded and the next one is out later this year....

EDIT: apparently it's called 'Relapse 2"

is this a running joke?

[pshabi]

2 skinee j's!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kid Presentable]

Maybe that's my problem. No matter what I do, I can't get past the accents. That Baghdad shit is too lame. The beat is fire, but the content is sooooo fucking lame and the accent is unforgiveable.

Just think about what you get out of mainstream hip-hop most of the time, and keep that in mind when you listen to the whole album.

It's gonna sidle in alongside Mastodon for my album of the year mini list of bullshit.

I don't think many girls will like it, but then my wife bumps it in her whip and loves it. I think Kim Kardashian gets it, too. Like it's almost flattery to be assaulted et al in Slim Shady lyrics. Not that there's anything right with that.

[Jazz Martian]

I think Kim Kardashian gets it, too. Like it's almost flattery to be assaulted et al in Slim Shady lyrics. Not that there's anything right with that.

Haha, I thought the exact same thing about it. Also Sarah Palin.

My wife had asked me what I thought Sarah Palin's reaction was going to be to it, and the 'Nalin' Palin' porno. I told her something along the lines, that I thought she would be flattered.. Though of course she wouldn't admit it.

[Kid Presentable]

Stay Wide Awake does take it a bit too far, and that fact alone probably puts it up there in terms of Slim Shady material. Like, top 19.

[The Notorious LOL]

There has not been a better rap album released this year...and possibly last year as well.

[yeahwho]

I haven't even hear a track of this yet, not out of ambivalence, my plate has been full and really have had no faith in music this year yet.

I'm going buy it today. Due to The Notorious LOL comment.

[checkyourprez]

I haven't even hear a track of this yet, not out of ambivalence, my plate has been full and really have had no faith in music this year yet.

I'm going buy it today. Due to The Notorious LOL comment.

make sure to thank him after you do it.

[Odie]

Prolapse more like.

[b i o n i c]

im not reading this whole thread but whomever said crack a bottle doesnt have a cold as fuck beat is high. that is all.

[Tzar]

finally got around to listening to this. got it in the car at the moment. half way through my second listen. i'm liking it.

[yeahwho]

There has not been a better rap album released this year...and possibly last year as well.

I haven't even hear a track of this yet, not out of ambivalence, my plate has been full and really have had no faith in music this year yet.

I'm going buy it today. Due to The Notorious LOL comment.


This is the real deal, (y) just went through 1/2 dozen listens full blast on a road trip to the Canadian border and back.

Great Website (http://www.therelapse.com/?utm_source=youtube.com&utm_campaign=umgchannel#/?room=entrance) Too.

[The Notorious LOL]

its even better if you get the deluxe version with the bonus tracks. It still has excellent replay value. I think this is one of his best for real.

[sab0tage]

I just bought Relapse after reading this thread and I'm listening to it now. IMO it starts off well with the skit but I'm not sure about 3am yet. I'm keeping an open mind and although I'll inevitably compare it to his other albums I want to try and judge it on it's own merits and not try to make comparisons.

I don't think many artists, once they've been in the mainstream, go back to the underground (or whatever you want to call it) through choice, and it must be pretty tough trying to keep the mainstream happy whilst still appealing to fans of the earlier stuff. There's always going to be a few commercial singles.

I'm just hoping for a reasonable balance. Reading this thread, I don't think I'll be disappointed.

[The Notorious LOL]

I dont like 3 AM. The album starts stronger with My Mom.

really the only songs I dont like are that, Bagpipes from Baghdad, and Hello. Even those songs I enjoy, but they are the weaker tracks on the album to me.

[mickill]

His response to Nick Cannon and Mariah:

The Warning (http://usershare.net/qqtjbhi075c7)

I have mixed feelings about this whole thing.

[Kid Presentable]

This diss is so tight, he could be going at a chicken or a goat and it would still be a blast. I thought the whole going at a chick thing was kinda lame, but then I heard the track and yeah it's sick.

rofl @ killin my career you better get one

[checkyourprez]

that song is fucking SICK.

[hpdrifter]

But... he's in a diss war with... Mariah Carey. There are no winners here.

[mickill]

That's what I mean. Mariah and Nickelodeon Cannon...this is not a good look for him.

At least Officer Ricky Ross is kind of like a rapper.

[hpdrifter]

The rhymes on the track are pretty tight, though. Better than a lot of the stuff on Relapse. Hard to say, I guess I still think the whole situation just ends up reflecting poorly on him even if the track is good.

[checkyourprez]

dude seriously some of you guys needs to wake up and smell the beaners.


who cares if hes disses those two clowns.


his first single ever (baring infinite stuff) was a joke song. a lot of the last album, and most of the ones inbetween have just been clowning on stuff.

he raps for fun. why take the shit so serious? just enjoy the fact that how hes rapping and how hes saying the things are insane.


do you clown on the beastie boys for rapping about yoohoo and brass monkeys and shit?

[roosta]

what's this song about? why is he dissing them?

it's a good song however, beat is great and his flow is perfect.

but i have no idea what he's talking about.

[RobMoney$]

Lindsey Lohan, Jessica Simpson, Moby, and now Mariah Carey?

I hear he's going after Dakota Fanning next.


Wanna impress me, Em?
Say some shit about Jigga.

I dare you.

[Kid Presentable]

Except they're friends, Robert. Well-wishers and contemporaries at the very least.

He's got at every rapper that's gone after him. Except maaaaybe Ja Rule. He would still go in on anyone who says something about him, and he would sound equally as butt hurt as he does here, and he would make it equally as loopy.

But I don't care. If you can make something so miniscule and ridiculous as a beef with a pop star sound so on point, I can dig it:

No Accent
Witty
Sick Flow
Beat is fire


I want to be embarassed for him, but it's hard when he once again makes it an entertaining car crash (see the Everlast, Fred Durst and Canibus disses). Dude quite simply, does not, give a fuck.

[Tzar]

i ain't embarassed for him - this is fuckin' hilarious.

[RobMoney$]

Except they're friends, Robert. Well-wishers and contemporaries at the very least.


True.

I was just thinking "I wish he'd go after a big-timer for once, someone who has the ability to return fire"
...and NAS and Jay were the first names that came to mind.


The flow is sick tho, I'll give him that.
I bet Nick Cannon is a mess.

When me and Luis were tryin’ to stick two CD’s in the same slot
(Slim Shady I love you)


OUCH



So true, he doesn't give a fuck. and that's pretty awesome.
I only wish he could find a worthy adversary.

[roosta]

i know its not on Relapse...but that song might just make me buy it..sounds like he's got it again..

[mickill]

I dont like 3 AM. The album starts stronger with My Mom.

really the only songs I dont like are that, Bagpipes from Baghdad, and Hello. Even those songs I enjoy, but they are the weaker tracks on the album to me.

I think Hello is the best song on the album. 3AM is up there too.

[The Notorious LOL]

that diss is amazing. I could care less who its about. Its Eminem in true form.

[Randetica]

i hope mariah bullets him, thats what i would do

[checkyourprez]

im not gonna lie i like the mariah track for its musical content.


but that em track is just too much hot fire for one song. i wonder how far hes going to take this.

[mickill]

Hammer Vs Vanilla (http://www.zshare.net/audio/643566843dc60b85/)