Colin Powell 2/5/2003 United Nations

[yeahwho]

As evidence grows and is presented to Congress and the American people the Secretary of State, Colin Powell, tells this whopper;

“I can trace the story of a senior terrorist operative telling how Iraq provided training in these [chemical and biological] weapons to al-Qaeda,” Powell said, adding, “Fortunately, this operative is now detained, and he has told his story.”

That detainee has died and here is his story, Ibn al-Sheikh al-Libi (http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2009/05/11/ibn-al-shaykh-al-libi-has-died-in-a-libyan-prison/), whose real name was Ali Mohammed al-Fakheri, 46, took his own life in his prison cell, according to the Libyan newspaper Oea.

[yeahwho]

So the current war in Iraq, which relied very much (this was GWB's #1 reason for the Iraq invasion) on information from this tortured detainee Ibn al-Sheikh al-Libi (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/11/AR2009051103412.html) is not getting too much of a buzz by anybody here. It looks as if whether RobMoney is a closet racist or not gets post after post but the guy who was tortured in 2002 to say falsely that Iraq and al-Qaeda had connections is just not worthy of any discussion.

The US media seems uncomfortably quiet, seeings how torture has been in the headlines and the Bush administration is who authorized said torture, this particular tortured detainee actually is the one who gave false information about why we went to war in Iraq (http://thinkprogress.org/iraq-timeline/). This is huge, to me amazingly worthy and the media (at least here in the US) have decided that connecting the dots is impossible.

What a fucked up fearful planet I live in. I do have a glimmer of hope, at least Andrew Sullivan (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/05/tortured-to-justify-a-war.html) (a former Bush supporter) and a few other news outlets in the US media are putting their toes in the water, because you know what? I sure would like to see some sort of a reality based resolution as to why all of this is happening (http://usliberals.about.com/od/homelandsecurit1/a/IraqNumbers.htm) come from within our very own US justice system. Rather than the nutcases from youtube and fringe blogs. The only way for that to happen is we demand it to happen.

[RobMoney$]

I'm sorry, but I've lost my inspiration to debate politics in this forum as of late.

[yeahwho]

I'm sorry, but I've lost my inspiration to debate politics in this forum as of late.

I understand.

When I quit drinking I attended a slew of AA meetings and they have a pre-amble before every meeting in which of of the statements is "Principles before Personalities" .

I think in your case it became almost as if some people wanted to fix you, I think your fine.

[yeahwho]

The physically, mentally tortured lie that started the whole ball rolling in an endless quagmire of such fucked up proportions that even today we continue to be held prisoners of eight years of completely unrepresentative government. So now we're all broke and bailing out banks and insurance companies and the behavior of our own past is haunting us to this degree...

Pentagon to Release Detainee Photos (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/25/us/politics/24web-prison.html?_r=1) last week,

this week, Obama Tries to Block Release of Detainee Photos (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/13/white-house-wants-a-delay-in-the-release-of-detainee-photos/?hp)

I do not care myself if the photos are released, they will be evetually and the World knows what has happened. This is explosive and those who made the decisions based on torture, they know that there is no statute of limitations on murder.

We are all connected here in the USA, this is to me intolerable. The karmic laws of justice are now in place and the decisions made by those who decided murder as policy should be exposed, on all sides of our planet.

[yeahwho]

Pentagon to Release Detainee Photos (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/25/us/politics/24web-prison.html?_r=1) last week,

this week, Obama Tries to Block Release of Detainee Photos (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/13/white-house-wants-a-delay-in-the-release-of-detainee-photos/?hp)


The LATimes editorial board (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-ed-photos14-2009may14,0,2170906.story) says Obama must release the torture photos

Obama's announcement that he would seek to bar the release of the photos came after Gens. Ray Odierno, David McKiernan and David Petraeus all expressed concern that releasing them could cost American lives. A Pentagon spokesman said they believe it's the "last thing we need" at this critical moment in Afghanistan.

But what's the alternative? For one thing, it will be very difficult to keep the photos under wraps at this point. Shouldn't the administration at least get credit for making them public, rather than waiting for them to be leaked to Seymour Hersh (as the Abu Ghraib pictures were)?

What's more, the judges in the case -- both in District Court and at the appellate level -- have already rejected the government's argument about the danger to soldiers. The judges saw at least some of the photos.

To live in a land that did this much damage is what I want to see end. The torture of the past administration is a reality that will confront us from this day on. To not do the right thing and pursue our future "torture free" and "transparent" as can be is not an unreasonable request as an American citizen.

[yeahwho]

That new dog "Bo (http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/obamas-dog.jpg)" the Presidents family just acquired is sure cute. The folks down at Ty Inc. have already rushed out a Bo Beanie Baby (http://www.shoppingblog.com/pics/bo_ty_doll.jpg).

It's a Portuguese Water Dog.

[kaiser soze]

I wonder why cheney has come out of the rotting soil to discuss this torture shit - I think I saw something where he was trying to toss bush under the bus

also rove said something that torture kept the country from being attacked...

after 9/11 of course :eek:

[yeahwho]

I wonder why cheney has come out of the rotting soil to discuss this torture shit - I think I saw something where he was trying to toss bush under the bus

also rove said something that torture kept the country from being attacked...

after 9/11 of course :eek:

The real thick irony in all of this torture in the headlines is (as this thread is about) the alleged suicide of Ibn al-Sheikh al-Libi who gave the Bush administration the information on a al-Quaeda/Iraq connection that sold the war we are currently involved in. His suicide is huge news in the middle east but merely a blip here.

Ibn al-Sheikh al-Libi was detained and tortured in 2002, this is how the Bush administration obtained that information. Later under a whole other CIA torture session he admitted the al-Quaeda/Iraq tie was made up.

How this gets ignored is amazing, how people don't know of this key player in what is now being called "Enhanced Interrogation" is incredible. I guess I'm just trying my hardest here to make that fact be known... so, you know, when folks tell you torture works you can say, yeah it sure does. :rolleyes:

[kaiser soze]

sad to say, but most everything related to this war is becoming a blip

give em what they want.........Carrie Prejean!!!

someone is trying to keep torture fashionable

why?

Your guess is as good as mine

*cough* keep making enemies *cough*

[yeahwho]

Ibn al-Sheikh al-Libi is "Exhibit A" for the false documentation leading up to the Iraq war. Google News (http://news.google.com/news?q=al-Libi&oe=UTF-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn&ei=cXcIStW_Oo_ItAP9mtHmAQ&oi=property_suggestions&resnum=0&ct=property-revision&cd=1) has upticked from 22 hits to just over 400 hits, which is encouraging.

Overall I'm not too much into bashing the mainstream media but WTF? The Washington Correspondents dinner is getting more coverage?!? They're covering themselves making fucking jokes, the same corporate media that asked 0/nada/nil tough questions on the lead up to Iraq.

CNN, MSNBC, radio, TV, yahoo, AP these guys have 24 hour news outlets that have become basically embedded with their sponsors skewered view of the World.

[yeahwho]

Colin Powell, 5/24/2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3waZulCvPg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.michaelmoore.com%2F&feature=player_embedded), he would make a wonderful Sergeant Schultz on a Broadway production of Hogans Heroes.

A saw nothing, I know nothing....