so, this sunday is the date i have set myself

[Guy Incognito]

to give up smoking. for good. including the green. deffo. i have been working up to it instead of just going in to it blind and then cracking after a day. i have done that a million times. i have been thinking a lot more positively about it and working out a strategy this time.

i am on holiday so i figured its better than trying to give up at work where it can be stressful. gonna load up on nicotine replacement to start with then gradually come off that shit and try to stay positive.

i have to give up smoking for my family and my bank balance.

anyone who wants to post helpful hints, encouragement, possible pitfalls etc then i would be very grateful.(y)

[YoungRemy]

You give yourself a date to quit and you set yourself up for failure.

You really want to quit? Quit right now.
Your reasons are great, though (y)

[Rock]

Ive tried cold turkey many a times with no luck. I thought when my sister got cancer that I could stop, but that lasted about a week. So I'm trying the patch this Friday. Its working for one of my co-workers and she has been smoking for 30 years. But she doesn't drink....smoking sucks.

[MC Moot]

You have my complete support...as a matter of fact I was thinking about starting a BBMB smokeout thread to see if anyone else wants to give up the weed...it's crept right back into my life since my injury...from a pack on the weekend over pints,to 3 a day while at work,up to 2 packs a week now...I can feel it doing me ill...so yeah,I'll have a go at cessation myself with you Guy...(y)

[Guy Incognito]

You give yourself a date to quit and you set yourself up for failure.

y)

whilst i understand what your saying i have my reasons for doing it this way:

- i have quit right now a million times with little success
- i took some advice from a helpline and they advised me to set a date and stick to it
-got into trouble at work last month for losing it and walking out, got away with it but i dont want to risk it happening again during the first few stressful days at work so i figure holiday is a good date to start.
- i have now given myself time to plan and think about my reasons like my kids, my dad ( he died of emphysema) and money and ways to help myself.

You have my complete support.....so yeah,I'll have a go at cessation myself with you Guy...(y)

go for it mooty and rock(y) good luck

[YoungRemy]

so why not set the date for tomorrow?

the stress will be there next week, next month, next year.

I fully support your decision and I believe that if you tried it right now, you would have success.

You haven't quit a million times. You have tried to quit and never stuck with it.

You can't quit smoking until you STOP SMOKING!!

Consider me your helpline/hypnotist

(Nov. 15th of this year will mark my 10 Year Smoke Free Anniversary)

[Guy Incognito]

so why not set the date for tomorrow?

the stress will be there next week, next month, next year.

I fully support your decision and I believe that if you tried it right now, you would have success.

You haven't quit a million times. You have tried to quit and never stuck with it.

You can't quit smoking until you STOP SMOKING!!

Consider me your helpline/hypnotist

(Nov. 15th of this year will mark my 10 Year Smoke Free Anniversary)

Because i dont wanna risk losing my job, one more outburst like the other week and i could be out on my ear. No money and two young kids is not a good situation, i think its the sensible option.
I havent "tried to quit" for a long time now and making a date really is progress for me and i thought maybe telling myself why i want to do it a lot i can get myself in the zone for the day i actually want to do it. I want to look forward to the date not dread it.
i know you might think i am already doomed but it really feels different this time

(y)nice one on the ten 10 years

[MC Moot]

I just went for one…Only thirteen little indians left… (http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x265/mcmoot/13indians.jpg):eek:

[Laver1969]

You can do it. It'll be 5 years for me in December.

I had a lot of things I associated with smoking. After meals, coffee, drinking, driving in the car, etc. You have to come up with a plan for the times that you will really, really want to smoke.

And throw away ashtrays and lighters. Hopefully your family and friends will be supportive and tempt you.

Good Luck!!!

[Guy Incognito]

You can do it. It'll be 5 years for me in December.

I had a lot of things I associated with smoking. After meals, coffee, drinking, driving in the car, etc. You have to come up with a plan for the times that you will really, really want to smoke.

And throw away ashtrays and lighters. Hopefully your family and friends will be supportive and tempt you.

Good Luck!!!

well i dont smoke indoors, anywhere. so i dont have any ashtrays

the wife's giving up as well, i am sensing doubt but i think if she sees me doing it that will spur her on because she smokes less than i do.

[MC Moot]

Hey Guy,

I think it's helpful to identify if your need for tabacco is physical,social or even emotional...or all of them...for me,like Rock, I think the largest area of contention is the urge while drinking...so for the most part I'd say I'm a social smoker but the nicotine now has my body believing it's a stress reliver...did your wife smoke through pregnancy or stop and start?...I think co-quiting could be really helpful...you know,for the kids and for each other and all that...

[checkyourprez]

why you giving up the weedus?

[Guy Incognito]

Hey Guy,

I think it's helpful to identify if your need for tabacco is physical,social or even emotional...or all of them...for me,like Rock, I think the largest area of contention is the urge while drinking...so for the most part I'd say I'm a social smoker but the nicotine now has my body believing it's a stress reliver...did your wife smoke through pregnancy or stop and start?...I think co-quiting could be really helpful...you know,for the kids and for each other and all that...

i havent enjoyed a cigarette for about 10 year. your body is most stressed when having a cigarette. FACT. it plays tricks on you. the wife gave up both times, i think she had a sneaky few but was quickly back on them after the 2nd kid. its just gonna be hard quitting together but not as hard as doing it separately, thats a non starter.

why you giving up the weedus?

because unless i smoke pure spliffs i am still having tobacco and three times as strong tobacco than cigarettes because of the filters. i have been there before, gave up cigarettes but was knocking back loads of spliff when all i really wanted was a fag. idiocy.
maybe when i have given up for a long time i might be able to have the odd joint but until then its off limits.
i dont drink either so i am aiming to be pretty clean.

[Adam]

I can see why giving up the weed to is a good idea. You'll still wanna smoke - any smoke in ya lungs is still bad for you (but I don't want to turn this into a 'benefits of smoking weed' debate) and you'll feel the need for a cigarette more.

Good luck. My brother set and a date and stuck to it, it was while my dad was dying of cancer to which I think helped him as its horrible seeing that. I think your wife doing it at the same time is a good idea especially if you have some healthy competition in your relationship. Maybe suggest a forfeit (bedroom or not) for who gives in first and it has to be bad enough to make it worth quitting but not so bad that its humiliating or offensive.

I think doing something else like brushing your teeth is a good idea when ya wanna smoke and on the plus side, you'll have great teeth.

Wear gloves

If you roll your own (surprisingly uncommon I found in the states when I'd say most my peers here do) the rolling action will still be automatic with your hands so get a clicky pen or something to occupy ya hands - may annoy the company you keep but fuck'em.

Keep an elastic band round ya wrist - sounds weird but it reminds you why you are wearing it - don't smoke

[Guy Incognito]

Keep an elastic band round ya wrist - sounds weird but it reminds you why you are wearing it - don't smoke

not sure about this but i'll keep it in mind if i am struggling.(y)

sunday is fathers day so it shoud be a nice stressless day to start off with

[Guy Incognito]

i just had to run about 200 yards in the wind and rain to get to my car and when i got there i thought i was going to have a heart attack, like really, i was coughing, struggling for breath, the lot. i havent had a cig since.( bout 4 hours ago) doesnt sound like much but trust me it is. i will have one at some point but thinking how i felt when i stopped running ( and it was very light jogging) will stand me in good stead for sunday

[Guy Incognito]

ok, if anyone's interested i started my stopping last sunday on holiday and am still going strong. am rockin a nicotine patch but i have faild at that before but its a lot better this time, still dont really want a cig and i think i can beat it

[YoungRemy]

Way to go Guy I! Once you pass the first couple of weeks the cravings will die down and you will start having smoking dreams...

You can do this, it's all in the mind.
Keep us posted!

[Guy Incognito]

and you will start having smoking dreams...

You can do this, it's all in the mind.
Keep us posted!

already had three nights of dreams about cigarettes. even though i have a patch i am still getting mad cravings and am bit worried when i come off the patch but i am hoping it will be ok

[Laver1969]

already had three nights of dreams about cigarettes. even though i have a patch i am still getting mad cravings and am bit worried when i come off the patch but i am hoping it will be ok

Updates???

[Guy Incognito]

its getting better - nearing the end of day 9 - still on patches but going onto lower strength one tomorrow. first day back at work was hard but everyone was very encouraging and some smokers seem inspired. just trying to keep busy. forgot to put my patch on yesterday and didnt realise for 4 hours but as soon as i realised i really struggled but am gonna stick to the patch plan for a coupla weeks but am very proud i have got this far, cant go back now it would be such a shame

[kaiser soze]

Congrats and keep it up (y)

I quit over a year ago and honestly hate the fact that I was a slave to that shit for so long.

[ericlee]

I got back on the patch as of Yesterday. I'm also chewing some nicotine gum here and there, I believe I can do it this time.

I quit for 9 months in 07 and started back up, like a dumbass. I'll still drink and smoke a little herb but I won't use those as excuses to smoke cigs.

Best of luck to you guy. Wish me the same. I'm going to try to make it so that I won't have to finish all the steps of the patch.

[Guy Incognito]

I got back on the patch as of Yesterday. I'm also chewing some nicotine gum here and there, I believe I can do it this time.

I quit for 9 months in 07 and started back up, like a dumbass. I'll still drink and smoke a little herb but I won't use those as excuses to smoke cigs.

Best of luck to you guy. Wish me the same. I'm going to try to make it so that I won't have to finish all the steps of the patch.

good luck, i am in a bit of a quandry as to what to do about coming off the patch but i think for now i'll stick to the plan with all the steps and just see how it goes. I'm treating the patch as training for going cold turkey cos i still have to beat cravings but hopefully after the steps the cravings will be less frequent and a bit more random and not just at the usual times.

to be honest, the day i picked to do it was pretty stupid, it was the longest day of the year!June 21st. And it was a pretty stressful day but it would have been if i had smoked!

The wife is using an inhalator and no patch and is finding it harder and i keep having to tell her to be more positive and telling her she is doing better than me and that she's closer to beating it, i dont think she is convinced but i have to stay strong for her as well. If i crack she will and she knows if she cracks that i will.

I got an inhalator as well but i am not using it a lot , only in really bad moments. Spending loads of money on replacement helped, motivated me to carry on!

just gotta keep busy, the house hasnt been cleaner. and its felt really good not nipping outside and ignoring my kids every so often. Am starting to feel that i have been really stupid for 18 years.

[Yun]

did you see those Blu E-Cigarettes? fookin crazy stuff man. good luck with the quitting. you'll think clearer. so i've been told by a recent quitee.

[Randetica]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q0epKfyJ8A

[Take Drugs]

Hi Randy.

[b i o n i c]

i keep hearing about people who take the patch and smoke or chew gum indiscriminately, like let them overlap

DON'T DO THAT. ITS TERRIBLE ON YOUR HEART.

i just wanted to say that

[Brother McDuff]

I'm just starting to quit myself (well, I feel like i've been in that boat for eight years), and I must say this thread is truly an inspiration. strangely enough, today was my planned start day (haven't had one today); I too read that setting a future date is statistically more successful than the "right now" dealio.


One of the things I've found in the past that helps though, for what it's worth:

we all know how shitty it feels to weather x amount of days without a smoke and how crappy it feels when you finally have one again. i've found when i crave one really bad and am close to breaking, thinking about that guilt and dissappointing feeling that comes after breaking a non-smoking streak helps me overcome the urge. just imagine the moment you finish the cigarette, were you to have one, and the psychological agony and burden you'd feel.

[Guy Incognito]

i keep hearing about people who take the patch and smoke or chew gum indiscriminately, like let them overlap

DON'T DO THAT. ITS TERRIBLE ON YOUR HEART.

i just wanted to say that

Yeah - its really bad. I was told by my chemist that its ok to have a patch and one other "oral" replacement as long as i didnt go mental. So i have the patch and use the inhalator a little bit a day.

I'm just starting to quit myself (well, I feel like i've been in that boat for eight years), and I must say this thread is truly an inspiration. strangely enough, today was my planned start day (haven't had one today); I too read that setting a future date is statistically more successful than the "right now" dealio.


One of the things I've found in the past that helps though, for what it's worth:

we all know how shitty it feels to weather x amount of days without a smoke and how crappy it feels when you finally have one again. i've found when i crave one really bad and am close to breaking, thinking about that guilt and dissappointing feeling that comes after breaking a non-smoking streak helps me overcome the urge. just imagine the moment you finish the cigarette, were you to have one, and the psychological agony and burden you'd feel.

nice to be an inspiration. There are a coupla people at work who have give up this week because i have as well, its weird though, it keeps the pressure on me to keep stopped but its good pressure i suppose.

Yeah picking a date definitely helped and telling everyone about it before worked as i gave myself no hiding place and would have had to face everyone calling me a loser if i hadnt gone thru with it. Also Young Remy's reverse psychology worked " about setting myself up for failure".

The cravings seem to be getting more intense but less frequent over the last couple of days but i am drawing strength each time i beat one. When people say they havent got the will power, i kind of understand but i think if you can do it for one day then that will show you its possible, I'm going to end this post before i turn into one of those non smoker know it alls!

any way good look mr mcduff

[Guy Incognito]

so worked out i have save nearly hundred quid since quitting already then decided to work out how much i had spent in 18 years of smoking. i averaged the price of 20 at £4quid a pack to cover the rise in price. £27,000 .:eek:

[b i o n i c]

i have a box of gum and patches, i havent had a smoke since sat night (INDEPENDENCE Day) - i want to keep going. lets see how today goes

[Ty Webb]

smokes poles.

[The Notorious LOL]

I quit 11 months ago. (y) Only downside is I cant make out with hot broads that smoke without sort of gagging now.

[Rock]

Only 7 days. But my true test is not smoking while I am drinking. And I got shitfaced a couple of times since and was around chain smokers and didn't even want one. Actually have only wanted one once but that lasted for about two seconds.
The patch is working great for me....so far.

[b i o n i c]

congrats(y) i've had about 10 cigarettes (being out drinkin) since 4th of july.. im not using patches or anything. thats pretty good for me as ive smoked every day for over 15 years, which makes me sad and a little scared. that kind of freaks me out to just write and read

are you using the patch as directed or sporadically?

[Rock]

You are supposed to put it on everyday around the same time. But a couple of times I forgot to put it on and didn't remember til after work, still didn't crave a smoke, but put the patch on anyways just in case.

I don't have the will power to do it cold turkey, or even cut down to 10 cigarettes in a weeks time. Props.

Its odd because I always used to say that it wasn't the nicotine, but its the whole ritual of it all. Lighting it, inhaling, exhaling, etc. But with the patch i'm thinking it really was the nicotine.

[ericlee]

I cheated last Sunday by buying a pack of Backwoods cigars with my beer.

Only smoked 2 of them and the pack has been sitting around so I threw it out yesterday.

I'm on step 2 of the patches now and I'm to the point where it bugs the shit outta me to watch people smoke.

Also since I'm quitting smoking, my want for drinking has decreased. Not sure how it makes any sense.

[Guy Incognito]

Day 26 today for me!

The wife started again last week but she hasnt had that many and is still trying to fight it. Its been harder this week knowing there were cigarettes in the house and i am still on the patches but am going down to final step patch tomorrow for 2 weeks. The patch instructions say you should do step 1 for 6 and the 2+ 3 for 2 weeks each but i am just doing 2,2+2.

[ericlee]

You are supposed to put it on everyday around the same time. But a couple of times I forgot to put it on and didn't remember til after work, still didn't crave a smoke, but put the patch on anyways just in case.

I don't have the will power to do it cold turkey, or even cut down to 10 cigarettes in a weeks time. Props.

Its odd because I always used to say that it wasn't the nicotine, but its the whole ritual of it all. Lighting it, inhaling, exhaling, etc. But with the patch i'm thinking it really was the nicotine.

yeah, it's the nicotine. During the first couple of days I felt like my mind was playing tricks on me. I felt like running into a door as hard as I could over and over.

I don't substitute a pen for a cigarette or anything and if a person tends to be more fidgety, they're probably addicted to the ritualistic part.

[b i o n i c]

yeah, it's the nicotine. During the first couple of days I felt like my mind was playing tricks on me. I felt like running into a door as hard as I could over and over.

lol, what?! hahah :D(y)

i think the "quitting" part is easy. the hardest thing is never having "just one" because then its just all over.
that makes no sense, but you know what i mean

[ericlee]

Day 26 today for me!

The wife started again last week but she hasnt had that many and is still trying to fight it. Its been harder this week knowing there were cigarettes in the house and i am still on the patches but am going down to final step patch tomorrow for 2 weeks. The patch instructions say you should do step 1 for 6 and the 2+ 3 for 2 weeks each but i am just doing 2,2+2.

toss those cigarettes out, she'll understand. I can see you having it rougher than I do in the quitting battle. Being with someone who completely despises everything about cigarettes makes it a lil easier for me to want to quit.

[Adam]

grats guys. I've a friend to who is quitting and she is doing really well. I know she cheats now and then though but its still pretty good. Although she still smokes the green.

[Guy Incognito]

so time to fess up , i fell off the wagon in supreme fashion after 37 days(n)
ciggies have been in the house for a bit because the other half was dabbling and it all got a bit too much and had some last weekend. tried again with a patch on monday and i lasted about 18 hours but then it got too much. i am gonna smoke for a week or two and give it another go. Spoke to a doc who was very encouraging and gave me some good advice like success being one more try than failure, all that stuff.
he mentioned this champix drug as well which i might go for
18th is the next quit day so fingers crossed. i will beat this shit

[YoungRemy]

fuck that. quit. your other half is bringing you down.

[Randetica]

so time to fess up , i fell off the wagon in supreme fashion after 37 days(n)
ciggies have been in the house for a bit because the other half was dabbling and it all got a bit too much and had some last weekend. tried again with a patch on monday and i lasted about 18 hours but then it got too much. i am gonna smoke for a week or two and give it another go. Spoke to a doc who was very encouraging and gave me some good advice like success being one more try than failure, all that stuff.
he mentioned this champix drug as well which i might go for
18th is the next quit day so fingers crossed. i will beat this shit


i knew the youtube video i posted would break you in sooner or later!

but really, 37 days really isnt bad
many fail after 37 hours already

[ericlee]

You see Brando's expression in my avatar? Yeah, that's how I feel after reading that.

[BangkokB]

Scroll Down: I'll pick up the slack for you trooper. No Sweat

If I had to pay the prices you're paying I'd probably quit too

[Guy Incognito]

fuck that. quit. your other half is bringing you down.

to be fair she is reading that allen carr book and she came up with the date and i think setting the date last time did work, starting stopiing isnt as hard as keeping stopped if that makes sense.
we know we need to support each other better to crack it

You see Brando's expression in my avatar? Yeah, that's how I feel after reading that.

i feel really stupid and have no fight but the last coupla days i have got more positive again, i need to let that build again.

Scroll Down: I'll pick up the slack for you trooper. No Sweat

If I had to pay the prices you're paying I'd probably quit too

thats been the hardest thing to take cos i started to notice not paying 6 quid a day really quickly.

[YoungRemy]

to be fair she is reading that allen carr book and she came up with the date and i think setting the date last time did work, starting stopiing isnt as hard as keeping stopped if that makes sense.
we know we need to support each other better to crack it



i feel really stupid and have no fight but the last coupla days i have got more positive again, i need to let that build again.



thats been the hardest thing to take cos i started to notice not paying 6 quid a day really quickly.


i'm sorry but it didn't work last time. you are smoking again. this is what I told you would happen when you started this.

it's all or nothing. no excuses.

[lolkat]

its for the look i don't lite it

[Guy Incognito]

i'm sorry but it didn't work last time. you are smoking again. this is what I told you would happen when you started this.

it's all or nothing. no excuses.

I will do it, just gotta do it my own way. I got stopped by setting a date and i think i should do that again.
there is more than one way to skin a cat

[Guy Incognito]

its on again - not had one since last night

yeah yeah yeah i hear at least one of you say but its been quite easy today but at the same time i dont feel like i have achieved anything cos i know i can do this for 37 days so probably wont fell good for a bit but i think i can crack it this time.(y)

[Videodrome]

good luck (y)

[Rock]

Yeah I failed. But I stopped taking the patch. So back on it and gonna finish it all the way its supposed to go down. sumovabeech

[sab0tage]

How's it going Guy?

I tried to quit a couple of years ago but kept smoking weed. I ended up smoking weed on the way to work and again as soon as I got home - just for the tobacco.
I've been wanting to quit again, especially as I now have an 8 month old son now.

Give us an update - I need some inspiration

[Guy Incognito]

How's it going Guy?

I tried to quit a couple of years ago but kept smoking weed. I ended up smoking weed on the way to work and again as soon as I got home - just for the tobacco.
I've been wanting to quit again, especially as I now have an 8 month old son now.

Give us an update - I need some inspiration

honestly i lasted just less than a week this time, at my wits end i feel like i have given it my best shot giving up for 37 days and i blew it. am going to docs this week to talk about champix which apparently has 1 in 3 success rate, it was the weed that fucked my attempt up so my advice to you is quit (thats the easy bit) then dont smoke fags and when the weed cravings start dont give in like i did, sorry i cant be more inspirational.

[sab0tage]

Sorry man. Let me know how you get on with the champix. My wife smokes too and we decided that we would kill each other if we quit at the same time so I'm going to go first. I just need to build up the courage - if that's the right word.

[Guy Incognito]

Sorry man. Let me know how you get on with the champix. My wife smokes too and we decided that we would kill each other if we quit at the same time so I'm going to go first. I just need to build up the courage - if that's the right word.

the only way is together, you'll never do it on your own, you need them out of reach from both of you

[Adam]

I work for the NHS atm - we have this tool that gives you the life expectancy of a smoker - its kinda cool. It also says how much longer you are likely to live if you gave up smoking today.

Any NHS worker who uses the computer system should be able to quickly look at it for you. That is kinda a scare tactic.

But the Green is generally the trouble with all smokers who have given up or are trying - its seems different somehow and not really smoking although its almost as bad. Maybe try a vaporiser? But they are kinda expensive.

[saz]

including the green.

:confused:

[Guy Incognito]

:confused:

yep, didnt listen to me own advice, feel like a total dick for giving into the weed

[YoungRemy]

How's it going Guy?

I tried to quit a couple of years ago but kept smoking weed. I ended up smoking weed on the way to work and again as soon as I got home - just for the tobacco.
I've been wanting to quit again, especially as I now have an 8 month old son now.

Give us an update - I need some inspiration

just for the tobacco? there's no way to smoke a bowl or roll up a fatty without putting tobacco in it?

just quit smoking for fucks sake... you have to control your mind and will power to do it.

that's how you do it and that's how you do it for good!!

[checkyourprez]

just for the tobacco? there's no way to smoke a bowl or roll up a fatty without putting tobacco in it?

just quit smoking for fucks sake... you have to control your mind and will power to do it.

that's how you do it and that's how you do it for good!!


crazy europeans always smoking their weed with tobacco in it. :confused:

[Adam]

crazy europeans always smoking their weed with tobacco in it. :confused:

that we do - most people here smoke roll ups so adding green makes the cigarette a little better (y)

Some people only smoke that way even, it also means you can get away with it in beer gardens and stuff.

But we do smoke it without to, but its harder to conceal when you're out and about.

[Guy Incognito]

here we go again!

me and a lad at work have stopped today - i havent had one since last night.

i know what it takes this time and i know not to rock the green - i havent had any of that for 3 weeks to try and get a head start.

am feeling confident

[ericlee]

Well, good luck with it again.

I'm doing fine. I still smoke- not cigarettes. I smoke a black and mild if I'm drinking. I average 2-3 black and milds over a weekend of drinking.

For the main part, I have accomplished being able to not smoke 10-20 cigarettes a day. I'm not spending 8-10 dollars a day on cigarettes either.

I'm at my comfort zone with smoking. I have taken in the fact that I do enjoy a smoke with my beers and I also love quality cigars. Of course black and milds aren't quality but I do rock Cohibas, Punch Royales and Monte Christos once and a while.

[YoungRemy]

yeah, good luck again and again.

try not to smoke while you are quitting smoking (y)

I believe you can do it if you believe you can do it.

there can be no excuses if you really want to quit.

I repeat- YOU CAN DO IT

[Guy Incognito]

^ cheers lads

well, we have a doctor who visits our work once a week and he has been really helpful offering to have a chat with me every week if i want and he's been really encouraging and quite complimentary about my efforts and tactics. he's been very understanding about the weed issue and the wife issue. he just keeps sayin success is trying more times than you fail, stuff like that.

the wife is now following suit. today was first day that neither of us smoked for long time. it was tough going but we have survived. i have realised because i want to give up so badly but a very small part of me wont let me quit that i'll be pissed off for a bit if i dont smoke but i'll be pissed off if i fail so i might as well be pissed off and healthy.

i have been free of them for 72 hours now. not that i am thinking about it too much! me and the wife agreed not to mention it and just crack on today and i think its helped. in the past we have tried to talk it thru if either of us was struggling but i thnk that just meant it stayed on our mind

[sjp]

I hope i can quit chewing this week like i plan to