English Premier League 2009/2010

[Guy Incognito]

well, its a bit early i suppose but the fixtures came out today.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/fixtures/default.stm

err... come on united.

[camo]

Good call (y)

[Guy Incognito]

Good call (y)

i suppose we can discuss silly transfer talk until the season actually starts. silly talk like this:

from bbc sport:

Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy may help Real Madrid recoup some of their extravagant summer spending by thrashing out a £37m deal to sign winger Arjen Robben, striker Klass-Jan Huntelaar and defender Gabriel Heinze.

cant see it

[camo]

That would be a good deal If it went through.

I'm following the Ribbery affair at the moment . Bayern are adamant that he is not for sale but he is only contracted till 2011 so I think they'd be right to cash in. Let's hope Fergies war chest can accommodate it. Infact just read that Real are favorites to land him after a £70 bid.

I'd like to see Benzema at united, if Teves isn't snapped up. Also I wonder if Fergie will pursue Robben. He was after him when he was 19 but PSV priced him over Fergies valuation.

[Freebasser]

Birmingham, Burnley and Wigan.

Couldn't really hope for a better start (y)

In regards to Ribery, The Grauniad today stated that United were adopting a new policy of not paying stupid money for players aged 26 or over (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/jun/17/manchester-united-transfer-policy), so that counts him out.

[Planetary]

West Ham at home first day let's have it!

[Fern]

Let's go Red Bulls!

[Adam]

I have no clue who even won last season? I remember guessing liverpool on the 2008/2009 thread though, but that is cus I know they are underdogs but like to still call themselves part of the 'Top Four' when they always finish 4th. hehe

So anyway, I'll say Liverpool will win.

[Guy Incognito]

Let's go Red Bulls!

up the lucozade

I have no clue who even won last season? I remember guessing liverpool on the 2008/2009 thread though, but that is cus I know they are underdogs but like to still call themselves part of the 'Top Four' when they always finish 4th. hehe

So anyway, I'll say Liverpool will win.

man utd won
liverpool finshed a lucky 2nd

[Drederick Tatum]

Arsenal need to buy a pitbull for the midfield. not a player mind, an actual pitbull.

[Adam]

man utd won
liverpool finshed a lucky 2nd

yeah, I checked after making the thread, seems they was in the running for a lot the season to win [Liverpool].

So not to be a glory supporter, I'm gonna go with erm... ...I dunno, do Yorkshire have a team in the premiership yet? I mean, its the biggest county in the UK and the only one without a team in the top league of the national game I think, I'll check.

edit: Wow, Hull are in it!!! I had no clue they even had a team worth mentioning. I'm going with them...

[Guy Incognito]

So not to be a glory supporter, I'm gonna go with erm... ...I dunno, do Yorkshire have a team in the premiership yet? I mean, its the biggest county in the UK and the only one without a team in the top league of the national game I think, I'll check.

edit: Wow, Hull are in it!!! I had no clue they even had a team worth mentioning. I'm going with them...

seriously tempted to find a leeds united forum and quote your post and wind them right up. hahahaha

[Freebasser]

I mean, its the biggest county in the UK and the only one without a team in the top league of the national game I think, I'll check.

There are 46 counties in England and only 20 teams in the top flight, and out of those 20, only 7 of them aren't based in either London or the North West.

[camo]

There are 46 counties in England and only 20 teams in the top flight, and out of those 20, only 7 of them aren't based in either London or the North West.

Take this to the fact thread (y)

[Adam]

seriously tempted to find a leeds united forum and quote your post and wind them right up. hahahaha

Back when I was a chav*, I supported Sheffield Wednesday which is why I have a passing interest in football. But I ain't really been following 'em since the late 90's early 00's. I think then Sheffield United got in to the Premiership when leeds went out and then Utd dropped out and then they was no yorkshire teams in there.

Are leeds good again or something?

*I'm not saying all football supporters are chavs, I mean I was when I liked football.

[paul jones]

yay! lots of games that I'll watch on TV instead of going to because it's way too expensive these days(y)

[checkyourprez]

manchester united to finish 5th. sucking massive cocks along the way.



gooooo anyone but the manuers.



but more than anyone AC MILAN.

[Planetary]

thoughts on gattuso to chelsea?

[Freebasser]

At 31 I think he'll struggle to adapt. Probably not a wise purchase, but then again Chelsea will buy anybody.

[checkyourprez]

thoughts on gattuso to chelsea?


possible. but im not sure its going to happen.

[Planetary]

as he said himslf its his sort ofgmae its wether or not he wants to go and if chlsea are willing to pay. i thin he'll go, premier lague would be good for him.m

[Adam]

as he said himslf its his sort ofgmae its wether or not he wants to go and if chlsea are willing to pay. i thin he'll go, premier lague would be good for him.m

drunk post

[roosta]

i despise transfer talk silly season.

See you gents in August.

[Guy Incognito]

At 31 I think he'll struggle to adapt. Probably not a wise purchase, but then again Chelsea will buy anybody.


i disagree - he is class, he knows all about british football and he is an archetypal hard man, could be as important as makelele was for them and he was getting on a bit.


i despise transfer talk silly season.

See you gents in August.

i bet we see you before then when you either whinge that wenger hasnt bought anyone or you are raving over some big signing you make. i think you will spend 20 million on someone, but i have been worng before, well i have been wrong a lot!

[Freebasser]

This is a fun little quiz. A season old, like, but still good fun.

Name every team to have competed in the Premier League (http://www.sporcle.com/games/premierleaguealltime.php) in under 8 minutes, and NO GOOGLING!

I missed out on 3 (Rollover to see, you cheaters ;)) Charlton (shocked I missed that one), Bradford City and Watford (both had one season, so I think I can be forgiven those two).

[Guy Incognito]

This is a fun little quiz. A season old, like, but still good fun.

Name every team to have competed in the Premier League (http://www.sporcle.com/games/premierleaguealltime.php) in under 8 minutes, and NO GOOGLING!

I missed out on 3 (Rollover to see, you cheaters ;)) Charlton (shocked I missed that one), Bradford City and Watford (both had one season, so I think I can be forgiven those two).

been away on hols - playing catch up!

missed 3 as well. but not the same three as you

[checkyourprez]

i predict liverpool finally end the title drought this year.

man u aint doin it without c.ron.


chelsea still needs help in some departments.


arsenal...eh, nah.


anyone else...be serious.

[Freebasser]

Congratulations on making predicitions based on last years teams. In case you hadn't noticed, there are still 7 weeks of summer left for everyone to make transfers before a ball is even kicked.

United may not have Ronaldo next season, but with possibly the best part of 80 millon to spend on July 1st, United may well start the season with the likes of Karim Benzema or David Villa in the starting 11.

[Guy Incognito]

i predict liverpool finally end the title drought this year.

man u aint doin it without c.ron.




Liverpool are not allowed to win the title till 2017 at least, if we had to wait 26 years then they can wait longer. we will win it again. 4 in a row, 19 titles double history makers. just watch wayne flourish my friend.

[Drederick Tatum]

I'll wait till the transfer season finishes to make predictions for the next season. much more could happen.

[checkyourprez]

Congratulations on making predicitions based on last years teams. In case you hadn't noticed, there are still 7 weeks of summer left for everyone to make transfers before a ball is even kicked.

United may not have Ronaldo next season, but with possibly the best part of 80 millon to spend on July 1st, United may well start the season with the likes of Karim Benzema or David Villa in the starting 11.

villa is not going to man u.

possibly benzema, but i dont think so there either.

i dont see tevez sticking around either.


i have noticed there are 7 weeks of summer left.

and liverpool has the 2 best players in the prem now. steve g, and fernado torres. as long as they stay healthy its their league to give away.

[camo]

Can someone ban CYP from this thread? Or possible make a Seria A thread so he can spout bollocks in there (on his own might I add)?

[Guy Incognito]

villa is not going to man u.. Agreed

possibly benzema, but i dont think so there either . Not seen enough of this guy to know how good he is

i dont see tevez sticking around either. . There's already been a statement that he's going but i dont know if there will be any crazy changes of mind. he said he wouldnt go to liverpool because of the rivalry but would consider city. mental.


and liverpool has the 2 best players in the prem now. steve g, and fernado torres. as long as they stay healthy its their league to give away.

stop being such a wind up merchant. i am not rising to this one

[checkyourprez]

Can someone ban CYP from this thread? Or possible make a Seria A thread so he can spout bollocks in there (on his own might I add)?

bitter manuer fan.


ronaldo = reason why man u won the past couple years. no ronaldo no titles.

[Guy Incognito]

bitter manuer fan.


ronaldo = reason why man u won the past couple years. no ronaldo no titles.




nothing to do with the 15 clean sheets on the bounce, goals from all of the team, fergusons tactics and squad rotation.

i know i said i wasnt gonna get wound up by you but you really know nish.

ronaldo = player who flourished in a great team and got on the end of great moves, scored a few free kciks and great goals, he worked hard with the rest of the team to win the league.

checkyourprez = someone who should really shush until he realises he doesnt know what the fuck he is talking about

oh and what the fuck has a man u fan got to be bitter about?

[checkyourprez]

hahaaa


get the sand out of your vagina woman.




dont get mad liverpool is going to win the league and has the two best players in it now.

[Freebasser]

Checkyourprez is the guy at the pub that nobody invited but who showed up anyway.

[Planetary]

Checkyourprez is the guy at the pub that nobody invited but who showed up anyway.

lol

[Guy Incognito]

hahaaa


get the sand out of your vagina woman.




dont get mad liverpool is going to win the league and has the two best players in it now.

just dont say stuff to be a prick and then pretend you know what your talking about, if you think the mickeys are gonna win it then fine just dont back it up with bollocks thats all

[camo]

bitter manuer fan.


ronaldo = reason why man u won the past couple years. no ronaldo no titles.



Checkyourprez is the guy at the pub that nobody invited but who showed up anyway.

You mean 'Dave'. Thats what Dave's do.

[checkyourprez]

just dont say stuff to be a prick and then pretend you know what your talking about, if you think the mickeys are gonna win it then fine just dont back it up with bollocks thats all

its a internet forum you herb. dont get your panties in a bunch because someone says man u is not gonna win because they lost 1 guy. (which is whats going to happen).

[Guy Incognito]

its a internet forum you herb. dont get your panties in a bunch because someone says man u is not gonna win because they lost 1 guy. (which is whats going to happen).

you obviously didnt read what i said - i dont mind you thinking liverpool are going to win but your reasons are based on bullshit that is all. you said we aint gonna win cos ronnie's gone and thats just something who knows fuck all would say. most people know that one man does not make a team, the only team that ever won anything with one man was argentina - 86 world cup. Ronaldo became a great player because of the manager and the players around him. if i want to get my panties or your mothers in a bunch then i will if it will stop you talking bollocks. also 2 players dont win a league.

[checkyourprez]

you obviously didnt read what i said - i dont mind you thinking liverpool are going to win but your reasons are based on bullshit that is all. you said we aint gonna win cos ronnie's gone and thats just something who knows fuck all would say. most people know that one man does not make a team, the only team that ever won anything with one man was argentina - 86 world cup. Ronaldo became a great player because of the manager and the players around him. if i want to get my panties or your mothers in a bunch then i will if it will stop you talking bollocks. also 2 players dont win a league.

have those said two players hurt for parts of last season lost them the league..

[Guy Incognito]

have those said two players hurt for parts of last season lost them the league..

and selling robbie keane ( a proven premiership goalscorer) when torres was injured, drawing too many games at home, not being able to be flexible in the system they play, not having a strong enough squad to be able to cope with losing their best players, i'll stop there because this is all probably getting too technical for you.
i think they will give a good fight as they did this year but if they dont improve the squad a lot more when we have 80 mill to spend they are going to miss out again. buying glenn johnson wont be enough

[checkyourprez]

and selling robbie keane ( a proven premiership goalscorer) when torres was injured, drawing too many games at home, not being able to be flexible in the system they play, not having a strong enough squad to be able to cope with losing their best players, i'll stop there because this is all probably getting too technical for you.
i think they will give a good fight as they did this year but if they dont improve the squad a lot more when we have 80 mill to spend they are going to miss out again. buying glenn johnson wont be enough


yea not everyone can buy up other teams young talent and stockpile them for a rainy day.

[camo]

yea not everyone can buy up other teams young talent and stockpile them for a rainy day.

I just imagined you saying that like this (http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2826/handbag1.jpg). You big girls blouse :D

[checkyourprez]

I just imagined you saying that like this (http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2826/handbag1.jpg). You big girls blouse :D

o stop you big man you. :p

[Guy Incognito]

yea not everyone can buy up other teams young talent and stockpile them for a rainy day.

you support ac milan for fucks sake, pot kettle noir situation methinks

[Lex Diamonds]

Milan have just lost their best player and pretty much lone playmaker. I find it pretty hilarious that you're saying all this shit about Ronaldo leaving United when we've got a wealth of other talent and you've just got a load of aging defenders.

[checkyourprez]

you support ac milan for fucks sake, pot kettle noir situation methinks

have you checked the average age of the squad lately?

[checkyourprez]

Milan have just lost their best player and pretty much lone playmaker. I find it pretty hilarious that you're saying all this shit about Ronaldo leaving United when we've got a wealth of other talent and you've just got a load of aging defenders.


yea you have a point.


pato, ronaldinho, pirlo, becks, seedorf dont have a clue how to make plays.

[Guy Incognito]

have you checked the average age of the squad lately?

oh right i see - well thats my fault for a talking about teams in a different league from the one i support and know about:rolleyes:

[checkyourprez]

oh right i see - well thats my fault for a talking about teams in a different league from the one i support and know about:rolleyes:

you are right on that one.

i on the other hand, can and will speak about all leagues because i have knowledge on such topics.

[Planetary]

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11699_5406750,00.html#

i dont' want to get carried away yet cause nothings for sure but it's quite an exciting prospect (for me)

[Guy Incognito]

you are right on that one.

i on the other hand, can and will speak about all leagues because i have knowledge on such topics.

look forward to hearing some of this knowledge sometime whenever it turns up

[Drederick Tatum]

i on the other hand, can and will speak about all leagues because i have knowledge on such topics.

if you had such knowledge you'd know that making predictions about a Ronaldoless Man Utd is pointless when the player hasn't even officially left the club yet. how about you shut up, follow the transfer action, then come back and astound us with all your knowledge at a more appropriate time...

[camo]

you are right on that one.

i on the other hand, can and will speak about all leagues because i have knowledge on such topics.

Which has so far been goading united fans which knowledge that wouldn't be beyond the primary school playground and predicting a Liverpool win - I mean who doesn't say that every year?

[Planetary]

CYH is being a willy but you're all taking the bait was too easily lol.

in other non-bickery, premier league related news, wolves have signed kevin doyle :)

good stuff for us

[Guy Incognito]

CYH is being a willy but you're all taking the bait was too easily lol.

in other non-bickery, premier league related news, wolves have signed kevin doyle :)

good stuff for us

there is taking the bait and there is arguing for arguings sake. its good fun.for a while.

not sure that doyle is the best signing you could have made. its tricky for promoted clubs, even if they have cash, cos a lot of premiership or top foreign players wont take the risk. i know he scored a few in readings first season, just not sure he'll get you enough to keep you up. still the more strikers you have in a squad the better.and that goes for any team, we need one now ronaldo's gone cos we are fucked without him:rolleyes:

[camo]

CYH is being a willy but you're all taking the bait was too easily lol.

in other non-bickery, premier league related news, wolves have signed kevin doyle :)

good stuff for us

He's not laying bait.


Doyles a good solid signing. A proven Championship player though, so He's going to have to step it up a little again.

[checkyourprez]

CYH is being a willy but you're all taking the bait was too easily lol.

in other non-bickery, premier league related news, wolves have signed kevin doyle :)

good stuff for us

(y)

[camo]

Come on, you wasn't winding anyone up. They were your actual views :D

[Guy Incognito]

still havent seen enough of this guy but i think its a good move (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/8127596.stm)

[Planetary]

i think he averages around 10 a season in the prem but i think in our squad he'll flourish.

definately worth the cash and looking forward to him alongside ebanks blake.

(y)

[Guy Incognito]

i think he averages around 10 a season in the prem but i think in our squad he'll flourish.

definately worth the cash and looking forward to him alongside ebanks blake.

(y)

i think the problem for promoted clubs is creating chances and keeping clean sheets, a good goalscorer or two doesnt keep you up, look at stoke, , sure a few important goals from beattie helped but they were solid at back and good at home. i really hope wolves stay up cos they are massive club but i think it'll be tough. having said that if its like last season, any 3 of 10 clubs could go down. i think hull will go down deffo.

[checkyourprez]

Come on, you wasn't winding anyone up. They were your actual views :D

a bit yeah.

but i push a button to see what it does at times, and when it works, ill run with it.


obviously man u's defense is really good. you dont win without a great defense. (except barca in the CL final ;) )

but i honestly dont think ronaldo can be replaced, i dont care how much money they have to spend. plus you add loosing tevez to that mix. who was extremely underrated i feel by sir alex.

i dont think nani is going to step up. i dont think new signing valencia is going to really fill that void consistently. giggs is way past his prime. park is the poor mans dirk kuyt. paul scholes just cant cut it anymore. macheda has some promise but is too young to really do anything on a consistent basis i feel, he lucked out with his early goals but i dont think that will be a habit. anderson looked good at times, and i feel is a bright spot for the future, but i wouldnt absolutely bet the bank on him. heargraves and carrick and fletcher are good players, but theres not a ton of creativity coming out of them and Owen can barley stay on the pitch. berbatov looked like a shadow of himself; although i do feel he can actually improve with the exit of ronaldo, he needs the ball to be a creative type of forward, problem was there was only so much ball and PT to go around when WR and CR had to be on the pitch. Now that leaves only Wayne as a player thats really can do things next year, question will be can be the no.1 guy. I think yea, but its still a lot of goals to replace, and he hasnt actually been tearing up the goal scoring charts the past couple years (that can be chalked up to him doing whats good for the team and playing out of position for the sake of the system/team, or...maybe hes just not a 40 goal scorer a year...time will tell.)


Manchester also need to start looking for a new goalie, Van der star may still have a good couple years left actually, but at his age sometimes it just goes. They should have stuck with Howard in my opinion. The guy is a beast and more than proved it in the confeds cup.

They could also bring in another quality player in the back. After the starting four, they fall off. I think o'shea is garbage and a liability, same goes for john boy evans. Pip nevell also isnt getting any younger. i like rafael but hes still a bit young and inexperienced.




needless to say they NEED to bring in a new forward. there is talk that benzema is coming in. he is a quality player, and he would do admirably but i feel its going to take some time to get back to where they were.



all that said, as long as liverpool stays healthy next year i feel they have the players to win the title, reguardless of who man u brings in. UNLESS its Villa and possibly but less likely Ribery. However I see almost no way Villa moves to manchester, and a very small and still unlikely possibility that Ribery makes the move.



and thats my manchester united break down as of now.

[Drederick Tatum]

if you don't think Man Utd are going be challengers again then what's your prognosis for a Milan team who not only have lost their manager and are rapidly ageing, but also are apparently going to be relying on Pato, Seedorf, Beckham, Ronaldinho, Pirlo.

AC Milan's loss of Kaka is way bigger than Man Utd losing Ronaldo.

[Guy Incognito]

CYP - why didnt you say all that in the bloody first place. nice post, some good points. Pip nevell? Gary neville you mean, phil playes for everton.

Tim howard was unlucky cos he dropped a few clangers but i think Ben Foster is going to be tried a lot more this season, I reckon capello would play him more for england if he was playing first team football, i think he could be one fo the very best.

[checkyourprez]

CYP - why didnt you say all that in the bloody first place. nice post, some good points. Pip nevell? Gary neville you mean, phil playes for everton.

Tim howard was unlucky cos he dropped a few clangers but i think Ben Foster is going to be tried a lot more this season, I reckon capello would play him more for england if he was playing first team football, i think he could be one fo the very best.

true. my bad, mispoke on the neville bro, i had garys pinner mustache in my head the whole time i promise you.

and how could i take the piss outta you guys if i would have said all that right off the bat?

[checkyourprez]

if you don't think Man Utd are going be challengers again then what's your prognosis for a Milan team who not only have lost their manager and are rapidly ageing, but also are apparently going to be relying on Pato, Seedorf, Beckham, Ronaldinho, Pirlo.

AC Milan's loss of Kaka is way bigger than Man Utd losing Ronaldo.


for starters, we have the biggest talent in world football under 20. PATO. Second i still believe ronaldinho can get back to someone of the player he was a couple years ago. he plan and simple was too heavy last year. you could see it in his face. he used to have opponents shit their pants when he would run at them. last year he would hardly ever run at guys for pace, but i think thats because he wasnt confident in himself, he knew he couldnt do it. they also got really unluck with injurys last year.

they had upwards of 8 first teamers injured at times of the season last year, most at the same time.

marco borriello coming back up top will be a good thing. was third scorer in the serie A 2 years ago at genoa before his injury plagued year at milan last year. we also have the ageless wonder super Pippo inzaghi. he still scores goals. we would like to bring in one more forward. they were looking at the bosnian forward from wolfsburg, adebayour (sp), and hopefully luis fabiano.

im am dissapointed they got rid of gourcuff and not seerdorf. clarence pisses the ball away too much for my liking, and is getting older. pirlo looked great in the confeds cup game vs USA; although that was the first time i have said that in about a year and a half as he has looked like crap for milan within that span. im still a big fan of gattuso and ambrosini although they are getting up there. beckham also played very well when he was on the pitch.

the back is where i would like to see another player or two brought in. last year were missing nesta;one of the best center backs in the world (hopefully still is) for the whole year. they were also missing kaldaze for most of the year (who should not be a starter on a top class team imo, but is an admirable back up). they also brought in brazilian tiago silva (25ish). zambrotta still has it, although is not quite as quick as he was. favali is a joke and needs to retire. oddo is still their property and should be coming back from loan at bayern but im not sure whats going to be done with him. hes ok, but thats about it. loosing maldini is big, he was still very serviceable at the ripe age of 40.

in net, they are ok. abbiati is an above average keeper, and when he went down last year with an acl injury dida actually played pretty well. i would like them to bring in frey or ochoa but i think money should be spent in other areas first.



all in all, finishing 10 points back to a loaded inter team (literally 2 good players per position) especially when they had all those injuries i think was quite good. loosing kaka will be big because he literally can create goals out of nothing. however if ronnie steps up i think we can be just as good if not better. ive always liked ronaldinhos game at his peak over kaka (dont get me wrong i love kaka, but hes just more pace than tricks, plus ronnies passing ability was always superior).

they need to bring in atleast 1 forward, and i would like 1 or 2 more backs. a midfielder would be nice, but not totally necessary. also this all depends on what formation they are going to play. the last 8 years or so it has been a 4-3-2-1. a bit more defensive, but they also had the players to make it work very well. with leonardo coming in and promising a more attacking style of football its to be seen what they will play. they im sure has an influence on who they will bring in.

that said, i look for milan to challenge for the serie A and win the CL. (every year they are in it i look for them to win the CL, realistically i would say reaching the quarter finals would be adequate, where the semis would be very good. anything above that is playing with house money).

[Planetary]

way too much to read there, expecially since its about AC milan

[Guy Incognito]

Cheeky bastards - seriously where are they getting all the money from and i know we have done this to other clubs but i just think they have done this out of spite cos of what fergie said about not selling them a virus. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/8129462.stm)

[checkyourprez]

way too much to read there, expecially since its about AC milan


i got a gang of that shit.

[checkyourprez]

Cheeky bastards - seriously where are they getting all the money from and i know we have done this to other clubs but i just think they have done this out of spite cos of what fergie said about not selling them a virus. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/8129462.stm)


BREAKING NEWS: Lyon Confirm Real Madrid Deal For Karim Benzema


http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/465/france/2009/07/01/1357998/breaking-news-lyon-confirm-real-madrid-deal-for-karim

[camo]

Cheeky bastards - seriously where are they getting all the money from and i know we have done this to other clubs but i just think they have done this out of spite cos of what fergie said about not selling them a virus. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/8129462.stm)

wouldn't it be nice to meet them in the CL and dick all over them? (y)

[Guy Incognito]

wouldn't it be nice to meet them in the CL and dick all over them? (y)

i'd say its inevitable we will get drawn against them at some point in champions league.

[Guy Incognito]

:eek::confused: (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/8131801.stm)

it might work - fergie has done this sort of thing before and its been ok, just think we need to get the wedge out for someone else as well, plus owen is injured a lot

[Freebasser]

Nononono. I do not want that scouse scum playing for our club. I hope he snaps his leg in training and that's the end of him. I would rather lick Rafa's toes than see Michael Owen in a United shirt. In my 24 years on this planet I have never wanted us to not sign a player that we've approached, so I think you can see how much I am against this move.

(n)(n)(n)

[Lex Diamonds]

I've been saying for a few weeks that we should pick up Owen, I know Fergie and I knew he was the kind of player he would be looking for. With Tevez and Ronnie gone and Valencia coming in the shape of the team will change and I can see an Owen-Rooney partnership really flourishing. They need to lead the new generation of young midfielders with some nice sensible, tactical strike play and they are pretty much the perfect pairing for such a job.

Now that Ronaldo is gone it's time for the youngsters to step up to the plate and they're going to need someone with experience to show them the ropes in terms of positioning, persistence, maturity etc. I couldn't care less about the fact he played for Liverpool more than 5 years ago, it's childish to dwell on these things and if anything it will just make it all the more satisfying when he scores against them.

Also, they are talking about paying him on an appearances/goals basis. This negates any issues about him being injury prone and will also encourage him to prove himself (even more than he clearly wants to).

Don't forget Cantona, Sheringham, Larsson (briefly) and others have all arrived in the supposed twilight stages of their careers with a lot to add to the team. Fergie knows what he's doing and to me this seems like a genius move. Whether or not he maintains fitness it's costing us next to nothing so whatever he does do for us is all gravy.

Now let's get a decent attacking midfielder in the squad (and maybe another striker with a bit of pace) and we'll be laughing. (y)

[camo]

Nononono. I do not want that scouse scum playing for our club. I hope he snaps his leg in training and that's the end of him. I would rather lick Rafa's toes than see Michael Owen in a United shirt. In my 24 years on this planet I have never wanted us to not sign a player that we've approached, so I think you can see how much I am against this move.

(n)(n)(n)

Come on sunshine. Imagine Owen wearing banging one in past Reina for us. Does that not sound beautiful to you?

[roosta]

Don't forget Cantona, Sheringham, Larsson (briefly) and others have all arrived in the supposed twilight stages of their careers with a lot to add to the team. Fergie knows what he's doing and to me this seems like a genius move.

I agree with this.

I think its a good move...Owen was 30 goals for 65 starts with Newcastle, he can still turn it on.

[Guy Incognito]

Nononono. I do not want that scouse scum playing for our club. I hope he snaps his leg in training and that's the end of him. I would rather lick Rafa's toes than see Michael Owen in a United shirt. In my 24 years on this planet I have never wanted us to not sign a player that we've approached, so I think you can see how much I am against this move.

(n)(n)(n)

geezer, you are not thinking about this clearly at all. Sure its a risky one but padster is totally right.Owen is class, he's just had a bad run. We dont need him week in week out, he's going to be used as a sub i think, hopefully a super sub. As camo said, he only needs to score one goal at anfield. Or even better, imagine if he is the scorer of the goal that wins us the 19th title. the looks on the mickeys faces would be amazing. I am all for it. (y)

I still think we need to splash some cash but i dont think its imperative that we go all out for a big money striker. Rooney, berbs owen and then you have macheda and wellbeck. might as well give those two a bit of time to flourish to find out if they are good enough before panic buying anyone else.

[Planetary]

solskjaer mk. II?

edit: owen deal just confirmed

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5414037,00.html

[camo]

solskjaer mk. II?

edit: owen deal just confirmed

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5414037,00.html

exactly what I was saying to my granddad earlier (y)

[Guy Incognito]

solskjaer mk. II?

edit: owen deal just confirmed

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5414037,00.html

the more i think about this the more i think its a good move for lots of reasons. just re-read padsters post and its the most amount of sense anyone has made in this thread. But also owen has just been given a great chance and has just been remotivated and determined as much as when he went to Real, he is top class and i think he knows this is a great opportunity.
I think fergie has just given him loads of self belief like he did with dwight yorke. I still dont think he'll play loads or score that many but he will get important goals, he is one of those players, we will make a lot of chances for him. his record in an absolutiely shite newcastle side is still pretty good so i think he can do a good job. it means fuck all that he used to play for liverpool, besides which he was an everton fan anyway, his dad played for them.

[Drederick Tatum]

he's not as quick as he once was, but Owen is clever enough and experienced enough to find a way to pop up in the six yard box when United need him. good move.

[Guy Incognito]

he's not as quick as he once was, but Owen is clever enough and experienced enough to find a way to pop up in the six yard box when United need him. good move.

i think fergie will get the team to adapt, he's done it before, he'll find the most effective way to use mike!

[Guy Incognito]

plus i think he has deserved a big club at the end of his career. he hasnt had the best luck really in the last 5 years and i think he was good enough to deserve a break.

sold by liverpool to pay of houllier and missed out on the european cup, scored a fair few goals at real and got sold anyway to make room for others, went to newcastle who were shit and got injured.

will they give him the number 7 shirt? Its going spare. I can see freebasser swearing very loudly at this post already.

[Freebasser]

The cunt broke Ronny Johnsen's leg. End of.

I will never cheer him, EVER. He could score the winning goal in the Champions League final and I'd still hate him.

[Guy Incognito]

The cunt broke Ronny Johnsen's leg. End of.

I will never cheer him, EVER. He could score the winning goal in the Champions League final and I'd still hate him.

fuckin ell that didnt take long!

i cant remember the challenge that well, i dont remember it being a stinker but i could be wrong.

you need to get over it, he's here now and needs your support.

[Freebasser]

He also lunged at Peter Schmeichel in the same match and was duly sent off for his career-ruining tackle on Johnsen.

Why the FUCK did we sell Saha? Why the FUCK? Saha may have had glass knees, but was 20x faster than this little fucking cunt and Owen is probably the only player in the world more injury prone than Saha.

Sell Owen to Everton and send the little shit back to merseyside, and bring back Louis. (n)(n)(n)

[Guy Incognito]

He also lunged at Peter Schmeichel in the same match and was duly sent off for his career-ruining tackle on Johnsen.

Why the FUCK did we sell Saha? Why the FUCK? Saha may have had glass knees, but was 20x faster than this little fucking cunt and Owen is probably the only player in the world more injury prone than Saha.

Sell Owen to Everton and send the little shit back to merseyside, and bring back Louis. (n)(n)(n)

oh i remember it now. to be fair it was a bad one but i dont think you need to hold that grudge dude. ronny johnsen wont. these things happen in football, its not like owen has a reputation for malicious tackles is it?

I think you are clutching at straws and looking for reasons. no other untied fan on here has been negative at all about the transfer.

i think saha was far more injury prone. on sky sports before they listed owens injuries, and apart from the cruciate he got in the last world cup he has only had about 3 months in 5 seasons and thats a fuck of a lot less than saha.

paddy's point about an experienced goal scorer, a scorer of important goals at the highest level helping the younger ones, including wayne to get better is what this is about. I think its a really good move.

If it comes off and revitalises us then its very refreshing that a free transfer is as important as an £80 million transfer in these times.

I really think you should forget where he came from, if its not a problem for owen then why should it be a problem for anyone else?

[Lex Diamonds]

I agree with Freebasser that Saha had a lot of potential and the pace that we need but he just wasn't tough enough. I did my best to stay faithful and kept cheering him but when Fergie decided he was costing more than he was worth I had to agree. At one point I saw him becoming "our Henry" but he just never quite blossomed.

However you want to look at it, Owen is going to be utterly devoted to the club from now on, and possibly for the rest of his life depending on how well he does. Ferguson doesn't tolerate people without passion for United and Owen is going to be indebted to him for giving him this second chance.

Lest we forget Denis Law was once a Maine Road legend.

[camo]

Lest we forget Denis Law was once a Maine Road legend.


Friggin' back heel (n)

[Lex Diamonds]

We would have been relegated without the backheel, that was a common misconception. They won 1-0, a 0-0 draw would have still seen us go down.

Anyway my point is that true United fans love Denis Law regardless.

[Planetary]

O ye of little faith (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5414530,00.html)

If you can't trust Yakubu, who can you trust?

[Guy Incognito]

However you want to look at it, Owen is going to be utterly devoted to the club from now on, and possibly for the rest of his life depending on how well he does. Ferguson doesn't tolerate people without passion for United and Owen is going to be indebted to him for giving him this second chance.

.

(y)(y)(y)

[camo]

We would have been relegated without the backheel, that was a common misconception. They won 1-0, a 0-0 draw would have still seen us go down.

Anyway my point is that true United fans love Denis Law regardless.

It was still a goal against us regardless. Did you see his face? Poor sod.

He's always gonna be up there though. What a poacher...Owen knows what he needs to do.

[Guy Incognito]

i doubt owen would celebrate too much if he did score against the scousers but i'll be too busy jumping up and down to notice!

[Guy Incognito]

gotta say that ronaldo looks really chuffed in front of all those fans and its nice to see him fulfil a dream and he looks like he's up for it, he's a determined competitor, i think most people dont see that.

although you can get 66-1 on madrid to win fuck all this season. (spanish league, spanish cup and champions league) hmmmm...

newcastle utd are only worth £20 mill more than ronaldo

[Freebasser]

Mind you, Jack Hayward sold Wolves for ten quid a few years back and they're a league above Newcastle now 8|

[Planetary]

Mind you, Jack Hayward sold Wolves for ten quid a few years back and they're a league above Newcastle now 8|

:)

[Planetary]

New Premier League ball? (http://www.expressandstar.com/2009/07/07/wolves-down-under-more-training-pictures/)

may be, maybe not, im just soaking it all up :)

[Guy Incognito]

Manchester United are making no more new signings and Owen was signed on a free transfer after his contract with Newcastle expired.

And the England striker has been handed the number seven shirt - the shirt vacated by Ronaldo.
.

[Freebasser]

You have got to be fucking kidding me.

[Guy Incognito]

You have got to be fucking kidding me.

fraid not dude. its the truth (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/8148073.stm). you think its a bad thing, but no it isnt. there werent many numbers available for start , if it was given to valencia then it puts a shitload of pressure on him. valencia doesnt need that, ( the way some poeple are talking if he doesnt get anywhere near ronaldo's tally he wont be a success, which is bollocks but still best to ease him in)

Owen can handle it, he's experienced. Fergie is showing owen even more confidence in his ability, its cracking motivation. Owen and fergie know this is a big honour and that its risky but if it comes off then its a fucking masterstroke.

AND if he pulls it off then he will be remembered as one of the great united number sevens ahead of being remembered for playing for the twats.

AND if ( i know its a big if ) he does really well he might play for England again, might get close to Bobby Charltons record ( i think he needs 8 goals) which would mean that both of englands highest goal scorers would be united players(y)

And yes i am getting carried away but i think its a good move, i still dont think he will play that many games.

[Drederick Tatum]

Eto'o + 35million for Ibrahimovic?! am I the only one who thinks this is a completely unbalanced deal? there must be some pretty big issues off the field with Eto'o if he's being given away so cheaply.

I have a much higher opinion of him than of Ibrahimovic. he could be a good influence on Barlotelli.

[Guy Incognito]

Eto'o + 35million for Ibrahimovic?! am I the only one who thinks this is a completely unbalanced deal?
I have a much higher opinion of him than of Ibrahimovic..

ibrahimovic is hot and cold, crazy business, not as crazy as this though

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/8149488.stm

its fucking mental, its all about the benjamins. i believe the arsenal fans sent out a brochure for adebayor to all pl clubs like michael owens agent did. hahaha.

speaking of michael owen (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/8157129.stm)

[camo]

Heres the goal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spis76uV8ao). Bit easy but not too bad either.

[Drederick Tatum]

I'm not too bothered he's gone. the amount of chances the team created for him that he didn't put away I don't think greatly endeared him to the fans or even the manager. a strong fast striker with a poacher's instinct would be nice now.

Chamakh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_C3S3Ve_uk) looks decent.

[Drederick Tatum]

that new Man Utd strip looks awful.

[Guy Incognito]

1. good finish, thats what he is going to bring, if we get the ball to him in the box - its going to be on target pretty much every time.
2 its such an exciting signing, i know its divided united fans but its so interesting to see how its going to develop, its made the season exciting before its even started.
3. who the fuck was in goal for malaysia's second? Christ that was a stinker. Ben Foster?

[Guy Incognito]

http://www.mousebreaker.com/games/ronaldo2real/playgame

[Guy Incognito]

adebayor gone now toure, they'll be after the manager next:rolleyes:

[checkyourprez]

adebayor gone now toure, they'll be after the manager next:rolleyes:

naaah.

just their champions league spot.

[Guy Incognito]

naaah.

just their champions league spot.

i still dont think they have what it takes for top 4, maybe another two high profile buys and its a maybe. not sure about hughesy being up to it, but i could be wrong.

[checkyourprez]

i still dont think they have what it takes for top 4, maybe another two high profile buys and its a maybe. not sure about hughesy being up to it, but i could be wrong.


its not just can man city break into it.


its also, does arsenal have enough to maintain its place in the top 4.


if you follow my train.

[Guy Incognito]

depends if arsenal can spend that money wisely or not. i still think they'll do top 4, i dont think those two were that much cop last season. as long as wenger is there i think they'll do well. he's top class manager.

everton got a chance but not if they sell lescott to city.

[ToucanSpam]

Dunno if it's posted or not but are we doing another fantasy league?

[Guy Incognito]

Dunno if it's posted or not but are we doing another fantasy league?

well i doubt it - i think we should but last year everyone gave up cos there was only 6 of us

[Guy Incognito]

van der sar out for 2 month. bring on ben foster

cant wait for season to start now - joined about 7 bloody comps at work, cost me a fucking fortune

[Freebasser]

Burnley embarrassing us :(

[Guy Incognito]

Burnley embarrassing us :(

sounds like we are doing the embarrassing, missed penalty , missed sitters poor team choices. hmmmm. anyway 10 minutes left come on united

[Freebasser]

I was watching a stop-start live stream from Oz, but even from that I could tell we were about as threatening as a soggy parsnip on a stick.

[Guy Incognito]

I was watching a stop-start live stream from Oz, but even from that I could tell we were about as threatening as a soggy parsnip on a stick.

we are missing the cocky portugeezer - no doubt. still we do this most seasons at the start and i think we'll be ok but chelsea are team to beat.

[rirv]

Haha. Can't wait for the press reaction. At least take the spotlight off Liverpool - Tottenham are obviously playing well right now (note 5-1 tonight).

[Guy Incognito]

Haha. Can't wait for the press reaction. At least take the spotlight off Liverpool - Tottenham are obviously playing well right now (note 5-1 tonight).

yeah but spurs are yet to play anyone decent ;)

[rirv]

yeah but spurs are yet to play anyone decent ;)

Neither have Man Utd.;););)

[Guy Incognito]

Neither have Man Utd.;););)

touche

it was always gonna be tough tonight and all the twats at work were like "oh easy game tonight" and i'm thinking "sshh for gods sake", i have had bad feeling all day. shit

[rirv]

Glen Johnson played a blinder tonight, a goal and an assist. If only I'd picked him in the fantasy football. This is the reason we bought him - to add more threat against shit teams who traditionally park the bus.

[Freebasser]

touche

it was always gonna be tough tonight and all the twats at work were like "oh easy game tonight" and i'm thinking "sshh for gods sake", i have had bad feeling all day. shit

Yeah some douche at my office always says "We're gunna win like... 7-0 tonight, mate. No problem. We're awesome" before every. fucking. match.

He is always so surprised the next day whenever we lose, yet sure enough he'll be predicting rugby scores again the next weekend. He also touts Liverpool as being the worst team in the league, despite them coming 2nd last year. No amount of telling him that they came second will convince him otherwise.

I hate 'fans' like that. WUM scum - they give a bad name to proper football fans. But... then again, he is openly racist and is generally on a mental par with a lump of horse shit, so I can't be too surprised.

[Guy Incognito]

Yeah some douche at my office always says "We're gunna win like... 7-0 tonight, mate. No problem. We're awesome" before every. fucking. match.

He is always so surprised the next day whenever we lose, yet sure enough he'll be predicting rugby scores again the next weekend. He also touts Liverpool as being the worst team in the league, despite them coming 2nd last year. No amount of telling him that they came second will convince him otherwise.

I hate 'fans' like that. WUM scum - they give a bad name to proper football fans. But... then again, he is openly racist and is generally on a mental par with a lump of horse shit, so I can't be too surprised.

doesnt sound great but whats worse is the two most negative fans at work i know were slagging us for not being creative enough and that we were shit and i'm there defending us and staying positive and its gonna be worse to see them gloating (oh yes thats how mental they are) than taking all the shit off other teams fans tomorrow

[Drederick Tatum]

one to remember for Burnley. it'll be interesting to see how United react. another average performance and then the pundits will definitely start. I'm still basking in Arsenal's start. 29th August will hopefully be a good game.

[Planetary]

man utd were poo tonight but theyll still do well come april/may.

tottenham look good but why did i take defoe out of my fanasy football team? glad glen johnson played well tho hes in my team :)

also i fucking hate birmingham the jammy cunts. a 92nd minute dodgy penalty. always the same for that shit team and their everybody's-fault-but-mine manager.

also wolves off the mark with a win at wigan. get in.

[Lex Diamonds]

...also Wolves are gay and United rule. We felt sorry for Burnley and thought we'd give Chelsea a sporting chance this season.

ps
Wigan are shit, I bet we beat them 4-0.

[Planetary]

...also Wolves are gay and United rule. We felt sorry for Burnley and thought we'd give Chelsea a sporting chance this season.

ps
Wigan are shit, I bet we beat them 4-0.

ps lick my nuts ill see you at old trafford

[Planetary]

FOOTBALL FOOTBALL FOOTBALL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF_uOgyBK1c&feature=related)

[roosta]

there's been some cracking goals this season already...

As much as it pains me Defoe's hatrick was sublime...and Blakes against United was a cracker.

It's faaaar to early to make any predictions...people talking about Spurs challenging....i'll admit they look nice but it's spurs...they will fall to bits...

United do however look lost without Ronnie.

And Liverpool....calm down.....it was Stoke...

[rirv]

And Liverpool....calm down.....it was Stoke...

When your team gets pilloried for losing one (1, une, uno, un, ein, a single, a solitary, a lone) match and written out of any kind of contention for a season and they respond by thumping a team they didn't score against last season, you get a little bit excited and want to stick two fingers up at everyone. Especially when Man Utd lost to Burnley.

Anyway, it's Ashes time.

[Planetary]

Excited about todays list of fixtures. mainly because we've got man city away which is one of the fixtures i was excited about. unfortunately i cant go cause i couldnt get work off.

i think we're capable of a draw against their slightly weakened attack. up the wolves!

[ToucanSpam]

Tottenham won two games, they need to calm down and return to the middle of the pack. They will only be good if Defoe scores a hat trick every game, and he won't. They're nothing.

Today it's Portsmouth. I predict a clean sheet.

[Drederick Tatum]

Arsenal 4 Portsmouth 1. Man Utd 5 Wigan 0. some big scores so far this season. Big Four thrashing everyone else, a sign of things to come?

[Guy Incognito]

Wigan are shit, I bet we beat them 4-0.

one out paddy.

5-0 get in , all 3 forwards got goals. cant fucking wait for motd

[Freebasser]

Paddy was right.

It was 4-0.

Incidentally, I watched it streamed off a South African TV channel, and all the adverts starred either all black people or all white people. Sad :(

[Guy Incognito]

Paddy was right.

It was 4-0.

ffs , get over it and get behind your team

and football first on sky - we are the half eight game.(y)

[Freebasser]

I am behind my team. 'He' is not part of it.

[rirv]

Haha, no one likes Michael Owen.

Out of interest, where do you get your streams for games from?

[Guy Incognito]

I am behind my team. 'He' is not part of it.

I'm sorry but if you think that then i think you are being a bit of a richard, whatever gripes you have with the man are all irrelevant now. Its gone and none of it can be altered.

Michael seems to be trying his very best to do well for his team and his new supporters. Its fair comment that he might not be the force he was but if he's trying hard to prove he's good enough then you should at least give him time and the benefit of the doubt.

[Freebasser]

I use Iraq Goals (http://iraqgoals.net/).

It streams JustinTV videos that magically don't get taken off air. Some of them are almost TV quality, but they do have a tendency to die and need a couple of refreshes every 20 mins in order to get them going again. No biggie, although I did miss Berbatov's goal today because of a refresh :(

[Planetary]

all the pubs where i live are showing games that arent on in england via italian sky. its good but i didnt realise wolves were on yesterday and missed it :(

[camo]

Wolves were very unlucky the other day. I was hoping that they'd do em in.

[Planetary]

i'd say we were unlucky not to score but i wouldnt say we deserved anything from the game. city should of been clear in the first half. saying that i really thought we'd get a point based on our second half performance.

[roosta]

I am behind my team. 'He' is not part of it.

POP QUIZ:

Imagine it is the final day of the 09/10 season. Manchester United need 3 points to win the league. Up pops Michael Owen and scores the only goal of the game. 1-0 to Manchester United, and the English Premier League trophy goes to the Red Devils.

What do you do? WHAT DO YOU DO?

[Guy Incognito]

POP QUIZ:

Imagine it is the final day of the 09/10 season. Manchester United need 3 points to win the league. Up pops Michael Owen and scores the only goal of the game. 1-0 to Manchester United, and the English Premier League trophy goes to the Red Devils.

What do you do? WHAT DO YOU DO?

freebasser puts words on plate, gets knife and fork and eats them


might not have to wait that long, what if he scores at anfield in october?

[rirv]

If he scores at Anfield, Torres will score three.

[Freebasser]

POP QUIZ:

Imagine it is the final day of the 09/10 season. Manchester United need 3 points to win the league. Up pops Michael Owen and scores the only goal of the game. 1-0 to Manchester United, and the English Premier League trophy goes to the Red Devils.

What do you do? WHAT DO YOU DO?

Answer: Leagues are won over a whole season, not on the last day. Leagues are won with scrappy 1-0 away wins in the pissing rain in January and [insert other clichés here]. Jumpers for goalposts, hmmm? No doubt the team in second threw away points on the final day too, making 'his' goal surplus to requirements.

[Guy Incognito]

Answer: Leagues are won over a whole season, not on the last day. Leagues are won with scrappy 1-0 away wins in the pissing rain in January and [insert other clichés here]. Jumpers for goalposts, hmmm? No doubt the team in second threw away points on the final day too, making 'his' goal surplus to requirements.

Now are you just doing this thinking you are winding people up? i'm not wound up, i'm disappointed. after numerous well informed comments about the game you have made ,i respected your opinion on football but now i think your being a massive richard about the whole thing.

Was that you at the wigan game who gave MICHAEL the finger when OWEN went to the united supporters after his wonderfully taken goal?

Plus if you are just discounting MICHAEL OWEN because he played for liverpool then you might as well discount everything matt busby did for us cos he played for the buggers as well.

[roosta]

I'm going to go back and work out every goal Sol Campbell stopped, reinstate them, work out how many points it cost Arsenal then uncelebrate winning the 2003-2004 league...

[Freebasser]

A few low sense of humour meters in here for sure.

I do not like Michael Owen. You cannot say that if your club signed a player you truly hated that you would be happy. My list comprises Carragher, Gerrard, Owen, Drogba, Lampard, Terry and Viera - all players I was sure we'd never sign, up until Owen that is.

I have a right to hate the little ratty cunt - he is on my shitlist. If I loved everything my club did, then I'd be a puppet. I'm not going to start liking him because Fergie signed him. I will put up with him scoring if it is the winning goal, but I am not going to go out of my to celebrate it.

Fuck, why am I even defending myself?

[rirv]

The question about him scoring the winning goal on the last day of the season is a moot point anyway: he'll be injured before March.

[Guy Incognito]

A few low sense of humour meters in here for sure.

no - you have categorically stated he doesnt exist with no smilies or hints you were taking an ounce of piss.

I do not like Michael Owen. You cannot say that if your club signed a player you truly hated that you would be happy. My list comprises Carragher, Gerrard, Owen, Drogba, Lampard, Terry and Viera - all players I was sure we'd never sign, up until Owen that is..

i wasnt estactic about alan smith signing but i got over it and backed him all the way. Its the manager i am backing and if he signs a player i hate (nobody on that list btw) then i get behind the managers decision cos he is the fucking man. all those players mentioned with the exception of carragher are world class and i would have them at united.

I have a right to hate the little ratty cunt - he is on my shitlist. If I loved everything my club did, then I'd be a puppet. I'm not going to start liking him because Fergie signed him. I will put up with him scoring if it is the winning goal, but I am not going to go out of my to celebrate it...

fair do's but i have the right to challenge you about it, i just dont get that you wont enjoy the look on liverpools fans faces if he is successful cos despite what they say they are pig sick he's at united and not back at thier place, cos they had the chance apparently.

Fuck, why am I even defending myself?

i'm glad you have cos i wont have a go now as long as you dont refer to michael as "him" or discount goals he's scored. just celebrate the win and say nothing about owen.

EDIT - forget what i said about not having a go as i am still pissed off

[roosta]

don't count me on the low humour meter list, i was only yankin' your chain.

[Guy Incognito]

right well i'd rather have no sense of humour than back track on what i said.

Freebasser see his arse about owen

freebasser gets challenged on it

freebasser sticks grumpily to his guns

freebasser gets challenged a bit more with a bit more humour this time

freebasser then in the turnaround of the century decides he was joking a bit making out others are taking him too seriously

do me a fucking favour

EDIT: yes i am in a bad mood, yes i am a bit wound up , no i dont care

[checkyourprez]

liverpool :D:D:D:D

[Planetary]

right well i'd rather have no sense of humour than back track on what i said.

Freebasser see his arse about owen

freebasser gets challenged on it

freebasser sticks grumpily to his guns

freebasser gets challenged a bit more with a bit more humour this time

freebasser then in the turnaround of the century decides he was joking a bit making out others are taking him too seriously

do me a fucking favour

EDIT: yes i am in a bad mood, yes i am a bit wound up , no i dont care

ok at first i thought freebasser was being a bit of a tit, now you're being a massive tit and freebasser seems less of a tit. you need to start smoking weed again...

[checkyourprez]

its perfectly legit to hate a player on your team.

i fucking hated gilardino when he was on milan. i still hate that worthless p.o.s. now. but its because he sucks cock, not because of who he is really.

which is why i dont really get about the owen thing. its not like you personally know him. when he scores you goals your going to want to give him blowys on the inside regardless of what you say on the outside. you knows it.




and on another note, how can you hate half of the players on your national team? that seems a bit odd to me.

[ToucanSpam]

Why is everyone getting their knickers in a twist? Let's talk about football instead of "taking the piss" out of Freebasser. He can hate anyone he likes on his team! I personally hate all of the Red Devils.:D

[Guy Incognito]

you need to start smoking weed again...


you got any?:D

right then, i was a bit pissed off yesterday after people accused me of having a sense of humour failure when i wasnt the one who originally chucked all the toys out of the pram.
Anyhoo, it appears i am in the minority and that its never going to get resolved so:

*offers to shake freebs hand and agree to disagree*

Matter done with.

I'm not changing me avatar tho as i believe the man needs some support.

[Guy Incognito]

in other news:

From united we stand fanzine letters page:

When united play at anfield this season, I'm going to get a seat in the kop end. When the bloke next to me starts singing "You'll Never Walk Alone" loudly, I'm going to ask him to sing something else that i like. When he refuses I will administer three swift uppercuts to his chin just in case he tries to attack me and while a civil disturbance may ensue I'm failry confident a liverpool court will find me innocent.

:D

[Planetary]

you got any?:D

always (lb)

[Guy Incognito]

united very lucky yesterday - good game tho, and wenger was a brilliant sport at the end, that was really funny, ref went a bit far sending him off. it was a good decision by the linesman tho.

[roosta]

mad game at Old Trafford.

Alot of positives to take from an Arsenal fan's perspective. We are a different team to the one that got beaten in the Champion's League Semis. Gallas is a new man, Diaby has grown in stature, Song too.

But the penalty situation is mind boggling. Eduardo dived mid-week, no Arsenal fan is going to argue that nor defend it. He fell over for no reason.

Rooney fell over, but mad contact with the keeper. Yet, he was falling before the contact. So the contact did not cause the fall. Hence, he dived. By the letter of the law, he gets a peno. But its not cause and effect, he dived first.

But before that, Foster quite clearly clattered Arshavin, yet nothing.

Now Eduardo is villain number one (any one see Ashley Young dive in mid-week? Arsenal fans sure remember Ryan Babel falling over in a CL QF 2 years ago....) The inconsitency is mad.

End of the day, we lost, but we can take alot of positives from the performance.

Finally, is anything going to be done about United fans and that song?

[Guy Incognito]

Finally, is anything going to be done about United fans and that song?

genuinely not sure what song you are on about - is it one about wenger and the allegations of him messing with young people?

i dont agree with that one, its wrong, i heard one about adebaoyr the other day that i think originates from spurs fans about washing elephants that is pretty dispicable

[Drederick Tatum]

Arsenal were definitely unlucky to not get anything out of the game. Man Utd were really rather poor and if Foster hadn't made the save of the season so far against Van Persie then I don't think they would've been able to come back from 0-2 down. ah well.

for me, diving has always been a matter of degrees. almost all penalty shouts involve the attacking player not really trying his hardest to play on. if anyone thinks these highly trained athletes can't hurdle or make their way out of a challenge like Aluminia's on Rooney then they're deluded. like any veteran though, Rooney went looking for contact knowing Mike Dean loves to blow his whistle. his first touch was atrocious and gave him no chance at a goal scoring opportunity, but that was plan B anyway.

on the other end, Fletcher flies in wildly, clearly handles the ball, disrupting an otherwise dangerous attack, but nothing. the pitfalls of playing the champions at home I suppose.

I'm still not convinced by some of the Arsenal youngsters. Song is an athlete, but in my mind he's pretty raw still. average first touch, poor distribution and decision making. the energy that Arsenal's midfield displayed was good, but some class would've definitely put the game out of reach.
I guess that's why Fabregas is so crucial to this team - not only because of his actual skills but for the confidence he inspires in his young team-mates and that he lifts the burden of playmaking from people like Denilson and Diaby. with him on the field they can concentrate on closing down, making the right decisions, and not making mistakes.

anyway, good that football season is back on.

[checkyourprez]

eduardo suspended for 2 CL games for that faggoty dive against celtic.


i am very happy about that. wouldnt have minded a 3 or 4 game ban actually. if theres contact, i dont have a problem with a little embellishment. but what he did was outright garbage.

[Freebasser]

It's outright garbage that somebody got singled out for diving and given a two match ban, when 20 other fuckers dive week in week out without anyone batting an eyelid (I'm looking at you, Didier).

[rirv]

You're full of shit and so is UEFA. If the ref had spotted it he would have got a yellow card at most. These dives go on all the time and occasionally get rewarded with a penalty. Celtic are the pussyoles here, crying and whinging like they were going to win the tie, even though they were 2-0 down already and could only manage one goal in 180 minutes of play.

This sets a ridiculous precedent whereby every incident could be retrospectively punished via video evidence, even though UEFA and FIFA refuse to use video evidence during game play.

I hope everytime a Celtic player goes down without contact from now on they receive a two-match ban. I'm sure Celtic fans will agree, no?

I don't even like Arsenal but totally agree with everything Wenger has said on the issue.

[Freebasser]

This sets a ridiculous precedent whereby every incident could be retrospectively punished via video evidence, even though UEFA and FIFA refuse to use video evidence during game play.


This (y)

Also...

I hope everytime a Celtic player goes down without contact from now on they receive a two-match ban. I'm sure Celtic fans will agree, no?

...Aiden McGeady was sent off for diving at the weekend. LOL!

[checkyourprez]

This sets a ridiculous precedent whereby every incident could be retrospectively punished via video evidence, even though UEFA and FIFA refuse to use video evidence during game play.


couldnt disagree more. i think it sets a great precedent. the precedent being...dont be a diving cheat. it will make a guy think twice before he tries to pull some shit like that if he knows he can be retroactively suspended.

whats the difference between someone not being caught outright punching someone and then being suspended upon video evidence after the fact?

like i said, there are times when embellishment is needed to show the referee there was a foul. its hard with the pace of the game and him only being one man on such a large field that he will miss fouls without that being done. but going down, with no contact, is shit.

just like that patrick vieara dive a couple years ago. like blatantly bad dives. ronaldo was bad with it. drogba was bad (although a bit better now). im saying they all should get it.

[Planetary]

whats the difference between diving and commiting an intentional foul to avoid an attack from the opposition. they're both 'cheating' if thats what you want to call it.

i dont really call it cheating, it's more like bad gamesmanship. no different than running the ball into the corners and holding it there to waste time.

if a punishment like this occured every time someone broke the rules it would ruin the game. play would be very subdued.

[checkyourprez]

^your speaking of a professional foul.

big difference.


running the ball into the corner is just smart playing as well, theres no difference between that and just working the ball around, when the balls in your posession who cares what you do with it, its up to the other team to take it from you. embellishment on a foul, again, just smart playing too.


but going down, and "earning" a goal like that is shit. honestly what is the biggest complain about football today?

people being divers and pussies. i think this helps put a bit of a fear into some.

[checkyourprez]

and when ronaldinho tried to pull some bullshit like that in the inter game this weekend i yelled at him (well the tv) just like i would anyone else who tries that cheap shit.

[Planetary]

^your speaking of a professional foul.

big difference.


running the ball into the corner is just smart playing as well, theres no difference between that and just working the ball around, when the balls in your posession who cares what you do with it, its up to the other team to take it from you. embellishment on a foul, again, just smart playing too.


but going down, and "earning" a goal like that is shit. honestly what is the biggest complain about football today?


it's gaining an advantage by knowingly and intentionally breaking the rules.

what eduardo did was just poorly executed. have a look at wayne rooney's dive against arsenal. he was thinking the same thing as soon as the keeper came off his line, but executed it better, hence the contact with his thigh about 4 inches off the ground (lol).

i take it you're hoping ronaldinho gets banned?

[rirv]

I don't think there is any dispute over the fact that diving is bad. It is. It's underhand and a shit way to try and win a game.

The problem with banning Eduardo is that UEFA have done it arbitrarily and without any kind of warning. If they had said they were going to clamp down and from now on we'll be reviewing games and banning players then there would be a justification. However, it seems that because of pressure from the Scottish contingent within UEFA they've decided to make an example of Eduardo without any reference to a wider campaign.(n)

[Planetary]

yeah i agree i'm just trying to say it shouldn't be any more punishable than a few other aspects of football.

[Guy Incognito]

i dont agree with punishment after the event, i mean eduardo's dive want even the worst i saw this week, that award goes to Eboue.
But punsihing after the event is hypocritical especially when they wouldnt entertain abidal or fletcher's appeals in last years CL semis.

[roosta]

rirv pretty much summed it up.

[Guy Incognito]

speaking of eduardo - this seems a bit much doesnt it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/8231105.stm

[paul jones]

It makes you question the ridiculous amounts of money some players get at the top level when they can get injured in a second.the 'fun' of the game has vanished completley.The majority of high earners in the game have got the personalities of a house brick.

[Guy Incognito]

terrible news for chelsea:D

[roosta]

UEFA are utter cunts.

They've announced they are not going to continue with the policy they used to ban Eduardo. That is fucking insane.

It should be the same rule for all or none.

They opened a can of worms and they're not willing to deal with it.

Pricks.

[Freebasser]

Platini is a cunt.

He just hates English football :(

[checkyourprez]

gordon banks and i are on the same page...


"That evidence is now portrayed the following day and they see that he's not been touched or he's thrown himself for a penalty or whatever, then that man's got to be banned for the rest of the season," he asserted, speaking to Sky Sport News today.

"Not just a match or a little fine by whoever. He's got to be banned. And then the manager will say, 'Look, you guys, I don't want you doing that'."


thats what im talking about baby.



and that does suck the big one for chelsea. they better win the PL this year or it might be a bit. its going to be hard with no reinforcements for 2 consecutive windows. (wouldnt be surprised if it gets reduced to 1).

[roosta]

Rather than set a precedent that UEFA are determined to follow, the charge and subsequent banning of Eduardo is thus set to remain an arbitrary one-off, principally motivated by what The Times calls an 'unfortunate series of coincidences'. It would appear, as F365 reported at the time, that Eduardo has only been singled out because he committed his dive in a match against Scottish opponents broadcast on free-for-all television on a day of the week when no other high-profile games were being played.

.

[checkyourprez]

.

thats gay.


gordon and i should run eufa.

[roosta]

thats gay.


gordon and i should run eufa.

yes!

I would like to see UEFA run with a bit more of a passive-aggressive homophobic streak...

*fingers crossed*

[checkyourprez]

O my friend how manchester would pay if i was running things. they would pay! (http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/465/france/2009/09/04/1480289/manchester-united-under-scanner-for-paul-pogba-signing)


either way, i hope they pay.

[rirv]

It's a good job you support a team with immpeccable morals who never set a foot wrong, cyp.

Except for that time Milan fixed a few matches...

...but at least they got the right punishment: relegation, points deducted, lengthy bans for all involved, chairman sacked...

...oh hang on Berlusconi's in charge, so most of the punishment got dropped and Milan ended up being allowed back into Europe and won the European Cup...

...but at least they'd pay for their transgressions if you were in charge of UEFA right?

[roosta]

zing a ding!

[checkyourprez]

It's a good job you support a team with immpeccable morals who never set a foot wrong, cyp.

Except for that time Milan fixed a few matches...

...but at least they got the right punishment: relegation, points deducted, lengthy bans for all involved, chairman sacked...

...oh hang on Berlusconi's in charge, so most of the punishment got dropped and Milan ended up being allowed back into Europe and won the European Cup...

...but at least they'd pay for their transgressions if you were in charge of UEFA right?

we are not talking about milan here. we are talking about the filthy dirty manchesturians.

and one more outburst like that rirv and you will be banned from posting for 2 days!!!

[Freebasser]

About time (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/8236689.stm) (y)

[Guy Incognito]

surprised no gooners have commented on the weekends incident, adebayor was a bit silly, i reckon he'll get two games for the stamp but they better not punish him for running to the crowd cos he got a yellow for that. just hope he's banned for the derby!

[roosta]

Adebayor is a cunt, and any Gooner would have told you that pre-Saturday.

But what he did was ridiculous...just extremely nasty/silly.

I'd deffo ban him for the stamp. As for the celebration, if there's a precident or a rule, sure, red card him. It was daft.

[rirv]

Adebayor was single handedly responsible for the behaviour of those Arsenal fans who stampeded down the stand, threw food and seats around and knocked a steward unconcious. Didn't he know that Arsenal fans are not responsible for their behaviour when a player they have taunted and abused when he was at their club acts like an idiot? These grown men literally cannot control themselves when faced with another grown man sliding on his knees.

Meh, he got a yellow card, leave it at that.

[checkyourprez]

if anything maybe what he did to the fifiman van p could be looked at in hindsight as a bit dirty.

but the celebration is pure fun. you boo a man when hes on your team, then he leaves and scores on you, what the eff do you think hes going to do?

he earned that celebration in my opinion.

arsenal = 5th place.

[Planetary]

if anything maybe what he did to the fifiman van p could be looked at in hindsight as a bit dirty.

but the celebration is pure fun. you boo a man when hes on your team, then he leaves and scores on you, what the eff do you think hes going to do?

he earned that celebration in my opinion.

arsenal = 5th place.

ok so to sum up.

diving: warrants a ban

malicious stamp on someone's face: a bit dirty

[checkyourprez]

ok so to sum up.

diving: warrants a ban

malicious stamp on someone's face: a bit dirty

its not a pussies game, its a mans game.

[Planetary]

its not a pussies game, its a mans game.

so men stamp on each other's faces?

got it.

[checkyourprez]

so men stamp on each other's faces?

got it.


i dont agree with it, but in the heat of battle, things happen. addy was clearly already full of adrenaline in that game for numerous reasons. and to be frank if adebayor doesnt move his leg out of the way thats a pretty dangerous and reckless tackle coming right for his ankle.

diving should be left to those in the pool and has no part of football.

[Planetary]

i dont agree with it, but in the heat of battle, things happen. addy was clearly already full of adrenaline in that game for numerous reasons. and to be frank if adebayor doesnt move his leg out of the way thats a pretty dangerous and reckless tackle coming right for his ankle.

diving should be left to those in the pool and has no part of football.

theres no excuse for stamping on someones face during a game of football or otherwise.

[checkyourprez]

theres no excuse for stamping on someones face during a game of football or otherwise.


you need to bring your inside voice before i throw you outside.


van p could have broke his ankle if he doesn't jump (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22tGc4OXHWk)

[Planetary]

there's a difference between a mistimed, maybe rash challenge, and that stamp.

although on the other hand... (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare)

[checkyourprez]

there's a difference between a mistimed, maybe rash challenge, and that stamp.

although on the other hand... (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare)

to slow hoe.

[roosta]

its not a pussies game, its a mans game.

stepping on someones face during a game is a pussy-move.

Hard-tackling, fine.

Stepping on a face?

bitch move.

[checkyourprez]

stepping on someones face during a game is a pussy-move.

Hard-tackling, fine.

Stepping on a face?

bitch move.


diving is...?

[Planetary]

diving is...?

why are you still trying? you're wrong.

[checkyourprez]

why are you still trying? you're wrong.

why are you still sucking cock and trying to defend divers?

[Planetary]

why are you still sucking cock and trying to defend divers?

who said anything about diving? you're just changing the topic because you're wrong.

wrong.

[camo]

3 MATCH BAN

[roosta]

diving is...?

a bitch move, but i never claimed it wasn't, and i never will. inexcusable.

stop changing the subject.

[checkyourprez]

who said anything about diving? you're just changing the topic because you're wrong.

wrong.



not really. it was my argument from the beginning you square head.


your just not recognizing it now because arsenal is full of diving pussies.

[checkyourprez]

what do ya know, man u gets an extra minute and a half over the 4 minutes of injury time to score the game winner at ot.


citeh for the title.

[camo]

If you had Match of the Day you'd know that actually United only got an extra second.

But yet again, another quality post to the thread.

[paul jones]

hahahahahahahahahahaha fuck you city!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[camo]

Also, can Craig Belamy be not stop being such a twat?

Slapping camera men away after scoring a goal and swinging at the guy who invaded the pitch (who was at the time being held by a few security folk). (http://www.goal.com/en/news/article-image?id=56461)

What a knob.

"I seem to recall Brian Clough clipping someone around the ear and he was lauded as a national hero. Maybe it will be the same case with Craig but I doubt it."

You'd think so though wouldn't you? Tut.

[Planetary]

Prepare to be knocked out of the carling cup!

[camo]

Don't be daft. We're playing you! :D

[Planetary]

Don't be daft. We're playing you! :D

i was gonna go but £41 for a reserve match? no thanks, ill wait for the league fixture...

still, i know a lot of utd fans so should be fun.

also, good win for us today against a decent fulham side :)

[camo]

Bloody hell mate, that's pretty steep. Especially as It's certain Fergie will put out an under strength team so you're right about the reserves bit.

Yeah it was a good game for you guys, especially as it's your first home win. A nice confidence builder (y)

[checkyourprez]

If you had Match of the Day you'd know that actually United only got an extra second.

But yet again, another quality post to the thread.


i didnt get to see the game, im just going by what a goal.com article said.

they had 4 minutes of extra time on the board. and played 5 and a half. just enough time for man u'er to win it.

[camo]

Bellemy's goal celebration, pitch invasion and late substitution all added on those precious last few minutes.

[Drederick Tatum]

^exactly...and it's a MINIMUM of 4 minutes of extra time. there's no bias/conspiracy here.

[Drederick Tatum]

Also, can Craig Belamy be not stop being such a twat?


I think no is the answer. if only his wits were as quick as his little legs.

I hope he gets a lengthy ban.

[roosta]

LOL at the BBC doing up the sums.

City can have no complaints...timing the goal celebration to 45 seconds makes no difference, the referee can't be expected to check every single thing down to the second...add a minute on.

What a game though.

I think I hate City more than any club now. Good work!

[Planetary]

Bloody hell mate, that's pretty steep. Especially as It's certain Fergie will put out an under strength team so you're right about the reserves bit.

Yeah it was a good game for you guys, especially as it's your first home win. A nice confidence builder (y)

we've got first teamers who have only just started training from injuries and i think theyre the people who'll be playing on wednesday. the likes of ebanks-blake.

i expect united will be putting out the jonny evanses and darron gibsons and federico machedas.

[Guy Incognito]

i was gonna go but £41 for a reserve match? no thanks, ill wait for the league fixture...

still, i know a lot of utd fans so should be fun.

also, good win for us today against a decent fulham side :)

a fellow utd fan offered me 2 tickets for that match for £30 for both so they must be fleecing you lot.


what a game yesterday. loads of talking points.

am made up for michael owen.

freeb, i know i said i wouldnt go on but just wanted to know how, if at all , you celebrated the winner. I'm not gonna gloat or whinge , i'm just interested if you stuck to your principles or did it all go out of the window.

[Planetary]

yeah we are. its a bit cheeky really but what can you do. you have 75000 seats to fill we have 5/6 so.

either way should be an entertaining evening.

at first yesterday i was fed up at man united for the time added on thing, but in fairness after watching MOTD i stood corrected and all was forgiven.

good game as well (y)

also craig bellamy is the most annoying man in football

[camo]

Best Manchester derby in years.

I'm glad MoTD did the time thing. I wasn't looking forward to reading this mornings papers or hearing it from all of the dirty Leeds fans in my studio.

[Planetary]

what a fucking shit game yesterday. atleast we've got portsmouth on saturday...

[Drederick Tatum]

RVP has the best first touch in English football. http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/3503075/

[Guy Incognito]

heres a teaser for you - not easy.

since the PL started in 92 there have been 7 players who have played for 2 of the big 4 PL teams AND a La Liga side.

Can you name them.

(Clue: one of the players played for a liga side before PL was formed)
You are looking for:

2 Englishman
1 Welshman
3 Frenchman
1 Dutchman

and if you can name the clubs they all played for even better

[camo]

Hold on, shouldn't it be three Englishmen?

Michael Owen, David Beckham and Steven McManaman all played in the 'big four' and in La Liga.

[Guy Incognito]

Hold on, shouldn't it be three Englishmen?

Michael Owen, David Beckham and Steven McManaman all played in the 'big four' and in La Liga.

No

since the PL started in 92 there have been 7 players who have played for 2 of the big 4 PL teams AND a La Liga side.



beckham and mcmanaman only played for one of the big four.

owen is correct, six to go

[Planetary]

Hold on, shouldn't it be three Englishmen?

Michael Owen, David Beckham and Steven McManaman all played in the 'big four' and in La Liga.

2 big four teams, not one.

i can think of michael owen, and nicholas anelka (i think).

[camo]

Oh shit I misread it :rolleyes:

[Planetary]

mark hughes

[Guy Incognito]

2 big four teams, not one.

i can think of michael owen, and nicholas anelka (i think).

mark hughes

correctamundo

4 to go

2 frenchman - 1 is retired, 1 still playing
1 englishman - still playing
1 dutchman - havent got a clue where if at all this guy is playing now

[camo]

Nope I was wrong

[Guy Incognito]

Gallas?

i dont know how to write the sound the computer made in family fortunes but that is wrong.

answers at full time in the champions league matches tonight

[camo]

Yeah He went straight to the prem via Marseilles.

I'm stumped.