why women are jealous of other women

[Dorothy Wood]

because men will put up with the most banal conversation ever if the chick is hot and wearing barely any clothes.

tonight I got caught up in a waiting game because some dumb slut wanted to bang one of my dude friends...and I couldn't even tell which one. we had a plan to make music after the party that was going on, and this fucking chick, this boring boring slut would not fucking leave and they just put up with it. well, one of my friends left because he was mad that there were still people at the party and wanted just the close friends to stay late night.

and after that, I made some tea, but then that girl would not leave and I started to feel like I was in competition, but then I felt grossed out that she probably thought I was competing with her. but all I wanted to do is get high and play some music, and she turned me into a lady-hating jerk.

anyway, I left, she can have them. I'm gonna be so mad if they stayed up and played music anyway though. :mad:



besides that, it is really strange to see girls hit on guys you've known for along time and you know how dorky and weird they are.


anyway, I talked to a dude about violin restoration for a really long time tonight. longer than necessary, but the first 10 minutes were interesting.

[Dorothy Wood]

ha ha, I just read that back and it seems so "dear diary". oh well.

[Dorothy Wood]

ha! the guy the young lady seemed to want more just posted something on facebook. which means he had to have left like 2 minutes after I did.

I win! nobody had fun! ha!

[ms.peachy]

Social conditioning. Boys are socialised to compete with eachother based on athletic prowess and financial success; girls on physical attractiveness and attention from men. It's all too easy to get caught up in, but when you find yourself in a situation like that, if you can recognise it for what it is you can decide whether or not you want to play the game.

[Audio.]

yep. errr for the most part. eh doesn't matter.

[funk63]

Guys like girls for their looks, girls like guys for their status.
Also, men are rational creatures and women are emotional creatures.

Oh and women are dumb and boring.

[jabumbo]

i think violin restoration is cool.... :(

[RobMoney$]

Oh and women are dumb and boring.


Don't forget crazy psychos

[Randetica]

Oh and women are dumb and boring.

only in most cases

[Guy Incognito]

to be honest , throwing a party and then waiting for most people to go isnt much of a plan, i've tried that shit and it never works out that way - there's always a few randommers left and evryone else is usualy too bollocksed to make a deal out of it so you end up stuck with them.

[paul jones]

Why do violins need restoration? They only make a squeaky noise.

[Nuzzolese]

How do you know that the guy wanted her to leave, and you to stay? Why are you happy that no one had fun? It sounds bitter. You seem pretty proud of the fact that you were above chasing after a man...on this particular occasion. But you've been the one trying to get with the guy before, you've been in her place in the past, looking with disdain at other girls. Were you the annoying slut who wouldn't leave, or is that something only boring people can be? Maybe she thought you were boring. She might have thought you were one of those girls who is "friends" with every guy, always there, always a threat. You know the one: She's never the girlfriend but you have to wonder, if she's always around those guys, maybe something happened once or they want it to happen again and let's face it, they're guys, so they're bound to think of her that way sooner or later. I'm just speculating.

[b i o n i c]

i dont know about this thread, but i wil say, yeah generally speaking women are fucking cunts to each other in a way dudes are not.

[Dorothy Wood]

How do you know that the guy wanted her to leave, and you to stay? Why are you happy that no one had fun? It sounds bitter. You seem pretty proud of the fact that you were above chasing after a man...on this particular occasion. But you've been the one trying to get with the guy before, you've been in her place in the past, looking with disdain at other girls. Were you the annoying slut who wouldn't leave, or is that something only boring people can be? Maybe she thought you were boring. She might have thought you were one of those girls who is "friends" with every guy, always there, always a threat. You know the one: She's never the girlfriend but you have to wonder, if she's always around those guys, maybe something happened once or they want it to happen again and let's face it, they're guys, so they're bound to think of her that way sooner or later. I'm just speculating.


oh, I didn't say they wanted her to leave, I'm just saying she was a boring name-dropper who no one would even talk to if she wasn't cute. I called her a slut because she was wearing very tight white hot pants and a loose-weave lace tunic with a nude-colored bra and was dancing provocatively with men. it was her going away party, I think she just wanted to make out with someone.

I was just pissed because I really want to make music, and it's been a long time since I've been able to jam (I hate this word, but I don't know what else to call it). usually with these guys it happens late night and I have already gone home because I have to work all the time and I'm too old to get less than 7 hours sleep and still function.

anyway, I'm just saying, one guy left because he was mad that it couldn't just be the inner circle of friends. he was tired of waiting for that girl's obnoxious friends to leave. they kept falling on the ground and saying, "oh my god, we're going to die" because they were on drugs or something, I don't know, it was annoying. they were young though, whatever.

you can speculate all you want. I don't hang on people and try to get laid at parties. and that's mainly why I left (also the sun was coming up), because I didn't want her to think I was hanging around trying to get laid. I just wanted to jam. :(


and as I said before, the one dude who she had been flirting with more heavily must've left about 2 minutes after I did. which made me feel better because that means they didn't jam so I didn't miss it. that's all.


sheesh.

[Nuzzolese]

Is this thread about how boring and competitive girls can be, or is it about how simple and predictable dudes are for putting up with banal conversation if a girl is hot and scantily clad?

[Nuzzolese]

she was a boring name-dropper who no one would even talk to if she wasn't cute.


I guess she's aware of the first line of your original post.

[monkey]

Maybe she thought you were boring. She might have thought you were one of those girls who is "friends" with every guy, always there, always a threat. You know the one: She's never the girlfriend but you have to wonder, if she's always around those guys, maybe something happened once or they want it to happen again and let's face it, they're guys, so they're bound to think of her that way sooner or later. I'm just speculating.

you know what's funny... not too long ago, a group of my girlfriends told me i was that girl. they're like "you're friends with all the guys, you punch them in the arm like they're your brothers and they talk to you about stuff they won't talk to any other girl. how come you don't date ______. he loves having you around." my reply - i'm not their friend so i can get a date. i'm their friend cause we have things in common, i tell them my stupid girly shit and in exchange, they tell me when their balls itch. it's not really a privileged position, and i'm not sure why any girl would really want to be me. these guys don't look at me like a chick, they look at me like another dude who smells less bad and farts a little less.

anyway, i ignore it when girls start getting competitive, it's really juvenile, and it speaks of an insecurity i really never wish to have.

[Echewta]

Its funny that those "barely anything clothes" cost so much.

[b i o n i c]

the first line is true, most men will put up with ANYTHING for a pretty face. i have never understood that

[Nuzzolese]

these guys don't look at me like a chick, they look at me like another dude who smells less bad and farts a little less.



I doubt that.

[mickill]

because men will put up with the most banal conversation ever if the chick is hot and wearing barely any clothes.


We're able to look past it because most of us have big hearts.

[monkey]

I doubt that.

im dead serious. actually, i have a good example of that too. last week, i wore a skirt and a button down shirt. nothing dressy, just not the usual jeans. and i run into one of the dudes, who looks at me weirdly and says "do you have a job interview or something?" and i just look at him and say "i can look nice too, you know." and he just looks at me like i've just gone crazy. they don't realize i'm a chick sometimes, i swear.

i think i have to add that the other girls in our group are just about the most gorgeous creatures ever to step on earth. most of them are the kind of girls that men stop on the street just to look at because they're so beautiful. and they're also nice as hell, which is why they're so awesome.

[nodanaonlyzuul]

the first line is true, most men will put up with ANYTHING for a pretty face. i have never understood that

YES.

A friend of mine just got in touch after 5 years of him basically dropping off the face of the earth.

Turns out his girlfriend was so insecure and controlling she "made him" stop speaking to other girls he was friends with. WTF?! I can understand if a girl is really flirty and inappropriate with your man and you don't want him around someone like that, but ANY GIRL EVER?! Sorry but you are an extremely insecure bitch. And although I care about him and he has a good heart, he was a pushover and pussy whipped to go along with it.

Especially when some of his 'girl' friends don't even LIVE IN THE SAME TOWN. These girls are JUST friends and only kept in touch via email or IM's here and there to say hi and see how things were, including asking about his girlfriend. And I HAVE A BOYFRIEND. I don't want your man, you idiot.

Unfortunately I know more than a few men that this has happened to. Don't let a girl control you like that. It is IRRATIONAL.

[skra75]

Unfortunately I know more than a few men that this has happened to. Don't let a girl control you like that. It is IRRATIONAL.

haha Dana you quickly forget that you are an intimidating internet celebrity to alot of otherwise ordinary girls. Like those girls who play games and stuff for g4. they are scared of you and what you represent. Usually gf's only want their men to be friends with girls who are more troglodytish than they are.

Put the shoe on the other foot for a sec. If your man was getting calls or texts from an "old pal" who happened to be a star wars nut and a crazy rocket-launcher jockey at Halo and was also relatively good looking - wouldn't you be suspicious?

[Yetra Flam]

It is unreasonable for me to suggest that men enjoy and sometimes encourage this competition and jealousy between women? Because it seems like they do. Keeps them looking hot, right?

[hpdrifter]

I think it would be normal for her to wonder and maybe even get a twinge about it but what she's saying is then when it gets to the point where someone is telling you you can't be friends with your friends anymore that's messed up.

[hpdrifter]

It is unreasonable for me to suggest that men enjoy and sometimes encourage this competition and jealous between women? Because it seems like they do. Keeps them looking hot, right?

They absolutely do. I have a friend who does it to his girlfriend and she falls for it every freaking time.

[Lex Diamonds]

Why do violins need restoration? They only make a squeaky noise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi4L0agMKWQ

Make sure you watch past 1:20 (y)

[Nuzzolese]

YES.

Turns out his girlfriend was so insecure and controlling she "made him" stop speaking to other girls he was friends with. Sorry but you are an extremely insecure bitch.
It is IRRATIONAL.

I could see this kind of behavior making sense if he had given her reason to distrust him around his female friends. I wouldn't automatically place the blame on her. I know he's your friend but I've known guys who will lie to various girls, making the other girls they're casually dating look like obsessive stalkers. "I don't know why she keeps calling me! She gives me gifts all the time! I don't want to hurt her feelings!" but when he's with her he's all like "Call me later! Thanks for the presents, I love them, Babe!"

[Caribou]

troglodytish

+100 lingo-cred for using this word.

Btw, I totally understand this topic.
There's this girl who claims to be my friend, but only uses me to get to my male friends blahblah. Yesterday she went with us to a festival and she didn't even speak to me and my best friend/her flatmate, because she was too busy chasing after one of my best male friends, who she's only met once before and who she knows I've had a thing for for years.
The stupid thing is that he knows about her and how she also massively flirted with every other dude in our friendgroup, fucked one of them and dumped him the day after. She then said it was 'fine as long as she kept her eyes closed'. Wtf?! That's my friend you're talking about!
I'm so sick of it that girls like that always get the attention, even if they have absolutely nothing interesting to say, dress ridiculously and only use people for their own pleasure. My guy friend/crush dude also said that 'he didn't care, he'd still do her', but I know that's absolute bullshit. He always tries to act so cool, but I know that he's not like that at all and that he's actually still a virgin. And I also know that this little slut makes a sport out of taking guys' virginities and then dumping them. If she ever tries to do that to him I will release my inner-bitch and I will kill her.

You know, It's so incredibly frustrating. I'm the one that's always there for my friends, I give up stuff just to help them out, but yet I seem to be unimportant when a little slut shows up. Sometimes I feel like screaming 'HELLO I'm a girl too! I have boobs and everything. I'm fun and sweet and I won't break your heart like all the others will. NOTICE ME GODDAMNIT!'

meh. (n) :(

[Yetra Flam]

that's just the way it is. you can't fault a guy for wanting to fuck attractive, slutty girls.

[Nuzzolese]

Doesn't the self-righteous knowledge that you are a better person give you some consolation? She's miserable inside, and one day hopefully she'll figure that out, and she'll figure out why. Then she'll be sorry...oh, she'll be sorry.

[hpdrifter]

Alright people, I have to take exception to some of the comments about clothes in here. I wear short skirts, high heels, and tight clothes when I go out. And I look good. But I am neither boring nor slutty.

[Nuzzolese]

Alright people, I have to take exception to some of the comments about clothes in here. I wear short skirts, high heels, and tight clothes when I go out. And I look good. But I am neither boring nor slutty.

She's a tramp! Burn her!

[Caribou]

Doesn't the self-righteous knowledge that you are a better person give you some consolation? She's miserable inside, and one day hopefully she'll figure that out, and she'll figure out why. Then she'll be sorry...oh, she'll be sorry.

Well, she's always moaning about not having any friends, but whenever she has the chance to make some new friends, she ruins it by clinging to the guys and being bitchy to any girl who tries to have a normal conversation with them.

But it's not just her, I'm also disappointed by my friends. There was a time I thought they were different and not so shallow like 'the rest of 'em', but I found out that they are, and that just sucks.

[hpdrifter]

*walks to stake with head held high and shoulders square. Bears insults and garbage thrown from the crowd in the cutest little black tiered fringe mini paired with black patent leather Aldo "Hortense" high heeled mary janes*

[Nuzzolese]

I got somethinasay!

I used to be a fast woman. I loved fast cars and fast times and I loved it fast, and hard, and furious...ly.

But seriously. I used a couple of my friends more than a couple of times to get to some guys. I kissed and ran. I hung out late at parties because I liked someone there. I got competitive with girls. I flirted with boys who had girlfriends. And I liked attention from boys, even if I had no interest in them at all. Sometimes I went out just to get attention from boys, that was all I wanted. I'm sure I overstayed my welcome where I wasn't wanted. I'm sure I pissed off some girls and they called me a slut and bitch.

And I know that admitting your wrongs doesn't undo them. I don't think genuine remorse redeems me and neither does any possible good deed I could do. I've paid the prices and I know what I did and who I am and I have to live with it all the time. It eats me up with guilt, the way I treated some people. And when I think of some of the guys I bothered with, I get sick to my stomach. I am ashamed of the immature way that I dealt with my feelings of frustration and helplessness and insecurity....ah forget what my feelings were, that's no excuse!! You don't need my backstory, my feeble explanations.

I'm not asking for your forgiveness or understanding, I'm not even asking you to think about my feelings and I, by-god, don't need your pity! Hell, I know a lot of you don't even like me. That's okay. I just wanted you to know that you've got one in your midst. Call me an ex-ho, call me once-a-ho-always-a-ho. I've been bad and inside I know that's still part of who I am, and it always will be. Always.

[hpdrifter]

starts clapping slowly, tempo builds up

[Nuzzolese]

No. I'm just waiting to see if anyone really says anything for real. I think of the disregard that I had for my body and my own self. I feel like I took my young self at adolescence and kicked the shit out of that poor sweet child, strangled her and tortured her. She's dead and like an albatross she still hangs around my neck. Yeah, yeah, it's melodramatic but it's how I feel. I'm not honest on here very often when it comes to this kind of personal stuff, and even when I am I make it all cheesy and tragic. It makes it less vomit-inducing for me. But it's all real.

[skra75]

lol @ dead albatross

[Audio.]

heheh. Forget it, the past stays as the past.

[monkey]

hahaha, it sounds like it's a good thing i grew up with shitty self esteem. instead of thinking guys would like me, i just always assumed they wouldn't, so i became their friend. (y)

i think that also made me a lot more crude than a lady should be. or at least that's what my mom says to me.

aaaaanyways.... i think guys like it when girls fight for them a little bit. i only get jealous when it's in regard to my boyfriends (or exbfs), and i know they've fostered it a little bit or a lot of it, depending on THEIR self esteems. stupids.

AND: i think nearly all girls have slut moments. it's something you gotta try, the clothes, the hair, the makeup, the random making out with a stranger at a gay club...

[hpdrifter]

I was a late bloomer so I never did those things when I was too young to know any better. I was awkward and gawky and greasy and hideous and I wished to god that boys would notice me but they never did.

But when I got to about 28 I had learned not to apply makeup with a shovel, to dress with a feminine touch and stop trying so hard. People just sort of responded to that and it's been that way ever since.

So long story short, I am old enough to know better but I do it anyway. There's a girl I hang with (the same one I wrote about in Nuzz's other thread) who "jokes" about how I dress like a slut. It sure doesn't stop her from asking to borrow my cocktail numbers on New Year's Eve. I think it's because she wishes she had the courage to dress like I do.

I don't treat people poorly. I don't use people. I enjoy attention from guys and girls equally. I love it as much when a girl stops me in the club to ask where I got my skirt or tell me my legs look awesome just as much as when a guy tries to catch my eye. I just enjoy being in my own skin nowadays. For the first time in my life.

[nodanaonlyzuul]

I could see this kind of behavior making sense if he had given her reason to distrust him around his female friends. I wouldn't automatically place the blame on her.

The one I haven't really spoken to in 5 years has never given her a reason to distrust him though, EVER. If anyone should have felt any distrust it should have been him. There are some things about her that would make MANY men uncomfortable.

Otherwise, I would totally understand it if she had a reason to distrust him around females. But in that case, why date a guy if you can't trust him?

wouldn't you be suspicious?

Your comments are very kind, thank you. But it wasn't just me.

I think a little twinge of jealousy/being suspicious is natural no matter what (everyone experiences that I think). But people need to keep that in check. My boyfriend has some girl friends from college who are BEAUTIFUL. I'm talking perfect faces, perfect BODIES, tan, basically they could be actresses if they wanted to... they would get hired based on their looks alone. I feel that twinge and when I'm around them I feel very intimidated because I feel like I don't look anything like those women. But I trust him and I know they are just friends so I keep those feelings under control.

Anyway point is, I'm not the only one my friend lost contact with. He lost contact with ALL of his female friends due to this woman he was with.

It is totally unrealistic to tell someone to CUT OFF complete contact with others simply based on the fact that they happen to have a vagina.

Wanting to control someone like that, when you are supposed to care about them, is lame.

[nodanaonlyzuul]

Also, I can completely relate to HP on the "how women dress" tip. When I was younger, I was rejected left and right. Boys would make fun of me or when asked about me (right in front of me) they would say things like "Her? EW! GROSS!" and make puke sounds.

Now I changed a lot, physically. And I don't do it all the time, but sometimes I like wearing something that is flattering. Even if it's considered a bit "showy". If the situation for it works (i.e. long night of dancing, or Vegas, ha) then I'm going to wear it. Doesn't mean I'm a bitch, asshole or girl that will be all over guys that are taken though.

[Nuzzolese]

I usually never dressed slutty. My behavior was enough to send the message. When I did go slutty I went trashy-slutty, none of this classy feminine stuff. Jean cutoffs, stilettos, tight threadbare jack daniels t-shirt to the biker bar.

[Yetra Flam]

I must admit, when I see a skinny girl in barely any clothes, I sometimes think "skinny bitch." It's automatic. I can't help it.

[hpdrifter]

She probably knows you're thinking that.

[monkey]

what about when you see a chunky girl in barely any clothes? or better yet, a chunky girl with confidence up the wazoo wearing something that looks absolutely amazing but that you think you'd never be able to pull off because of your own lack of confidence?

hmmmm

[hpdrifter]

Whether you're thin or heavy if you're wearing something that's cute and flattering I'm probably gonna think damn where'd she get that?

[Caribou]

If she looks good in it, then good for her. But usually the skimpyness isn't very flattering and it looks if she's trying too hard.
I mean, Im kinda ok with my flabbiness, but I wouldn't go out wearing hardly anything because I look better when I'm more covered up.

Oh, who am I kidding, I totally agree with this:

instead of thinking guys would like me, i just always assumed they wouldn't, so i became their friend.

[Yetra Flam]

what about when you see a chunky girl in barely any clothes? or better yet, a chunky girl with confidence up the wazoo wearing something that looks absolutely amazing but that you think you'd never be able to pull off because of your own lack of confidence?

hmmmm


i dont really lack confidence, and i probably could pull it off

[Echewta]

So sad that women are labeled slutty because of what they wear or who they may hook up with.

I see no difference between women and men who enjoy having casual responsible sex and see nothing wrong with it.

[Yetra Flam]

Slutty is probably the wrong word to describe dressing in a certain way. I prefer "dressing in a way that suggests sexual availability"

[monkey]

So sad that women are labeled slutty because of what they wear or who they may hook up with.

I see no difference between women and men who enjoy having casual responsible sex and see nothing wrong with it.

so is this you trying to tell us you're a slut?

[Miho]

Can't we all just get along?!

[funk63]

Sex for women is potentially a more costly endeavor. Guys can go around ejaculating everywhere without thinking 9 months ahead.

[Echewta]

I'm not sure if dressing sexy means that you want to have sex.

I suppose I'd rather be a slut than a tool or dbag.

[Take Drugs]

that's just the way it is. you can't fault a guy for wanting to fuck attractive, slutty girls.

Werd.

[Dorothy Wood]

I just wanted to say that the girl looked cute and stylish, but it was still like "whoa, you are pretty much naked right now, girl". and you know, that's fine, I wouldn't have called her a slut if she didn't turn into a lingering flirt monster. I was wearing a short dress myself, and I wear clothing that shows my figure and boobage quite often.

she just ruined my plan, that's all. and it was frustrating for me because my guy friends attract this type of girl all the time, because they are handsome and seem aloof and "cool". they don't ever pursue girls, and that makes them attractive to more aggressive and unfortunately attention-whorey women. but the funny thing is, they are the biggest dorks and are completely nervous and about as smooth as sandpaper with girls. they are perpetually single or they'll go for a while with someone, then get dumped.

anyway, these dudes have been my friends for years and I met them all when I was in a relationship, so we kinda just skipped to the friend zone right off the bat. I was just jealous that they were just kind of tolerating and/or enjoying hanging out with that girl even though the conversation was sooo boring, instead of paying attention to me. she was buzz light year, and I was woody. :(

[Take Drugs]

Next time take pictures. Thank you.

[Planetary]

Don't forget crazy psychos

what he said