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RobMoney$
06-28-2009, 12:46 PM
I've compiled some quotes from Thomas Jefferson.
I'm not asking if you would vote for him personally because he lived in a time very different from what we experience today, but I am interested if you'd consider his views to be conservative or liberal when applied to today's political enviorment.
I would like to also leave out opinions about his personal traits and life.



I happen to think he's neither a typical con. or liberal, he's just a boarderline political genius. His opinions are completely independant of either side of the political scale, which is something I strive to be like.
And what I mean by that is that he has his opinions regardless if they're considered liberal or conservative, he just seems to try to go by what he believes is right.
Sometimes that's the liberal POV, and other times it's the Conservative.

Here's some of my favorite quotes. So many of which apply perfectly to today's political problems:




A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.

That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves.

I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power the greater it will be.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

Our greatest happiness does not depend on the condition of life in which chance has placed us, but is always the result of a good conscience, good health, occupation, and freedom in all just pursuits.

The moment a person forms a theory, his imagination sees in every object only the traits which favor that theory.

When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe.

A coward is much more exposed to quarrels than a man of spirit.

Advertisements contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper.

Bodily decay is gloomy in prospect, but of all human contemplations the most abhorrent
is body without mind.

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto.

Do not bite at the bait of pleasure, till you know there is no hook beneath it.

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny

He who knows best knows how little he knows.

I cannot live without books.

I do not take a single newspaper, nor read one a month, and I feel myself infinitely the happier for it.

I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.

I like the dreams of the future better than the history of the past.

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause
for withdrawing from a friend.

I was bold in the pursuit of knowledge, never fearing to follow truth and reason to whatever results they led, and bearding every authority which stood in their way.

If the present Congress errs in too much talking, how can it be otherwise in a body to which the people send one hundred and fifty lawyers, whose trade it is to question everything, yield nothing, and talk by the hour?

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.

No man will ever carry out of the Presidency the reputation which carried him into it.

Nothing gives one person so much advantage over another as to remain always cool and unruffled under all circumstances.

One man with courage is a majority.

Power is not alluring to pure minds.

Speeches that are measured by the hour will die with the hour.

The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.

The second office in the government is honorable and easy; the first is but a splendid misery.

To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.



Very interesting quote right here,
Jeffersons' warning in 1802 on the banking industry:

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.

yeahwho
06-28-2009, 02:30 PM
He gave only two speeches during his 1801-1809 term as President. He had a lisp (http://www.awesomestories.com/biographies/thomas-jefferson), he discontinued delivering the "State of the Union" as a speech during his presidency, instead delivering a written "State of the Union" to Congress.

He is/was a genius, he was considered the "Peoples President" and in this day and age of billion dollar special interest lobbying he must be doing a continuous 360 degree rolling in his grave.

RobMoney$
06-28-2009, 03:09 PM
WHAT'S THIS?!? We agree on something...

We should probably petition the admins to have this thread stickied

yeahwho
06-28-2009, 03:20 PM
WHAT'S THIS?!? We agree on something...

We should probably petition the admins to have this thread stickied

We should go on a hot air balloon ride together.

saz
06-28-2009, 06:15 PM
jefferson was brilliant. i especially like his views on christianity, and his firm belief in the seperation of church and state:


Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814


In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814


Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.

-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782


Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787


I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote "Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?")


They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion.

-Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, Sept. 23, 1800


Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802


History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.

-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.



The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814


In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814

RobMoney$
06-28-2009, 07:23 PM
Jefferson is someone I really like. I studied him a bit back when I was in school and was inspired by him.
He was brilliant but down to earth. He was nearly broke after being president and sold his library to the government to pay the bills. His library was what started the library of Congress.

Jefferson himself didn't show much respect for his two terms as President. He once stated that those were the eight most meaningless years of his life. He designed his own tombstone without any mention of political position.

His stone mentions:

Author of the Declaration of Independence - Freedom of the Body.
Founder of the University of Virginia - Freedom of the Mind.
Virginia Stature of Religious Freedom - Freedom of the Soul.

My favorite quote dealing with Jefferson was not uttered by Jefferson, but referred to him...
JFK was hosting a dinner in the WH with 5 nobel prize winners.
He said, "never has there been a finer collection of intelligence in this room, except of course when Jefferson dined alone...."

Documad
06-29-2009, 09:20 PM
I can't say that I've ever been a Jefferson fan but then I'm not a fan of any of the founders. I've always wanted to go to Monticello though.