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Michelle*s_Farm

08-06-2009, 09:15 AM

Brad Pitt seems to have the best excuse I have heard for not getting married -- I might start using it ;)

"When someone asked me why Angie and I don't get married, I replied, 'Maybe we'll get married when it's legal for everyone else,' " he said. "I stand by that, although I took a lot of flak for saying it, hate mail from religious groups. I believe everyone should have the same rights."

SOURCE:

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Movies/08/05/brad.pitt.interview/index.html

Echewta

08-06-2009, 12:06 PM

Sounds like marriage in the eyes of the State doesn't mean that much to him since its still defined by Christians. Sounds good to me.

Michelle*s_Farm

08-06-2009, 02:32 PM

Sounds like marriage in the eyes of the State doesn't mean that much to him since its still defined by Christians. Sounds good to me.

whatever happened to separation of church and state or was that a load of bullshit someone hurled at us some time ago. wish i could donate to a needy charity (and possibly keep a small percentage for myself) a dollar for each time a politician mentioned god or when a religious leader mentioned politics in a speech.

KingOfPop

08-06-2009, 03:53 PM

Well if Brad Pitt says it then it must be true and we should all follow his example :rolleyes:

kaiser soze

08-06-2009, 03:54 PM

my girlfriend and I are taking our time with the idea of marriage

Better to have the prospect of marriage on the horizon rather than the prospect of divorce (y)

yeahwho

08-06-2009, 04:03 PM

my girlfriend and I are taking our time with the idea of marriage

Better to have the prospect of marriage on the horizon rather than the prospect of divorce (y)

au contraire monsieur, .... better to have one foot out of hell rather than be 10,000 feet away running into it ...

Randetica

08-06-2009, 04:06 PM

you just have to love him

yeahwho

08-06-2009, 04:23 PM

saz

08-06-2009, 05:14 PM

Well if Brad Pitt says it then it must be true and we should all follow his example :rolleyes:

so you're homophobic then.

RobMoney$

08-06-2009, 05:41 PM

whatever happened to separation of church and state or was that a load of bullshit someone hurled at us some time ago. wish i could donate to a needy charity (and possibly keep a small percentage for myself) a dollar for each time a politician mentioned god or when a religious leader mentioned politics in a speech.

Well if it's your contention that marriage is a Christian sacrement, not a state decision, then your beef is with the church.
And since Christianity doesn't recognize homosexuals, I have no idea why homosexuals are so hellbent of receiving a sacrement, or taking part in a ceremony from an organization that wants nothing to do with them?

Bob

08-06-2009, 05:45 PM

Well if it's your contention that marriage is a Christian sacrement, not a state decision, then your beef is with the church.
And since Christianity doesn't recognize homosexuals, I have no idea why homosexuals are so hellbent of receiving a sacrement, or taking part in a ceremony from an organization that wants nothing to do with them?

i don't think they do think it's a christian sacrament...?

yeahwho

08-06-2009, 05:47 PM

Well if it's your contention that marriage is a Christian sacrement, not a state decision, then your beef is with the church.
And since Christianity doesn't recognize homosexuals, I have no idea why homosexuals are so hellbent of receiving a sacrement, or taking part in a ceremony from an organization that wants nothing to do with them?

That statement could pretty much be reversed. Because truly certain aspects of United States Christianity cannot stop themselves from being involved with the politics of Homosexuality. Why don't they just fucking go away?

saz

08-06-2009, 06:59 PM

Well if it's your contention that marriage is a Christian sacrement, not a state decision, then your beef is with the church.
And since Christianity doesn't recognize homosexuals, I have no idea why homosexuals are so hellbent of receiving a sacrement, or taking part in a ceremony from an organization that wants nothing to do with them?

gays and lesbians don't want a sacrement, nor do they want to take part in some religious ceremony. it's about equality, equal rights under the law and being able to marry the person they love.

Echewta

08-06-2009, 06:59 PM

Gays aren't asking to force church doors open to marry them. They are asking for the states to reconize same sex marriages which they wont because of the pressures of the religious organizations who practice limited love.

Churches are not obligated to marry anyone and never should be. But States should allow any adult to marry regardless of the parts they choose to play with.

Burnout18

08-06-2009, 09:39 PM

Thats total bullshit. He wants to fuck other girls without having to worry about angie taking half his money.

Michelle*s_Farm

08-07-2009, 06:22 AM

my girlfriend and I are taking our time with the idea of marriage

Better to have the prospect of marriage on the horizon rather than the prospect of divorce (y)

Nicely put. Longing for hope rather than despair.

I am surprised about the amount of 'pressure' others place on couples to engage in the marriage ritual. They sometimes resort to the rudest of tactics. Governments get involved as well (incentives) which perplexes me further.

Michelle*s_Farm

08-07-2009, 06:25 AM

What if he is gay and once everything is legal he marries Ben Affleck?

Ben and Brad would be some handsome couple (lb). Perhaps someone from the board should let them know :D

Randetica

08-07-2009, 03:11 PM

they dont even quite play in the same league

RobMoney$

08-07-2009, 05:08 PM

I don't know.

Say the federal government grants homosexuals the right to marry.
What's to then prevent a homosexual person from filing a lawsuit charging the Archdiocese of LA, NYC, San Fran, ect.. with discriminating against them if they are denied the sacrement of marriage based solely on their sexual preference?

(I use the catholic church in this example because they would be the biggest target for filing such a case)

yeahwho

08-07-2009, 05:51 PM

yeahwho

08-07-2009, 06:02 PM

Plus I found this on wiki,

Some same-sex married couples have challenged religious organizations that exclude them from access to public facilities maintained by those organizations, such as schools, health care centers, social service agencies, summer camps, homeless shelters, nursing homes, orphanages, retreat houses, community centers, and athletic programs. Opponents of same-sex marriages have expressed concerns that this limits their religious freedoms. For example, conservatives worry that a Christian college would risk its tax-exempt status by refusing to admit a legally married gay couple to married-student housing. Some legal analysts suggest that failure to reflect gay rights within their organizations may cost some religious groups their tax-exempt status.

Americans United for Separation of Church and State argue that by defining marriage as an opposite-sex institution, the state infringes upon the constitutional right to freedom of religion.

I don't think the Catholics have to perform Gay weddings, yet this seems to sum up something that would surely come to pass, they will have to recognize the union.

RobMoney$

08-07-2009, 06:33 PM

the student housing issue is just an example of the pandora's box of issues that would arise with legalizing gay marriage.

Most people aren't against giving everyone the right to love whoever they want and have that love be recognized by the world just like same-sex couples.
But it's issues like the student housing, and the new issues all religions would be faced with that are causing people to say
"Stop, we need to think about this before we go any further."

yeahwho

08-07-2009, 06:49 PM

But it's issues like the student housing, and the new issues all religions would be faced with that are causing people to say
"Stop, we need to think about this before we go any further."

Tax exempt status is not a privilege, it comes with an understanding that you must obey federal law. If the church wants to privately educate like any vocational school they can pay taxes and exclude/include anyone they want to, under their own provisions.

I challenge the church to be holier than the almighty dollar.

RobMoney$

08-07-2009, 06:59 PM

Being inflexible and threatening is only going to keep marriage an opposite sex union.

yeahwho

08-07-2009, 07:20 PM

Being inflexible and threatening is only going to keep marriage an opposite sex union.

I wonder how the church hasn't been sued yet. As it is the Gay population is not backing down, it is in fact gaining in momentum and sympathy. Each minute, hour, day and week brings more resolve and more legal maneuvering to legalize Gay Marriage.

Within 5 years we'll be talking in terms of how to embrace this issue, it is most definitely on. The Gay community will prevail in the USA.

Maybe we should start by busing gays to Sunday services.

yeahwho

08-07-2009, 07:47 PM

CNN Poll: Most Americans Oppose Gay Marriage, but Those Under 35 Back It (http://www.usnews.com/blogs/god-and-country/2009/05/05/cnn-poll-most-americans-oppose-gay-marriage-but-those-under-35-back-it.html)

This seems to be the general consensus among Americans, as it was with many other societal demographics deemed unacceptable in the past, society is changing and has become more tolerant of non-harmful, non violent lifestyles (http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_marp.htm).

--- In 1948, about 90% of American Adults opposed interracial marriage when the Supreme Court of California legalized it, and California became the first state that allowed loving, committed interracial couples to marry.
--- In 1967, about 72% were opposed to interracial marriage. This was the year when the U.S. Supreme Court was legalized interracial marriage everywhere in the U.S.
--- In 1991, those adults opposed to interracial marriage became a minority for the first time.
--- The change averaged slightly less than 1 percentage point per year.