LTI Revelation..... [Archive] - Beastie Boys Message Board

FunkyDonkey28

08-07-2009, 01:39 PM

Ok, so this may have already been a thread, but anyways...

I do expect to be made fun of and ridiculed, but, I have always liked LTI but for some reason I never listened to it as much as the others, why? I don't know. All I know is right now I'm at work and I have it on, it's kind of slow so I'm at beastiemania for some lyrics, I mean I know a lot of the words to the more popular songs, or should I say, the songs most people who don't have the album have heard, but I'm once again, blown away, this may be a bold comment, but to me, although not as wordy as PB, LTI has a ton of lyrics on it, to me, it understandable how this came before PB. Seriously, I always knew it was a dope album, but I guess I never gave it a ''true'' listen, I was always obsessed with PB, CYH and IC, my bad LTI. Stellar.

I expect some people to say that this means I'm not a true fan or whatever, they can think what they want, I don't care, but I thought I'd mention this anyway.

Anyone else feel this way?

pshabi

08-07-2009, 02:56 PM

I've found myself listening to it a lot more in the last year as well.

BeastieRunner

08-07-2009, 03:35 PM

It's a dope record. I only dislike FFYR and Girls. Most BBoys fans (myself included) got our start with this album so whats wrong with that? They've grown up (as have I) and have only gotten better with each album in my humble opinion.

pm0ney

08-07-2009, 05:37 PM

It is easily their most important record, and their most popular record for a reason. It is incredible, and while I agree that on musical merits it isn't as "good" as Paul's Boutique, I'd take LTI over Paul's Boutique any day. It's fucking raw.

LuciferHam

08-07-2009, 09:56 PM

Its not only one of the best Beastie Boys albums but also one of the best old school rap albums. If you listen to rap albums from that 79 - 87 era, not many albums are consistant. Theres good singles but even greats like Run D.M.C. failed to turn in classic albums (king of rock being an example). The Beastie Boys must have been one of the first rap groups to turn out an albums where nearly every tracks was a fucking classic. I read somewhere that every song was being requested for play on radio stations around america upon release. They hit a nerve with the album, and plus their production was 10 times better then other rap groups doing a similiar thing (like the 2 live crews debut) thanks to the genius that is Rick Rubin. So yeah its an amazing debut and I often have trouble deciding what album I like more out of this and PB. Generally PB comes out on top but LTI has its own unique charm.

Laver1969

08-07-2009, 10:23 PM

LTI came out when I was a senior in high school and I've been hooked ever since. I love that album!

Slow and Low! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67YgXfRO7t0&feature=related)

Brother McDuff

08-07-2009, 11:16 PM

I expect some people to say that this means I'm not a true fan or whatever, they can think what they want, I don't care, but I thought I'd mention this anyway.

Anyone else feel this way?

Hey man, don't sweat it. I'm right there with you. Being that I'm 25 yrs old, it's safe to say that this record was particularly dated by the time I started really 'listening' to music. It's by far my least favorite record of theres. It took a good 5 or 6 years of beastie fandom for me to even start to open up to it. That said, I've learned to love it over time. When you spend so long not giving it a chance, it really creeps up and surprises you eventually.

FFYR and Girls make my skin crawl though. Especially Girls. I've despised that song since the first moment I heard it.

Kid Presentable

08-07-2009, 11:42 PM

Sometimes I think it's a classic that laid the blueprint for gangsta rap among many other things. One night while I was tripping balls on cupcakes, I had to walk miles and miles to score some cereal. I rapped the entirety of Licensed to Ill to myself, and it was like being a walkman, dude. Like, radical. But seriously, I got to the spot, asked the Cereal Merchant to please put LTI on his hi-fi, and we proceeded to enjoy the album while eating some cereal. The cereal and cupcakes together may have had something to do with it, but it was a fine listening experience, irrespective.

Rodie

08-08-2009, 01:04 AM

Hey man, don't sweat it. I'm right there with you. Being that I'm 25 yrs old, it's safe to say that this record was particularly dated by the time I started really 'listening' to music. It's by far my least favorite record of theres. It took a good 5 or 6 years of beastie fandom for me to even start to open up to it. That said, I've learned to love it over time. When you spend so long not giving it a chance, it really creeps up and surprises you eventually.

Funny, I'm the same age and my experience with LTI was just the opposite. I got it in 2000 and really dug it at first and for awhile like I did with all their albums when I first got them. As time went on though that one just started to get less and less plays from me. All the tracks are really cool (except of course Girls and FFYR) but for some reason I almost feel that they work better individually, on compilations, or live (especially live). Still, great album no doubt about it. (y)

Michelle*s_Farm

08-08-2009, 03:04 AM

I think a lot of the older Beastie Boys fans have LTI in rotation and agree that LTI is a classic album. The stories are one of its best features in my opinion (they are timeless). To be honest the song Girls was funny for someone who was 16 years old in the 80's. You could call it cringeworthy or one you could celebrate this song as ironic and a revealing portrayal of the prototypical 1980's human inflicted with a disorder called Young Male Syndrome (YMS) :D

FFYR pumped teenagers up beyond belief in the 80's (especially young males). FFYR was a great video and had interesting cameos in it (e.g., Murphy's Law).

See page below for more information on how it was made:

http://www.beastiemania.com/qa/ffyrtp01.php

And who the actors (or volunteers) were:

http://www.beastiemania.com/qa/ffyrtp02.php

Fans are obviously entitled to feel how they will about LTI and they do not necessarily have to agree with the band about particular songs. I like LTI for the following reasons off the top of my head and would still rate it a 4/5:

1) It had mad energy
2) It was funny as hell
3) Beats were original, raw and fresh
4) Album cover was priceless
5) Slayer cameo
6) Samples were brilliant and new
7) Videos rocked
8) There was a Run-DMC flavour to it
9) It was a complete LP (someone else made this nice point above)
10) At the time FFYR could start a 'riot' on the dance floor (even in rural suburban settings). Much like "Smells Like Teen Spirit" in the 90's which was also a 'riot-starter'.

So LTI fans should hang their heads up high. I think the division between LTI and other BB album fans started because some LTI fans did not like their other LP's (e.g., the fratboy redneck ones who could not understand art and irony). I think most of these fans dropped off or perhaps they grew up and are on this board. Hard to say -- to each his or her own I guess. :rolleyes:

Michelle*s_Farm

08-08-2009, 03:29 AM

Michelle*s_Farm

08-08-2009, 03:50 AM

I hate being at a bar/club and it's karaoke night and my one choice of Beastie Boy song is FFYR....grrrrr

That does suck. A CD of Beastie instrumentals is a brilliant solution to that problem.

Brother McDuff

08-08-2009, 04:15 AM

I am getting a bit tired of the Girls and FFYR haters -- these songs encapsulated humor, rebellion and irony folks -- look these words up on dictionary.com

Not that you have to like these songs to be a fan of course -- but dismissing them outright on some implicit or unstated political grounds is untenable as it is unwise. Now I will get off my soapbox as well ;)

i have much respect for FFYR and Girls, don't get me wrong, i would never say they're inferior tracks by any means. I just personally don't care for them. conservatism aside, I just find them a little too obnoxious for my taste.

Michelle*s_Farm

08-08-2009, 05:22 AM

i have much respect for FFYR and Girls, don't get me wrong, i would never say they're inferior tracks by any means. I just personally don't care for them. conservatism aside, I just find them a little too obnoxious for my taste.

No need to explain as it comes down to a matter of personal taste that you may not be able to describe. I have a similar problem when I try to describe why I like the song Smells Like Teen Spirit. The closest I get is that I love the 'fierce two-note guitar phrase just before the chorus because it sounds like an air-raid siren' (paraphrased from Greg Milner's 2009 Perfecting Sound Forever). I think I will have to just take your words on faith because interpreted literally they do not make sense to me in terms of their logic.

You see how can these statements you wrote follow logically (not that it really matters):

A) "i would never say they're inferior tracks by any means". [but] "I just personally don't care for them." (this is the same as saying that I would not say the song is inferior, but i think the song is inferior)

B) "conservatism aside, I just find them a little too obnoxious for my taste."

The latter seems to be a reasonable statement at face value. However the definition of "obnoxious" is generally considered to mean when one is exposed to something harmful that should be censored (courtesy of Webster -- not the 80's TV actor). This literally means you are calling for the censorship of these songs because you find them to objectionable (I presume morally). See below:

Etymology: Latin obnoxius, from ob in the way of, exposed to + noxa harm — more at noxious
Date: 1597
1 archaic : exposed to something unpleasant or harmful —used with to
2 archaic : deserving of censure
3 : odiously or disgustingly objectionable : highly offensive

A literal interpretation of your words would lead me to conclude you are allowing some form of conservative political preference in this instance to cloud your judgments of the song. My partner thinks I am being a nitpicky bastard and she is probably right :)

Kid Presentable

08-08-2009, 05:34 AM

I suppose you should be proud you put more effort into discussing LTI than the band put into recording it.

Michelle*s_Farm

08-08-2009, 05:44 AM

I suppose you should be proud you put more effort into discussing LTI than the band put into recording it.

I like your post -- it made me laugh and pause to think about how much time I have wasted thinking about music. Perhaps the apparent 'effort' comes from an unfair advantage of listening to LTI for over 20 years so discussion flows quite easily. Hey what else should I be doing in my spare time except listening, thinking and commenting about bands I love. Oh ya probably volunteer work in my local community, that would be much better.

Laver1969

08-08-2009, 07:48 AM

Speaking of Girls...I just saw MMM perform two nights ago and he only dropped in two or three Beastie songs and one of them was Girls.

Michelle*s_Farm

08-08-2009, 08:05 AM

Speaking of Girls...I just saw MMM perform two nights ago and he only dropped in two or three Beastie songs and one of them was Girls.

cool yams

Sir SkratchaLot

08-08-2009, 08:43 AM

Sometimes I think it's a classic that laid the blueprint for gangsta rap among many other things.

It laid the blueprint for copying Schooly-D which who laid down the blueprint for gangster rap.

Jiberish

08-08-2009, 03:15 PM

Is there really a big difference between the material in Girls and the material on songs that I consider CLASSICS like Sounds Of Science where a girl's face winds up coated in ejaculate. (lb)

nope.

Brother McDuff

08-09-2009, 04:22 AM

No need to explain as it comes down to a matter of personal taste that you may not be able to describe. I have a similar problem when I try to describe why I like the song Smells Like Teen Spirit. The closest I get is that I love the 'fierce two-note guitar phrase just before the chorus because it sounds like an air-raid siren' (paraphrased from Greg Milner's 2009 Perfecting Sound Forever). I think I will have to just take your words on faith because interpreted literally they do not make sense to me in terms of their logic.

You see how can these statements you wrote follow logically (not that it really matters):

A) "i would never say they're inferior tracks by any means". [but] "I just personally don't care for them." (this is the same as saying that I would not say the song is inferior, but i think the song is inferior)

B) "conservatism aside, I just find them a little too obnoxious for my taste."

The latter seems to be a reasonable statement at face value. However the definition of "obnoxious" is generally considered to mean when one is exposed to something harmful that should be censored (courtesy of Webster -- not the 80's TV actor). This literally means you are calling for the censorship of these songs because you find them to objectionable (I presume morally). See below:

Etymology: Latin obnoxius, from ob in the way of, exposed to + noxa harm — more at noxious
Date: 1597
1 archaic : exposed to something unpleasant or harmful —used with to
2 archaic : deserving of censure
3 : odiously or disgustingly objectionable : highly offensive

A literal interpretation of your words would lead me to conclude you are allowing some form of conservative political preference in this instance to cloud your judgments of the song. My partner thinks I am being a nitpicky bastard and she is probably right :)

Look stickler (;)), I understand that these songs are bursts of irony, youth, humor, and unruly-ness. And to that effect they're a spot-on success, I just don't enjoy listening to them. None of my political or social views are threatened or offended by anything these songs offer, I just find them whiny and, well, obnoxious.

P.S. Please don't be that guy that starts referencing dictionary definitions to over-analyze casual statements. I think you know what I was getting at.

pesto pizza

08-09-2009, 05:34 AM

LTI reminds me of being 14,drinking beer in my friends bedroom singing the lyrics the top of our voices and going out to steal vw badges off cars and yes i did get arrested by the police and we were told by our parents to stop listening to the beastie boys.no I don't think so,22 years later I don't think it was a fad!

Michelle*s_Farm

08-09-2009, 08:34 AM

I just read your profile...your 25 (Must have joined the bandwagon on HN, you were 2 when we were bumping Paul Revere in the Caddy...lol...sorry you missed out but you can go get yourself a used 76 Fleetwood and a copy of LTI on cassette off ebay, get some cool friends to join you and drive up and down the main strip in town playing the tape front to back for 2 weeks straight then comment on it and you will have credibilty:rolleyes:

Ya Heard!

Now let the age wars begin lol. But seriously McDuff I can understand if someone does not like these songs. But I would expect that a person should explain why the tracks are weak (or if they like them why they are strong). I guess I just wonder whether for some people at a subconscious level they dislike these songs due to some some implicit aversion to immaturity (or youthful rebellion) or an unstated political correctness (e.g., I cannot be associated with such frat boy antics). Not sayin that is you of course.

FFYR and Girls were a hell lot of fun back in day -- it was the rebelliousness and humour that turned a bunch of us onto the band to begin with (damn it got us in deep shit at the time though as one poster pointed out). I only take slight issue with referring to these tracks as "obnoxious" or "whiny". "Whiny" was what the Beastie Boys haters (and there used to be many) called them. Girls is not really obnoxious, it was (or is still) funny. Perhaps it is obnoxious humour -- but is great fun (like Lenny Bruce, George Carlin and others). I like how Girls is discussed on this beastiemania page:

http://www.beastiemania.com/songspotlight/show.php?band=b&s=girls

But hey I know you like LTI -- I am a tad surprised you do not like Girls and FFYR (I must admit FFYR was really over-played on late 80's radio though which turned a lot of people off for some time). And the karoke experiences discussed must really suck :)

P.S. I will try to lay off the dictionary next time. But hey I like it (kind of like an intellectual crack-pipe)!

Kid Presentable

08-09-2009, 08:35 AM

cypressphil

08-09-2009, 08:52 AM

Michelle*s_Farm

08-09-2009, 11:22 AM

LTI is a fucking classic! If it hadnt been the smash it was, would we all be here now discussing the bboys & their long career & catalogue of music? They'd probably have been another casualty of the music industry.

FFYR & Girls are great & are tracks of their time, but great none the less. FFYR is probably largely responsible for the success of LTI, and therefore the springboard for such a long & continuing career.

People are just trying to sound politically correct. I gues everyone was too mature when they were young to have messed around doing stoopid rhymes & songs which were nt necessarily serious or politically correct but made them laugh at the time.

You are probably right. Nonetheless I have the following I want to state (even though it is slightly off topic and many people on here will probably disagree with me). Especially those who associate the peak of their fave band with a particular entity or individual more than another.

I feel that the band would have achieved serious critical acclaim (beyond New York City) without the following individuals and entities: (1) Rick Rubin; (2) Def Jam Recordings; (3) Mario Caldato Jr; (4) Dust Brothers. Not that these folks did not shape where we are now. I mean no disrepect to these individuals or entities. Nonetheless the band would have been able to pull off some quality LP's (albeit different ones than we currently have to listen to) regardless of these influences / collaborators. The reason we can be certain of this is because Beastie Boys have NOT put out a shitty LP but these other individuals and entities have worked on and put out sub-par LPs. I know that sounds a little harsh (and I am probably biased because I am a BB fan) but I think the above is evidence enough for my assertion.

Brother McDuff

08-09-2009, 11:54 AM

Wow...Are you serious?....Nothing you enjoy on LTI???

Ok so-called Beastie Boy Fan (The word Fan is short for Fanatic which means you Must like all albums by a group your a "Fan" of;)) - Your telling me you don't like listening to "PAUL REVERE"??? or The New Style, Hold It Now Hit It, Posse In Effect or Brass Monkey???

We're only talking about FFYR and Girls here fella.

sorry you missed out but you can go get yourself a used 76 Fleetwood and a copy of LTI on cassette off ebay, get some cool friends to join you and drive up and down the main strip in town playing the tape front to back for 2 weeks straight then comment on it and you will have credibilty

Been there (minus the Fleetwood), casette and all.

People are just trying to sound politically correct. I gues everyone was too mature when they were young to have messed around doing stoopid rhymes & songs which were nt necessarily serious or politically correct but made them laugh at the time.

Hardly the case. I don't shun them or look down on the them; I just don't enjoy these songs, what's so hard to accept about that? I've heard FFYR enough times for 2 lifetimes, and Girls is boring to me. Were I a young buck in 1986 (well, older than 2 at least), and lived in that moment or had more nostalgia invested in it, I'm sure I'd have a different impression. These aren't inferior songs, nor am I an inferior, uninformed listener or "johnny PC".

Michelle*s_Farm

08-09-2009, 12:17 PM

We're only talking about FFYR and Girls here fella.

Been there (minus the Fleetwood), casette and all.

Hardly the case. I don't shun them or look down on the them; I just don't enjoy these songs, what's so hard to accept about that? I've heard FFYR enough times for 2 lifetimes, and Girls is boring to me. Were I a young buck in 1986 (well, older than 2 at least), and lived in that moment or had more nostalgia invested in it, I'm sure I'd have a different impression. These aren't inferior songs, nor am I an inferior, uninformed listener or "johnny PC".

No disagreements here. Nothing wrong with being 25 or 15 for that matter. For the record I do not think you are "johnny PC" (whoever that is lol). I would like to say "Girls" will grow on you -- but I cannot imagine how if it never did. Just so you know I have always been a "Brass Monkey" man myself. Shit I miss cassettes.

Justin

08-09-2009, 06:13 PM

The New Style is always in my ipod rotation!

droppppppppppppppppppppp!

Brother McDuff

08-09-2009, 07:16 PM

No disagreements here. Nothing wrong with being 25 or 15 for that matter. For the record I do not think you are "johnny PC" (whoever that is lol). I would like to say "Girls" will grow on you -- but I cannot imagine how if it never did. Just so you know I have always been a "Brass Monkey" man myself. Shit I miss cassettes.

Sorry :o, I just hate being misunderstood. "Time to Get Ill" and "Slow and Low" were always my fav joints from that record. "Rhymin and Stealin" still gets my vote as being one of the rawest album openers ever too.(y)

The car I bought a couple years ago came with only a tape player and it was such a wonderful return for me. I got to bust out all my old tapes from back in the day, make new ones, and really focus on listening to albums all the way through more again. Plus you can buy tapes for pennies these days. Unfortunately I had to replace her with a CD player this summer. Poor girl, had to put her down.

Michelle*s_Farm

08-09-2009, 07:38 PM

"Time to Get Ill" and "Slow and Low" were always my fav joints from that record. "Rhymin and Stealin" is still gets my vote for being one of the rawest album openers ever too.(y)

You know I never expected a thread to be called "LTI Revelation". But I am glad there was (and is). Those are dope tracks above for sure.

Damn the lyrics below flow so well (their meaning and context is another thing altogether):

"Father to many married to none
And in case you're unaware I carry a gun word
Stepped into the party the place was over packed
Saw the kid that dissed my homey and shot him in the back
Man I had to get a beeper 'cause my phone is tapped
You better keep your mouth shut 'cause I'm fully strapped
I got money in the bank I can still get high
That's why your girlfriend thinks that I'm so fly"

Michelle*s_Farm

08-09-2009, 07:47 PM

Unfortunately I had to replace her with a CD player this summer. Poor girl, had to put her down.

that sucks. i was at a deerhunter show recently and was told that tapes are making a comeback for their unique unparalleled analog sound quality. i tend to agree.

M.C. Guevera

08-09-2009, 07:47 PM

"No Sleep Till Brooklyn" > "Fight For Your Right". Always.

I like alot about Licensed To Ill and the whole Licensed To Ill era as a whole. The attitude, the swagger, the Volkswagen medallion. I'm just tired of people associating the Beasties with LTI and just that. Alot of people have completely ignored their other albums, which is a bit depressing to me. Especially since I don't think Licensed To Ill is their best album. It's not as irritating as it used to be, I guess because their other songs have gotten exposure thanks to Rock Band and Guitar Hero and whatnot. But for a while, you couldn't talk about the Beastie Boys without mentioning "Fight For Your Right" which got really tiring REALLY quickly. I can't recall the number of times I've heard people say, "The Beastie Boys USED to be good. Then they became Buddhists." or some form of that. UGHHHH!

But I do think it's a classic. Every song on that album is a hit. It's immensely catchy. The lyrics are funny. The beats are killer. It's dated in a way, but yet, at the same time, still sounds fresh and, well, ill, even 23 years later! So there is good to be had with Licensed To Ill, even in 2009!

And for what it's worth, I have always loved "Girls".

Michelle*s_Farm

08-09-2009, 07:52 PM

"No Sleep Till Brooklyn" > "Fight For Your Right". Always.

I like alot about Licensed To Ill and the whole Licensed To Ill era as a whole. The attitude, the swagger, the Volkswagen medallion. I'm just tired of people associating the Beasties with LTI and just that. Alot of people have completely ignored their other albums, which is a bit depressing to me. Especially since I don't think Licensed To Ill is their best album. It's not as irritating as it used to be, I guess because their other songs have gotten exposure thanks to Rock Band and Guitar Hero and whatnot. But for a while, you couldn't talk about the Beastie Boys without mentioning "Fight For Your Right" which got really tiring REALLY quickly. I can't recall the number of times I've heard people say, "The Beastie Boys USED to be good. Then they became Buddhists." or some form of that. UGHHHH!

But I do think it's a classic. Every song on that album is a hit, or should have been a hit. It's immensely catchy. The lyrics are funny. The beats are killer. It's dated in a way, but yet, at the same time, still sounds fresh and, well, ill, even 23 years later! So there is good to be had with Licensed To Ill, even in 2009!

And for what it's worth, I have always loved "Girls".

i am feelin' all that. i do recall the days where people associated the band only with FFYR. what a shame that was -- their loss though but still damn annoying considering the song was rarely played live.

M.C. Guevera

08-09-2009, 08:04 PM

Where's the love for the pre-LTI stuff? "Rock Hard", "Beastie Groove", "Party's Getting Rough". Those are ill tracks too. I've never heard people talk about them.

Brother McDuff

08-09-2009, 10:19 PM

that sucks. i was at a deerhunter show recently and was told that tapes are making a comeback for their unique unparalleled analog sound quality. i tend to agree.

unique sound quality for sure, but I wouldn't say it's good quality. you gotta deal with tape hiss. and not just that nice warm analog reel tape hiss, that clunky thick cassette tape hiss. plus you got the varying playback speed; sometimes you get chipmunk'd vocals or instruments, as well as the opposite effect.

i dunno, i think the charm of cassettes has more to do with it's comprehensive usage. just being able to pop it in and press record with ease, making mixtapes and stuff. that cassette noise, though, does also add an element of fogginess and mystery to the music, sounding more rugged, raw, chunky. But that has less to do with the sound "quality" and more to do with romanticism.

well, that's my opinion at least.

mathcart

08-09-2009, 10:40 PM

I like how Girls is discussed on this beastiemania page:

http://www.beastiemania.com/songspotlight/show.php?band=b&s=girls

"Accusations of sexism came thick and fast, especially over the track 'Girls.'Although the cheesy Casio organ backing might have hinted to more open-minded critics, that a certain level of irony was at work"

:D

pm0ney

08-09-2009, 10:42 PM

I doubt there was any irony in that song. They were what, 17, 18 when they recorded it?

Michelle*s_Farm

08-10-2009, 04:24 AM

unique sound quality for sure, but I wouldn't say it's good quality. you gotta deal with tape hiss. and not just that nice warm analog reel tape hiss, that clunky thick cassette tape hiss. plus you got the varying playback speed; sometimes you get chipmunk'd vocals or instruments, as well as the opposite effect.

i dunno, i think the charm of cassettes has more to do with it's comprehensive usage. just being able to pop it in and press record with ease, making mixtapes and stuff. that cassette noise, though, does also add an element of fogginess and mystery to the music, sounding more rugged, raw, chunky. But that has less to do with the sound "quality" and more to do with romanticism.

well, that's my opinion at least.

i think you stated it better than did. tape hiss was a big problem. the mysteriousness added to the music is a neat angle.

DJ Pioneer

08-10-2009, 12:05 PM

Jiberish

08-10-2009, 03:37 PM

LTI was really the album that got me into the Beastie Boys. I remember getting into it after it came out, because I was too young at the time. I remember maybe around '91 or so playing basketball with my friends, listening to the CD outside. They brought it cause they knew I liked it. I always liked songs like Paul Revere and Brass Monkey. A couple years later, I started getting into Sabotage when it came out, and I discovered Check Your Head and Paul's Botique and have been a hardcore fan ever since. And yes, I still listen to LTI because it's fun. Also, it has to be one of the most sampled rap albums of all time.

That is more or less my exact introduction to the Beastie Boys, except I heard LTI when it first came out [I was 6 or 7] because an older kid in my neighborhood was into it. We were listening to the tape in front of my grandmother's house when my mom [who would have been 30 or 31] heard it, recognized it as those "brat kids on the radio" and took the tape away.

Michelle*s_Farm

08-11-2009, 03:52 AM

We were listening to the tape in front of my grandmother's house when my mom [who would have been 30 or 31] heard it, recognized it as those "brat kids on the radio" and took the tape away.

That sounds recognisable. Amazing how times have shifted toward something unrecognizable and unexpected. Now we have a collective of old age pensioners in the UK (The Zimmers – a rock covers band) performing FFYR so well that they have been invited to perform at the 2012 Olympics in London. Story below but if you want to see a snippet of the FFYR cover check it out (at the end of youtube clip) here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NF1msrXA5M)

By the way The Zimmers cover of FFYR is not good -- has a karoke feel to it which I do not enjoy.

SOURCE:

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/people/Wrinkly-rockers-win-spot-at.5538115.jp

Sir SkratchaLot

08-11-2009, 08:18 AM

Fight for your Right is dope. The fucking drums on that shit are heater. I'm almost suprised the Beasties havn't brought it back to their live show. It's not played out anymore. It's anti-played now.

Girls, on the other hand, is some of the corniest shit ever. It's got some novelty quality to it but the comedy wears off after a while and what's left is that the shit is mad corny. I can understand the reverse reaction where everyone disses it so much that it actually makes you want to like it more, but Girls was by far the worst record on that album. The best thing it has going for it is some nice a capella Adrock samples in the middle.

The Beastie's voices on LTI has to be one of the best things about the album. All of them sound golden and compliment each other perfectly. They were never really able to pull it off that way again after LTI.

Laver1969

08-11-2009, 01:35 PM

Fight for your Right is dope. The fucking drums on that shit are heater. I'm almost suprised the Beasties havn't brought it back to their live show. It's not played out anymore. It's anti-played now.

Even though I usually skip FFYR when listening to LTI, in some weird way I kinda wish they would throw this back in.

And as a baby step towards doing it, they should let MMM throw in a snippet of FFYR into the middle of another song.

Kid Presentable

08-12-2009, 06:39 AM

Just like in the rap game where i believe new rappers need to pay respect to the elders the same goes for beastie fans. Listen to what we tell you if you want to learn something or be stubborn and miss the point.

aaaaaaaahahahaha

Seriously, though. I get the feeling they might have been rehearsing FFYR with instruments for the pageant shows when they decided they could do So Watcha Want and Do it with instruments, too.

After this whole Yauch thing is over and they make their comeback, it would absolutely, 120% be an appropriate opener at that point.

cj hood

08-12-2009, 08:47 AM

And as a baby step towards doing it, they should let MMM throw in a snippet of FFYR into the middle of another song.

i back this...dance with the girl that brung ya!

IMO, sabotage is just as played out as FFYR....how could you get amped up at the end of the show when you know what's coming based on the past 15 years....

Brother McDuff

08-12-2009, 12:48 PM

Sir SkratchaLot

08-12-2009, 02:08 PM

"Accusations of sexism came thick and fast, especially over the track 'Girls.'Although the cheesy Casio organ backing might have hinted to more open-minded critics, that a certain level of irony was at work"

Whoah, you just said "came thick and fast . . . over Girls". Pretty cool Beavis.

mathcart

08-12-2009, 05:41 PM

Whoah, you just said "came thick and fast . . . over Girls". Pretty cool Beavis.

YEAH, THAT WAS COOL! FIRE! FIRE!

dammit- beastiemania said it, not me...

mathcart

08-12-2009, 05:49 PM

i back this...dance with the girl that brung ya!

IMO, sabotage is just as played out as FFYR....how could you get amped up at the end of the show when you know what's coming based on the past 15 years....

YES!!!!

and yet I still always do! weird. but its definetely a little stale.

After this whole Yauch thing is over and they make their comeback, it would absolutely, 120% be an appropriate opener at that point.

Very good idea. Be cool to see!

I always thought 'sure shot' or 'time to get ill' could serve as legitimate closers also.

Agreed! Those are heaters live. I think one of my favorite song they do live at this point is SYR (which of late has been the only PB era representative in the setlist!). It's so damn good live now, I would be completely happy if that closed a show!

This is a thread that should happen immediately- I could talk about this all day!
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Laver1969

08-12-2009, 09:53 PM

Seriously, though. I get the feeling they might have been rehearsing FFYR with instruments for the pageant shows when they decided they could do So Watcha Want and Do it with instruments, too.

Did you mention this before? Or did I dream it? But I thought I read/heard somewhere that they were toying with the idea at one point.

DJ Pioneer

08-13-2009, 12:44 PM

How about a live mashup with MMM "You Gotta Fight For Your Right To Shake Your Rump":)

In reality, it's kind of funny because other bands in the BBoys position, bands that first hit it big in the 80's, still rely on their original hits to get by. Thank God the Beasties made sooooo many great records since then.

On the flipside, it's also funny that the band doesn't ever play their most well known song at their live shows. What year did they quit playing it (approximately)?

mickill

08-13-2009, 02:02 PM

It's always a tossup for me between LTI and CYH for that second spot. Goes without saying, but PB gets the uno.

MIKEtotheD

08-13-2009, 03:07 PM

What year did they quit playing it (approximately)?

According to Beastiemania, the last known performance of FFYR was August 20th, 1987 at Madison Square Garden.

Brother McDuff

08-14-2009, 03:56 AM

According to Beastiemania, the last known performance of FFYR was August 20th, 1987 at Madison Square Garden.

wow, that's wild. just imagine how bananas it's gonna be the first (and possibly only) time they pull that cut back out. it's inevitable, I think. we'll probly have to wait for the farewell tour (or show) for that one, though I'm not in any hurry for that circumstance to crop up. :o

Michelle*s_Farm

08-18-2009, 05:55 AM

wow, that's wild. just imagine how bananas it's gonna be the first (and possibly only) time they pull that cut back out. it's inevitable, I think. we'll probly have to wait for the farewell tour (or show) for that one, though I'm not in any hurry for that circumstance to crop up. :o

i do not think they will ever play FFYR again. especially after the recent 'slew' of covers of FFYR. however if they do decide to play it (albeit unlikely) they could radically change the lyrics, beats etc to making it a fresh track somehow. that might be neat. is it possible to make a hardcore version of FFYR?