The "ignore" thread

[QueenAdrock]

Anyone want to have a real debate now? :p

I'd like to talk about health care, and what you all would like to see done, what Obama should change or promote in his plan.

I'm not sure Canadian-style health insurance would work in America, though I'd like it to. Discuss!

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Anyone want to have a real debate now? :p

I'd like to talk about health care, and what you all would like to see done, what Obama should change or promote in his plan.

I'm not sure Canadian-style health insurance would work in America, though I'd like it to. Discuss!

I think when the US Government colluded with America's capitalists to start marketing and selling health and well-being aka "wealth and hell-being" (a moral travesty and mistake 1) pandora's box was opened and it is impossible for the US to have what Canada and the United Kingdom currently have (Health Canada's Medicare and NHS Trust respectively). In a sense America's health and well-being was a casualty of greed and immoral free market capitalism. I think most people appreciate that the US health care system does not work for the greatest good -- unfortunately the richest capitalists behind the healthcare industry are not shunned for believing it does work (mistake 2). I cannot see how change is possible. It would be like trying to get rid of the tax system at this point. The only possibility seems sadly to be a genuine revolution (American Revolution Part Deux) over US health care atrocities (e.g., organised protest, avoiding employers who maintain the status quo, changing voting patterns etc). The government and the people should never have sold their rights to healthcare away. It is very sad. I feel sorry for America and their current situation since so many people live their lives without the basic human right to proper health services. Once again, a genuine revolution is the only option at this point. Which is sad as well because of the potential fall out.

So that is my two cents worth -- now let the verbal bashing begin. I expect our friend RobMoney to be the first critic of the statements above but I am not psychic :)

[RobMoney$]

soo classy.

can you grow up?

[DroppinScience]

soo classy.

can you grow up?

So much for the ignore button. :p

[ToucanSpam]

Canadian style health insurance doesn't work very well in Canada, so I would assume the same problems would happen on a larger scale in the United States. The wait times and the shortage of medical professionals come to mind. Of course, it is possible the latter issue would be resolved if both countries agree upon a more appropriate salary for medical professionals.

I shouldn't be complaining about my country's health care system since I have reaped the benefits since birth...

[kaiser soze]

I'm ignoring you la la la la la la la

Anyways I'm not too keen on COBRA, never have been never will be. The shit is expensive and is offered to part time people without medical coverage as an option. Too bad it'll cost them 75% of their paycheck.

reform COBRA or kill it.

[kaiser soze]

After watching bits and clips of a couple town hall meetings , I'm very curious about the people complaining about government's relationship with healthcare

Are these people asking the government to cancel their medicare?

buduh ching!

[QueenAdrock]

Hey! This was supposed to be a Rob$-free thread!

I agree with COBRA. I had it for a few months since my dad's insurance kicks you off at 21, regardless of student status. $300 a month! THREE HUNDRED! It was absolutely ridiculous.

What I don't like about insurance companies now is the ridiculous deductibles. You either pay a high premium, or a high deductible. When I was looking for new insurance, I saw I could pay $60 a month for BCBS, but the deductible was $5,000. So, if I broke my leg, I'd have to pay that deductible before they paid anything...kinda seems like I don't have insurance in the first place, no?

It just seems ridiculous that they charge so much and make so much profit. I don't know how their CEOs can sleep at night.

[Documad]

After watching bits and clips of a couple town hall meetings , I'm very curious about the people complaining about government's relationship with healthcare

Are these people asking the government to cancel their medicare?

buduh ching!

I actually wonder sometimes. Whenever I see clips it seems like the people who are most upset are likely on medicare. They seem old enough. It makes me sad to think that they are getting so worked up about something they clearly don't understand.

I myself have no idea. I would sure like to see a coherent and detailed explanation before a law is passed.

[kaiser soze]

I truly believe they just don't know and are listening to the RICH conservative talking heads who are trying to keep them blind and into thinking "investing" in healthcare is in their best interest

Remember when bush tried to push killing SSI for private investment, do we have any idea how much would have been lost during this recent economic crash?

Seriously these people have no idea what they are fighting....I fear for many it might be their own interests.

[saz]

Canadian style health insurance doesn't work very well in Canada, so I would assume the same problems would happen on a larger scale in the United States. The wait times and the shortage of medical professionals come to mind. Of course, it is possible the latter issue would be resolved if both countries agree upon a more appropriate salary for medical professionals.

I shouldn't be complaining about my country's health care system since I have reaped the benefits since birth...

no it works extremely well. but sure, there are some problems like wait times, thanks in large part to cut backs by the federal government in the 1990s, but the problems aren't as far-fetched as the neo cons make them out to be. my father had serious, major surgery a few years back and we didn't have to wait at all for his operation.

debunking canadian health care myths (http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_12523427)

[QueenAdrock]

I've heard a few times that Canadian doctors will go south of the border because they make a lot more money in the US, which contributes to the shortage of doctors and long wait times. Now, if the US adopted a universal healthcare plan like Canada's, I'm assuming there wouldn't be much of an incentive for them to jump the border as they have been doing, and wait times in Canada would not be as bad as they are now. Thoughts?

[yeahwho]

I'm currently watching President Obama's Healthcare Town meeting (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=2n&tag=watchnow), it's very good.

[yeahwho]

now I'm watching General Hospital (http://beta.abc.go.com/shows/general-hospital), where Jerry and Jason play a game of cat and mouse; Mac uncovers Dominic's secret.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

soo classy.

can you grow up?

I cannot grow up and you are right I am not particularly classy.
But I should point I like when people disagree with me -- sometimes
I learn something new (e.g., a different perspective). When I wrote my comments I did not mean that I did not want to read your thoughts on this debate. I hope that is clearer now.

[RobMoney$]

my comments weren't directed at you, Michelle'sFarm, they were directed at QA.


I come here to debate issues.
When topics start degrading into personal attacks, it's time to end them.

If Lambert and QA want to honestly debate politics, I'm all ears.
But if they're just trying to personally attack me in an effort to discredit my POV on the debate, I think that serves no one.

Why would someone post on a political MB if they weren't interested in hearing an opposing view?

[QueenAdrock]

"You're gay" out of nowhere and having nothing to do with the topic at hand surely is classy, grown up, and everything that Rob$ accuses us of. I wonder if he even sees the hypocrisy. Who knows? Kettle, pot, black, etc.

I'm interested in hearing intelligent, well-thought out opposing viewpoints. I liked Sam I Am, because he was always respectful and would come up with good arguments (regardless of how much I disagreed with his opinion). I like reading saz's and Michelle's comments, too. They're more to the left than I am, and bring a good perspective to the debate. And Documad is more centrist I am, and a logical thinker, so I always enjoy what she has to say, too. Differing opinions are good. Just stealing other people's words and claiming them to be your own, suckling at the teat of FOX News, and pulling the played-out Nazi card against Obama in the most ridiculous way isn't really intellectual debate. If I wanted to hear that stuff, I'd just turn it to Glenn Beck.

Now that that's cleared up, back to the topic at hand. Anyone have any thoughts on how it would affect Canada if the US adopted a similar type of care?

[RobMoney$]

"You're gay" out of nowhere and having nothing to do with the topic at hand surely is classy, grown up, and everything that Rob$ accuses us of. I wonder if he even sees the hypocrisy. Who knows? Kettle, pot, black, etc.

Out of nowhere? C'mon.
That comment was a response to this comment:

DS: Well, his credibility has been shot for quite some time. It's a thankless job trying to talk truth to stupid, but somebody's gotta do it.[/quote]

I'm not one for reporting shit to the admins. But this is uncalled for.
My response was also childish, but take some fucking responsibility for the role both of you two played.



I'm interested in hearing intelligent, well-thought out opposing viewpoints. I liked Sam I Am, because he was always respectful and would come up with good arguments (regardless of how much I disagreed with his opinion). I like reading saz's and Michelle's comments, too. They're more to the left than I am, and bring a good perspective to the debate. And Documad is more centrist I am, and a logical thinker, so I always enjoy what she has to say, too. Differing opinions are good. Just stealing other people's words and claiming them to be your own, suckling at the teat of FOX News, and pulling the played-out Nazi card against Obama in the most ridiculous way isn't really intellectual debate. If I wanted to hear that stuff, I'd just turn it to Glenn Beck.

I realize you'd like to stereotype all conservatives as FOX News, Beck, or Rush loyalists, but I assure you I subscribe to none of them. I've never talked or used anything from any of those idiots.

Way to stereotype tho.


Also, being a self-described lefty. Opinions from people even more left of you aren't exactly differing opinions.
This place would be nothing more than a liberal circle-jerk.

You're seriously coming off like a spoiled little brat IMO.
Delving into personal insults to try to win an argument, lack of ability to take responsibility, not showing opponents a level of respect.
Like a child at play.

[ToucanSpam]

I've heard a few times that Canadian doctors will go south of the border because they make a lot more money in the US, which contributes to the shortage of doctors and long wait times. Now, if the US adopted a universal healthcare plan like Canada's, I'm assuming there wouldn't be much of an incentive for them to jump the border as they have been doing, and wait times in Canada would not be as bad as they are now. Thoughts?

That's what I was thinking. Two of the reasons why I would argue the Canadian health care system doesn't work so well is the wait time and what you're alluding to, sometimes called "brain drain". If all of the countries in North America had the same system there might be less incentive to cross the border looking to open a private practice...but there might still be a shortage of doctors within the system because there's less incentive to become a doctor in the first place if all it will lead to is a standardized job in a nationally owned an operated hospital. But I have no proof to back up my point because it's all hypothetical.

The waits in Canada can be brutal sometimes:

http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/170/5/776-a

Not good enough.

[Schmeltz]

I come here to debate issues.


No you don't, you come here to copy and paste things other people have written, and then pretend that you're here debating issues. Where do you get off lecturing people about respect and responsibility? Like you're such a shining example of those two virtues.

[RobMoney$]

The mere fact that I havent ripped you to shreds yet should be an example of my showing opponents a certain level of respect.

[saz]

I realize you'd like to stereotype all conservatives as FOX News, Beck, or Rush loyalists, but I assure you I subscribe to none of them. I've never talked or used anything from any of those idiots.

except for the whole obama = hitler thing, which limbaugh has been proclaiming of late and has been condemned by the american jewish league, the anti-defamation league, and rabbi marvin hier, dean and founder of the simon wiesenthal center. plus there's the linking of michele bachmann and michelle malkan, two more completely irrational and crazy wingnuts.


Also, being a self-described lefty. Opinions from people even more left of you aren't exactly differing opinions.
This place would be nothing more than a liberal circle-jerk.

not at all. i took a lot of heat for supporting nader on here. and there were quite a few libertarians and ron paul supporters posting as well during the '08 election.

[QueenAdrock]

lol, I knew Rob wouldn't be able to ignore us more than a couple hours. Guess this "spoiled little brat" must have hit a nerve? :p Funny how he thinks calling his argument "stupid" in a forum where we argue opinions should be followed up with calling the person gay. I guess when you have nothing else to say to defend your position, you gotta resort to that sort of thing.

Anyways, I think doctors would still have incentive to become doctors. I hate when people say that doctors wouldn't go into the profession if it was nationalized -- all of the doctors I know got into it because they wanted to help people. Yes, the money is a good incentive, but it's not the main reason why they do it. We'd still have quality doctors, and they'd still make a ton of money.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

my comments weren't directed at you, Michelle'sFarm, they were directed at QA.


oops -- thanks for the clarification.

[RobMoney$]

Way to yet again not take any responsibility.
I dropped the ignore thing because as an adult, I'd figure I'd give you the opportunity to start a new day and debate as an adult.

You failed. The personal shit continues.


Enjoy your circle jerk.

[QueenAdrock]

Sorry I hurt your feelings. :(

Friends?

[yeahwho]

soo classy.

can you grow up?

my comments weren't directed at you, Michelle'sFarm, they were directed at QA.


I come here to debate issues.
When topics start degrading into personal attacks, it's time to end them.

If Lambert and QA want to honestly debate politics, I'm all ears.
But if they're just trying to personally attack me in an effort to discredit my POV on the debate, I think that serves no one.

Why would someone post on a political MB if they weren't interested in hearing an opposing view?

Out of nowhere? C'mon.
That comment was a response to this comment:

DS: Well, his credibility has been shot for quite some time. It's a thankless job trying to talk truth to stupid, but somebody's gotta do it.

I'm not one for reporting shit to the admins. But this is uncalled for.
My response was also childish, but take some fucking responsibility for the role both of you two played.





I realize you'd like to stereotype all conservatives as FOX News, Beck, or Rush loyalists, but I assure you I subscribe to none of them. I've never talked or used anything from any of those idiots.

Way to stereotype tho.


Also, being a self-described lefty. Opinions from people even more left of you aren't exactly differing opinions.
This place would be nothing more than a liberal circle-jerk.

You're seriously coming off like a spoiled little brat IMO.
Delving into personal insults to try to win an argument, lack of ability to take responsibility, not showing opponents a level of respect.
Like a child at play.[/QUOTE]

The mere fact that I havent ripped you to shreds yet should be an example of my showing opponents a certain level of respect.

Way to yet again not take any responsibility.
I dropped the ignore thing because as an adult, I'd figure I'd give you the opportunity to start a new day and debate as an adult.

You failed. The personal shit continues.


Enjoy your circle jerk.

What are you debating? Yourself and what a badass you are? Wheres your alternate health care ideas to Obama's health care ideas?

[yeahwho]

soo classy.

can you grow up?

my comments weren't directed at you, Michelle'sFarm, they were directed at QA.


I come here to debate issues.
When topics start degrading into personal attacks, it's time to end them.

If Lambert and QA want to honestly debate politics, I'm all ears.
But if they're just trying to personally attack me in an effort to discredit my POV on the debate, I think that serves no one.

Why would someone post on a political MB if they weren't interested in hearing an opposing view?

Out of nowhere? C'mon.
That comment was a response to this comment:

DS: Well, his credibility has been shot for quite some time. It's a thankless job trying to talk truth to stupid, but somebody's gotta do it.

I'm not one for reporting shit to the admins. But this is uncalled for.
My response was also childish, but take some fucking responsibility for the role both of you two played.





I realize you'd like to stereotype all conservatives as FOX News, Beck, or Rush loyalists, but I assure you I subscribe to none of them. I've never talked or used anything from any of those idiots.

Way to stereotype tho.


Also, being a self-described lefty. Opinions from people even more left of you aren't exactly differing opinions.
This place would be nothing more than a liberal circle-jerk.

You're seriously coming off like a spoiled little brat IMO.
Delving into personal insults to try to win an argument, lack of ability to take responsibility, not showing opponents a level of respect.
Like a child at play.

The mere fact that I havent ripped you to shreds yet should be an example of my showing opponents a certain level of respect.

Way to yet again not take any responsibility.
I dropped the ignore thing because as an adult, I'd figure I'd give you the opportunity to start a new day and debate as an adult.

You failed. The personal shit continues.


Enjoy your circle jerk.

What are you debating? Yourself and what a badass you are? Wheres your alternate health care ideas to Obama's health care ideas?

[Dorothy Wood]

it's no use asking, yeahwho, if he actually answers, he'll probably just be copying and pasting something someone else said.

[Burnout18]

I think healthcare costs are too high... congress can lower healthcare costs by capping premiums paid by docs and hospitals for malpractice insurance.

there, then the govt can get into the insurance business.

Obama made a comment today about how Fedex and Ups are doing great up against the post office. I guess he said this to quiet those who think that public healthcare will destroy the private insurance sector. Right Wingers are enjoying this comment because it points out that a quasi govt program sucks when compared to a corporation.

Not to speak for obama, but that isn't the point. The post office is there to provide a government service for those who need it. Thats what i think the public healthcare should be there for. For those who have to pay for cobra, like post college aged young adults, or people with dead-end jobs, or maybe people who are there own individual corporation. My cousin drives a truck, but doesn't meet any standards to join a union, so he has to pay for shit out of pocket. Thats who the public healthcare is for.

[yeahwho]

Obama made a comment today about how Fedex and Ups are doing great up against the post office. I guess he said this to quiet those who think that public healthcare will destroy the private insurance sector. Right Wingers are enjoying this comment because it points out that a quasi govt program sucks when compared to a corporation.



Then those morons should pull up their mailboxes and go exclusively with Fedex and UPS. That is an extremely weak arguing point.

[Bob]

when you consider the magnitude of its task, i think the postal service performs really quite well actually.

[DroppinScience]

it's no use asking, yeahwho, if he actually answers, he'll probably just be copying and pasting something someone else said.

Hey man, that's no different than posting a Rasmussen poll. Gawd!

Campus fuckfaces.

[QueenAdrock]

when you consider the magnitude of its task, i think the postal service performs really quite well actually.

I think so too. I don't really like Canada Mail. They charge you $30 every time you switch addresses (in the US, I think it was something like a dollar, or nothing). And they do no at-house pick-up (i.e., no flags on mailboxes), and they're closed ALL WEEKEND. US Post is pretty superior, in my opinion.

[Bob]

i don't think i've ever had to pay to switch addresses. even setting up a forwarding address is free and easy as piss, though they do occasionally miss an item or two.

[Burnout18]

I think so too. I don't really like Canada Mail. They charge you $30 every time you switch addresses (in the US, I think it was something like a dollar, or nothing). And they do no at-house pick-up (i.e., no flags on mailboxes), and they're closed ALL WEEKEND. US Post is pretty superior, in my opinion.

Yes and American healthcare can also be superior.

[Phantom Menace]

That's what I was thinking. Two of the reasons why I would argue the Canadian health care system doesn't work so well is the wait time and what you're alluding to, sometimes called "brain drain". If all of the countries in North America had the same system there might be less incentive to cross the border looking to open a private practice...but there might still be a shortage of doctors within the system because there's less incentive to become a doctor in the first place if all it will lead to is a standardized job in a nationally owned an operated hospital. But I have no proof to back up my point because it's all hypothetical.

The waits in Canada can be brutal sometimes:

http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/170/5/776-a

Not good enough.

We're not mimicking or stylizing The US health care reform with Canada as a template.

No Boogeyman Here, Obama Says Canada’s Health Care System Not Scary (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/08/no-boogeyman-here-obama-says-canadas-health-care-system-not-scary.html)

“I've said that the Canadian model works for Canada,” Obama said, “It would not work for the United States, in part simply because we've evolved differently. We have a employer-based system and a private-based health care system that stands side-by-side with Medicare and Medicaid and our Veterans Administration health care system. And so, we've got to develop a uniquely American approach to this problem.”

Canada’s single-payer, publicly funded model of health care has been used as a political football domestically by critics of Mr. Obama’s. Groups like Patient United Now have put up ads to give dire warnings about the negatives of Canada’s health care system, having first person testimonials of long waits and refusals for treatment, connecting those problems to the administration’s proposals.

I heard today on the radio that a larger percentage of Canadians do actually see the same doctor throughout their lives than US citizens. I cannot find anything to back that up, so maybe it's just because Canada's total population is 34,578 people.

[Bob]

Yes and American healthcare can also be superior.

if you can afford it, sure

[saz]

I heard today on the radio that a larger percentage of Canadians do actually see the same doctor throughout their lives than US citizens. I cannot find anything to back that up, so maybe it's just because Canada's total population is 34,578 people.

try 33,743,331

[ToucanSpam]

We're not mimicking or stylizing The US health care reform with Canada as a template.

No Boogeyman Here, Obama Says Canada’s Health Care System Not Scary (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/08/no-boogeyman-here-obama-says-canadas-health-care-system-not-scary.html)

“I've said that the Canadian model works for Canada,” Obama said, “It would not work for the United States, in part simply because we've evolved differently. We have a employer-based system and a private-based health care system that stands side-by-side with Medicare and Medicaid and our Veterans Administration health care system. And so, we've got to develop a uniquely American approach to this problem.”

Canada’s single-payer, publicly funded model of health care has been used as a political football domestically by critics of Mr. Obama’s. Groups like Patient United Now have put up ads to give dire warnings about the negatives of Canada’s health care system, having first person testimonials of long waits and refusals for treatment, connecting those problems to the administration’s proposals.

I heard today on the radio that a larger percentage of Canadians do actually see the same doctor throughout their lives than US citizens. I cannot find anything to back that up, so maybe it's just because Canada's total population is 34,578 people.

I know you're being funny but our population is actually around 30 million. I do know a large number of people from smaller communities who do have the same family doctor; of course, this changes if they bother to move away from the place they were born, which happens quite often in Atlantic Canada. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's not uncommon to have the same doctor, but it depends on the region of the country you live in.

I would think Canada has a decent template for other countries to use for a national health care system. Aside from my two points I really have no place to be complaining about it. For some reason, I find Atlantic Canadians gripe about it more than anyone...go figure.

Anyways, I think doctors would still have incentive to become doctors. I hate when people say that doctors wouldn't go into the profession if it was nationalized -- all of the doctors I know got into it because they wanted to help people. Yes, the money is a good incentive, but it's not the main reason why they do it. We'd still have quality doctors, and they'd still make a ton of money.

Just to be clear I wasn't implying that nationalization of health care is necessarily a bad thing, just that there are certainly issues that need to be addressed more vigorously. I believe that there are already measures being taken to address the very long wait period for some Canadians. But you can't deny that if you lived next door to a place where you could earn more for you practice, especially coming out of university with a gigantic loan, you wouldn't try to earn more money as fast as you can. I'm not advocating that practice, but it would be common sense to want to eliminate debt out of med school by grabbing a job at a private practice.

[kaiser soze]

Honestly for most of those stirring up a fit over this

Is it about the reform or is it about the party that is in majority behind the reform?

I'm going to go with the latter for at least 75% of those pitching a fit

[Schmeltz]

The mere fact that I havent ripped you to shreds yet should be an example of my showing opponents a certain level of respect.

What the hell are you talking about? The one time you tried to "rip me to shreds" turned out to be a shoddy cut-and-paste job that you pretended you'd spent all night coming up with. Pathetic. If you had (or deserved) any respect you'd at least try to substantiate your opinions.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

I think healthcare costs are too high... congress can lower healthcare costs by capping premiums paid by docs and hospitals for malpractice insurance.

there, then the govt can get into the insurance business.

Obama made a comment today about how Fedex and Ups are doing great up against the post office. I guess he said this to quiet those who think that public healthcare will destroy the private insurance sector. Right Wingers are enjoying this comment because it points out that a quasi govt program sucks when compared to a corporation.

Not to speak for obama, but that isn't the point. The post office is there to provide a government service for those who need it. Thats what i think the public healthcare should be there for. For those who have to pay for cobra, like post college aged young adults, or people with dead-end jobs, or maybe people who are there own individual corporation. My cousin drives a truck, but doesn't meet any standards to join a union, so he has to pay for shit out of pocket. Thats who the public healthcare is for.

That seems reasonable to me in a number of ways -- a balanced viewpoint possibly appealing to people on 'both sides of the aisle' (lame expression I know as it implies there is only one aisle).

I think a government that provides 'free' health services with your taxes is a good one -- simple as that. The health services industry (in contrast) is about making money (i.e., maximising their profit at your expense). A true health service provider (by definition) should be about caring for people (not money making). There appears to me to be an inherent contradiction in a capitalistic health service. It is wrong for a "government of the people" to sell health and well-being to its citizens. A government could correct this situation in theory. However due to US historical and cultural legacy it may be too late. For many people in America it is considered to be morally sound to sell health. I think they are sadly mistaken for the following reasons specified below:

It is wrong that a government collects income tax (on almost every dollar of income), sales tax (on almost every item), road tax (tolls on some highways), sin tax (extra costs for cigs & booze), death tax on previously taxed income (hard to believe I know) and NOT provide universal healthcare (how can they get away with this in good conscience?). I think all this tax investment surely entitles one to the best healthcare in the world (especially when there are millions of people paying into such a tax system that takes so much of every dollar earned). Instead the US government spends its money on the military industrial complex (a shame beyond all proportions and belief).

Americans should be pissed off!

[Bob]

Americans should be pissed off!

they are, but over disturbing things (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-10-2009/healther-skelter)

[kaiser soze]

(y)

Healther Skelter...haha!

I love how the conservatives end up stuffing their words in their ass all the time

[b i o n i c]

why is this called the "ignore" thread and why is everyone posting in it?

[kaiser soze]

did anyone hear something?

:confused:

[QueenAdrock]

Who said that? And what's that smell??

[b i o n i c]

im hiding in the bushes!

[Michelle*s_Farm]

why is this called the "ignore" thread and why is everyone posting in it?

it is just like that cursed psychological test where you are instructed not to think of white elephants. i could not help but be drawn to something called "ignore". just like a naked person in a window -- pretty hard not to
take a peak.

[b i o n i c]

there is not one person on this message board who uses the ignore button. not one.

[ToucanSpam]

I do.

[yeahwho]

I use the ignorant button every time I post.

[b i o n i c]

I do.

stop lyin!

[ToucanSpam]

stop lyin!

Totally not lying. I've got a couple on there. I don't think any of them post anymore, so it's kind of pointless to leave them on ignore, I guess.