Ted Kennedy died

[Burnout18]

End of an era in american politics.... His brothers had such an impact on american politics and our culture, and i guess you can say he was right there with them. I don't know who will step up and run for his seat, but even if it is another kennedy, there won't be the same aura around him/her.

[saz]

agreed

r.i.p.

[YoungRemy]

CNN is forced to pull away from Michael Jackson coverage...

Ted Kennedy served his country well until his dying day...

[valvano]

at least he can't drown anybody in hell.....

[saz]

at least he can't drown anybody in hell.....

for fuck's sake, you really have no shame.

asshole.

[valvano]

for fuck's sake, you really have no shame.

asshole.

obviously Ted Kennedy had no shame when he left that girl to drown in his car while he went to a party....

the guy was a trust fund kid who got away with murder because he was a Kennedy...

[RobMoney$]

Let's be real, Teddy was far from honarable man.

[saz]

obviously Ted Kennedy had no shame when he left that girl to drown in his car while he went to a party....

the guy was a trust fund kid who got away with murder because he was a Kennedy...

oh were you there down there with him and mary jo kopechne?

shut the fuck up.

[YoungRemy]

he was a Rock in the US Senate...

[valvano]

oh were you there down there with him and mary jo kopechne?

shut the fuck up.

where you there? then YOU shut up.
a real man would have never been in that situation in the first place...
and at a minimum step up and take responsibility for his actions...

[YoungRemy]

where you there? then YOU shut up.
a real man would have never been in that situation in the first place...
and at a minimum step up and take responsibility for his actions...

yeah, that ruined his bid for presidential election in 1980 but didn't stop him from contributing his efforts towards causes like health care, immigration, end education reform.

god forbid...

[Whatitis]

Never been a big fan of any Kennedy but I admire his public service. RIP





My dad and Ted Kennedy have something in common...they both passed on the same day. :(

[saz]

where you there? then YOU shut up.
a real man would have never been in that situation in the first place...
and at a minimum step up and take responsibility for his actions...

uh, he did take responsibility. anyways, we all know how low, petty and pathetic (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=92026) you are.

[kaiser soze]

sorry to hear about your dad :(

mine died a week ago.

Anyways, Ted Kennedy was admired and reviled - what is new in politics

valvano...you never bitched about Laura Bush having killed someone so why bitch now?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp

[saz]

thanks kaiser. and when laura bush unfortunately passes one day, i hope no one holds that against her.

[valvano]

sorry to hear about your dad :(

mine died a week ago.

Anyways, Ted Kennedy was admired and reviled - what is new in politics

valvano...you never bitched about Laura Bush having killed someone so why bitch now?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp

laura bush isnt an elected politician and was a minor at the time...you probably never heard of this incident till it was referenced on Family Guy :rolleyes:
you are grasping at straws...

[kaiser soze]

that doesn't change the fact she killed someone and also has been given a break through the same kind of entitlement your placing on Kennedy.

your desperation to smear is beyond grasping at straws, it continues to be deplorable just like your exploitation of others misfortune for political gain.

and no I didn't see it on Family Guy, but it appears you have.

[valvano]

that doesn't change the fact she killed someone and also has been given a break through the same kind of entitlement your placing on Kennedy.

your desperation to smear is beyond grasping at straws, it continues to be deplorable just like your exploitation of others misfortune for political gain.

and no I didn't see it on Family Guy, but it appears you have.

teen age drivers creating car wreck at an intersection resulting in death: sad

driving to a party while drunk with a woman, crashing in water, leaving woman to drown while you escape and go ahead and attend party, wait till next day to report incident..

tell me again how the two are related???:confused:

[DroppinScience]

Can someone just ban this piece of shit already? It's depressing to click this thread and see within 5 replies valvano -- ever the repugnant right-winger -- comes in with this nonsense.

Anyways, RIP Ted Kennedy! :(

[travesty]

That guy was a doooosh and epitomized the worst in career politicians.
Maybe we are finally rid of the Kennedy family in US politics for good. That would be refreshing.

Yeah, yeah I know....I'am an asshole. Save your breath. I don't care.

[DroppinScience]

That guy was a doooosh and epitomized the worst in career politicians.
Maybe we are finally rid of the Kennedy family in US politics for good. That would be refreshing.

Yeah, yeah I know....I'am an asshole. Save your breath. I don't care.

You can politically disagree with the man, but yes, you ARE an asshole. Just don't follow the same conduct as valvano, okay?

[travesty]

"teddy" should have bought a VW! (http://jalopnik.com/5345995/edward-kennedy-statesman-and-terrible-driver-dead-at-77)

[saz]

teen age drivers creating car wreck at an intersection resulting in death: sad

driving to a party while drunk with a woman, crashing in water, leaving woman to drown while you escape and go ahead and attend party, wait till next day to report incident..

tell me again how the two are related???:confused:

he tried to save her but he couldn't, as he sustained a cerebral concussion and shock, and obviously was panicking. mary jo kopechne's family didn't take any legal action against kennedy, and the dukes county district attorney informed the grand jury that there wasn't any evidence to charge kennedy with manslaughter.

[travesty]

You can politically disagree with the man, but yes, you ARE an asshole. Just don't follow the same conduct as valvano, okay?

I disagreed with him politically, morally, ethically and spiritually. He was nothing more than a rich white elitist career politician that thought his shit didn't stink.

[QueenAdrock]

R.I.P. He's done so much for this country and he'll be missed.

[valvano]

Can someone just ban this piece of shit already? It's depressing to click this thread and see within 5 replies valvano -- ever the repugnant right-winger -- comes in with this nonsense.

Anyways, RIP Ted Kennedy! :(

^interpretation : somebody is telling the ugly truth about our liberal icon who just died....please make it stop!!!:p

[RobMoney$]

Can someone just ban this piece of shit already? It's depressing to click this thread and see within 5 replies valvano -- ever the repugnant right-winger -- comes in with this nonsense.

Anyways, RIP Ted Kennedy! :(


Because internet message board threads are just that serious.

[DroppinScience]

^interpretation : somebody is telling the ugly truth about our liberal icon who just died....please make it stop!!!:p

But actually you are leaving out all the pertinent facts that saz is helpfully pointing out when it came to Mary Jo Kepechne.

[RobMoney$]

Oh, and BTW.
Dems are down to 59 seats.

THE FILIBUSTERING WILL NOW COMMENCE!!!

[valvano]

yeah, sounds like a the Great American Hero:

he tried to save her but he couldn't, as he sustained a cerebral concussion and shock, and obviously was panicking. mary jo kopechne's family didn't take any legal action against kennedy, and the dukes county district attorney informed the grand jury that there wasn't any evidence to charge kennedy with manslaughter.

"Kennedy claimed at the inquest that he called Kopechne's name several times from the shore, then tried to swim down to reach her seven or eight times, then rested on the bank for around fifteen minutes before returning on foot to Lawrence Cottage, where the party attended by Kopechne and other "Boiler Room Girls" had occurred. Kennedy denied seeing any house with a light on during his journey back to Lawrence Cottage.[7]


"Dike House" along Dike Road.In addition to the working telephone at the Lawrence Cottage, according to one commentator, his route back to the cottage would have taken him past four houses from which he could have telephoned and summoned help; however, he did not do so.[8] The first of those houses, referred to as "Dike House", was only 150 yards away from the bridge, and was occupied by Sylvia Malm and her family at the time of the incident. Malm later stated that she had left a light on at the residence when she retired for that evening.[9]

According to Kennedy's testimony, Gargan and party co-host Paul Markham then returned to the pond with Kennedy to try to rescue Kopechne. Both of the other men also tried to dive into the water and rescue Kopechne multiple times.[1] When their efforts to rescue Kopechne failed, Kennedy testified, Gargan and Markham drove with Kennedy to the ferry landing, both insisting multiple times that the accident had to be reported to the authorities.[10] According to Markham's testimony Kennedy was sobbing and on the verge of breaking down.[11] Kennedy went on to testify that "[I] had full intention of reporting it. And I mentioned to Gargan and Markham something like, 'You take care of the other girls; I will take care of the accident!' – that is what I said and I dove into the water".[10] Kennedy had already told Gargan and Markham not to tell the other women anything about the incident "[b]ecause I felt strongly that if these girls were notified that an accident had taken place and Mary Jo had, in fact, drowned, that it would only be a matter of seconds before all of those girls, who were long and dear friends of Mary Jo's, would go to the scene of the accident and enter the water with, I felt, a good chance that some serious mishap might have occurred to any one of them".[12] Gargan and Markam would testify that they assumed that Kennedy was going to inform the authorities once he got back to Edgartown, and thus did not do so themselves.[2]

According to his own testimony, Kennedy swam across the 500-foot channel, back to Edgartown and returned to his hotel room, where he removed his clothes and collapsed on his bed.[12] Hearing noises, he later put on dry clothes and asked someone what the time was: it was something like 2:30 a.m., the senator recalled. He testified that, as the night went on, "I almost tossed and turned and walked around that room ... I had not given up hope all night long that, by some miracle, Mary Jo would have escaped from the car."[13]

Back at his hotel, Kennedy complained at 2:55 am to the hotel owner that he had been awoken by a noisy party.[2] By 7:30 am the next morning he was talking "casually" to the winner of the previous day's sailing race, with no indication that anything was amiss.[2] At 8 a.m., Gargan and Markham joined Kennedy at his hotel where they had a "heated conversation." According to Kennedy's testimony, the two men asked why he hadn't reported the accident. Kennedy responded by telling them "about my own thoughts and feelings as I swam across that channel ... that somehow when they arrived in the morning that they were going to say that Mary Jo was still alive".[13] The three men subsequently crossed back to Chappaquiddick Island on the ferry, where Kennedy made a series of phone calls from a payphone by the crossing to his friends for advice; he again did not report the accident to authorities.[2]

[Echewta]

Usually when someone makes a post about someone passing away who I don't like or care for, I tend to move on and let those who care say what they need to say.

I suggest many of you do the same.

[Burnout18]

Valvano represents most of the ring wing on the internets today. A liberal icon died, and it they think they have a reason to celebrate.

Not to mention the irony of a guy named valvano gloating over someone killed off by cancer.....

[valvano]

let's go ahead and review the rest of Camelot while we pay tribute to Ted:

As Ted Kennedy's malignant brain tumor became public knowledge, opponents, friends, and pundits rushed to laud his accomplishments. Serving in the Senate since 1964, Ted Kennedy has been one of our most accomplished legislators. He has a big heart, works hard, and is extremely knowledgeable about both legislative content and procedure. Sometimes Kennedy (as when he vehemently opposed entering the war in Iraq) seems like the only American politician who can speak his mind freely. His efforts on behalf of those without privilege or power - as in the case of health care - are especially important and admirable.

Little has been said about his prior legal, marital, and ethical lapses, on the other hand. These are typical omissions in polite society. (I wonder if supporters feel that if they don't remind God of his lapses, Kennedy is more likely to get into Heaven.) However, as scientists of the mind, we at PT blogs are obligated to consider the entire range of human behavior. And the various Kennedys' sexual misdeeds are so notable that they raise - once again - the question of the relationship between power, recklessness, and sex. (See Why Politicians Get Laid More - the Low Road to the High Life and Sex Addicts Anonymous Meeting, Politicians' Division)

Here, in reverse order of importance, are the top seven Kennedy sex scandals:

7. Joe Kennedy, son of Robert Kennedy and former Congressman, secretly had his 12-year marriage to Sheila Rauch annulled by the Vatican. Rauch only found out about the annulment years later, after Kennedy remarried. She wrote a very angry book about the experience, Shattered Faith, since the Church's decreeing that the marriage never existed left her twin sons in everlasting limbo. Rauch pointed out that only powerful people like the Kennedy's could unilaterally cancel 12 years of marriage. (This raises the question of whether the Church can gain entry to Heaven for powerful people who have sinned.)

6. One of the storied political couplings of the twentieth century was between Andrew Cuomo, son of former New York Governor Mario Cuomo, and Kerry Kennedy, daughter of Robert Kennedy. The younger Cuomo was forced to withdraw his own bid for the governorship (although he is now New York's Attorney General) in 2002 when it was revealed that his wife, to whom he had been married 13 years and with whom he had three daughters, had been having a long-term affair with a married man. Kerry Kenedy's philandering shows that Kennedy disregard for marital niceties extends to the distaff side of the family as well.

5. A more unappetizing Kennedy scandal involved Joe's brother and campaign manager, Michael. Like his brother and sister, Michael was stably married with children when it was revealed he had been having an affair with a family babysitter, beginning when the girl was 14! This, of course, is a crime that would get a non-Kennedy registered as a sexual predator. For some reason, the girl refused to press charges, and Kennedy entered treatment for sexual and alcohol addiction. Michael Kennedy had been keeping an extremely low profile when he died in an accident on a family skiing trip.

4. All of these scandals concerned third-generation Kennedy's. But the stories of sexual assaults, infidelity, and religious hypocrisy began with the family's patriarch, Joe Kennedy. In Swanson on Swanson, silent screen star Gloria Swanson revealed having an affair with Kennedy when, she claimed, he forced himself on her during his business trips to Hollywood, and when he left his saintly wife, Rose, at home in Massachusetts. Other Kennedy family historians report that the elder Kennedy made advances on his sons' girlfriends! (Swanson was most pissed off that, despite his legendary financial acumen, Joe lost a ton of her dough.)

3. Back to the younger Kennedy's, in 1991 Kennedy nephew William Smith was charged with rape while staying with uncle Teddy in the family's seaside estate in Palm Beach, FL. The woman claimed she met Smith at a night club at which he was accompanied by Ted Kennedy and his son, Patrick. Later, while ostensibly showing her around the estate, Smith began pursuing and pawing her as she tried to escape. Other women were found who described having similar experiences with the Kennedy nephew, but Smith was acquitted.

2. Both President Jack Kennedy - whose sexual escapades were legendary - and younger brother Bobby had closely contiguous sexual liaisons with Marilyn Monroe. Numerous conspiracy theories have been developed around the Kennedys' involvement in Monroe's death, which occurred in the aftermath of these affairs. At a minimum, the relationships were extremely damaging to Monroe's fragile mental health.

1. What could most interfere with Ted Kennedy's passage to Heaven (as it frustrated his aspirations to be president) was his involvement in the death of Mary Jo Kopechne. Following a party with six young female campaign workers on the island of Chappaquiddick, Kennedy was giving Kopechne a ride back to her hotel when he drove off a bridge. Kopechne drowned in the car, and Kennedy left the scene to consult with Kennedy family advisers. In fact, he never reported the incident, which was discovered independently the next morning! Kennedy was charged only with leaving the scene of an accident.

Of course, you and I can wonder how our lives would have been derailed if we were involved in a situation like this (Kennedy was married). But the Kennedy's are not deterred by such experiences, as the subsequent actions of his nephews and niece indicate. Are there separate rules - both legal and psychological - for people like the Kennedy's?

http://www.peele.net/blog/080521.html

[valvano]

Valvano represents most of the ring wing on the internets today. A liberal icon died, and it they think they have a reason to celebrate.

Not to mention the irony of a guy named valvano gloating over someone killed off by cancer.....

care to go back to the archives of the posts around here when Reagan passed away? :rolleyes:

[RobMoney$]

I wonder how Mary Jo Kopechne's family is feeling this morning?

[Burnout18]

care to go back to the archives of the posts around here when Reagan passed away? :rolleyes:

YES, please do, and quote me from that thread.... please find it. please please please.

[Echewta]

Oh dear, I bet I didn't take my own advise when Reagan passed away. Crap.

[Burnout18]

Oh dear, I bet I didn't take my own advise when Reagan passed away. Crap.

it doesn't matter, i just looked for the thread and couldn't find it.

[RobMoney$]

You gotta love how quickily they managed to politicize their "Icon's" death...


http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2009/08/rush-was-right-dems-call-for-kennedy.html


" it’s time to come back after Labor Day with a single coherent Senator Edward M. Kennedy Health Care Reform Bill, and to twist whatever arms, ears, or other parts are necessary to get a good strong comprehensive bill passed and signed, NOW. We owe the memory of a great man no less."This theme of naming a bill after Kennedy is sure to pick up steam, as Democrats are desperate to do anything to overcome public opposition on the merits. Witness this San Francisco Chronicle column (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/lieberman/detail?entry_id=46240) today:

There would be no more fitting tribute to the passing of Ted Kennedy, than to pass a health-care reform bill by early fall.



http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.042f28c9079866457d38460339a34a8 b.61&show_article=1
US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (http://topics.breitbart.com/Nancy+Pelosi/) vowed Wednesday to push through embattled health reform legislation this year following the death of Senator Ted Kennedy, (http://topics.breitbart.com/Ted+Kennedy/) who called the effort "the cause of my life".

"Ted Kennedy' (http://topics.breitbart.com/Kennedy/)s dream of quality health care for all Americans (http://topics.breitbart.com/Americans/) will be made real this year because of his leadership and his inspiration," Pelosi said in a statement.



http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0809/Byrd_Rename_health_care_bill_for_Kennedy.html
Ailing Senator Robert Byrd, one of only two to have served longer than Kennedy, suggests in an emotional statement renaming the pending health care legislation for the late Massachusetts Senator:


In his honor and as a tribute to his commitment to his ideals, let us stop the shouting and name calling and have a civilized debate on health care reform which I hope, when legislation has been signed into law, will bear his name for his commitment to insuring the health of every American.




Nothing like using the warm corpse of your buddy as a footstool for political gain.

[valvano]

^ I guess they didnt learn the lessons of the Wellstone political rally...I mean funeral:

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,388903,00.html

[RobMoney$]

Come to think about it,...Expensive, bloated, medicated and overrated...The "Ted Kennedy Bill" just might be more appropriate than I originally thought.

[valvano]

Valvano represents most of the ring wing on the internets today. A liberal icon died, and it they think they have a reason to celebrate.

Not to mention the irony of a guy named valvano gloating over someone killed off by cancer.....

please show me where I have celebrated his passing....I'm just pointing out that he was not the "noble statesman" many here want to think he was...

[Bob]

"hmmm, 41 posts in a recent thread and valvano's the last one to post. i wonder if he's being a dickhead?"

don't stop the streak, valvano

[saz]

^interpretation : somebody is telling the ugly truth about our liberal icon who just died....please make it stop!!!:p

yeah he screwed up royally, no one is denying that. and copying and pasting from wikipedia doesn't prove anything, nor does pointing out the kennedy scandals. they're not the first elected officials to cheat on their wives. and who really cares about a politician's sex life?

Oh, and BTW.
Dems are down to 59 seats.

THE FILIBUSTERING WILL NOW COMMENCE!!!

You gotta love how quickily they managed to politicize their "Icon's" death...

Nothing like using the warm corpse of your buddy as a footstool for political gain.

Come to think about it,...Expensive, bloated, medicated and overrated...The "Ted Kennedy Bill" just might be more appropriate than I originally thought.

wow, the "lifelong democrat" felt the need to get some gutter-level, valvano-inspired partisan swipes in.

[Randetica]

and who really cares about a politician's sex life?

*cough*

[RobMoney$]

Just pointing out the gutter-level behavior of Kennedy's fellow Dems.

[saz]

what, paying tribute to him by proposing to name the bill after him? he'd probably appreciate it.

[DroppinScience]

Just pointing out the gutter-level behavior of Kennedy's fellow Dems.

As a "lifelong Democrat," who exactly in the party did you support and admire whose name did not begin and end with "Bill Clinton"? For a so-called independent thinker, I haven't seen anything from you that strays far from the right-wing conservative Republican thinking. And the bile for Ted Kennedy is just one among many.

[YoungRemy]

selected items of his actual accomplishments vs. sex scandals and cover-ups involving the Kennedy Dynasty- you choose what works for you.
sorry in advance for using a cnn written story.

i'm an elitist liberal...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/26/obit.ted.kennedy/index.html

Kennedy, who became known as the "Lion of the Senate," played major roles in passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, the 1990 Americans with Disabilities Act and the 1993 Family and Medical Leave Act, and was an outspoken liberal standard-bearer during a conservative-dominated era from the 1980s to the early 2000s.

"He was probably best known for the ability to work with Republicans," said Adam Clymer, Kennedy's biographer. "The Republican Party raised hundreds of millions of dollars with direct appeal to protect the country from Ted Kennedy, but there was never a piece of legislation that he ever got passed without a major Republican ally."


Kennedy was one of only six senators in U.S. history to serve more than 40 years. He was elected to eight full terms to become the second-most senior senator after West Virginia Democrat Robert Byrd.

Kennedy championed social causes and was the author of "In Critical Condition: The Crisis in America's Health Care." He served as chairman of the Judiciary and Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions committees and was the ranking Democrat on the Judiciary and Armed Services committees during periods when Republicans controlled the chamber.

Like brothers John and Robert, Edward Kennedy attended Harvard. He studied in the Netherlands before earning a law degree from the University of Virginia Law School, and worked in the district attorney's office in Boston before entering politics.


and for the record, what happened in 1969 was horrible, but if the man served over 40 years in the Senate and dies, why is now the right time to bring this up? and I thought they kept it hidden for 11 years. the guy reported the incident the following morning and pleaded GUILTY...

[DroppinScience]

I agree with you, Remy. Ted Kennedy admitted he acted "reprehensibly" (his words) from the get-go and more than made up for this with 40 years of legislative accomplishments (I don't always agree with his "bipartisanship" and compromise with arch-conservatives, but I respect that he wanted to get things done), yet all these creepy weirdos can do is fixate on this one thing. Yes, it was a reprehensible thing, but you do have to move on.

[The Notorious LOL]

R.I.P.


and for the record I laughed when Reagan died.

[Echewta]

I too find it funny that people would want to name something after a person that has died and that person gave a significant amount of time to a particular cause or idea. Whats next? Dedicating building to those who passed away while working on them? A football scholarship fund in the name of someone who died playing football? Those wacky dems, dont they know what they may start?

[RobMoney$]

As a "lifelong Democrat," who exactly in the party did you support and admire whose name did not begin and end with "Bill Clinton"? For a so-called independent thinker, I haven't seen anything from you that strays far from the right-wing conservative Republican thinking. And the bile for Ted Kennedy is just one among many.

Locally, I support all Dems.

But Nationally, Ed Rendell is also a political hero of mine.
He started out as DA of Philly, and went from Mayor, to Governor, to Chair of the DNC.
I've seen and talked to him on many occasions over the years. He took over a city that was in a complete mess left by Mayor Wilson Goode, the guy who bombed the MOVE house back in the 80's. He took a city running a deficit of $250 million, balanced it, within three years, and ran the city with a surplus his remaining 5 years.
He's about as honest a politician as I've ever seen. He, and Clinton are examples of the type of Democrats I have respect for.
There was such a thing as fiscally responsible, liberal Democrats once upon a time.
Democrats weren't always the spend-happy politicians that they've become under Obama.

From his Wiki:


As mayor, Rendell inherited massive fiscal problems. The state legislature established a fiscal oversight board to monitor the City of Philadelphia's fiscal issues. During his career as mayor, Rendell cut a $250 million deficit; balanced Philadelphia's budget and oversaw five consecutive years of budget surpluses; reduced business and wage taxes for four consecutive years; implemented new revenue-generating initiatives, and dramatically improved services to Philadelphia neighborhoods. He also appointed Philadelphia's first ever Latino deputy mayors, with the naming of Benjamin Ramos and Manuel Ortiz. Rendell's cost-cutting policies brought him strong opposition from labor unions (http://www.beastieboys.com/wiki/Trade_union); however, he was re-elected in 1995, defeating Republican Joe Rocks (http://www.beastieboys.com/wiki/Joe_Rocks) with 80% of the vote. He resigned on December 21 (http://www.beastieboys.com/wiki/December_21), 1999, shortly before the end of his term, to take up the chairmanship of the Democratic National Committee (http://www.beastieboys.com/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee) (DNC).



EDIT: Oh, and believe it or not, Governor Ed didn't even recieve the backing of the DNC during his first campaign for Gov. They backed Bob Casey Jr. for the Dem. nomination. They thought Eddie was too liberal to be a viable candidate.

Where have you gone, Ed & Bill Clinton?
A Nation turns it's lonely eyes to you.
Woo woo woo
What's that you say, Mr. Obama?
The days of responsibility have left and gone away?
Hey hey hey.

[RobMoney$]

I too find it funny that people would want to name something after a person that has died and that person gave a significant amount of time to a particular cause or idea. Whats next? Dedicating building to those who passed away while working on them? A football scholarship fund in the name of someone who died playing football? Those wacky dems, dont they know what they may start?


Why didn't they name it after him before he died, if he played such an instrumental role?

[DroppinScience]

Is your opinion of an elected official based on the fact that you met them in person?

[RobMoney$]

Is your opinion of an elected official based on the fact that you met them in person?

Fine, I'll edit that out then and leave the other reasons I respect him

Locally, I support all Dems.

But Nationally, Ed Rendell is also a political hero of mine.
He started out as DA of Philly, and went from Mayor, to Governor, to Chair of the DNC.
XXXI've seen and talked to him on many occasions over the years.XXX
He took over a city that was in a complete mess left by Mayor Wilson Goode, the guy who bombed the MOVE house back in the 80's. He took a city running a deficit of $250 million, balanced it, within three years, and ran the city with a surplus his remaining 5 years.
He's about as honest a politician as I've ever seen. He, and Clinton are examples of the type of Democrats I have respect for.
There was such a thing as fiscally responsible, liberal Democrats once upon a time.
Democrats weren't always the spend-happy politicians that they've become under Obama.

From his Wiki:




EDIT: Oh, and believe it or not, Governor Ed didn't even recieve the backing of the DNC during his first campaign for Gov. They backed Bob Casey Jr. for the Dem. nomination. They thought Eddie was too liberal to be a viable candidate.

[Echewta]

Why didn't they name it after him before he died, if he played such an instrumental role?

Dont be silly Rob. Its not uncommon or unheard of to name something after someone who has passed away.

[RobMoney$]

I have a better name.
We should call it the Mary Jo Kopechne Memorial Health Care Bill.
Then, we should have a Ted Kennedy Memorial Fillibuster against it to kill it.




Renaming the bill isn't really the issue to me actually.
Going out and saying "Let's win this one for Teddy" is where it kinda crosses over into bad taste, IMO.
Personally, I think they'd be shooting themselves in the foot a bit by naming it after a controversial character such as Ted Kennedy,...but have at it.
I doubt "The Ted Kennedy Bill" would change any votes anyway.
As long as we get access to the healthcare that Ted Kennedy himself received, I have no issues with it.

[Burnout18]

please show me where I have celebrated his passing....I'm just pointing out that he was not the "noble statesman" many here want to think he was...

"they," "they" i said THEY. look around on the internet you will see it.

[Micodin]

Speaking ill of the dead is poor form.

No matter what your view is on politics you should still keep that shit to yourself.

[RobMoney$]

.

[Dorothy Wood]

I for one, have never celebrated anyone's death.

some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. :(

[RobMoney$]

On Easter weekend (http://www.beastieboys.com/wiki/Easter_weekend) 1991, Kennedy was at a get-together at the family's Palm Beach, Florida (http://www.beastieboys.com/wiki/Palm_Beach,_Florida) estate when, restless and maudlin after reminiscing about his brother-in-law, he left for a late-night visit to a local bar, getting his son Patrick (http://www.beastieboys.com/wiki/Patrick_J._Kennedy) and nephew William Kennedy Smith (http://www.beastieboys.com/wiki/William_Kennedy_Smith) to accompany him.[101] (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/#cite_note-bg-series-5-100)[120] (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/#cite_note-hersh-94-119) Patrick Kennedy and Smith returned with women they met there, Michelle Cassone and Patricia Bowman. Cassone said that Ted Kennedy subsequently walked in on her and Patrick, dressed only in a nightshirt and with a weird look on his face.[101] (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/#cite_note-bg-series-5-100)[120] (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/#cite_note-hersh-94-119) Smith and Bowman went out on the beach, where they had sex that he said was consensual and she said was rape.[101] (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/#cite_note-bg-series-5-100) The local police made a delayed investigation; soon Kennedy sources were feeding the press with negative information about Bowman's background and several mainstream newspapers broke a taboo by publishing her name.[120] (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/#cite_note-hersh-94-119) The case quickly became a media frenzy (http://www.beastieboys.com/wiki/Media_frenzy).[101] (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/#cite_note-bg-series-5-100)[120] (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/#cite_note-hersh-94-119) While not directly implicated in the case, Kennedy became the frequent butt of jokes on The Tonight Show (http://www.beastieboys.com/wiki/The_Tonight_Show) and other late-night television programs.[101] (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/#cite_note-bg-series-5-100)[121] (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/#cite_note-120) Time (http://www.beastieboys.com/wiki/Time_(magazine)) magazine said Kennedy was being perceived as a "Palm Beach boozer, lout and tabloid grotesque" while Newsweek (http://www.beastieboys.com/wiki/Newsweek) said Kennedy was "the living symbol of the family flaws."[122] (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/#cite_note-121)

[YoungRemy]

thanks for that info Rob (y)

[yeahwho]

The flags are flying at half mast, John McCain will speak at his service and millions of Americans are in mourning. Yet for some reason we're being bombarded over and over as if Ted Kennedy doesn't deserve this sort of recognition for his service to America.

Amazingly poor form, just off the charts with hate.

[Micodin]

Ed Rendell is also a political hero of mine.

He's about as honest a politician as I've ever seen.


Governor Edward G. Rendell today issued the following statement on the passing of Senator Kennedy of Massachusetts:

"I was saddened this morning to learn of the passing of Senator Ted Kennedy, one of the true giants of American public life. It marks the end of an era in our nation's politics, and indeed in our nation's history.

"During almost five decades in the United States Senate, Ted Kennedy led the fight for the most vulnerable and least fortunate among us. He valued every person, no matter their station in life, and he worked tirelessly until the very end to make sure that all Americans could live in dignity and peace.

"He knew that the strength of a nation lies in the strength of its people, so he dedicated himself to fighting for all children to receive a good education, for everyone to have access to high-quality health care, and for everyone to have the opportunity for economic progress - in short, that everyone had the chance to share in the American dream.

"The United States has lost one of its greatest statesmen of all time. I will miss him as a friend, and the nation will miss him for the leadership, the guidance and the love that he gave to all of us."

[RobMoney$]

Amazingly poor form, just off the charts with hate.


I'm soo sorry.
But I have no respect for people who use their influence to cover up homocides and rapes.

[RobMoney$]

Governor Edward G. Rendell today issued the following statement on the passing of Senator Kennedy of Massachusetts:

"I was saddened this morning to learn of the passing of Senator Ted Kennedy, one of the true giants of American public life. It marks the end of an era in our nation's politics, and indeed in our nation's history.

"During almost five decades in the United States Senate, Ted Kennedy led the fight for the most vulnerable and least fortunate among us. He valued every person, no matter their station in life, and he worked tirelessly until the very end to make sure that all Americans could live in dignity and peace.

"He knew that the strength of a nation lies in the strength of its people, so he dedicated himself to fighting for all children to receive a good education, for everyone to have access to high-quality health care, and for everyone to have the opportunity for economic progress - in short, that everyone had the chance to share in the American dream.

"The United States has lost one of its greatest statesmen of all time. I will miss him as a friend, and the nation will miss him for the leadership, the guidance and the love that he gave to all of us."


Thanks for that.
I wonder if Mary Jo Kopechne's family issued a statement, if it would be as eloquent?
You don't happen to have a link to that, do you?
Now that's a statement on Teddy I'm interested in.

[Micodin]

If they do release a statement. I'm sure it will be a lot more classy than any you have statements you have shared on this thread.

The fact you go back and edit almost every post a minimum of 3 times is outstanding. It's entertaining to watch you go back and fix your posts or totally erase them after the fact.

It's a good thing you're not a public speaker. ;)

[yeahwho]

The flags are flying at half mast, John McCain will speak at his service and millions of Americans are in mourning. Yet for some reason we're being bombarded over and over as if Ted Kennedy doesn't deserve this sort of recognition for his service to America.

Amazingly poor form, just off the charts with hate.

I'm soo sorry.
But I have no respect for people who use their influence to cover up homocides and rapes.

Hey thanks for being soo sorry.

[Knuckles]

I have a better name.
We should call it the Mary Jo Kopechne Memorial Health Care Bill.
Then, we should have a Ted Kennedy Memorial Fillibuster against it to kill it.





Wow.

That's a really terrible joke.

What the hell is wrong with you, Rob?

[saz]

I'm soo sorry.
But I have no respect for people who use their influence to cover up homocides and rapes.


he tried to save her but he couldn't, as he sustained a cerebral concussion and shock, and obviously was panicking. mary jo kopechne's family didn't take any legal action against kennedy, and the dukes county district attorney informed the grand jury that there wasn't any evidence to charge kennedy with manslaughter.


william kennedy smith was also acquitted. but of course this is what we've come to expect from you, just like obama = hitler, that the white house was asking for names of dissenters, the death panels, torture is a good policy, and that sarah palin is a great leader.

with the exception of the hard, far right-wing, the kennedys were almost universally admired. despite their affairs and scandals (even martin luther king fooled around, are you going to attack him too?) they committed themselves to public service, equality, and social justice. and despite his poor character flaws and taking a lifetime, well into his senior years to finally get himself together and be clean and sober, ted kennedy devoted so much of his energy and efforts for those most in need, and millions of americans have since benefitted. so again, despite the aforementioned personal flaws, it's very difficult to imagine a "lifelong democrat" having so much hatred and vitriol for him, unless of course you really despise what he stood and fought for.

[Micodin]

and that sarah palin is a great leader.

Zing!

[DroppinScience]

Nothing like using the warm corpse of your buddy as a footstool for political gain.


Conservatives Warning Against Politicizing Kennedy's Death, Did Just That For Reagan

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/28/conservatives-warning-aga_n_271332.html

[RobMoney$]

william kennedy smith was also acquitted. but of course this is what we've come to expect from you, just like obama = hitler, that the white house was asking for names of dissenters, the death panels, torture is a good policy, and that sarah palin is a great leader.

Let's review what I posted from Teddy's wiki:

On Easter weekend (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_weekend) 1991, Kennedy was at a get-together at the family's Palm Beach, Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Beach,_Florida) estate when, restless and maudlin after reminiscing about his brother-in-law, he left for a late-night visit to a local bar, getting his son Patrick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_J._Kennedy) and nephew William Kennedy Smith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Kennedy_Smith) to accompany him.[106] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy#cite_note-bg-series-5-105)[125] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy#cite_note-hersh-94-124) Patrick Kennedy and Smith returned with women they met there, Michelle Cassone and Patricia Bowman. Cassone said that Ted Kennedy subsequently walked in on her and Patrick, dressed only in a nightshirt and with a weird look on his face.[106] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy#cite_note-bg-series-5-105)[125] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy#cite_note-hersh-94-124) Smith and Bowman went out on the beach, where they had sex that he said was consensual and she said was rape.[106] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy#cite_note-bg-series-5-105) The local police made a delayed investigation; soon Kennedy sources were feeding the press with negative information about Bowman's background and several mainstream newspapers broke a taboo by publishing her name.[125] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy#cite_note-hersh-94-124) The case quickly became a media frenzy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_frenzy).[106] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy#cite_note-bg-series-5-105)[125] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy#cite_note-hersh-94-124) While not directly implicated in the case, Kennedy became the frequent butt of jokes on The Tonight Show (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tonight_Show) and other late-night television programs.[106] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy#cite_note-bg-series-5-105)[126] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy#cite_note-125) Time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_(magazine)) magazine said Kennedy was being perceived as a "Palm Beach boozer, lout and tabloid grotesque" while Newsweek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsweek) said Kennedy was "the living symbol of the family flaws."[127] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy#cite_note-126)


Yeah, I know William Kennedy Smith was acquitted of rape, but it was because of Teddy's influence. Congradulations to them both.



with the exception of the hard, far right-wing, the kennedys were almost universally admired. despite their affairs and scandals (even martin luther king fooled around, are you going to attack him too?) they committed themselves to public service, equality, and social justice. and despite his poor character flaws and taking a lifetime, well into his senior years to finally get himself together and be clean and sober, ted kennedy devoted so much of his energy and efforts for those most in need, and millions of americans have since benefitted. so again, despite the aforementioned personal flaws, it's very difficult to imagine a "lifelong democrat" having so much hatred and vitriol for him, unless of course you really despise what he stood and fought for.


LOL @ comparing Teddy with MLK.
Maritial infidelities are not illegal. Murder & Rape are.
Sorry, but I'm not willing to "look the other way", like some of you suggest.
In fact, I find the suggestion laughable.

[saz]

first, it's from wikipedia, which is the equivalent of the writing on the washroom wall. second, "teddy's influence"? are you serious? that is preposterous. william kennedy smith was acquitted in a court of law, it wasn't because of ted kennedy's influence. that is so ludicrious (just like your death panel claims, obama = hitler, the white house asking for names of dissenters etc). this has nothing to do with "looking the other way". the fact that you would suggest that is insulting and patronizing as hell. you just have a problem with reality.

[RobMoney$]

The local police made a delayed investigation; soon Kennedy sources were feeding the press with negative information about Bowman's background and several mainstream newspapers broke a taboo by publishing her name.[125] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy#cite_note-hersh-94-124) The case quickly became a media frenzy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_frenzy)


Why was there a delayed investigation?
Who was feeding the press info to smear the victim?


And wiki is as reputable a source as anything else on the internet.

[RobMoney$]

Conservatives Warning Against Politicizing Kennedy's Death, Did Just That For Reagan

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/28/conservatives-warning-aga_n_271332.html


Ahh yes, the old "they did it too" retort. How utterly predictable.
Too bad I'm not a Republican and therefore have no reason to defend them on your/HuffPo's accusation.

BTW. If I want to read the liberally slanted HuffPo, I'll just go to their website.
No need to link.

[yeahwho]

Stupid wiki and Huff post. What is wrong with the mainstream media and their constant eulogizing of Ted Kennedy?

It's EVERYTHING that is wrong with America!!!!!

How dare they! How dare all these millions of people disregard the reality of Ted Kennedy and line up to pay respect!

Rob you are one of the most disgruntled humans I've ever read anywhere on this planet. I am no huge fan of Ted Kennedy but I do like to consider myself aware of the history of the United States and Ted Kennedy's passing this week is something worthy of a just a bit of a pause.

Even if you (and I know you do) despise the man you can never change history, the good, the bad or the ugly. Ted along with the whole Kennedy family are an indelible part of the History of the United States.

Most people get that. It's not always about a personal agenda to disagree.

[YoungRemy]

how predictable, rob$ saying something was predictable...

What will happen when Bill Clinton passes and he gets an airport or a legislative bill named after him?

What will happen when Nancy Reagan passes and the board is civil and respectful ? :eek:

[yeahwho]

how predictable, rob$ saying something was predictable...

What will happen when Bill Clinton passes and he gets an airport or a legislative bill named after him?

What will happen when Nancy Reagan passes and the board is civil and respectful ? :eek:

Elitists and campus fuckface's are two faced asses that possess backbones made of jelly, of course they'll be courteous.

They may even write a complete sentence with a subject and a predicate.

[RobMoney$]

Rob you are one of the most disgruntled humans I've ever read anywhere on this planet.


It's my steez.
Don't hate it, celebrate it.

[yeahwho]

It's my steez.
Don't hate it, celebrate it.

I am, but I also am aware that Ted kennedy could of done anything, he could of completely bailed on public service taken his huge stash of cash, gone to Paris banged 10 women a day, eat the finest meals, drink the finest wines and thrown the most extravagant Parties ever. Without once having to show up in front of constituents and gnarly piss ant congressmen.

Instead after a tragic night of drinking that resulted in a death that he full well knew would always shadow his life, he continued on as a mentor for his be grieved family and stayed active as a representative for those much less fortunate than him.

He devoted his life to helping others. This is why both sides of the aisle are paying respects, they realize his life and they realize his choices, just as Ted himself did.

All your doing is bringing up one aspect of his life, his darkest hour. And with it you belittle his politics. It's hate. It comes across as hate.

[RobMoney$]

Elitists and campus fuckface's are two faced asses that possess backbones made of jelly, of course they'll be courteous.

Why are you guys surmizing that criticizing republicans would offend me in some way? Most of them are lying pieces of horse shit too.



Quit comparing Teddy to other influential politicians.
I don't even think it's fair to compare him to his brothers.
He was clearly the fuck-up of the family. Joe, John & Bobby were too good to be true in their ways, Lace Curtain Irish if Celtic at all.
Every family in Jamaica Plain had a worthless, push-faced baby brother like Teddy. And they was only good for puttin thru the ringer at every turn, and every blasted one of em ended up to be royal fuck-ups.
He mightened not to have measured up to the Kennedy Legacy, but he done every Shanty litter runt proud, right? (y)

[RobMoney$]

how predictable, rob$ saying something was predictable...

What will happen when Bill Clinton passes and he gets an airport or a legislative bill named after him?

What will happen when Nancy Reagan passes and the board is civil and respectful ? :eek:


Bill Clinton is a former President.
Nancy is a former first lady.

Ted was just a fuck-up of a Senator.
The Kennedy's version of "Fredo".
Without politics and his family name he'd have destroyed himself years ago.

[RobMoney$]

I am, but I also am aware that Ted kennedy could of done anything, he could of completely bailed on public service taken his huge stash of cash, gone to Paris banged 10 women a day, eat the finest meals, drink the finest wines and thrown the most extravagant Parties ever. Without once having to show up in front of constituents and gnarly piss ant congressmen.

Instead after a tragic night of drinking that resulted in a death that he full well knew would always shadow his life, he continued on as a mentor for his be grieved family and stayed active as a representative for those much less fortunate than him.

He devoted his life to helping others. This is why both sides of the aisle are paying respects, they realize his life and they realize his choices, just as Ted himself did.

All your doing is bringing up one aspect of his life, his darkest hour. And with it you belittle his politics. It's hate. It comes across as hate.


Christ, this almost brought a tear to my eye.

And LOL @ you being swayed by Republican politicians paying respect to Teddy. This is a man they worked with for however many years. Also they're public figures. They'll do whatever is politically expedient.

[yeahwho]

Why are you guys surmizing that criticizing republicans would offend me in some way? Most of them are lying pieces of horse shit too.



Quit comparing Teddy to other influential politicians.
I don't even think it's fair to compare him to his brothers.
He was clearly the fuck-up of the family. Joe, John & Bobby were too good to be true in their ways, Lace Curtain Irish if Celtic at all.
Every family in Jamaica Plain had a worthless, push-faced baby brother like Teddy. And they was only good for puttin thru the ringer at every turn, and every blasted one of em ended up to be royal fuck-ups.
He mightened not to have measured up to the Kennedy Legacy, but he done every Shanty litter runt proud, right? (y)

Sure, but isn't that just the sort of person a elitist hater such as yourself would want to celebrate?

[yeahwho]

Christ, this almost brought a tear to my eye.

Can you still keep your hard on for Ted Kennedy while you almost have a tear in your eye?

[RobMoney$]

Sure, but isn't that just the sort of person a elitist hater such as yourself would want to celebrate?


You're confusing "Not Elite" with "Scumbag"
I enjoy one, put the other in the same catageory with the elitist campus fuckfaces.

[yeahwho]

And LOL @ you being swayed by Republican politicians paying respect to Teddy. This is a man they worked with for however many years. Also they're public figures. They'll do whatever is politically expedient.

Hey, I never thought of it that way. So do you really believe that everyone who is elected to public office is a complete joke? Is that the crux of your argument, the republicans are only paying respect because they know that the Real America would find it reprehensible if they didn't pay respect to this man? Like the 30,000 normal folks who lined up in Boston today? Like the millions of other Americans in their respective towns across this Nation?

Doesn't that very thinking destroy your stance on Ted Kennedy? He actually is admired by regular people all across this Country? Millions upon millions of people.

[RobMoney$]

90% of politicians are as fake as a $3 bill.
There are some that are honest men and women, but sadly not enough.


And Teddy may have had many supporters, but I think it would be naive to not admit that he had just as many detractors.

[yeahwho]

Plus his death this month has truly saddened Canadians much more than those of us here in the USA, Ted Kennedy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy_(ice_hockey)) ruled Toronto in his heyday.

[travesty]

He actually is admired by regular people all across this Country? Millions upon millions of people.

So are Britney Spears, George W. Bush, Spencer Pratt, Rush Limbaugh. Keith Olberman and far too many other worthless fucking douchebags. What does being well liked prove?

[RobMoney$]

I saw Brittney Spears last weekend in NYC while seeing "Wicked" and I screamed like a teenaged girl.

[yeahwho]

So are Britney Spears, George W. Bush, Spencer Pratt, Rush Limbaugh. Keith Olberman and far too many other worthless fucking douchebags. What does being well liked prove?

I saw Brittney Spears last weekend in NYC while seeing "Wicked" and I screamed like a teenaged girl.

I am no big fan of the celebrity death watch that the new millennium has ushered in with it. A society that worships talk shows, gossip magazines, movies, music and the almighty television with it's "dancing with the stars" style of shows to me is grotesque. A massive swelling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Massive_Swelling) of celebrity.

The branding and constant media attention makes me want to just call my mom and say hello.

That said Ted Kennedy was a fascinating person from an amazing family, that actually contributed to society. He did deserve the attention he received. The vitriol being displayed by you guys is not humorous or witty, it's sad and pathetic.

[Whatitis]

Speaking of celebrities (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Akz.SKkgUfM1AQSMr_ekptc5nYcB?slug=ap-kennedy-successor-schilling&prov=ap&type=lgns).