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RobMoney$
08-29-2009, 12:21 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/27/abc-nbc-refuse-air-advertisement-critical-obamas-health-care-plan/


The refusal by ABC and NBC to run a national ad critical of President Obama's health care reform plan is raising questions from the group behind the spot -- particularly in light of ABC's health care special aired in prime time last June and hosted at the White House.

The 33-second ad by the League of American Voters, which features a neurosurgeon who warns that a government-run health care system will lead to the rationing of procedures and medicine, began airing two weeks ago on local affiliates of ABC, NBC, FOX and CBS. On a national level, however, ABC and NBC have refused to run the spot in its present form.

"It's a powerful ad," said Bob Adams, executive director of the League of American Voters, a national nonprofit group with 15,000 members who advocate individual liberty and government accountability. "It tells the truth and it really highlights one of the biggest vulnerabilities and problems with this proposed legislation, which is it rations health care and disproportionately will decimate the quality of health care for seniors."

Adams said the advertisement is running on local network affiliates in states like Louisiana, Arkansas, Maine and Pennsylvania. But although CBS has approved the ad for national distribution and talks are ongoing with FOX, NBC has questioned some of the ad's facts while ABC has labeled it "partisan."

"The ABC Television Network has a long-standing policy that we do not sell time for advertising that presents a partisan position on a controversial public issue," spokeswoman Susan Sewell said in a written statement. "Just to be clear, this is a policy for the entire network, not just ABC News."

NBC, meanwhile, said it has not turned down the ad and will reconsider it with some revisions.

"We have not rejected the ad," spokeswoman Liz Fischer told FOXNews.com. "We have communicated with the media agency about some factual claims that require additional substantiation. As always, we are happy to reconsider the ad once these issues are addressed."

Adams objects to ABC's assertion that his group's position is partisan.

"It's a position that we would argue a vast majority of Americans stand behind," he said. "Obviously, it's a message that ABC and the Obama administration haven't received yet."

Dick Morris, a FOX News political analyst and the League of American Voters' chief strategist, conceptualized the advertisement and said its purpose was to "refocus" the debate on health care reform.

"I feel the whole debate on health care reform needed to be refocused on the issue of Medicare," he told FOXNews.com. "Most of the debate had been on issues of socialized medicine and cost. I felt that the impact of the legislation in cutting the Medicare program and enforcing rationing needed to be addressed."
Morris, a onetime advisor to former President Bill Clinton, said he was particularly troubled by ABC's decision not to air the spot.

"It's the ultimate act of chutzpah because ABC is the network that turned itself over completely to Obama for a daylong propaganda fest about health care reform," he said. "For them to be pious and say they will not accept advertising on health care shuts their viewers out from any possible understanding of both sides of this issue."


Here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Kr3zBcNIxU

I don't know. Seems pretty innocous to me.
Just like any other political add I would tune out after 2 seconds.
Refusing to show it is only going to get it more pub than if they just aired it.

Kind of pisses me off that everyone has a fucking spin nowadays tho.

yeahwho
08-29-2009, 12:30 AM
They aired that commercial last night on CBS during a Ted Kennedy tribute.

CBS will take their cash, no problemo.

Dorothy Wood
08-29-2009, 10:26 AM
that doctor is wearing too much chapstick.

also, networks can choose to show whatever the fuck they want. I think it's a stupid commercial meant solely to scare old people.

and what the fuck? the premise at the beginning is that there aren't enough doctors to care for everyone in the U.S.? what is that about? like...oh, okay, so we should just forget those 50 million because there aren't enough doctors anyway. stupid and weird.

I know this is just a blog, but the person researched the people behind the commercial a bit and found it's tied to swiftboaters: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8/26/772871/-Who-are-the-League-of-American-Voters-and-

Schmeltz
08-29-2009, 11:37 AM
Ha ha, Fox News is bitching and moaning because it no longer enjoys a monopoly on soapboxing the White House line? Boo fucking hoo, Rupert. You made your bed, now lie in it.

RobMoney$
08-29-2009, 12:15 PM
Ha ha, funny all the bitching the liberals did when Bush had Fox News in his back pocket who now have "no problemo" with this type of shenanigans when it benefits them.

Again with the "they did it too" excuse.
Too funny.


Hypocrites much?


And you know, I don't really have a problem with someone showing obvious bias, it's when they try to act as if they're a legitimate news source that actually annoys me.
At least FixNews was obvious about their bias.

Bob
08-29-2009, 01:47 PM
At least FixNews was obvious about their bias.

are you fucking joking

i mean, it's obvious to anyone with half a brain, but "people with half a brain" is not fox's target audience. foxnews most definitely was (and is) trying to pass itself off as a legitimate news source with crap like "fair and balanced" and "we report, you decide" and people like colmes (where did he go, anyway?), and idiots (who vote) actually do believe that

RobMoney$
08-29-2009, 09:19 PM
Well, I guess there's always going to be that portion of the population that believe anything.
There's still people hunting for Sasquatch years after the guy came out and admitted it was him in a monkey suit in that famous video.

Michelle*s_Farm
08-30-2009, 06:31 AM
Well, I guess there's always going to be that portion of the population that believe anything.
There's still people hunting for Sasquatch years after the guy came out and admitted it was him in a monkey suit in that famous video.

Damn Rob that sucks it was a monkey suit. Now you are going to tell me that Santa does not have a workshop at the North Pole or Aliens did not build the Egyptian pyramids. It is a sad day to have all of our cherished myths broken ;)

Next myths to be broken:

1) False: Universal health care is too costly and not necessary. Truth: Haters of universal health care are worried about profit loss for big companies not individual citizens.

2) False: War on terror is good for America. Truth: The partriot act and control of movement of people allows the government to exert more control and restrict freedom.

3) False: Autotune software gives the singer perfect pitch. Truth: It sounds artifical.

4) False: It is cool that the latest cohort of young adults are called the Ipod generation. Truth: Naming a generation after a commerical product is wrong. It takes away individual identity and freedom.

5) False: The interent and other forms of electronic entertainment gives people freedom never previously enjoyed by all previous generations. Truth: The internet and entertainment technologies keep us domesticated (on the couch) and harmless so that the current capitalist industrial complex can sell us stuff and our protests are virtual rather than real.

6) False: The world is enjoying the most wealthy and productive time in human history. Truth: Only a few people on this planet are rich and they are not even that happy with that wealth driven by their greedy impulses. Their happiness is a delusion on a grand scale.

It is fun to rant but what are the possible solutions to these and other current predictiments facing the planet? :o

D_Raay
08-30-2009, 02:54 PM
Very simple, they didn't run it because it isn't true. Plain and fucking simple. This is too important to be swift-boated.

kaiser soze
08-30-2009, 10:50 PM
wait for it.............



















































































So?

Fern
08-31-2009, 08:47 AM
also, networks can choose to show whatever the fuck they want.]

i'm no lawyer, but this is not true. they are legally mandated to run equal time to paying customers regardless of view unless it is obscene. this is a violation of the law. Bob, what legal precident was this again?

kaiser soze
08-31-2009, 09:07 AM
untrue

FOX didn't air Obama's Town Hall meetings.

Also as a Veteran I am disgusted by FOX and the GOP spreading lies that the VA is suggesting suicide to Veterans

Absolutely disgusting, where's your outrage Robmoney? Valvano? Don't you support the troops?

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/index.php/whats-new/1165-veterans-for-common-sense

August 27, 2009 - The claim that the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) has a manual encouraging veterans to "commit suicide," made by Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele, is an asinine assertion with no basis in fact.

"If you want an example of bad public policy, let's look at this situation with our veterans where you have a manual out there, telling our veterans stuff like, ‘Are you really a value to your community?' and, you know, encouraging them to commit suicide. This is crazy coming from the government, and this is exactly what concerns people, what puts them in fear of what government controlled health care, of health care, will look like."

yeah, fuck FOX

DroppinScience
08-31-2009, 10:30 AM
i'm no lawyer, but this is not true. they are legally mandated to run equal time to paying customers regardless of view unless it is obscene. this is a violation of the law. Bob, what legal precident was this again?

If you're referring to the Fairness Doctrine, Reagan got rid of it. So no, they can run whatever ads they want.

Echewta
08-31-2009, 12:56 PM
So wait a minute, obama's health care is an option, right? Not a unversal health care system for the country that elminates private health care, correct? Why am I getting confussed?:confused:

Whatitis
08-31-2009, 01:10 PM
FOX didn't air Obama's Town Hall meetings.


Untrue

Burnout18
08-31-2009, 04:02 PM
this is indefensible unless the add is 100% Bullshit. Is it 100% bullshit?

yeahwho
08-31-2009, 04:13 PM
this is indefensible unless the add is 100% Bullshit. Is it 100% bullshit?
When you think about it in that light, they may as well ban 99.9% of all the current ads on TV.

RobMoney$
08-31-2009, 06:28 PM
untrue

FOX didn't air Obama's Town Hall meetings.

Also as a Veteran I am disgusted by FOX and the GOP spreading lies that the VA is suggesting suicide to Veterans

Absolutely disgusting, where's your outrage Robmoney? Valvano? Don't you support the troops?

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/index.php/whats-new/1165-veterans-for-common-sense





yeah, fuck FOX


First off, this is the first thing I've heard of this story. Sorry for not showing "outrage" for something I'm unaware of.

Secondly, I'd like to see a link or something to this "suicide manual", not just some slanted story about it. I have a hard time believing this manual actually exists, and the fact that this "story" provides absolutely no link to the "suicide manual" only reinforces my suspicion.
Do you believe everything the lefty media spits at you?

Show me a link to a Government pamphlet that suggests Veterans commit suicide and I'll be more than happy to show "outrage"

Bob
08-31-2009, 07:19 PM
First off, this is the first thing I've heard of this story. Sorry for not showing "outrage" for something I'm unaware of.

Secondly, I'd like to see a link or something to this "suicide manual", not just some slanted story about it. I have a hard time believing this manual actually exists, and the fact that this "story" provides absolutely no link to the "suicide manual" only reinforces my suspicion.
Do you believe everything the lefty media spits at you?

Show me a link to a Government pamphlet that suggests Veterans commit suicide and I'll be more than happy to show "outrage"

it doesn't exist, and the GOP is trying to say that it does, which is the thing that we're supposed to be outraged about

i think that's what he was trying to say anyway

kaiser soze
08-31-2009, 07:29 PM
uh the outrage should be with FOX for fueling more lies about how health care is handled in this country (including Veteran care....which is substandard in many areas, but suicide come on?!)

I myself have not seen any pamphlet, I wonder if there is one, would like to see/read it myself.

Do you believe everything the lefty media spits at you?

No, but this isn't lefty media, this is a Veteran website - I'm sure there are veteran's from both sides of the political spectrum checking the site out

now, why did you start a thread based off a story from a right-wing news outlet?

Whatitis - why didn't I see it on FOX when the first one was aired live?

anyways, no news story backing that up so I guess it's just opinion that they didn't air it

oh here's a little something about it

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/fromcomments/304519.php

RobMoney$
08-31-2009, 07:46 PM
I hate defending Fox News on anything, I'm fully aware of their bias.
But you can't really blame them too much for this one.
It's not like they reported this "suicide pamphlet" story themselves.
Michael Steele stated it while appearing as a guest speaker on their air.

That's kind of like blaming ABC for the Super Bowl halftime "wardrobe malfunction" with Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake.

kaiser soze
08-31-2009, 07:49 PM
And I do believe I said FOX and the GOP

making the comparison to the wardrobe malfunction is quite silly - you know FOX would gladly eat this story up and spit it out any which way they can - it is health care related and they have been storming about that for quite some time.

yeahwho
09-05-2009, 11:41 PM
Fox Unlikely to Air Obama's Health Care Speech (http://www.seattlepi.com/tvguide/409868_tvgif4.html), boo hoo.

kaiser soze
09-06-2009, 06:00 PM
that's ok

They'll be bitching about it for a month after (y)