George W Bush's Delusions

[Michelle*s_Farm]

I find this so shockingly unbelievable that if I was American I would seriously consider finding a new country to live. Perhaps other countries will someday need to set up a policy to accept American citizens fleeing the US who fear their safety and/or the safety of the world ;)

According to recent news reports...

"...President George W. Bush told French President Jacques Chirac in early 2003 that Iraq must be invaded to thwart Gog and Magog, the Bible’s satanic agents of the Apocalypse."

Source:

Council for Secular Humanism (http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=library&page=haught_29_5)

[valvano]

don't let the door hit you on the way out :rolleyes:

[Michelle*s_Farm]

don't let the door hit you on the way out :rolleyes:
Well aren't you being a little flag waving red neck today. No big deal I can understand your embarassment but seriously though can you believe your last president actually believed that Gog and Magog were in the driver's seat in Iraq and it was his religious duty to invade to fulfill religious prophecies of some sort? It sounds like a crazed fantasy / sci fi flick rather than the truth. I think America needs to grow up fast my man or other countries will have to force your sorry asses to get in line. P.S. Just so everyone knows I do not have problems with Americans (they make wonderful house pets and when sedated or caged can be non-violent) ;) Seriously though these news stories raise some important questions. Bush has yet to respond despite the claims emerging earlier this Summer and covered by the Toronto Star, The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/aug/10/religion-george-bush) (UK), Mother Jones (and others). The claims are serious and I think if a President allowed radical religious ideology to drive foreign policy Americans need to know and American citizens owe it to the world to prevent this from ever happening again. I do not think I am exaggerating this issue as the Costs of the Iraq War (http://costofwar.com/)have been way too high.

[valvano]

Well aren't you being a little flag waving red neck today. No big deal I can understand your embarassment but seriously though can you believe your last president actually believed that Gog and Magog were in the driver's seat in Iraq and it was his religious duty to invade to fulfill religious prophecies of some sort? It sounds like a crazed fantasy / sci fi flick rather than the truth. I think America needs to grow up fast my man or other countries will have to force your sorry asses to get in line. P.S. Just so everyone knows I do not have problems with Americans (they make wonderful house pets and when sedated or caged can be non-violent) ;) Seriously though these news stories raise some important questions. Bush has yet to respond despite the claims emerging earlier this Summer and covered by the Toronto Star, The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/aug/10/religion-george-bush) (UK), Mother Jones (and others). The claims are serious and I think if a President allowed radical religious ideology to drive foreign policy Americans need to know and American citizens owe it to the world to prevent this from ever happening again. I do not think I am exaggerating this issue as the Costs of the Iraq War (http://costofwar.com/)have been way too high.


nice resort to stereotypical name calling..........ignorant yankee

[Michelle*s_Farm]

nice resort to stereotypical name calling..........ignorant yankee

I am just joking and I hope you are. Friendly jabs aside, the serious issue is that an American President was driven by such radical religious delusions and allowed these delusions to guide his foreign policy decisions. This is clearly not American (or at least what I thought America was supposed to be about).
What is America about these days and can it change. Is America some twisted descendent of ancient England like the film Gangs of New York combined with a bit of von Trier's Dogville? Something is deeply wrong with America and the world should be concerned.

I do not think Bush is the only offender on this front. For example did Tony Blair allow his beliefs to interfere with his decisions on Iraq? What about Obama?

[kaiser soze]

More on the fucking mental state of bush's war

Wackenhut security at Kabul Embassy are fucking blitzed!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/01/world/main5279801.shtml?tag=cbsnewsSectionContent.3

(CBS/AP) A private security company hired by the U.S. State Department to protect diplomats and staff at the U.S. Embassy in Afghanistan provides shoddy security and fosters a "Lord of the Flies environment" in which subordinates are subjected to hazing and inappropriate behavior by supervisors, a government oversight group alleged Tuesday.

In a 10-page letter to Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, the Project on Government Oversight contended the situation has led to a breakdown in morale and leadership, compromising security at the embassy in Kabul where nearly 1,000 U.S. diplomats, staff and Afghan nationals work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHuG0P3nWes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCg3YUCK8o

This, plus the sadomasochism of torture, and the murdering of thousands of innocent people (as collateral damage) have much stronger tones of Nazism than a healthcare bill will ever have

All private security firms providing "security" and killing civilians in other countries should be disbanded and tried for the crimes they have committed ( why the fuck is Xe getting extensions!?! )

keep defending the war - I'm sure you'll win one day

[Michelle*s_Farm]

The Wackenhut Corporation scares me on a variety of levels and I have not even been a victim of their hazing tactics described by the CBS news story you cite. Additionally the Wackenhut Corporation's 'policy' or approach (e.g., regarding Military Personnel) is troubling or at least raises some questions:

The Wackenhut Corporation has a long and valued history with the U.S. Armed Forces.

In fact, our elite Custom Protection Officer® Division was created with the U.S. Armed Forces in mind. This program mandates prior military service as a qualifier for employment, with Military Occupational Specialties (MOS) such as M.P., Combat Arms, Security Forces, Special Operations, or career military.

The unfortunate and cowardly acts of terrorism on September 11, 2001 have likely changed the domestic security industry forever. The Wackenhut Corporation is uniquely qualified and prepared to meet these new challenges through our Custom Protection Division and YOU!!

Wackenhut offers the perfect “fit” for those transitioning out of the military.

SOURCE:

http://www.g4s.com/usw/usw-careers/usw-careers-military.htm

[kaiser soze]

How convenient that a terrorist attack would embolden private security firms. Regardless of how they get their talons sunk into a society they have no place in defending U.S. autonomous zones, especially embassies in foreign countries.

Imagine a bunch of fucking freaks with guns providing security for a foreign embassy in the U.S, you know we wouldn't tolerate that shit.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

the sadomasochism of torture, and the murdering of thousands of innocent people (as collateral damage) have much stronger tones of Nazism than a healthcare bill will ever have


I agree. Reluctantly (and cautiously) we need to acknowledge the tones are there. Unfortunately some of these people, laws and norms may still be in operation in the US Government and policy. It is not like bringing in a new President automatically removes the people in power, laws and norms responsible for creating such tones in the first place.

[valvano]

^ why don't you go ahead and bash Lincoln over the Civil War while you are at it :rolleyes:....

newsflash...W isnt President anymore....

[Michelle*s_Farm]

^ why don't you go ahead and bash Lincoln over the Civil War while you are at it :rolleyes:....


Are you suggesting that these tones of 'Nazism' can be traced back well before George W. Bush? That seems reasonable. However I think during Geroge W. Bush's tenure things changed at a remarkably fast rate and that these changes have had a major impact on how America is viewed by the world. Also I fear that America's more nutty laws, customs and norms have been exaggerated to such a degree that Obama and future Presidents will have a difficult task reversing the damage done. For example can a President revoke the Partriot Act? I really do not know.