Protest Pics

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Up to two million people marched to the U.S. Capitol today, carrying signs with slogans such as "Obamacare makes me sick" as they protested the president's health care plan and what they say is out-of-control spending.
The line of protesters spread across Pennsylvania Avenue for blocks, all the way to the capitol, according to the Washington Homeland Security and Emergency Management Agency.

People were chanting "enough, enough" and "We the People." Others yelled "You lie, you lie!" and "Pelosi has to go," referring to California congresswoman Nancy Pelosi.
Demonstrators waved U.S. flags and held signs reading "Go Green Recycle Congress" and "I'm Not Your ATM." Men wore colonial costumes as they listened to speakers who warned of "judgment day" - Election Day 2010.


Richard Brigle, 57, a Vietnam War veteran and former Teamster, came from Michigan. He said health care needs to be reformed - but not according to President Barack Obama's plan.
"My grandkids are going to be paying for this. It's going to cost too much money that we don't have," he said while marching, bracing himself with a wooden cane as he walked.

FreedomWorks Foundation, a conservative organization led by former House of Representatives Majority Leader Dick Armey, organized several groups from across the country for what they billed as a "March on Washington."

Organizers say they built on momentum from the April "tea party" demonstrations held nationwide to protest tax policies, along with growing resentment over the economic stimulus packages and bank bailouts.

Many protesters said they paid their own way to the event - an ethic they believe should be applied to the government.

They say unchecked spending on things like a government-run health insurance option could increase inflation and lead to economic ruin.

Terri Hall, 45, of Florida, said she felt compelled to become political for the first time this year because she was upset by government spending.

"Our government has lost sight of the powers they were granted," she said. She added that the deficit spending was out of control, and said she thought it was putting the country at risk.
Anna Hayes, 58, a nurse from Fairfax County, stood on the Mall in 1981 for Reagan's inauguration. "The same people were celebrating freedom," she said. "The president was fighting for the people then. I remember those years very well and fondly."
Saying she was worried about "Obamacare," Hayes explained: "This is the first rally I've been to that demonstrates against something, the first in my life. I just couldn't stay home anymore."
Like countless others at the rally, Joan Wright, 78, of Ocean Pines, Md., sounded angry. "I'm not taking this crap anymore," said Wright, who came by bus to Washington with 150 like-minded residents of Maryland's Eastern Shore. "I don't like the health-care [plan]. I don't like the czars. And I don't like the elitists telling us what we should do or eat."

Republican lawmakers also supported the rally.
"Republicans, Democrats and independents are stepping up and demanding we put our fiscal house in order," Rep. Mike Pence, chairman of the House Republican Conference, said.

"I think the overriding message after years of borrowing, spending and bailouts is enough is enough."

Other sponsors of the rally include the Heartland Institute, Americans for Tax Reform and the Ayn Rand Center for Individuals Rights.
Recent polls illustrate how difficult recent weeks have been for a president who, besides tackling health care, has been battling to end a devastatingly deep recession.
Fifty percent approve and 49 percent disapprove of the overall job he is doing as president, compared to July, when those approving his performance clearly outnumbered those who were unhappy with it, 55 percent to 42 percent.
Just 42 percent approve of the president's work on the high-profile health issue.
The poll was taken over five days just before Obama's speech to Congress. That speech reflected Obama's determination to push ahead despite growing obstacles.

"I will not waste time with those who have made the calculation that it's better politics to kill this plan than to improve it," Obama said on Wednesday night. "I won't stand by while the special interests use the same old tactics to keep things exactly the way they are.

"If you misrepresent what's in the plan, we'll call you out. And I will not accept the status quo as a solution."

Prior to Obama's speech before Congress U.S. Capitol Police arrested a man they say tried to get into a secure area near the Capitol with a gun in his car as President Barack Obama was speaking.

Police spokeswoman Sgt. Kimberly Schneider said Thursday that 28-year-old Joshua Bowman of suburban Falls Church, Virginia, was arrested around 8 p.m. Wednesday when Obama was due to speak.
Bowman's intentions were unclear, police said.

Today's protests imitated the original Boston Tea Party of 1773, when colonists threw three shiploads of taxed tea into Boston Harbour in protest against the British government under the slogan 'No taxation without representation'.

The group first began rising to prominence in April, when the governor of Texas threatened to secede from the union in protest against government spending. Waves of tea party protests have crossed America since.

Today's rally, the largest grouping of fiscal conservatives to march on Washington, comes on the heels of heated town halls held during the congressional August recess when some Democratic lawmakers were confronted, disrupted and shouted down by angry protestors who oppose President Obama's plan to overhaul the health care system.


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Some very powerful images.
No matter what your political opinions are, it's good to see people get out and do something about what they believe in.

[Bob]

obama is a socialist communist nazi supervillain terminator robot pothead who wants to take away your freedom (...somehow...) and euthanize your grandma ps glenn beck for president

[rirv]

However hard I try I still can't work out the whole Obama is a fascist who wants to turn America to socialism. LOL he is Hitler.

I know Nazi stood for national socialist, but the DDR (GDR) stood for German Democratic Republic and it was certainly far from democratic.

If only people would march like this about issues that are actually THIS big.

[Bob]

Some very powerful images.
No matter what your political opinions are, it's good to see people get out and do something about what they believe in.

not when those beliefs are largely informed by guys like glenn beck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1Ntu7Aapys). hey, i thought you were against that kind of thing!

[YoungRemy]

what a bunch of dopes. I honestly didn't know who Glenn Beck was 365 days ago, but he has injected himself into the political scene whether we like it or not and he gives his own party the absolute worst reputation.

THIS WAS ORGANIZED BY GLENN BECK and his 9-12 project, tea party supporting, Freedom Works sponsored cohorts that feed these people a pack of lies based on fear (sound familiar?)

perhaps this picture is indicative of the types who show up at these rallies.

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these people are ignorant, period.

[YoungRemy]

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[YoungRemy]

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[YoungRemy]

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[YoungRemy]

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[rirv]

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I think this woman's opinions definitely need to be listened to.

[Freebasser]

Agreed.

The lion is a nice touch.

[YoungRemy]

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talk about a diverse group!

[YoungRemy]

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[rirv]

None of the people in this here white ignorance march have even half the nuts of any of the following:

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[kaiser soze]

You'd think someone would take a little bit more care when quoting their hero (Franklin)

Nice treatment of the flag too

The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.

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Not a single sign about the cost of the two wars in lives and dollars, huh

[YoungRemy]

up to two million people my ass.

[ericlee]

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[kaiser soze]

9/12ers website uses symbol of socialism, leftism, radicalism - now how about that?

http://912dc.org/

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[Bob]

THIS WAS ORGANIZED BY GLENN BECK and his 9-12 project, tea party supporting, Freedom Works sponsored cohorts that feed these people a pack of lies based on fear (sound familiar?)

I happen to find people who let their opinions on politics to be shaped by satirists to be morons.

but it's good to see people go out and do something about those opinions

[YoungRemy]

and so the media war begins. there will be accusations from one side saying the numbers were inflated and from the other side saying the liberal media failed to report the march on their headline news....


But top Republican strategists and many party observers also worry about the impact that the most extreme protesters might have on the party's image, including those who carry swastika signs or obsess over the veracity of Obama's Hawaiian birth.

Mark McKinnon, a former adviser to Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) and other Republicans, said there is an "opportunity for Republicans" to tap into legitimate fears about an overreaching federal government. But he said that "right-wing nutballs are aligning themselves with these movements" and are dominating media coverage.

"It's bad for Republicans because in the absence of any real leadership, the freaks fill the void and define the party," McKinnon said.


Saturday's march is sponsored by the same loose-knit coalition of groups that helped to organize health-care protests over the summer and anti-tax rallies in the spring. They include the Tea Party Patriots, ResistNet and Freedomworks, a Washington-based organization headed by former House majority leader Richard Armey (R-Tex.). The march has also been heavily publicized by Fox News host Glenn Beck as part of his "9-12 Project."

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[RobMoney$]

and so the media war begins. there will be accusations from one side saying the numbers were inflated and from the other side saying the liberal media failed to report the march on their headline news....

Debating how many were in attendance is kind of missing the point, or intentionally trying to change the point.

Just had to laugh when I looked in GP and saw that no one had even considered starting a thread to discuss it.

No one.


The standard for all internet political forums continues to be set by our BBMB.

[Bob]

(because it's garbage)

[YoungRemy]

Debating how many were in attendance is kind of missing the point, or intentionally trying to change the point.

Just had to laugh when I looked in GP and saw that no one had even considered starting a thread to discuss it.

No one.


The standard for all internet political forums continues to be set by our BBMB.

so why do you keep coming back?

I'm thrilled you started the thread. this protest shows how ignorant some people are. It's absolutely amazing to see it in its shining racist All American glory...

I repeat, those people are ignorant, period. that's my political take. if anyone here was at this protest, then i am aiming my comments at you.

anyone else is free to believe whatever they want about it, and debating the attendance is perfectly within realm, as is showing the most racist depictions and images of those people who attended.

[RobMoney$]

Also, can I just say that sitting on your ass in front of your computer monitor pointing out typos on a sign of someone who is actually out exercising their rights only reinforces the "elitist" stereotype that liberals are tagged with.

[RobMoney$]

I'm thrilled you started the thread. this protest shows how ignorant some people are. It's absolutely amazing to see it in its shining racist All American glory...


Umm, those racists were protesting Pelosi too, and Harry Reid.
Not to mention the picture of the woman of color I posted who was selling "Nobama" pins.
Was she racist too?

[YoungRemy]

sure you can say it. the people who misspelled those signs at the protest are morons.

[RobMoney$]

sure you can say it. the people who misspelled those signs at the protest are morons.


Those morons get a vote and have just as much of a say on what goes on with this country as you do.

[Bob]

Those morons get a vote and have just as much of a say on what goes on with this country as you do.

nobody's saying they don't or shouldn't

(but they are morons)

i mean, they base their opinions off what glenn beck told them. even you think they're morons, don't you?

[YoungRemy]

You can point out hypocrisy and double standards all you want, they are morons.

PERIOD

peace

[Documad]

Rob, go back to the political forum already. No need to bring it to another forum.

The photos gave me my biggest laugh of the weekend though. I collect funny photos of signs.

The woman with the lion was my favorite. She came so close . . . . She meant to say that her zoo has an African lion. But "My zoo has an African" is so much better. How great is that?

[Caribou]

Also, can I just say that sitting on your ass in front of your computer monitor pointing out typos on a sign of someone who is actually out exercising their rights only reinforces the "elitist" stereotype that liberals are tagged with.

tbh, I don't know what this whole thing is about, but I think the main point of ridicule is not so much their typos as their slogans. Calling obama a Nazi, saying you're waiting 'armed and ready' and a whole bunch of racist comments do not sound very intelligent to me. They just make me wonder if these people actually know what's going or if they are just copying the views of someone without doing any research. The latter seems to be most likely.

[RobMoney$]

nobody's saying they don't or shouldn't

(but they are morons)

i mean, they base their opinions off what glenn beck told them. even you think they're morons, don't you?


So what you're suggesting is the guy who may have spent a couple of years in Vietnam is a "moron" and is exercising his right as an American to peacefully protest the Government on an issue he feels strongly about shouldn't be taken seriously because he's holding a sign with the word "mortgage" misspelled on it?

You do realize that the "morons" (in England's eyes) are the ones who founded this country, right?


Really, who cares if there's a typo.
Yeah, it's funny and all, but I respect people who will take the time to stand up and fight for what it is they believe, and I think they should be treated with respect for it. Regardless if they've made a typo or not.
It just smacks of elitism.


Also, how can you say what (arguably) two million people base their opinions off of i.e. Glenn Beck?
You're stereotyping everyone there. I don't see how you can realisticly do that.

[RobMoney$]

Rob, go back to the political forum already. No need to bring it to another forum.

Of course there was a need to bring it to this forum.
I can't post pics over there, even if I wanted to.
And I wanted to leave the legacy of it not even being discussed over there intact.


The photos gave me my biggest laugh of the weekend though. I collect funny photos of signs.

The woman with the lion was my favorite. She came so close . . . . She meant to say that her zoo has an African lion. But "My zoo has an African" is so much better. How great is that?

Yeah, I didn't post that pic.
Someone else attempting to paint everyone there as a racist did.
I was attempting to start a thread where a serious dialogue about the event could happen, but some people just won't let that happen.

[Bob]

So what you're suggesting is the guy who may have spent a couple of years in Vietnam is a "moron" and is exercising his right as an American to peacefully protest the Government on an issue he feels strongly about shouldn't be taken seriously because he's holding a sign with the word "mortgage" misspelled on it?

no, if he's a moron it's because he's angrily protesting about a problem that doesn't exist (obama being a socialist nazi kenyan national who wants to euthanize the elderly) because glenn beck told him to through tears and spittle. but the typo certainly doesn't help his case

the constitution grants every american the right to make a sign and march on washington and be a moron in public. nobody's disputing that. i don't know why you keep harping on it

You do realize that the "morons" (in England's eyes) are the ones who founded this country, right?

what does this have to do with anything? what a bizarre thing to be condescending about


Really, who cares if there's a typo.
Yeah, it's funny and all, but I respect people who will take the time to stand up and fight for what it is they believe, and I think they should be treated with respect for it. Regardless if they've made a typo or not.
It just smacks of elitism.

but rob, a lot of these people believe what they believe because they listen to idiots like glenn beck. in your own words, that makes them morons. why do you respect them suddenly?

and for god's sake, learn a new buzzword, you use "elitist" so much i don't even think you know what it means anymore

[YoungRemy]

where did anyone point out a typo from behind their monitor, by the way?

all i did was post some "protest pics" as the thread title suggested.

just like the OP posted a picture of a sign that says "GLEN BECK FOR PRESIDENT"

[RobMoney$]

no, if he's a moron it's because he's angrily protesting about a problem that doesn't exist (obama being a socialist nazi kenyan national who wants to euthanize the elderly) because glenn beck told him to through tears and spittle. but the typo certainly doesn't help his case

You obviously know what Glenn Beck does more than me because I don't watch the show. I've stated this it seems in almost every political thread I post in, but no one seems to hear me.

Correct me if I'm worng, but weren't they protesting the out of control government spending?
That exists Bob. It absolutely exists.
It must feel awesome to feel like you're smarter and know what this country needs more than two million people.

the constitution grants every american the right to make a sign and march on washington and be a moron in public. nobody's disputing that. i don't know why you keep harping on it

Calling your political counterpart a "moron" is part of the problem with the level of hate that exists in American Politics.
You're no better than the Congressman who called Obama a liar during his speech. You're both contributing to a lack of civility.
Van Jones was forced to resign for this, just this week.

what does this have to do with anything? what a bizarre thing to be condescending about

How could me defending people against being called "morons" possibly be condescending? Dramatic much?



but rob, a lot of these people believe what they believe because they listen to idiots like glenn beck. in your own words, that makes them morons. why do you respect them suddenly?

Some of them, OK.
But I'm sure a lot of them are perfectly capable of coming to the conclusion all on their own.
You're marginalizing them when you accuse them of being incapable of thinking for themselves.


and for god's sake, learn a new buzzword, you use "elitist" so much i don't even think you know what it means anymore


What do you suggest I call a 20-something college kid who makes fun of war veterans for misspelling a word like "mortgage"?

[Documad]

I respect people who speak out against things they believe are wrong or in favor of things they support. But they should be protesting something because of their heartfelt belief, not because they are following instructions from someone else. If you just repeat things you were told by someone with a personal agenda, then you're a fool. As Bob said, you have a right to act like a fool in this country but I also have a right to point and laugh.

[RobMoney$]

I think it's foolish to ASS-U-ME that everyone there was under the instructions of Glenn Beck.

[The Notorious LOL]

Jesus...half these idiots cannot even spell AMNESTY

[Documad]

Rob, it's absolutely staggering to me that you believe that those photos you posted are part of some lofty debate about issues and that you're standing up for the people holding those signs. Like in the first photo, the photo of Pelosi with the big nose and the remark about botox. Do you honestly admire the woman holding the sign? I was raised to believe that conduct like that is the lowest form of debate. Yes, it's protected by the first amendment but it's reprehensible. I'd say the same thing if it was a photo of Sarah Palin, BTW.

And many of those photos/signs of Obama are flat out racist. Again, it's protected by our constitution, but encouraging people to act like that is unhealthy and potentially dangerous.

I don't know anyone in my extended circle of friends or family who would participate in that sort of event. Even if I believed in what they're saying (and I do on some level -- I am terribly worried about the deficit for instance) I would go to great lengths to separate myself from those horrible people. I thought you were putting us on by starting this thread but I'm just floored that you're seriously suggesting that these people are to be admired. W.T.F.

[The Notorious LOL]

P.S. RobMoney you're a withered pile of goat shit.

[Documad]

Jesus...half these idiots cannot even spell AMNESTY

That's probably my favorite part. It has to be intentional. Maybe they're trying to get on the Daily Show or something.

[mikizee]

And America wonders why they are mocked by the rest of the world, its because of these backward nutcases.

'Ever notice that people who believe in Creationism look really unevolved?' - Bill Hicks

[YoungRemy]

excellent discussion (y)

[Documad]

EDIT -- nevermind. For a moment my brain froze.

[RobMoney$]

Rob, it's absolutely staggering to me that you believe that those photos you posted are part of some lofty debate about issues and that you're standing up for the people holding those signs. Like in the first photo, the photo of Pelosi with the big nose and the remark about botox. Do you honestly admire the woman holding the sign? I was raised to believe that conduct like that is the lowest form of debate. Yes, it's protected by the first amendment but it's reprehensible. I'd say the same thing if it was a photo of Sarah Palin, BTW.

And many of those photos/signs of Obama are flat out racist. Again, it's protected by our constitution, but encouraging people to act like that is unhealthy and potentially dangerous.

I don't know anyone in my extended circle of friends or family who would participate in that sort of event. Even if I believed in what they're saying (and I do on some level -- I am terribly worried about the deficit for instance) I would go to great lengths to separate myself from those horrible people. I thought you were putting us on by starting this thread but I'm just floored that you're seriously suggesting that these people are to be admired. W.T.F.

The article I posted claims two million people were there.
Are there going to be some in that crowd who are racist or illiterate, of course.
Does that mean everyone at that protest is then racist and illiterate?

And I'm sorry if I don't find making fun of the illiterate to be funny.

Reducing everyone there to the lowest denomination may be funny on the Daily Show, but it's just not true.
I'm willing to bet there were plenty of Lawyers, Librarians, and college students in attendance.

[Bob]

You obviously know what Glenn Beck does more than me because I don't watch the show. I've stated this it seems in almost every political thread I post in, but no one seems to hear me.


i know you say you don't watch the show. i didn't say you did. i said the protesters watch the show, get influenced by it, and then participate in protests that are in part organized and/or publicized by people like glenn beck.


Correct me if I'm worng, but weren't they protesting the out of control government spending?
That exists Bob. It absolutely exists.
It must feel awesome to feel like you're smarter and know what this country needs more than two million people.


some of them were, yes. and you're right, that does exist. that's a rational thing to protest. i'm ok with the people who are protesting that. but i have a hunch that "up to 2 million people" weren't driven to angry protest over the budget. i'm talking about these people:

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Calling your political counterpart a "moron" is part of the problem with the level of hate that exists in American Politics.
You're no better than the Congressman who called Obama a liar during his speech. You're both contributing to a lack of civility.

i was actually quoting you when i used the word "moron". you called them that. not me. you just didn't know it yet.



How could me defending people against being called "morons" possibly be condescending? Dramatic much?

you do realize that using the phrase "you do realize that _________, right?" is condescending, right?



Some of them, OK.
But I'm sure a lot of them are perfectly capable of coming to the conclusion all on their own.
You're marginalizing them when you accuse them of being incapable of thinking for themselves.


i'm not so confident. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1Ntu7Aapys#t=1m48s)

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What do you suggest I call a 20-something college kid who makes fun of war veterans for misspelling a word like "mortgage"?

how about campus fuckface? you haven't use that one in a while. i mean it doesn't really work, because i graduated, but come on, switch it up a little

[A. Chimendez]

Thanks for a collection of pictures that remind me how batshit crazy fucking insane-o this country has gotten.

How fear and paranoia will rule over any kind of real discussion for rational thought or I don't know, tact or logical evaluation. People just want a rally. They don't care about what they are saying, just leaps and grabs that boil down to a knee jerk reaction to change.

I'm not talking about "change" as in political slogan; just a word that apparently come people cower away from because they are so desperately afraid of failure. Seems this entire country just sits and doubts themselves to the point of self loathing. So they rally together and advocate name calling, senseless finger pointing and blame shifting.

Insurance companies spend more money screening potential clients then actually helping people with medical expenses because the last thing they want to do if fail a claim? Does that seem right?

The current system would have companies not cover all people because previous health issues would make them a "risk to insure"?
Does that seem right?

And you say that we have the best health care system in the world?
Since when? Do we have some of the best medial facilities in the world? Absolutely. Is France, (actually the "best health care system in the world" ranked by the World Health Organization in 2000) or England, or even Canada a "socialist" country?
Whats wrong with following their leads?
How about instead of going to the streets and calling the President unfounded insults with propaganda, there is actual rational discussions. How about instead of shouting just to hear your own voice, we have a real list of concerns. It amazes me how people listen to lies and rumors and call them absolute fact.

Read the bill. If you have a problem with certain aspects, outline your arguments, cite facts and bring something to the table other then just fear mongering because that's all I've seen so far.

Fucking sad state of affairs this country is in.

[Bob]

I think it's foolish to ASS-U-ME that everyone there was under the instructions of Glenn Beck.

i just don't understand how else such a huge amount of people could be under the impression that obama is hitler and/or stalin and/or is kenyan and/or wants to euthanize the elderly and/or is taking away our freedom (to....?). it takes a series of leaps to reach that conclusion and i just don't see how so many people could make them on their own

[Documad]

The article I posted claims two million people were there.
Are there going to be some in that crowd who are racist or illiterate, of course.
Does that mean everyone at that protest is then racist and illiterate?

I was talking about the photos that YOU posted. You're saying that you admire these people and YOU decided to post the photo of Pelosi and some of Obama that offend me. I don't find the activities pictured in YOUR photos to be admirable.

And to be clear, I wouldn't make fun of the illiterate if this was a special needs group. But when people get on their high horse and write signs they clearly think are clever, it's funny when the signs are actually quite stupid. If you are so upset about an issue like "amnesty" that you haul ass to an event, park, walk for miles, buy posterboard and markers and write out a sign, but you never figure out how to spell amnesty, it's funny and tragic at the same time.

[RobMoney$]

excellent discussion (y)

You're part of the discussion.
Contribute something of substance.

[RobMoney$]

how about campus fuckface? you haven't use that one in a while. i mean it doesn't really work, because i graduated, but come on, switch it up a little


Oh look, a typo.

Don't worry Bob, I don't think you're a moron.

[Bob]

Oh look, a typo.

Don't worry Bob, I don't think you're a moron.

again - it's not the typos that bother me, it's the hitlerkenyastalin bullshit

[Documad]

The typos bother me.

If Bob had made that mistake on a sign and then walked to the mall to wave it in the air, then I would mock him. I have easier standards for message board posts because I'm a poor typist.

[RobMoney$]

I was talking about the photos that YOU posted. You're saying that you admire these people and YOU decided to post the photo of Pelosi and some of Obama that offend me. I don't find the activities pictured in YOUR photos to be admirable.

And to be clear, I wouldn't make fun of the illiterate if this was a special needs group. But when people get on their high horse and write signs they clearly think are clever, it's funny when the signs are actually quite stupid. If you are so upset about an issue like "amnesty" that you haul ass to an event, park, walk for miles, buy posterboard and markers and write out a sign, but you never figure out how to spell amnesty, it's funny and tragic at the same time.


I guess that's possible.
It's also possible that some of these people just went to the protest without a poster and managed to get a blank piece of board from someone and just quickly scribbled the first thing that popped into their heads.

[YoungRemy]

You're part of the discussion.
Contribute something of substance.

i have already stated that these people do not make the Republican Party look good, you just chose to ignore it. which is fine

The Tea Party, Freedom Works, and Glenn Beck's 9-12 Project organized this, and their supporters are the ones that showed up and ended up in those pictures. I do not support or respect these people and I'm glad some people here agree with me.

i think it was probably about 60,000 to 70,000 people, which is impressive to say the least. good job for everyone who organized this.

[yeahwho]

I have never seen anything as moronic as these photos all of the time I've posted here.

So this is what Glenn Beck's sewer looks like. Those folks must be very proud of themselves, driving home with all the self righteous indignation of being shat upon by FOX News and the Glenn Beck Show.

[BBboy20]

If only there were protests that were this big in the Bush administration...but I guess worrying about your own chronic health is more important then a soldier's sacrifice.

[kaiser soze]

and now a WTF moment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiXOF8wBWsA&eurl

Yes, keep the kids away from the president's message - there are others with much better to share

:rolleyes:

moron.

[RobMoney$]

If only there were protests that were this big in the Bush administration...


LOL.

You know shit's bad when Bush is your measuring stick.

[kaiser soze]

another interesting video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q7XH8lfGMc&eurl

[RobMoney$]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C55GznHiexA&feature=related

Interesting, according to the "tea partyers" in this video, they don't condone the Obama-Hitler Photos.
Not only that, but they flat-out renounce them.

Also, there's a "young black man" holding one of the Obama-Hitler posters.
But this is all racist tho.
Let's see if you can spot the racist in this video.
Black guy says the "young black man" shouldn't be holding the sign, but it's OK for his white friend to.
Flat out called him an Uncle Tom.

This protest had less to do with race than a lot of the race baiters will have you believe.

Keep stereotyping every single person at this protest though. (y)

[NoLayupRule]

Well this shows one thing at least.

Stupidity loves company

[YoungRemy]

Those morons get a vote and have just as much of a say on what goes on with this country as you do.

that's what I'm afraid of Rob. I'm being honest here. it frightens me to think these views are out there. I'm sorry if my viewpoint is different than yours, but my viewpoint is valid and shared among others.

[kaiser soze]

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/2673/slide_2673_37539_large.jpg

wow, the guy in the red hat has the same outfit as my 7 month old!

[kaiser soze]

"He's gonna indoctrinate our kids into becoming a national defense army."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlf_rUVGRNw&eurl

Uh, ever hear of the National Guard? Coast Guard? Bush's Dept. of Homeland Security?

I like how the last guy was brandishing a gun that has been historically connected to terrorists, communists, and fascists.

The ass who slapped the woman's sign could be charged with assault and destruction of private property.

[kaiser soze]

More commentary on the logo of beck's 9/12er movement

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/culturemonster/2009/09/glenn-becks-912-logo-based-on-on-communist-and-socialist-designs.html

But do Beck; the corporate-sponsored astro-turf group, FreedomWorks, headed by former House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-Texas); the Ayn Rand Center for Individual Rights; the private-property group, the National Assn. of Rural Landowners; and the rest of the march sponsors know the symbol's origins?

Unity and resistance are what the fist represented in 1917, when it was first employed by the Industrial Workers of the World, a union organization founded by socialists. And in the 1940s, when it stood for various nations' communist party organizations.

I guess not - they embrace all the terminology, symbology and iconography of these movements, how ironic

projection at it's best

[Dorothy Wood]

there's nothing worse than an idiot who doesn't know he's an idiot.

[Echewta]

LOOK! POOP ON A SIGN! HAHA, SEE EVEN THE POOPER KNOWS A PUBLIC OPTION IS POOP!

[funk63]

Very creative signs.

[ToucanSpam]

This is hilarious. They've got Obama/Joker with the caption "socialism" and "fascism" on different posters! These people DON'T KNOW THE DEFINITION OF EITHER WORD! I don't take them seriously. This is just an example of how mindless some people are and how willing they are to be herded. This is a joke, America's uneducated right are a joke and Glenn Beck is a joke.

[DandyFop]

Also, can I just say that sitting on your ass in front of your computer monitor pointing out typos on a sign of someone who is actually out exercising their rights only reinforces the "elitist" stereotype that liberals are tagged with.

Yes, it's much more noble to be the one sitting on your ass in front of your computer monitor associating yourself with bigotry. You, sir, should be proud.

[kaiser soze]

oh snap! crackle! and pop!

[ToucanSpam]

There's nothing elitist about pointing out the simple, logical fact that these people do not understand what they are doing. They need to be educated before they start depicting their president as a number of mass murdering dictators who treated human beings so utterly poorly that to whisper their name in public in the modern world is to evoke evil itself. They are allowed to voice their displeasure of health care reforms, but they should do so in a manner which is tasteful and intellectual. These people should be ashamed of their racism and sheer ignorance.

[kaiser soze]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/RobMoney004/12protest2_650.jpg



Not to mention their blatant disregard for the treatment of the flag they so brazenly wave around as if THEY own it. I see two violations in this pic and could pick out many more in the others

patriots they are not

[camo]

Holy shit these images are shamefully embarrassing.

Is anything in the USA done with decorum?

[Dorothy Wood]

Is anything in the USA done with decorum?


yes, it just doesn't make the paper.

[saz]

If only there were protests that were this big in the Bush administration...but I guess worrying about your own chronic health is more important then a soldier's sacrifice.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/15/sprj.irq.protests.main/

[saz]

"Tea party" photo shows huge crowd — at different event

By Catharine Richert
Politifact (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/sep/14/tea-party-photo-shows-large-crowd-different-event/)
Published on Monday, September 14th, 2009 at 11:34 a.m.



Over the weekend, conservatives enthusiastically passed around a photo they said showed a huge crowd protesting President Barack Obama's policies during the "tea party" demonstration on Sept. 12, 2009.

With headlines that said the rally organized by the conservative group FreedomWorks drew as many as 2 million people, the photo showed a sea of protesters that stretched more than a mile from the Capitol to the Washington Monument. Conservative blog postings and Facebook updates said the media was unfairly reporting much smaller numbers.

The meme went viral on Twitter, and pictures of huge crowds were posted widely on conservative blogs.

"I have no doubt that Washington Democrats are well aware of how many people turned out, even as their media outlets try to downplay the event," said Power Line, a conservative blog that linked to the photograph from Say Anything, another conservative Web site.

"'Media' estimates range from 60,000 to 500,000 to around 2 million (yes, 2,000,000)," wrote John G. Winder for the conservative blog Cypress Times. "Those estimates, the language employed, and the visuals chosen for use in reporting the rally and representing the people gathered, vary greatly based solely on bias."

In the mainstream media, crowd estimates varied.

The New York Times reported that "thousands" of protesters "filled the west lawn of the Capitol and spilled onto the National Mall," while Fox News wrote that "tens of thousands" marched on Washington.

And from CNN: "The march leading to the Capitol stretched for blocks on the final day of the Tea Party Express' cross-country bus tour, which began August 28 in Sacramento, Calif. En route, the group hosted rallies in about 30 cities. An official crowd estimate was not available, but reporters at the scene described the massive crowd as reaching the tens of thousands."

We spoke with Pete Piringer, public affairs officer for the D.C. Fire and Emergency Department, who said that the local government no longer provides official crowd estimates because they can become politicized. That said, on the morning of Sept. 12, Piringer unofficially told one reporter that he thought between 60,000 and 75,000 people had shown up.

"It was in no way an official estimate," he said.

We asked Piringer whether there were enough protesters to fill the National Mall, as depicted in the photograph.

"It was an impressive crowd," he said. But after marching down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol the crowd "only filled the Capitol grounds, maybe up to Third Street," he said.

We asked Piringer whether there were enough protesters to fill the National Mall, as depicted in the photograph.

"It was an impressive crowd," he said. But after marching down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol the crowd "only filled the Capitol grounds, maybe up to Third Street," he said.

Yet the photo showed the crowd sprawling far beyond that to the Washington Monument, which is bordered by 15th and and 17th Streets.

There's another big problem with the photograph: It doesn't include the National Museum of the American Indian, a building located at the corner of Fourth Street and Independence Avenue that opened on Sept. 14, 2004. (Looking at the photograph, the building should be in the upper right hand corner of the National Mall, next to the Air and Space Museum.) That means the picture was taken before the museum opened exactly five years ago. So clearly the photo doesn't show the "tea party" crowd from the Sept. 12 protest.

Also worth noting are the cranes in front of the Natural History Museum (the second building from the lower left of the National Mall). According to Randall Kremer, the museum's director of public affairs, "The last time cranes were in front was in the 1990s when the IMAX theater was being built."

That makes the picture at least a decade old. (We'll update this item if we find out when exactly it was taken.)

The conservative bloggers who originally posted the picture have backed down.

Say Anything updated its original post to say that the picture was "of the wrong rally." An accurate photo "clearly shows that [the rally] didn’t take place on the mall nearly as extensively as the image I mistakenly posted does."

Power Line took the picture down all together. We decided to still rate it on the Truth-O-Meter because so many people saw the photo on Facebook or other sites over the weekend and probably were unaware it was not from the Saturday protest.

It may be a real photograph, but it does not depict the much smaller crowd that showed up for the protest. We rate it Pants on Fire!

UPDATE: We've received reader e-mails all day telling us that the rally featured in the photograph was organized in 1997 by the Promise Keepers, a group for Christian men. According to the group's Web site, nearly 1 million people showed up for the event. While we're still waiting to hear back from Promise Keepers as to whether the photograph is, indeed, of the group's march, but we've found a few other shots of the event that lead us to believe that our readers are correct. You can view them here, here and here.
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[Randetica]

obama over kanye though lol

[BBboy20]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/15/sprj.irq.protests.main/Ah so the only way to REALLY get noticeable is being American, have far-right (or the lack of common sense) ideologies, and a network that shares your specific beliefs to gain very large media exposure.

[kaiser soze]

Need a good laugh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y&feature

[RobMoney$]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/RobMoney004/9080666-500x500.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/RobMoney004/holycrapoly.jpg

[BBboy20]

Need a good laugh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y&feature"Destroyed most of the country!"

What? Have they been living under a rock in the previous administration?

[RobMoney$]

Yes, it's much more noble to be the one sitting on your ass in front of your computer monitor associating yourself with bigotry. You, sir, should be proud.


Let's face it hon, bigotry and illiteracy exists on both sides of the aisle...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/RobMoney004/stopbush-3222-20nov03.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/RobMoney004/stopbush-2988-20nov03.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/RobMoney004/kill_bush_sights.jpg

[RobMoney$]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/RobMoney004/kill_bush.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/RobMoney004/imheretokillbush.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/RobMoney004/i-love-newyork.jpg

[RobMoney$]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/RobMoney004/bush_hitler.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/RobMoney004/bush-hitler_3-19-06.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/RobMoney004/bushhitler.jpg

[RobMoney$]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/RobMoney004/KillBush_Kids_180.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/RobMoney004/IMG_2416.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/RobMoney004/IMG_0543.jpg

[Bob]

Let's face it hon, bigotry and illiteracy exists on both sides of the aisle...


yep

[kaiser soze]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/RobMoney004/9080666-500x500.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/RobMoney004/holycrapoly.jpg

oooh, expressionist protest

The difference between bush and obama - at least 100,000 dead

[DandyFop]

Man, Rob, you are so good at googling and cutting and pasting! What a way to make a change!

[Dorothy Wood]

Need a good laugh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y&feature


that didn't make me laugh, it made me almost cry.

I can't believe so many people are so stupid.

[RobMoney$]

The difference between bush and obama - at least 100,000 dead


Yeah, I guess 9-11 never would have happened if Obama or another liberal were in office.

[RobMoney$]

that didn't make me laugh, it made me almost cry.

I can't believe so many people are so stupid.


That's the same way I feel everytime I read one of your threads in BF.

[camo]

Man you've gotta be as bored as shit.

[Knuckles]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/chickencow/mcdonalds.jpg

[kaiser soze]

Yeah, I guess 9-11 never would have happened if Obama or another liberal were in office.

We will never know, but I do know this - IT DID HAPPEN with bush in office, actually he was in a grade school at the time

Still at least 100,000 dead difference, bush has earned the likeness and I'm a bit concerned that you're not even phased with the fact that bush has killed so many people.

wait? I thought you didn't like bush.....looks like you love him now

(n)

here's another for your collection, from Brazil nonetheless

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-5/729624/bush_protest_brazil2.jpg

[Audio.]

PEOPLE AND THE JOKER DARK KNIGHT SHIT SHOULD FUCKING HAVE A BOOT UP THEIR ASS.
I'm tired of it.

[Audio.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxKIcrDsJAs

Real talk.

[YoungRemy]

was Heath Ledger's fictional Joker character also a fascist?

I'm trying to see the correlation.


http://www.larouchepac.com/

[saz]

eisenhower and nixon must be rolling in their graves.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UASS1qFAIQ8



While Fox News cameras covering the so-called 9.12 Project on the National Mall lurched away from signs morphing President Barack Obama's face into Adolph Hitler's, I zoomed in. Histrionics and manufactured paranoia were hard to avoid at the massive September 12 anti-Obama rally orchestrated by Fox News host Glenn Beck and former Republican House Majority Leader Dick Armey's corporate lobbying front group, Freedom Works.

When I dove into the angry mob with a camera, I captured scenes of self-proclaimed "real Americans" declaring that the community organizing group ACORN was Obama's version of Hitler's SS; that the President planned to establish concentration camps for right-wing dissidents; and that Obama was raising a private army in the guise of a civilian volunteer force. The death panel rumor is just one of a rapidly growing array of conspiracy theories reverberating through the Republican base. Each one is more hysterical than the last.

Conspiracism has proven a useful tool for distracting many of the 9.12 Project participants I met from their own economic interests. Having been convinced through endless hours of right-wing media that government involvement in their healthcare would lead to totalitarian slavery, some demonstrators told me they were content to not have healthcare at all. Others said they would stop collecting their Social Security as soon as "the government gets out of my life."

My video tour of the 9.12 Project is yet another exhibit of how the Republican Party's big tent became a one-ring circus that operates according to the rules of P.T. Barnum: "There's a sucker born every minute."

(For the inside story of how the radical right took over the GOP and drove it to the margins, check out my new book, "Republican Gomorrah: Inside The Movement That Shattered The Party." (http://www.amazon.com/Republican-Gomorrah-Inside-Movement-Shattered/dp/1568583982))

[Dorothy Wood]

That's the same way I feel everytime I read one of your threads in BF.

you're just jealous because your life sucks.

[YoungRemy]

let's stay on topic. I challenge anyone to not resort to a personal attack.

this is the thread about the protest that Glenn Beck organized.

[Dorothy Wood]

let's stay on topic. I challenge anyone to not resort to a personal attack.

this is the thread about the protest that Glenn Beck organized.


but dad! he started it!

here, I'll connect it. these people who follow Glenn Beck are sad sorry saps who have lame awful lives and they're completely unhappy, but still somehow think that they're better than everyone else and don't want anything to change. being angry about something, anything, makes them feel important. but it's all just empty and pathetic. like rob.

[Belt Parkway]

Need a good laugh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y&feature
The best part is around the 8 minute mark. "And you know this how?"

LOL

[YoungRemy]

lying about the attendance is one thing, using a photo from a 12 year old rally is another thing. Freedom Works!

In the competitive world of Washington protests, crowd size is often a matter of dispute. Organizers usually boast of huge crowds, while police and the news media offer much smaller estimates.

So supporters of Saturday’s “tea party” protests against President Barack Obama were quick to highlight their big turnout. To bolster countless claims on blogs and Facebook, many posted a photograph that showed a gargantuan crowd sprawling from Capitol Hill down the National Mall to the Washington Monument.

But it turns out the photo is more than 10 years old, apparently taken during a 1997 Promise Keepers rally...

Conservative bloggers who originally posted the picture have backed down.



http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/sep/14/tea-party-photo-shows-large-crowd-different-event/

http://www.tampabay.com/universal/politifact/photos/Tea_party_photo.jpg

[nodanaonlyzuul]

lame protest posters and signs do occur on both sides of the fence. A lot of people do just blindly follow what they are told, again, on both sides of the fence.

Although I see why on one hand someone would respect the fact that people would go out to stand up for what they believe in, it's sickening to see some people protest without finding information out for themselves. They let it be spoon fed to them. They blindly follow. In some cases, that results in them believing in lies. There's that, and/or them being completely content with being ignorant or blindly following. It's sickening and frightening.

I will say it again because I know I will be called out on it if I don't: all that I said above still applies to both sides.

And it's something that I don't think anyone should respect.

[skra75]

Those morons get a vote and have just as much of a say on what goes on with this country as you do.

They sure do.
Thank goodness!

Moron's unite! We put one of you in office before, we can do it again!

Thanks - my new sig!

[skra75]

i have already stated that these people do not make the Republican Party look good, you just chose to ignore it. which is fine


The Republican party as we know it is already totally dead. This "Tea Party" is a tragic attempt to make the party "hip" and "young" again. Political ideals should be neither.

[saz]

they think they're making it hip and young, but they're really projecting the image of knuckle-dragging, mouth breathing, neanderthal meatheads.

[RobMoney$]

They sure do.
Thank goodness!

Moron's unite! We put one of you in office before, we can do it again!

Thanks - my new sig!

FYI, I'm not a Republican.
Been registered Democrat since I was 18yo.
I just don't support Obama, or any politician who creates a trillion dollar deficit within the first 6 mos. they're in office, no matter what party they happen to be.
Apparently, expecting the President of the United States to act responsibly on economic issues makes me a conservative.


they think they're making it hip and young, but they're really projecting the image of knuckle-dragging, mouth breathing, neanderthal meatheads.


Again, you're stereotyping everyone who was at that rally, or who is opposed to the unprecedented deficit spending, from the photos that were taken by the media of the most controversial signs and images that were present.

That's just as unfair as stereotyping all liberals by the Bush-Hitler signs I posted.
Just because some people are extremist doesn't mean they represent everyone.

[RobMoney$]

Man, Rob, you are so good at googling and cutting and pasting! What a way to make a change!

Show me where I ever claimed to be Abbey Hoffman, or just shut up.
Stupid responses like this aren't helping you.

[RobMoney$]

you're just jealous because your life sucks.


You should think about NOT throwing insults around, considering how much of an open book your life is.

[BBboy20]

You should think about NOT throwing insults around, considering how much of an open book your life is.Actually, a lot look at this site as a open book so......yeah.

[saz]

I just don't support Obama, or any politician who creates a trillion dollar deficit within the first 6 mos. they're in office, no matter what party they happen to be.
Apparently, expecting the President of the United States to act responsibly on economic issues makes me a conservative.

Again, you're stereotyping everyone who was at that rally, or who is opposed to the unprecedented deficit spending, from the photos that were taken by the media of the most controversial signs and images that were present.

That's just as unfair as stereotyping all liberals by the Bush-Hitler signs I posted.
Just because some people are extremist doesn't mean they represent everyone.

uh, that was inherited from bush, the same guy who bailed out wall street. obama's only into the first year of his first term, and there aren't (http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/09/14/obama-wall-street-speech.html) going to be any more bailouts.

what's interesting though is that where were all of these "tea baggers" when bush was not only spending the entire treasury, but borrowing trillions from china to wage two wars, one of which was completely unnecessary, illegal, and based on total bullshit? where were these frustrated tax payers when bush was spending trillions on tax cuts that would only benefit the rich? where were these people when the patriot act was passed and signed into law by bush? oh yeah, they were watching fox news, whose "news" anchors and pundits were telling anyone who thought differently to "shut up", that they "hated america", and were "al qaeda sympathizers".

[Dorothy Wood]

You should think about NOT throwing insults around, considering how much of an open book your life is.

oh great, a threat. what are you going to do, call me a slut? I already have randy for that.

[cookiepuss]

Holy shit these images are shamefully embarrassing.

Is anything in the USA done with decorum?

I agree.:o

Obama isn't pushing socialism. Where the hell do these people come up with this bullshit?

welcome to the post-rational era.

[Randetica]

oh great, a threat. what are you going to do, call me a slut? I already have randy for that.

and also 95% of the other bbmbers

[Dorothy Wood]

ouch

[camo]

You should think about NOT throwing insults around, considering how much of an open book your life is.

...and you shouldn't be posting up anger inciting threads without expecting shots on the personal side.

Unfortunately (or fortunately as the case maybe) I know dick all about you so in the defense of Miss Wood I'd like to say that your avatar looks a bit, well, rubbishy.

Take that.

[RobMoney$]

uh, that was inherited from bush, the same guy who bailed out wall street. obama's only into the first year of his first term, and there aren't (http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/09/14/obama-wall-street-speech.html) going to be any more bailouts.

what's interesting though is that where were all of these "tea baggers" when bush was not only spending the entire treasury, but borrowing trillions from china to wage two wars, one of which was completely unnecessary, illegal, and based on total bullshit? where were these frustrated tax payers when bush was spending trillions on tax cuts that would only benefit the rich? where were these people when the patriot act was passed and signed into law by bush? oh yeah, they were watching fox news, whose "news" anchors and pundits were telling anyone who thought differently to "shut up", that they "hated america", and were "al qaeda sympathizers".



Good point.


Again, concluding that because I don't support Obama means that I must have supported Bush is faulty logic.
I actually dislike Bush too, believe it or not.

I can only laugh at people who use defense spending to justify every entitlement program that comes up.
And I will never understand the position of
"Our spending has been unsustainable since the Bush Administration, yet I support not only the continued spending but the huge increase in spending, and you can not say anything now because you did not speak up loud enough before."

For me, I was highly uncomfortable with the spending for a long time.
BUT, spending in war time is something you have to do in response to being attacked. Just like WWII and just like after 9/11.
The difference between a couple of years ago and in January is that the spending was increased even more.
More and more.
And it's debatable whether the Wall St. and Auto bailouts were necessary.

In 8 years, Bush added $4 Trillion to the National Debt.
In his 1st year, Obama is looking at adding at least $1.75 Trillion. If you can't understand the change from being uncomfortable to extreme concern as a response, then I don't know what else to say.

Oh, and if you want to talk hypocrisy, what about those for who have been screaming about the spending in Iraq and Afghanistan and now are the same people who have been cheering on the huge increases in deficit spending with this administration and are the same ones pushing for Government run health care which will increase the tax burden upon America FOREVER as a new entitlement program, meanwhile ignoring the massive issues with the current entitlement programs we already have.

I mean, I understand why many people feel that those that are protesting are hypocritical since they didn't speak up during the Bush Administration.
I get that, and it's true.
And a finger can be pointed directly at me.
My biggest concern was the "War on Terror" at that time and keeping our country safe. The economy was doing well and I had more work than I could handle.
I'm not saying I was unaware of the pending financial problems but admittedly I wasn't as vocal about my concerns as I should have been.
But as the economy worsened, people started to pay more attention.

And It's untrue that those on the right weren't speaking out by this time during the Bush Administration. Look no further than his approval ratings.
And you're right about this starting under Bush because this was the start of what we are seeing today in DC, not Obama's Inauguration.
This is when a lot of people started to realize that the government that they trusted, on both sides of the aisle, is failing us and leading us deeper and deeper into a hole.
Obama coming in and forcing through that huge stimulus bill, proposed cap and trade and an unheard of budget plan, plus the financial burden of a possible health care plan only made it exponentially worse.
Yes, people are pissed off and should have been a long time ago.
Where were those on the left forming Tea Party rallies during Bush's years? I didn't see any.
Left, right, it doesn't make a difference to me.
I don't feel I can trust any of them anymore.

[RobMoney$]

...and you shouldn't be posting up anger inciting threads without expecting shots on the personal side.

Unfortunately (or fortunately as the case maybe) I know dick all about you so in the defense of Miss Wood I'd like to say that your avatar looks a bit, well, rubbishy.

Take that.


Yeah, I'm not here for insults.
I could have easily posted something insulting about Dorothy if that's what I was going for.

[Dorothy Wood]

Yeah, I'm not here for insults.
I could have easily posted something insulting about Dorothy if that's what I was going for.

uhh, you're the one who started in on the insults. unprovoked, might I add. I was responding to a youtube video.

I said:
Originally Posted by Dorothy Wood http://beastieboys.com/bbs/images/buttons_mixup/viewpost.gif (http://beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=1697002#post1697002)
that didn't make me laugh, it made me almost cry.

I can't believe so many people are so stupid.

and you said
That's the same way I feel everytime I read one of your threads in BF.


you can dish it out, but you can't take it. say whatever you want to me, I don't care.

[camo]

you can dish it out, but you can't take it. say whatever you want to me, I don't care.

I would never date you or even kiss you.

[Randetica]

i wonder why no one puts rob on ignore :confused:

maybe without those fights people would have too much time or something

[Dorothy Wood]

I would never date you or even kiss you.

what's that about then? :confused:

that's fine, I never really imagined we'd be each other's type.

[camo]

what's that about then? :confused:

that's fine, I never really imagined we'd be each other's type.

It was just a lil jokey dig.

It's ok, I'm waaaaaay outta your league (y)

[Dorothy Wood]

It was just a lil jokey dig.

It's ok, I'm waaaaaay outta your league (y)


I'm confused about what's happening here. are you trying to hurt my feelings?

it's not working. I don't really want to be in the league of graphic hoodies, flat brims and chicks that look like they're modeling hair products at all times. to each their own though.

I don't want to fight, camo, you seem like a nice person.

[camo]

I'm just playing around...I'm not trying to hurt your feelings. Kinda read my posts back in a 'we all know what Dot's about' type head on :o

[Dorothy Wood]

oh, like I just want everyone to think I'm gorgeous and be all into me at all times?

I see. I think. :confused:

[saz]

Good point.


Again, concluding that because I don't support Obama means that I must have supported Bush is faulty logic.
I actually dislike Bush too, believe it or not.

I can only laugh at people who use defense spending to justify every entitlement program that comes up.
And I will never understand the position of
"Our spending has been unsustainable since the Bush Administration, yet I support not only the continued spending but the huge increase in spending, and you can not say anything now because you did not speak up loud enough before."

For me, I was highly uncomfortable with the spending for a long time.
BUT, spending in war time is something you have to do in response to being attacked. Just like WWII and just like after 9/11.
The difference between a couple of years ago and in January is that the spending was increased even more.
More and more.
And it's debatable whether the Wall St. and Auto bailouts were necessary.

In 8 years, Bush added $4 Trillion to the National Debt.
In his 1st year, Obama is looking at adding at least $1.75 Trillion. If you can't understand the change from being uncomfortable to extreme concern as a response, then I don't know what else to say.

Oh, and if you want to talk hypocrisy, what about those for who have been screaming about the spending in Iraq and Afghanistan and now are the same people who have been cheering on the huge increases in deficit spending with this administration and are the same ones pushing for Government run health care which will increase the tax burden upon America FOREVER as a new entitlement program, meanwhile ignoring the massive issues with the current entitlement programs we already have.

I mean, I understand why many people feel that those that are protesting are hypocritical since they didn't speak up during the Bush Administration.
I get that, and it's true.
And a finger can be pointed directly at me.
My biggest concern was the "War on Terror" at that time and keeping our country safe. The economy was doing well and I had more work than I could handle.
I'm not saying I was unaware of the pending financial problems but admittedly I wasn't as vocal about my concerns as I should have been.
But as the economy worsened, people started to pay more attention.

And It's untrue that those on the right weren't speaking out by this time during the Bush Administration. Look no further than his approval ratings.
And you're right about this starting under Bush because this was the start of what we are seeing today in DC, not Obama's Inauguration.
This is when a lot of people started to realize that the government that they trusted, on both sides of the aisle, is failing us and leading us deeper and deeper into a hole.
Obama coming in and forcing through that huge stimulus bill, proposed cap and trade and an unheard of budget plan, plus the financial burden of a possible health care plan only made it exponentially worse.
Yes, people are pissed off and should have been a long time ago.
Where were those on the left forming Tea Party rallies during Bush's years? I didn't see any.
Left, right, it doesn't make a difference to me.
I don't feel I can trust any of them anymore.

rob, i wasn't accusing you of supporting bush because you don't support obama. i was aiming my criticisms at the tea baggers. bush brought about financial ruin, and we didn't hear a peep from them, nor from glen beck for that matter, as fox news was cheering on bush and the previous republican congress. i believe that you don't like bush because you're a fiscal conservative, like me.

it's disappointing though that you laugh at people who cite defence spending to justify "every entitlement program". first, i don't justify "entitlement" programs. second, even nixon drastically cut defence spending and increased social security and medicare spending. a strong social safety net benefits the citizenry at large, which will then benefit the vibrancy and health of a society.

i don't support the continued spending per se, however was the stimulus, and certain bail outs, such as the banks and gm necessary? yes. without bailing out the banks and gm, the economy would have been severly crippled. it would have been brutal, as america's economic system would have collapsed, ie 1929, and the devastation from allowing gm to fall, with hundreds of thousands out of work and lives ruined, would have been devastating. and yes, the stimulus has been working, it has been saving (http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE56Q4TS20090727) and creating (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-08-02-stimulus_N.htm) jobs (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125185379218478087.html). will there be more bailouts and stimulus spending? obama has said no (http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/09/14/obama-wall-street-speech.html), as there is little appetite for additional spending.

the iraq war was completely unnecessary, illegal and morally wrong. bush wasted trillions on this immense debacle, which could have been used to repair every road, bridge and highway in america. he also could have reformed health care. but instead, he found it fit to bomb the hell out of iraq and then rebuild that country. this stupid war had nothing to do with 9/11.

you're forgetting though or not realizing that bush has left this new administration the debt. well before the last election (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-02-04-budget-analysis_N.htm), this was being forecast and everyone knew it was coming. so whether it was obama or mccain, they were already going to inherit a budget deficit for their first year in office. look, the fact of the matter is that either obama or mccain would have inherited this, as tax cuts, the iraq war, and the economic collapse (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jan/16/nancy-pelosi/tax-cuts-rich-deficit/) are the major contributing factors.

i haven't seen, read or been exposed to anyone who have been "cheering" on deficit spending, even though in tough times, just like 9/11 or after the economic collapse, people will naturally turn to the government and expect assistance, just as was the case after the great depression, which lead to the formation of social security etc. and "government run health care"? well first of all, america already has extremely popular programs like medicare and medicaid, and as the non-partisan congressional budget office has determined, only twelve million would opt for the public option and private insurance companies will not be driven out of business (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/28/cbo-gives-boost-to-obamas-health-plan/print/). and countries that have public health insurance systems pay much less for it than america's system. health care costs in the us are skyrocketing (http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml) and will only get worse. the status quo is unsustainable and reform is desperately needed. geez, even lou dobbs (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=92429) reported on this, that the american system is much more expensive than public insurance systems.

i'm glad though that you can see and acknowledge the incredible hypocrisy of the tea baggers. i mean, come on, the patriot act?! these people are petrified that obama is going to take away their guns (meanwhile the cowardly dems haven't done anything on this and probably won't re-enact clinton's assault weapon ban), yet meanwhile their actual rights and privacy etc were effected during the last eight years. and yes, there were some on the right speaking out, such as andrew sullivan, ron paul and pj o'rourke, and other conservatives who hadn't lost their way, however they were either marginalized, ridiculed or viciously attacked by the gop. and cap and trade by the way, or a carbon tax, was initially championed by conservatives, such as enron's own ken lay. and i think they had a point, considering that a carbon tax would discourage big polluting and help combat the problem, while that tax revenue could assist in paying down the national debt.

people were taking to the streets during the bush years. there were hundreds of thousands (http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/15/sprj.irq.protests.main/) of them, not to mention the millions more around the world.

i know what you're saying though about not being able to trust any of them though, hence my rooting for nader and the greens in the last election.

[RobMoney$]

i don't support the continued spending per se, however was the stimulus, and certain bail outs, such as the banks and gm necessary? yes. without bailing out the banks and gm, the economy would have been severly crippled. it would have been brutal, as america's economic system would have collapsed, ie 1929, and the devastation from allowing gm to fall, with hundreds of thousands out of work and lives ruined, would have been devastating. and yes, the stimulus has been working, it has been saving (http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE56Q4TS20090727) and creating (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-08-02-stimulus_N.htm) jobs (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125185379218478087.html). will there be more bailouts and stimulus spending? obama has said no (http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/09/14/obama-wall-street-speech.html), as there is little appetite for additional spending.


Let's suppose for a minute, that Obama had not "bailed out" GM.
Where would we be?

Millions would have been out of work? That happened anyway.
GM would have gone bankrupt? Probably. And the government would have stepped in and taken over.

Which is where we are now.


Personally, I wasn't buying the "sky is falling" predictions.
The GDP is predicted to decline 1.2% for 2009.
And the stimulus money wasn't predicted to have an impact until 2010.

If I were Obama, I would have called their bluff.
Fuck You. No Bailouts. Go Bankrupt, I dare you. Sometimes business' fail in a Capitalist society.
I definetly would have dared the investment bank assholes to go bankrupt.
There's no way those greedy bastards would have gone out of business over a 1.2% loss.
The worst that would have happened is we would have found ourselves in the same exact place we are right now.
Steamrolling towards Government controlling all kinds of business we never would have predicted.
With the Trillion still in our pockets.

[Schmeltz]

Oh, and if you want to talk hypocrisy, what about those for who have been screaming about the spending in Iraq and Afghanistan and now are the same people who have been cheering on the huge increases in deficit spending with this administration and are the same ones pushing for Government run health care which will increase the tax burden upon America FOREVER as a new entitlement program, meanwhile ignoring the massive issues with the current entitlement programs we already have.

As has been repeatedly pointed out to you, spending massive amounts of money bombing the shit out of impoverished Muslims on the other side of the world is nothing at all like spending massive amounts of money on improving the healthcare options available to American citizens. There's no hypocrisy there at all, actually. You're comparing apples to oranges. On the other hand, there is the matter of bad timing - for the Obama administration to introduce an admittedly clumsy and unwieldy piece of legislation at a time of severe economic stress is probably unwise. It would seem the man's reach exceeds his grasp. But if that's your point, why not just say so instead of making an idiot of yourself with comparisons to Hitler and catcalls of "socialism"? You say you didn't like Bush, but your substitution of frenetic paranoia for rational discourse kind of gives the lie to that.

If I were Obama, I would have called their bluff.
Fuck You. No Bailouts. Go Bankrupt, I dare you. Sometimes business' fail in a Capitalist society.

What the economic crisis has emphatically demonstrated is that a purely capitalist society, a war of all against all in which the wealthy are permitted to exploit everyone else purely for the sake of their own financial gain, does not work. It doesn't even work for the wealthy. It ceases to function and social collapse threatens. The stimulus packages passed by both the Bush and Obama administrations echoed the stimulus packages enacted all over the world, from China to Europe to Canada, in seeking to salvage the best of an increasingly bad situation by rescuing ordinary citizens - the people whose productive energy is the actual engine of economic progress - from predation by unfettered and unregulated elitist financial institutions. Nobody was bluffing here. This is about making sure everyone can get by in a time when the rich have managed to fuck us all around. It's probably the best we can hope for.

And just to twist this particular knife again - if your government already controls the world's most powerful army and enough nuclear power to atomize the planet ten times over, why is it such a big deal for them to prop GM up? I mean really now? Your founding fathers warned against the standing army that could round you all up like sheep if the order was given, right? But saving jobs with government money is the unforgivable sin? What a fucking joke.

PS - I bet you took all these pics yourself, right? Like when you went to New York or whatever.

[RobMoney$]

PS - I bet you took all these pics yourself, right? Like when you went to New York or whatever.

I really should have posted a qualifier that I did not actually take these pics myself.
I admit that I copied them from Google.

You got me again, Sherlock.

[roosta]

the socialism signs crack me up....

do they know that Tony Blair's Labour sit with the Socialist Group in Europe?

do they even know what socialism means?

[rirv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q7XH8lfGMc

[kaiser soze]

it's not the SOCIAL they are concerned with

it is the ISM at the end of it

Thus all the accusations of connections with facISM, marxISM, terrorISM and communISM

and that is how they are all connected, they are ISMs!!

[Freebasser]

ISMs make me JISM.

[Bob]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q7XH8lfGMc

i like the woman who yells "YOU CAN HAVE IT JUST DON'T MAKE US TAKE IT"

pretty sure that's what "option" means

[kaiser soze]

http://godhatesprotesters.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/ynlrm.jpg

http://godhatesprotesters.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/i_shaved_my_balls.jpg

http://godhatesprotesters.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/noise_e_piranha-25863.jpg

http://godhatesprotesters.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/qdmgv2.jpg

http://godhatesprotesters.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/gangsters.jpg

from here

http://godhatesprotesters.wordpress.com/

[Randetica]

http://godhatesprotesters.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/ynlrm.jpg



(y)

[yeahwho]

http://godhatesprotesters.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/i_shaved_my_balls.jpg

That's my town, lol, Seattle! And those are some locals down goofin' on the teabaggers.

One of my best friends went out with full on Nazi regalia last year to help out the anti-abortion protest at a local high school, they kept trying to shake him off but he made sure to be right there when the Local TV cameras showed up.

[Bob]

http://godhatesprotesters.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/noise_e_piranha-25863.jpg



hahaha