New Album hot sauce committee

[Fritobandito]

I hope they went back to the MPC and left reason alone for this album...

[mate_spawn_die]

yes

[martijn]

i think all the tracks are them playing instruments

[Fritobandito]

When I heard the track with nas I thought to myself OOO NOO REASON ...

[Sir SkratchaLot]

Its not reason or an MPC that you're misssing. It's the samples. All reason or an MPC does is arrange the samples, they don't make the sound. With the earlier Beastie Boys records, they were using a lot of jazz and funk records (really they were using a whole variety of samples) but that classic hip hop vibe is coming from the sample not the MPC. They could just as easily sequence the same tracks in reason. The thing with To the Five Burroughs is that a lot of the samples were the pre-loaded "reason" samples. I guess they were sick of getting sued. There's just something with the sonic quality of those types of samples that doesn't sit as well with me as a nice Ron Carter bass sample.

[Monsieur Decuts]

Its not reason or an MPC that you're misssing. It's the samples. All reason or an MPC does is arrange the samples, they don't make the sound. With the earlier Beastie Boys records, they were using a lot of jazz and funk records (really they were using a whole variety of samples) but that classic hip hop vibe is coming from the sample not the MPC. They could just as easily sequence the same tracks in reason. The thing with To the Five Burroughs is that a lot of the samples were the pre-loaded "reason" samples. I guess they were sick of getting sued. There's just something with the sonic quality of those types of samples that doesn't sit as well with me as a nice Ron Carter bass sample.


I agree and disagree...each studio product emits its own ambiance...that echoy, reason sound is an unmistakable footprint on the tune. The SP1200/MPC is just a sample organizer and doesn't really have their own background noise (which is why producers often sample records playing silence). You can't escape the digitalness of a reason session.

[Brother McDuff]

I agree and disagree...each studio product emits its own ambiance...that echoy, reason sound is an unmistakable footprint on the tune. The SP1200/MPC is just a sample organizer and doesn't really have their own background noise (which is why producers often sample records playing silence). You can't escape the digitalness of a reason session.


i disagree. the sp12 is known for it's tone, which is a crunchy, bit-reduced distortion. while it's not like vinyl hiss, it still not only provides its own noise floor, but has established a trademark on it at that.

but yeah, reason's sounds are super digital sounding. i didnt mind tt5b's production though. it was cool to hear their take on the cheap audio workstation.

[Guy Incognito]

i think its more to do with the fact that there wasnt enough variety and most of the rhymes were shit. oh word in particular was awful for that

[Brother McDuff]

funny, oh word was my first favorite song on the record.:o

i think i appreciate the album more for the simplicity of the tools enlisted than for the overall quality. were it not the bboys i probly wouldnt have cared for it at all. but when musicians have already proven themselves over a host of approaches and genre crossovers, i find it exciting for the sole purpose of hearing an inarguably solid recording outfit take on a new challenge; and lets face it, making reason (stock sounds and all) sound fresh is a hefty order. i think it could have been better, but it could have been a much much worse outing considering the means by which they chose to create.

[MintyFreshBeats]

Its not reason or an MPC that you're misssing. It's the samples. All reason or an MPC does is arrange the samples, they don't make the sound. With the earlier Beastie Boys records, they were using a lot of jazz and funk records (really they were using a whole variety of samples) but that classic hip hop vibe is coming from the sample not the MPC. They could just as easily sequence the same tracks in reason. The thing with To the Five Burroughs is that a lot of the samples were the pre-loaded "reason" samples. I guess they were sick of getting sued. There's just something with the sonic quality of those types of samples that doesn't sit as well with me as a nice Ron Carter bass sample.


I concur with the fellow above. Attributing an albums sound to a particular sequencer (MPC, Reason, Logic, etc.) is like saying food tastes a certain way because of the type of stove it was cooked on or the brand of pots that held the ingredients.

None of these tools have an inherent "sound" to them...or taste for that matter.

[b i o n i c]

I concur with the fellow above. Attributing an albums sound to a particular sequencer (MPC, Reason, Logic, etc.) is like saying food tastes a certain way because of the type of stove it was cooked on or the brand of pots that held the ingredients.

None of these tools have an inherent "sound" to them...or taste for that matter.

but things so taste differently depending on the type of stove or cookware you use.. or does brick oven pizza taste the same as microwave pizza

[Nerd Fight]

Does anyone know if they used Reason for Brrr Stick 'Em?
I'm sort of fixated on that song....I really like it, but it sounds so different from nearly all the other tracks they put out around that time.

[Kid Presentable]

Brr Stick Em deserves an instruments layer and to be included in the Tadlock's suite of music. It's like a 21st century Skills to Pay the Bills in terms of its B-Side awesomeness quotient.

I like the tech insights in this thread. For my uneducated moneys, Mike's drums haven't sounded as good since like Pass the Mic or Futterman's Rule as they do on Too Many Rappers. I'd love to hear them rhyme over a live drum track. But yeah TMR thumps and I love it.

In fact, the ascension of Mike D is something I'm writing a thesis about. It should be done in about 8 years.

I think the sick thing about the songs we've heard so far is that they actually sound like music they would have made when they were 17-18. Limited in terms of technical abilities, but making complete sense in terms of Beastie Boys music. I don't know whether it's intentional or not, but even B-Boys in the Cut is sounding more and more like a klutzy Tribe Called Quest nod, and I like it for that at the very least. The 3 songs sound like making the utmost out of very little, sort of how Cookie Puss worked. Carn the boys.

[laurie_hammy]

Yeah things are looking fuckin sweet for the new album. Imagine another Tribe album that'd be crazy. Phife recently came out on stage for Award Tour when Tip was performing. After they finished Tip said "that may be the last time you'll ever see that happen".

[smith7800]

Technical insight ITT!(y)

[Kid Presentable]

Yeah things are looking fuckin sweet for the new album. Imagine another Tribe album that'd be crazy. Phife recently came out on stage for Award Tour when Tip was performing. After they finished Tip said "that may be the last time you'll ever see that happen".

I don't know what you're saying.

[Brother McDuff]

technology these days tends to flatten the mistiness of lo-fi bred artists, when in reality, that gray sonic area between hi-fi and harsh salty garbage is and always has been that that heavenly balance between the primal punk attitude and the catchy, relative sensibilities of pop accessibility.

the long and short of it; a guerilla approach to recording and overall creation still speaks taller volumes than the over-calculated and 'too self aware' efforts of many other artists.

then again, we are all beastie fans, so its easier to crown the 'Thrillish 3' with favorable preconceptions.




compltely lost track of the point there. drunk typing never does any good for anyone.

Sorry

[Fritobandito]

Reason has a fake sound compared to an MPC ... kinda like serato vs real vinyl.. I hope they work with a co producer on this project like a mario c, dust brothers or even danger mouse ...

[laurie_hammy]

I don't know what you're saying.

An I dunno what you're saying.

[Kid Presentable]

schweet!

[jennyb]

Does anyone know if they used Reason for Brrr Stick 'Em?
I'm sort of fixated on that song....I really like it, but it sounds so different from nearly all the other tracks they put out around that time.

I LOVE LOVE Brrr Stick 'Em so much. Especially when Mike does the "do do do do do do do do do do do do"