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RobMoney$
09-26-2009, 12:41 PM
Mr. President,
Ladies and Gentlemen,

Nearly 62 years ago, the United Nations recognized the right of the Jews, an ancient people 3,500 years-old, to a state of their own in their ancestral homeland.

I stand here today as the Prime Minister of Israel, the Jewish state, and I speak to you on behalf of my country and my people.

The United Nations was founded after the carnage of World War II and the horrors of the Holocaust. It was charged with preventing the recurrence of such horrendous events. Nothing has undermined that central mission more than the systematic assault on the truth.

Yesterday the President of Iran stood at this very podium, spewing his latest anti-Semitic rants. Just a few days earlier, he again claimed that the Holocaust is a lie.

Last month, I went to a villa in a suburb of Berlin called Wannsee. There, on January 20, 1942, after a hearty meal, senior Nazi officials met and decided how to exterminate the Jewish people. The detailed minutes of that meeting have been preserved by successive German governments.

Here is a copy of those minutes, in which the Nazis issued precise instructions on how to carry out the extermination of the Jews. Is this a lie?

A day before I was in Wannsee, I was given in Berlin the original construction plans for the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp. Those plans are signed by Hitler’s deputy, Heinrich Himmler himself. Here is a copy of the plans for Auschwitz-Birkenau, where one million Jews were murdered. Is this too a lie?

This June, President Obama visited the Buchenwald concentration camp. Did President Obama pay tribute to a lie? And what of the Auschwitz survivors whose arms still bear the tattooed numbers branded on them by the Nazis? Are those tattoos a lie?

One-third of all Jews perished in the conflagration. Nearly every Jewish family was affected, including my own. My wife's grandparents, her father’s two sisters and three brothers, and all the aunts, uncles and cousins were all murdered by the Nazis. Is that also a lie?
Yesterday, the man who calls the Holocaust a lie spoke from this podium. To those who refused to come here and to those who left this room in protest, I commend you. You stood up for moral clarity and you brought honor to your countries.

But to those who gave this Holocaust-denier a hearing, I say on behalf of my people, the Jewish people, and decent people everywhere: Have you no shame? Have you no decency?

A mere six decades after the Holocaust, you give legitimacy to a man who denies that the murder of six million Jews took place and pledges to wipe out the Jewish state. What a disgrace! What a mockery of the charter of the United Nations!

Perhaps some of you think that this man and his odious regime threaten only the Jews. You're wrong. History has shown us time and again that what starts with attacks on the Jews eventually ends up engulfing many others.

This Iranian regime is fueled by an extreme fundamentalism that burst onto the world scene three decades ago after lying dormant for centuries.

In the past thirty years, this fanaticism has swept the globe with a murderous violence and cold-blooded impartiality in its choice of victims. It has callously slaughtered Moslems and Christians, Jews and Hindus, and many others. Though it is comprised of different offshoots, the adherents of this unforgiving creed seek to return humanity to medieval times. Wherever they can, they impose a backward regimented society where women, minorities, gays or anyone not deemed to be a true believer is brutally subjugated.

The struggle against this fanaticism does not pit faith against faith nor civilization against civilization. It pits civilization against barbarism, the 21st century against the 9th century, those who sanctify life against those who glorify death. The primitivism of the 9th century ought to be no match for the progress of the 21st century. The allure of freedom, the power of technology, the reach of communications should surely win the day.

Ultimately, the past cannot triumph over the future. And the future offers all nations magnificent bounties of hope. The pace of progress is growing exponentially. It took us centuries to get from the printing press to the telephone, decades to get from the telephone to the personal computer, and only a few years to get from the personal computer to the internet.

What seemed impossible a few years ago is already outdated, and we can scarcely fathom the changes that are yet to come.

We will crack the genetic code. We will cure the incurable. We will lengthen our lives. We will find a cheap alternative to fossil fuels and clean up the planet.

I am proud that my country Israel is at the forefront of these advances – by leading innovations in science and technology, medicine and biology, agriculture and water, energy and the environment. These innovations the world over offer humanity a sunlit future of unimagined promise.

But if the most primitive fanaticism can acquire the most deadly weapons, the march of history could be reversed for a time. And like the belated victory over the Nazis, the forces of progress and freedom will prevail only after a horrific toll of blood and fortune has been exacted from mankind.

That is why the greatest threat facing the world today is the marriage between religious fanaticism and the weapons of mass destruction, and the most urgent challenge facing this body is to prevent the tyrants of Tehran from acquiring nuclear weapons.

Are the member states of the United Nations up to that challenge? Will the international community confront a despotism that terrorizes its own people as they bravely stand up for freedom?

Will it take action against the dictators who stole an election in broad daylight and gunned down Iranian protesters who died in the streets choking in their own blood?

Will the international community thwart the world's most pernicious sponsors and practitioners of terrorism?

Above all, will the international community stop the terrorist regime of Iran from developing atomic weapons, thereby endangering the peace of the entire world?

The people of Iran are courageously standing up to this regime. People of goodwill around the world stand with them, as do the thousands who have been protesting outside this hall. Will the United Nations stand by their side?

Ladies and Gentlemen,
The jury is still out on the United Nations, and recent signs are not encouraging.

Rather than condemning the terrorists and their Iranian patrons, some here have condemned their victims. That is exactly what a recent UN report on Gaza did, falsely equating the terrorists with those they targeted.

For eight long years, Hamas fired from Gaza thousands of missiles, mortars and rockets on nearby Israeli cities. Year after year, as these missiles were deliberately hurled at our civilians, not a single UN resolution was passed condemning those criminal attacks.

We heard nothing – absolutely nothing – from the UN Human Rights Council, a misnamed institution if there ever was one.

In 2005, hoping to advance peace, Israel unilaterally withdrew from every inch of Gaza. It dismantled 21 settlements and uprooted over 8,000 Israelis.

We didn't get peace. Instead we got an Iranian backed terror base fifty miles from Tel Aviv. Life in Israeli towns and cities next to Gaza became a nightmare.

You see, the Hamas rocket attacks not only continued, they increased tenfold. Again, the UN was silent.

Finally, after eight years of this unremitting assault, Israel was finally forced to respond. But how should we have responded?

Well, there is only one example in history of thousands of rockets being fired on a country's civilian population. It happened when the Nazis rocketed British cities during World War II.

During that war, the allies leveled German cities, causing hundreds of thousands of casualties. Israel chose to respond differently. Faced with an enemy committing a double war crime of firing on civilians while hiding behind civilians – Israel sought to conduct surgical strikes against the rocket launchers.

That was no easy task because the terrorists were firing missiles from homes and schools, using mosques as weapons depots and ferreting explosives in ambulances.

Israel, by contrast, tried to minimize casualties by urging Palestinian civilians to vacate the targeted areas. We dropped countless flyers over their homes, sent thousands of text messages and called thousands of cell phones asking people to leave.

Never has a country gone to such extraordinary lengths to remove the enemy's civilian population from harm's way. Yet faced with such a clear case of aggressor and victim, who did the UN Human Rights Council decide to condemn? Israel.

A democracy legitimately defending itself against terror is morally hanged, drawn and quartered, and given an unfair trial to boot.

By these twisted standards, the UN Human Rights Council would have dragged Roosevelt and Churchill to the dock as war criminals. What a perversion of truth! What a perversion of justice!

Delegates of the United Nations,
Will you accept this farce? Because if you do, the United Nations would revert to its darkest days, when the worst violators of human rights sat in judgment against the law-abiding democracies, when Zionism was equated with racism and when an automatic majority could declare that the earth is flat.

If this body does not reject this report, it would send a message to terrorists everywhere: Terror pays; if you launch your attacks from densely populated areas, you will win immunity.

And in condemning Israel, this body would also deal a mortal blow to peace. Here's why. When Israel left Gaza, many hoped that the missile attacks would stop. Others believed that at the very least, Israel would have international legitimacy to exercise its right of self-defense.

What legitimacy? What self-defense?

The same UN that cheered Israel as it left Gaza and promised to back our right of self-defense now accuses us –my people, my country - of war crimes? And for what? For acting responsibly in self-defense. What a travesty!

Israel justly defended itself against terror. This biased and unjust report is a clear-cut test for all governments. Will you stand with Israel or will you stand with the terrorists?

We must know the answer to that question now. Now and not later. Because if Israel is again asked to take more risks for peace, we must know today that you will stand with us tomorrow.

Only if we have the confidence that we can defend ourselves can we take further risks for peace.

Ladies and Gentlemen,
All of Israel wants peace. Any time an Arab leader genuinely wanted peace with us, we made peace. We made peace with Egypt led by Anwar Sadat. We made peace with Jordan led by King Hussein.

And if the Palestinians truly want peace, I and my government, and the people of Israel, will make peace. But we want a genuine peace, a defensible peace, a permanent peace.

In 1947, this body voted to establish two states for two peoples – a Jewish state and an Arab state. The Jews accepted that resolution. The Arabs rejected it. We ask the Palestinians to finally do what they have refused to do for 62 years: Say yes to a Jewish state.

Just as we are asked to recognize a nation-state for the Palestinian people, the Palestinians must be asked to recognize the nation state of the Jewish people. The Jewish people are not foreign conquerors in the Land of Israel. This is the land of our forefathers.

Inscribed on the walls outside this building is the great Biblical vision of peace: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation. They shall learn war no more." These words were spoken by the Jewish prophet Isaiah 2,800 years ago as he walked in my country, in my city - in the hills of Judea and in the streets of Jerusalem. We are not strangers to this land. It is our homeland.

As deeply connected as we are to this land, we recognize that the Palestinians also live there and want a home of their own. We want to live side by side with them, two free peoples living in peace, prosperity and dignity.

But we must have security. The Palestinians should have all the powers to govern themselves except those handful of powers that could endanger Israel.

That is why a Palestinian state must be effectively demilitarized. We don't want another Gaza, another Iranian backed terror base abutting Jerusalem and perched on the hills a few kilometers from Tel Aviv.

We want peace.

I believe such a peace can be achieved. But only if we roll back the forces of terror, led by Iran, that seek to destroy peace, eliminate Israel and overthrow the world order.

The question facing the international community is whether it is prepared to confront those forces or accommodate them.

Over seventy years ago, Winston Churchill lamented what he called the "confirmed unteachability of mankind," the unfortunate habit of civilized societies to sleep until danger nearly overtakes them.

Churchill bemoaned what he called the "want of foresight, the unwillingness to act when action will be simple and effective, the lack of clear thinking, the confusion of counsel until emergency comes, until self-preservation strikes its jarring gong.”

I speak here today in the hope that Churchill's assessment of the "unteachability of mankind" is for once proven wrong.
I speak here today in the hope that we can learn from history -- that we can prevent danger in time.

In the spirit of the timeless words spoken to Joshua over 3,000 years ago, let us be strong and of good courage. Let us confront this peril, secure our future and, God willing, forge an enduring peace for generations to come.

RobMoney$
09-26-2009, 12:48 PM
Easily one of the greatest speeches of the past decade.
And probably one of the greatest ever given by an Israeli leader.
Somebody has to call Iran out.
If our President is unwilling to do it, then somebody has to.

rirv
09-26-2009, 01:30 PM
He had me until he tried to justify his own country's actions in killing many Palestinians and making many thousands more homeless.

DroppinScience
09-26-2009, 03:39 PM
What happened to your "resignation"?

And ditto to rirv, Netanyahu invokes the Holocaust to justify their own brutality of another people. The worst way to remember the Holocaust.

YoungRemy
09-26-2009, 04:00 PM
the worst way to remember the holocaust is to deny it ever existed.

DroppinScience
09-26-2009, 05:33 PM
the worst way to remember the holocaust is to deny it ever existed.

I stand corrected. I'll say the 2nd worst way is to inflict the same or similar amount of devastation on others as what was done to yourself.

yeahwho
09-26-2009, 06:11 PM
Somebody has to call Iran out.
If our President is unwilling to do it, then somebody has to.

Have you not been reading the papers, listening to the radio or watching TV the past few days? This seems like an alternate reality where Benjamin Netanyahu gives a speech and he's a hero, yet Obama takes action and he's unwilling?

RobMoney$
09-27-2009, 11:22 AM
As per usual yeahwho, I have absolutely no idea what you're on about.

yeahwho
09-27-2009, 11:40 AM
As per usual yeahwho, I have absolutely no idea what you're on about.

Recently every media outlet on the planet earth gave top story and front page coverage to Obama, a direct exposure of Iran's covert nuclear refinement facility and consequences of that exposure by our President have had impact that will undoubtedly be much more powerful than Benjamin Netanyahu's speech.

What a fool. I mean you have to be some sort of a real first class ass to be so naive you would not follow the events of our Countries recent Iranian dialogue.

But WTF, you go ahead and just play your strategy of Obama couldn't possibly have intelligent, assertive and resolve in leading the USofA.

I'm not going to bother linking you anything. It isn't worth the effort.

RobMoney$
09-27-2009, 11:44 AM
Netanyahu invokes the Holocaust to justify their own brutality of another people.


Funny, I thought he couldn't have been more clear about invoking the Holocaust to point out the entire reason the UN was formed, and their complete inaction against Iran for violating every sanction the UN throws at them and for pretty much Ahmandinejad being Hitler reborn and being so bold as to stand in front of the very UN that was formed to prevent another Holocaust from ever happening again and suggesting that the Holocaust never happened?

RobMoney$
09-27-2009, 11:46 AM
What a fool. I mean you have to be some sort of a real first class ass to be so naive you would not follow the events of our Countries recent Iranian dialogue.

Was this really necessary?

RobMoney$
09-27-2009, 11:47 AM
Madam President, Distinguished Heads of State and Government, Distinguished Heads of Delegation, Excellencies, Ladies and Gentlemen,
I praise the Merciful, All-Knowing and Almighty God for blessing me with another opportunity to address this Assembly on behalf of the great nation of Iran and to bring a number of issues to the attention of the international community.
I also praise the Almighty for the increasing vigilance of peoples across the globe, their courageous presence in different international settings, and the brave expression of their views and aspirations regarding global issues.
Today, humanity passionately craves commitment to the Truth, devotion to God, quest for Justice and respect for the dignity of human beings. Rejection of domination and aggression, defense of the oppressed, and longing for peace constitute the legitimate demand of the peoples of the world, particularly the new generations and the spirited youth, who aspire a world free from decadence, aggression and injustice, and replete with love and compassion. The youth have a right to seek justice and the Truth; and they have a right to build their own future on the foundations of love, compassion and tranquility. And, I praise the Almighty for this immense blessing.
Madame President, Excellencies,
What afflicts humanity today is certainly not compatible with human dignity; the Almighty has not created human beings so that they could transgress against others and oppress them.
By causing war and conflict, some are fast expanding their domination, accumulating greater wealth and usurping all the resources, while others endure the resulting poverty, suffering and misery.
Some seek to rule the world relying on weapons and threats, while others live in perpetual insecurity and danger.
Some occupy the homeland of others, thousands of kilometers away from their borders, interfere in their affairs and control their oil and other resources and strategic routes, while others are bombarded daily in their own homes; their children murdered in the streets and alleys of their own country and their homes reduced to rubble.
Such behavior is not worthy of human beings and runs counter to the Truth, to justice and to human dignity. The fundamental question is that under such conditions, where should the oppressed seek justice? Who, or what organization defends the rights of the oppressed, and suppresses acts of aggression and oppression? Where is the seat of global justice?
A brief glance at a few examples of the most pressing global issues can further illustrate the problem.
A. The unbridled expansion of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons
Some powers proudly announce their production of second and third generations of nuclear weapons. What do they need these weapons for? Is the development and stockpiling of these deadly weapons designed to promote peace and democracy? Or, are these weapons, in fact, instruments of coercion and threat against other peoples and governments? How long should the people of the world live with the nightmare of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons? What bounds the powers producing and possessing these weapons? How can they be held accountable before the international community? And, are the inhabitants of these countries content with the waste of their wealth and resources for the production of such destructive arsenals? Is it not possible to rely on justice, ethics and wisdom instead of these instruments of death? Aren't wisdom and justice more compatible with peace and tranquility than nuclear, chemical and biological weapons? If wisdom, ethics and justice prevail, then oppression and aggression will be uprooted, threats will wither away and no reason will remain for conflict. This is a solid proposition because most global conflicts emanate from injustice, and from the powerful, not being contented with their own rights, striving to devour the rights of others.
People across the globe embrace justice and are willing to sacrifice for its sake.
Would it not be easier for global powers to ensure their longevity and win hearts and minds through the championing of real promotion of justice, compassion and peace, than through continuing the proliferation of nuclear and chemical weapons and the threat of their use?
The experience of the threat and the use of nuclear weapons is before us. Has it achieved anything for the perpetrators other than exacerbation of tension, hatred and animosity among nations?
B. Occupation of countries and exacerbation of hostilities
Occupation of countries, including Iraq, has continued for the last three years. Not a day goes by without hundreds of people getting killed in cold blood. The occupiers are incapable of establishing security in Iraq. Despite the establishment of the lawful Government and National Assembly of Iraq, there are covert and overt efforts to heighten insecurity, magnify and aggravate differences within Iraqi society, and instigate civil strife.
There is no indication that the occupiers have the necessary political will to eliminate the sources of instability. Numerous terrorists were apprehended by the Government of Iraq, only to be let loose under various pretexts by the occupiers.
It seems that intensification of hostilities and terrorism serves as a pretext for the continued presence of foreign forces in Iraq.
Where can the people of Iraq seek refuge, and from whom should the Government of Iraq seek justice?
Who can ensure Iraq's security? Insecurity in Iraq affects the entire region. Can the Security Council play a role in restoring peace and security in Iraq, while the occupiers are themselves permanent members of the Council? Can the Security Council adopt a fair decision in this regard?
Consider the situation in Palestine:
The roots of the Palestinian problem go back to the Second World War. Under the pretext of protecting some of the survivors of that War, the land of Palestine was occupied through war, aggression and the displacement of millions of its inhabitants; it was placed under the control of some of the War survivors, bringing even larger population groups from elsewhere in the world, who had not been even affected by the Second World War; and a government was established in the territory of others with a population collected from across the world at the expense of driving millions of the rightful inhabitants of the land into a diaspora and homelessness. This is a great tragedy with hardly a precedent in history. Refugees continue to live in temporary refugee camps, and many have died still hoping to one day return to their land. Can any logic, law or legal reasoning justify this tragedy? Can any member of the United Nations accept such a tragedy occurring in their own homeland?
The pretexts for the creation of the regime occupying Al-Qods Al-Sharif are so weak that its proponents want to silence any voice trying to merely speak about them, as they are concerned that shedding light on the facts would undermine the raison d'ętre of this regime, as it has. The tragedy does not end with the establishment of a regime in the territory of others. Regrettably, from its inception, that regime has been a constant source of threat and insecurity in the Middle East region, waging war and spilling blood and impeding the progress of regional countries, and has also been used by some powers as an instrument of division, coercion, and pressure on the people of the region. Reference to these historical realities may cause some disquiet among supporters of this regime. But these are sheer facts and not myth. History has unfolded before our eyes.
Worst yet, is the blanket and unwarranted support provided to this regime.
Just watch what is happening in the Palestinian land. People are being bombarded in their own homes and their children murdered in their own streets and alleys. But no authority, not even the Security Council, can afford them any support or protection. Why?
At the same time, a Government is formed democratically and through the free choice of the electorate in a part of the Palestinian territory. But instead of receiving the support of the so-called champions of democracy, its Ministers and Members of Parliament are illegally abducted and incarcerated in full view of the international community.
Which council or international organization stands up to protect this brutally besieged Government? And why can't the Security Council take any steps?
Let me here address Lebanon:
For thirty-three long days, the Lebanese lived under the barrage of fire and bombs and close to 1.5 million of them were displaced; meanwhile some members of the Security Council practically chose a path that provided ample opportunity for the aggressor to achieve its objectives militarily. We witnessed that the Security Council of the United Nations was practically incapacitated by certain powers to even call for a ceasefire. The Security Council sat idly by for so many days, witnessing the cruel scenes of atrocities against the Lebanese while tragedies such as Qana were persistently repeated. Why?
In all these cases, the answer is self-evident. When the power behind the hostilities is itself a permanent member of the Security Council, how then can this Council fulfill its responsibilities?
C. Lack of respect for the rights of members of the international community
Excellencies,
I now wish to refer to some of the grievances of the Iranian people and speak to the injustices against them.
The Islamic Republic of Iran is a member of the IAEA and is committed to the NPT. All our nuclear activities are transparent, peaceful and under the watchful eyes of IAEA inspectors. Why then are there objections to our legally recognized rights? Which governments object to these rights? Governments that themselves benefit from nuclear energy and the fuel cycle. Some of them have abused nuclear technology for non-peaceful ends including the production of nuclear bombs, and some even have a bleak record of using them against humanity.
Which organization or Council should address these injustices? Is the Security Council in a position to address them? Can it stop violations of the inalienable rights of countries? Can it prevent certain powers from impeding scientific progress of other countries?
The abuse of the Security Council, as an instrument of threat and coercion, is indeed a source of grave concern.
Some permanent members of the Security Council, even when they are themselves parties to international disputes, conveniently threaten others with the Security Council and declare, even before any decision by the Council, the condemnation of their opponents by the Council. The question is: what can justify such exploitation of the Security Council, and doesn't it erode the credibility and effectiveness of the Council? Can such behavior contribute to the ability of the Council to maintain security?
Excellencies,
A review of the preceding historical realities would lead to the conclusion that regrettably, justice has become a victim of force and aggression. Many global arrangements have become unjust, discriminatory and irresponsible as a result of undue pressure from some of the powerful; Threats with nuclear weapons and other instruments of war by some powers have taken the place of respect for the rights of nations and the maintenance and promotion of peace and tranquility;
For some powers, claims of promotion of human rights and democracy can only last as long as they can be used as instruments of pressure and intimidation against other nations. But when it comes to the interests of the claimants, concepts such as democracy, the right of self-determination of nations, respect for the rights and intelligence of peoples, international law and justice have no place or value. This is blatantly manifested in the way the elected Government of the Palestinian people is treated as well as in the support extended to the Zionist regime. It does not matter if people are murdered in Palestine, turned into refugees, captured, imprisoned or besieged; that must not violate human rights.
- Nations are not equal in exercising their rights recognized by international law. Enjoying these rights is dependent on the whim of certain major powers.
- Apparently the Security Council can only be used to ensure the security and the rights of some big powers. But when the oppressed are decimated under bombardment, the Security Council must remain aloof and not even call for a ceasefire. Is this not a tragedy of historic proportions for the Security Council, which is charged with maintaining the security of countries?
- The prevailing order of contemporary global interactions is such that certain powers equate themselves with the international community, and consider their decisions superseding that of over 180 countries. They consider themselves the masters and rulers of the entire world and other nations as only second class in the world order.
Excellencies,
The question needs to be asked: if the Governments of the United States or the United Kingdom who are permanent members of the Security Council, commit aggression, occupation and violation of international law, which of the organs of the UN can take them to account? Can a Council in which they are privileged members address their violations? Has this ever happened? In fact, we have repeatedly seen the reverse. If they have differences with a nation or state, they drag it to the Security Council and as claimants, arrogate to themselves simultaneously the roles of prosecutor, judge and executioner. Is this a just order? Can there be a more vivid case of discrimination and more clear evidence of injustice?
Regrettably, the persistence of some hegemonic powers in imposing their exclusionist policies on international decision making mechanisms, including the Security Council, has resulted in a growing mistrust in global public opinion, undermining the credibility and effectiveness of this most universal system of collective security.
Excellencies,
How long can such a situation last in the world? It is evident that the behavior of some powers constitutes the greatest challenge before the Security Council, the entire organization and its affiliated agencies.
The present structure and working methods of the Security Council, which are legacies of the Second World War, are not responsive to the expectations of the current generation and the contemporary needs of humanity.
Today, it is undeniable that the Security Council, most critically and urgently, needs legitimacy and effectiveness. It must be acknowledged that as long as the Council is unable to act on behalf of the entire international community in a transparent, just and democratic manner, it will neither be legitimate nor effective. Furthermore, the direct relation between the abuse of veto and the erosion of the legitimacy and effectiveness of the Council has now been clearly and undeniably established. We cannot, and should not, expect the eradication, or even containment, of injustice, imposition and oppression without reforming the structure and working methods of the Council.
Is it appropriate to expect this generation to submit to the decisions and arrangements established over half a century ago? Doesn't this generation or future generations have the right to decide themselves about the world in which they want to live?
Today, serious reform in the structure and working methods of the Security Council is, more than ever before, necessary. Justice and democracy dictate that the role of the General Assembly, as the highest organ of the United Nations, must be respected. The General Assembly can then, through appropriate mechanisms, take on the task of reforming the Organization and particularly rescue the Security Council from its current state. In the interim, the Non-Aligned Movement, the Organization of the Islamic Conference and the African continent should each have a representative as a permanent member of the Security Council, with veto privilege. The resulting balance would hopefully prevent further trampling of the rights of nations.
Madame President,
Excellencies,
It is essential that spirituality and ethics find their rightful place in international relations. Without ethics and spirituality, attained in light of the teachings of Divine prophets, justice, freedom and human rights cannot be guaranteed.
Resolution of contemporary human crises lies in observing ethics and spirituality and the governance of righteous people of high competence and piety.
Should respect for the rights of human beings become the predominant objective, then injustice, ill-temperament, aggression and war will fade away.
Human beings are all God's creatures and are all endowed with dignity and respect.
No one has superiority over others. No individual or states can arrogate to themselves special privileges, nor can they disregard the rights of others and, through influence and pressure, position themselves as the "international community".
Citizens of Asia, Africa, Europe and America are all equal. Over 6 billion inhabitants of the earth are all equal and worthy of respect. Justice and protection of human dignity are the two pillars in maintaining sustainable peace, security and tranquility in the world.
It is for this reason that we state:
Sustainable peace and tranquility in the world can only be attained through justice, spirituality, ethics, compassion and respect for human dignity.
All nations and states are entitled to peace, progress and security.
We are all members of the international community and we are all entitled to insist on the creation of a climate of compassion, love and justice.
All members of the United Nations are affected by both the bitter and the sweet events and developments in today's world.
We can adopt firm and logical decisions, thereby improving the prospects of a better life for current and future generations.
Together, we can eradicate the roots of bitter maladies and afflictions, and instead, through the promotion of universal and lasting values such as ethics, spirituality and justice, allow our nations to taste the sweetness of a better future.
Peoples, driven by their divine nature, intrinsically seek Good, Virtue, Perfection and Beauty. Relying on our peoples, we can take giant steps towards reform and pave the road for human perfection. Whether we like it or not, justice, peace and virtue will sooner or later prevail in the world with the will of Almighty God. It is imperative, and also desirable, that we too contribute to the promotion of justice and virtue.
The Almighty and Merciful God, who is the Creator of the Universe, is also its Lord and Ruler. Justice is His command. He commands His creatures to support one another in Good, virtue and piety, and not in decadence and corruption.
He commands His creatures to enjoin one another to righteousness and virtue and not to sin and transgression. All Divine prophets from the Prophet Adam (peace be upon him) to the Prophet Moses (peace be upon him), to the Prophet Jesus Christ (peace be upon him), to the Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him), have all called humanity to monotheism, justice, brotherhood, love and compassion. Is it not possible to build a better world based on monotheism, justice, love and respect for the rights of human beings, and thereby transform animosities into friendship?
I emphatically declare that today's world, more than ever before, longs for just and righteous people with love for all humanity; and above all longs for the perfect righteous human being and the real savior who has been promised to all peoples and who will establish justice, peace and brotherhood on the planet.
0, Almighty God, all men and women are Your creatures and You have ordained their guidance and salvation. Bestow upon humanity that thirsts for justice, the perfect human being promised to all by You, and make us among his followers and among those who strive for his return and his cause.

yeahwho
09-27-2009, 11:54 AM
Was this really necessary?

Once again I have offended your delicate sensibilities.

Let me put this as kindly as I can,

Have you been following the recent developments of the US president and his engagement with Iran. It is something of substance. Everyone in my family along with everyone I work with have been discussing it to different degrees.

You should read about Obama's recent Iranian confrontation, it will enhance your "Benjamin Netanyahu's speech to the United Nations 9/24/09" thread somewhat.

RobMoney$
09-27-2009, 11:57 AM
Once again I have offended your delicate sensibilities.

Let me put this as kindly as I can,

Have you been following the recent developments of the US president and his engagement with Iran. It is something of substance. Everyone in my family along with everyone I work with have been discussing it to different degrees.

You should read about Obama's recent Iranian confrontation, it will enhance your "Benjamin Netanyahu's speech to the United Nations 9/24/09" thread somewhat.


Why didn't you just post it?
Why the need to immediatley insult someone because I didn't understand you sort of cryptic reference?

And if "everyone you know" is talking about it, why didn't you start a thread about it?

Probably because all you were looking to do was insult someone, not actually discuss it.


And it's not about "delicate sensibilities", it's about the ability to have an adult dialogue.
Enjoy the Day.

yeahwho
09-27-2009, 12:07 PM
Why didn't you just post it?
Why the need to immediatley insult someone because I didn't understand you sort of cryptic reference?

And if "everyone you know" is talking about it, why didn't you start a thread about it?

Probably because all you were looking to do was insult someone, not actually discuss it.


And it's not about "delicate sensibilities", it's about the ability to have an adult dialogue.
Enjoy the Day.

I am going to take your response as you haven't been reading the papers or watching the media outlets the past few days. I have no personal insult for you, your the one who basically said Benjamin Netanyahu's speech is the greatest speech of the past 10 years, I disagree. I disagree with his mindset and I disagree with his resolve.

I'm not going to impose on your Benjamin Netanyahu lovefest anymore because it is in my mind incomplete, the real story of the past week has been Barack Obama. His outing of Iran and the implications of international resolve carry much broader impact than that speech.

YoungRemy
09-27-2009, 12:21 PM
Netanyahu did what was right for his country- address Ahmadinejad and his ridiculous views on the holocaust, and the subsequent battle since 1947 between the Jewish State and the Arab world.

The rest of the UN Council, as well as the G20 Summit, put Iran on blast for its violation of nuclear weapons regulations...

Iran is breaking rules that all nations must follow, endangering the global nonproliferation regime, denying its own people access to the opportunity they deserve, and threatening the stability and security of the region and the world. It is time for Iran to act immediately to restore the confidence of the international community by fulfilling its international obligations.

giving Gaddhafi, Ahmadinejad, and Chavez (he praised Obama) a forum to ramble is ludicrous, but to say the president is unwilling to take a stand against Iran is equally as silly.

RobMoney$
09-27-2009, 12:38 PM
So apparently Obama made the statement on Friday, the same day as Netanyahu's speech.

I was unaware of it.
It's the weekend, and being the "fool" and "first class ass" that I am, I tend to not be as involved with the news as I normally do during the week.

Anyway, I'm aware that the US has done more than most to support Israel. I just question whether it's been enough.

I'm glad to see Obama's stance.
Apparently Britian and France are supporting him as well.


BTW Yeahwho, way to completely hijack the thread. You choose to completely ignore one of the best speeches of the past decade and focus on a throw-away comment that marginally criticized Obama.
God forbid someone criticize "The One" in the slightest.

yeahwho
09-27-2009, 07:46 PM
So apparently Obama made the statement on Friday, the same day as Netanyahu's speech.

I was unaware of it.
It's the weekend, and being the "fool" and "first class ass" that I am, I tend to not be as involved with the news as I normally do during the week.

Anyway, I'm aware that the US has done more than most to support Israel. I just question whether it's been enough.

I'm glad to see Obama's stance.
Apparently Britian and France are supporting him as well.


BTW Yeahwho, way to completely hijack the thread. You choose to completely ignore one of the best speeches of the past decade and focus on a throw-away comment that marginally criticized Obama.
God forbid someone criticize "The One" in the slightest.

Easily one of the greatest speeches of the past decade.
And probably one of the greatest ever given by an Israeli leader.
Somebody has to call Iran out.
If our President is unwilling to do it, then somebody has to.

So apparently when someone asks if you know what is happening in your own Country by your own President they should be prepared to realize the answer is "No".

I would not consider a question posed by you being answered directly on topic by me as off topic nor a hijack. Somebody has to call Iran out.
If our President is unwilling to do it, then somebody has to.
(http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=1699096&postcount=2)


It is completely on topic.

RobMoney$
09-27-2009, 08:01 PM
Do you have anything further to add in regards to the speech?

yeahwho
09-27-2009, 11:31 PM
Do you have anything further to add in regards to the speech?
Sure, Benjamin Netanyahu concluded his remarks by citing Winston Churchill, and his warnings about mounting threats in the run-up to World War II, and then said: "The question facing the international community is whether it is prepared to confront these forces or just accommodate them," he said.

Will obviously President Obama confronted Ahmadinejad and the Iranian delegation. Not on Netanyahu's terms or Ahmadinejad's terms, on the United States terms.

travesty
09-28-2009, 08:25 AM
The whole deal is pretty scary. The gun toting Libertarian in me says to let the Israelies fuck that asshole (ahmedenijad) up, and they would. But the Upstate NY raised peace loving hippie in me knows that is obviously not a good idea for the Middle East region as a whole. Calamity would certainly ensue.

I think that Hillary is going to diplomatically climb up in that idiot's shit so far that he is going to wish he never started this whole deal. I would not want that woman focusing a large portion of her time on me! Ask Bill how it's been at home since the Monica ordeal. Did you see the bags under that guy's eyes on Meet the Press Sunday? That woman has worn his ass out!!!

Kind of weird realizing that I like Hillary as Sec. of State so much. I think that's a great gig for her.

kaiser soze
09-28-2009, 08:34 AM
The UN dropped the ball with the Palestinians as well as well as many many other nations.

Looks like both sides are responsible for reprehensible behavior towards humanity and should be held accountable for such actions.

roosta
09-28-2009, 03:31 PM
it'd be cool if he had of mentioned all the illegal settlements, and the brutal bombing of innocent people by a vastly superior military force.

oh well.

yeahwho
09-28-2009, 06:14 PM
it'd be cool if he had of mentioned all the illegal settlements, and the brutal bombing of innocent people by a vastly superior military force.

oh well.


Accepting some form of accountability makes for not quite as much of a badass sounding speech. The speech reminded me an awful lot of George W. Bush and his style diplomacy.

WTF ever, I'm not impressed by any of these asshats' finger pointing or belly aching. Defending your Country by tough talk and apocalyptic style jargon in the nuclear age is fucking insane.

I'm happy our President is not buying into the heated rhetoric. We have enough blood on our hands already.

RobMoney$
09-28-2009, 06:31 PM
Defending your Country by tough talk and apocalyptic style jargon in the nuclear age is fucking insane.

I'm happy our President is not buying into the heated rhetoric. We have enough blood on our hands already.


"Iran is on notice that when we meet with them on Oct. 1 they are going to have to come clean and they are going to have to make a choice" between international isolation and giving up any aspirations to becoming a nuclear power, he said. If they refuse to give ground, they will stay on "a path that is going to lead to confrontation." - B. Obama, Sept. 25 2009


LOfuckingL
Sounds pretty heated to me.

rirv
09-28-2009, 06:44 PM
I think what the world really needs is an American president who aggressively pursues foreign policy against Middle Eastern nations based on speculation on their capability of deploying weapons of mass destruction. It's the kind of thing the world has missed over the past ten years. If that's what the USA did they would be far more popular the whole world over. If the president could speak more like a cowboy that would be even better.

RobMoney$
09-28-2009, 07:16 PM
If that's what the USA did they would be far more popular the whole world over.


Personally, I'm sick of hearing about how popular or unpopular we are with the rest of the world.
This isn't some High School popularity contest.

If preventing Ahmadinejad and his supporters in Iran from gaining access to Nuclear weapons somehow pisses off "the global community", then so be it.

yeahwho
09-28-2009, 07:29 PM
"Iran is on notice that when we meet with them on Oct. 1 they are going to have to come clean and they are going to have to make a choice" between international isolation and giving up any aspirations to becoming a nuclear power, he said. If they refuse to give ground, they will stay on "a path that is going to lead to confrontation." - B. Obama, Sept. 25 2009


LOfuckingL
Sounds pretty heated to me.

If you reread what I posted (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=1699375&postcount=24) perhaps you'll understand how to respond. I'm not all that excited about Obama, you seem to think I have some sort of love affair with him, but I'm not so full of rage I cannot even comprehend what is happening. You seem to be so pissed at Obama that even the mention of him sets you off.

travesty
09-28-2009, 08:40 PM
WTF ever, I'm not impressed by any of these asshats' finger pointing or belly aching. Defending your Country by tough talk and apocalyptic style jargon in the nuclear age is fucking insane.


Well said (y)(y)

RobMoney$
09-28-2009, 09:23 PM
If you reread what I posted (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=1699375&postcount=24) perhaps you'll understand how to respond. I'm not all that excited about Obama, you seem to think I have some sort of love affair with him, but I'm not so full of rage I cannot even comprehend what is happening. You seem to be so pissed at Obama that even the mention of him sets you off.


I don't need to reread what you posted, I quoted it.
I know exactly how to respond.
And I'd appreciate it if we could drop the condescending thing too.

And the reason I think you have a love-affair with Obama is because you defend him like some adolescent jealous boyfriend at the slightest criticism anyone makes of him.
I'm sorry I made that remark about Obama's inaction because it wasn't entirely a criticism of Obama, but more a criticism of the entire world turning a deaf ear to Iran for far too long.
I didn't intend on turning this into a discussion about Obama, it was supposed to be about Netanyahu's speech.

yeahwho
09-28-2009, 11:39 PM
I don't need to reread what you posted, I quoted it.
I know exactly how to respond.
And I'd appreciate it if we could drop the condescending thing too.

And the reason I think you have a love-affair with Obama is because you defend him like some adolescent jealous boyfriend at the slightest criticism anyone makes of him.
I'm sorry I made that remark about Obama's inaction because it wasn't entirely a criticism of Obama, but more a criticism of the entire world turning a deaf ear to Iran for far too long.
I didn't intend on turning this into a discussion about Obama, it was supposed to be about Netanyahu's speech.


Netanyahu's speech wasn't that good. The United Nations isn't that good and the wholesale farce of hatred being sold to us currently is an insult to the human race. Fuck these guys. His solution is to tough talk and bring up past atrocities as if we as a civilization cannot move on is asinine.

Just my opinion.

PS Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama.

RobMoney$
09-28-2009, 11:47 PM
That's fine if you disagree or find a reason for pause from something he said.
At least were talking about the issue at hand (y)

rirv
09-29-2009, 03:31 AM
Personally, I'm sick of hearing about how popular or unpopular we are with the rest of the world.
This isn't some High School popularity contest.

If preventing Ahmadinejad and his supporters in Iran from gaining access to Nuclear weapons somehow pisses off "the global community", then so be it.

No, it's a lot more serious than a high school popularity contest with real people's lives at stake. No WMD were found in Iraq, yet that was the reason the country was invaded. Yes, Saddam was a bad man, but simple regime change was not the original reason for going to war. If getting rid of evil leaders the world over was the policy to persue then troops should be rattling through Zimbabwe and North Korea as their people are suffering more greatly than anyone due to their leaders.

In matters of international policy, the involvement of the international community is important. You can keep your privatised healthcare and guns, that doesn't affect the rest of the world, we just have a little chuckle about it. You started this thread with a speech which criticised the United Nations and other member nations for not adhereing to the principles of the organisation. Well unilateral action against another UN member state without the support of the council is right up there.

RobMoney$
09-29-2009, 05:54 AM
If the impotent sanctions against Iran are any indication of the power the UN weilds, then I say again I could care less about what their opinion or "the international community's" opinion is of the US.

Eradicating people like Ahmadinejad from this world is what the "international community" needs above anything else.

kaiser soze
09-29-2009, 08:23 AM
You mean eradicating the people of Iran.

rirv's right - there are many other assholes who have been ignored for so long - were talking genocides, military coups, facists, totalitarians, and short guys

so why is that?

I bet Al Qaeda is just waiting for Ahmadinejad to be removed so they can get a strangle hold on Iran as well. If you haven't been paying attention Iraq and Afghanistan are quite the quagmire. Not to mention the tremendous stress those conflicts have placed on our country and our allies.

1 war at a time - stop being so tough

travesty
09-29-2009, 09:22 AM
You mean eradicating the people of Iran.

1 war at a time - stop being so tough

How about no wars at a time?

Except for taking out short guys....that I can live with. Little sawed off, Napolean complex mutha f'ers.

RobMoney$
09-29-2009, 06:45 PM
1 war at a time - stop being so tough


all the while, he keeps enriching Uranium.

yeahwho
09-29-2009, 07:10 PM
They got little hands
Little eyes
They walk around
Tellin' great big lies
They got little noses
And tiny little teeth
They wear platform shoes
On their nasty little feet

Short people got no reason

yeahwho
09-29-2009, 08:44 PM
all the while, he keeps enriching Uranium.
And all the while China and Russia make concessions to Iranian sanctions imposed. It's a cycle of uncooperative greed and power. The predictability of the United States talking tough while other World powers compromise is tired.

Benjamin Netanyahu is in a lonely place, we (the USA) can talk tough but in reality all we can actually afford to do is sympathize. Israel cannot afford to go it alone, they need Western support. The only solutions they've ever been able to encapsulate on an international level are tough talk, threats of force and actual bombing. The results have been dismal. That is why we are at this point in history today. Co-existence never enters the equation.

My opinion and my opinion only.

Documad
09-29-2009, 11:18 PM
They got little hands
Little eyes
They walk around
Tellin' great big lies
They got little noses
And tiny little teeth
They wear platform shoes
On their nasty little feet

Short people got no reason

You're an odd duck. Why did you do that one instead of Political Science? I'm feeling rather thick tonight.

(Coincidentally, I listened to Sail Away a couple of times last weekend.)

yeahwho
09-30-2009, 09:08 AM
You're an odd duck. Why did you do that one instead of Political Science? I'm feeling rather thick tonight.

(Coincidentally, I listened to Sail Away a couple of times last weekend.)

I must preface my responses, I am an odd duck but the reply was aimed at travesty.


How about no wars at a time?

Except for taking out short guys....that I can live with. Little sawed off, Napolean complex mutha f'ers.


They got little hands
Little eyes
They walk around
Tellin' great big lies
They got little noses
And tiny little teeth
They wear platform shoes
On their nasty little feet

Short people got no reason