Fate

[Dorothy Wood]

How much do you believe in fate? if at all?

I can't really decide.

[rirv]

I think you definitely make your own decisions and can influence a lot, anything else that happens is just coincidence.

[Adam]

I am willing to bet women believe in fate more than men

And it also depends on the event. Its fate that most will fall in love and find a life partner and there is something that'll connect that couple. Its fate that we'll all die at some point. It totally depends on the scenario.

But if you mean fate as in things are inevitable and what is gonna happen will happen and can't be change as much as you mess with the variables - then time travel is more possible which is kinda exciting.

[Guy Incognito]

i believe that fate can put you in some situations but its up to you (and maybe others) how that turns out.

example: when i met my future wife i was fairly sure she liked me but i had no designs on her really, i had only met her twice before i wouldnt have had the balls to make a move. so there was a christmas party and she offered to give me a lift there. she picked me up and when she turned the car round, hit a kerb and damaged her rear wheel and we didnt have the thing to unlock wheel nuts so had to wait 4 hours on xmas eve for RAC man to turn up and we talked loads and really hit it off and it all snowballed from there.

Now i'm not gonna put that down solely to fate cos she obviously liked me enough to offer me a lift but she could have taken me to that party and i could have hardly spoken to her and failed dismally with another girl i had my eye on.

the answer is i dont know but i'm not it ruling out.

[Caribou]

Fate = bullshit, imo.

You make your own life. If you want something, make it happen. If it doesn't work out, try something else. If you don't try, fuck all will happen.

[Guy Incognito]

Fate = bullshit, imo.

You make your own life. If you want something, make it happen. If it doesn't work out, try something else. If you don't try, fuck all will happen.

but sometimes you dont know you want something until it slaps you in the face and you start thinking about it in a different light

[checkyourprez]

I think you definitely make your own decisions and can influence a lot, anything else that happens is just coincidence.

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[hpdrifter]

I have kind of the same perspective as it relates to love, though I'm not sure I'd call it fate.

All three of the people I've been in love with in my life and had long term relationships with, I wasn't at all interested at first. But with each of them a moment happened and it was like lightening struck and all of a sudden I was in love.

Maybe not fate, maybe cupid?

[Caribou]

but sometimes you dont know you want something until it slaps you in the face and you start thinking about it in a different light

True, but I wouldn't call that fate. Subconciously it would already be in your brain that you want a certain something, but you just have to realise it. If something happens which is associated to the thing you want, your brain will make a link and you think 'heeey, wait a minute...! (lb)'
That's not fate, that's coincidences triggering stuff in your brain.

[nodanaonlyzuul]

i believe that fate can put you in some situations but its up to you (and maybe others) how that turns out.


I think if anything I'd agree with this. I don't know. I'm always the type to avoid believing in sappy-related things.

But considering the really ridiculous, emotionally draining places that both my boyfriend and I went through up until the point we happened to meet each other does make us both wonder. Well, I wonder anyway. He said us meeting has definitely made him believe in fate. I wouldn't say 'definitely' but I'm happy regardless.

[Freebasser]

I went to a Village Fete once.

That's about all I have to say.

[Bob]

i believe in luck more than fate. like, you're running late for work because your alarm didn't go off, and you get on a train, you meet a woman, you fall in love, you get married - luck put the two of you together on that train but you're the one that married her (well, and she married you too i guess)

[Guy Incognito]

True, but I wouldn't call that fate. Subconciously it would already be in your brain that you want a certain something, but you just have to realise it. If something happens which is associated to the thing you want, your brain will make a link and you think 'heeey, wait a minute...! (lb)'
That's not fate, that's coincidences triggering stuff in your brain.

hmmm, i'm not sure, i still think there is still something that we cant control that put us in situations. i dont think its the whole answer to it all though, a large part is up to the individuals involved

nice light topic for a monday night Dorothy:rolleyes::)(y)

[Guy Incognito]

i believe in luck more than fate. like, you're running late for work because your alarm didn't go off, and you get on a train, you meet a woman, you fall in love, you get married - luck put the two of you together on that train but you're the one that married her (well, and she married you too i guess)

maybe but if that woman also got delayed somehow and maybe the train was late for another reason means that a lot of lucky factors were involved and thats fate, to me anyways. where its a number of things, you can say its coincidence if you like but a lot of stuff happening with an end result is fate to me.
i really am not sure what i am talking about now.

[Adam]

i believe in luck more than fate. like, you're running late for work because your alarm didn't go off, and you get on a train, you meet a woman, you fall in love, you get married - luck put the two of you together on that train but you're the one that married her (well, and she married you too i guess)

is that a film?

[Bob]

maybe but if that woman also got delayed somehow and maybe the train was late for another reason means that a lot of lucky factors were involved and thats fate, to me anyways. where its a number of things, you can say its coincidence if you like but a lot of stuff happening with an end result is fate to me.
i really am not sure what i am talking about now.

that's pretty much what "fate" is as far as i'm concerned - it's just the way things come together, based on the simultaneous occurrence of any number of factors, some of which you control, and some of which you don't. luck is the part where you either like the way things come together or you don't

[rirv]

So, basically what I said: coincidence.

[Guy Incognito]

So, basically what I said: coincidence.

i did infer that it could be construed as that but its when there are a lot of these things happening that result in an event happening, one coincidence , yes you can count as a coincidence but a number of them , i'm not so sure

[Dorothy Wood]

yeah, I agree about coincidence, but I guess it's nice to think about the universe having a plan. this is perhaps why people like religion so much.

romantically, I've fallen prey to making more out of coincidences than I should. I've learned that it's more about intent though. I mean, the young guy I went out with liked an obscure playwright that I liked, so I thought that meant something. but then I was poking around looking at my boyf's book collection and he had a book of that guy's plays too. so maybe the people I'm attracted to just happen to like that kind of stuff and it doesn't mean anything at all.

however, in my current situation, I find myself just kind of staring at my man and thinking he looks exactly like the man I envisioned myself with when I was a teenager (although he has less hair on his head, ha). and I think it's funny how I had feelings of attraction and interest as soon as I laid eyes on this man, but had no idea that we'd get along so well. I waited 2 years to say something, and for whatever reason, it ended up being perfect timing. and I believe that we gravitated to each other at a point in our lives when we were just starting to feel like ourselves.

so maybe that's just coincidence too? or maybe it's FATE. dun dun dun!

additionally, I used to dream about this guy all the time. it's like he was at the back of my mind always, but involuntarily. kinda strange, no?


bleh, my friends are starting to get into psychic stuff and astrology for fun, and it's rubbing off on me a little. damn hippies.

[BBboy20]

Defy it.

[camo]

Everyone's fate stories are always intertwined with love. I think love is a random enough occurrence to at least throw in a situation that could be seen as fate but as a concept on it's own I believe it to be a load of bollocks.

[Dorothy Wood]

well, I only thought of fate in the romantic sense because my friends have thrown around phrases like, "I guess the universe was just keeping you apart for a reason".

I think of fate in a friendship/career sense too though. It's just not as fun to talk about.

I dunno, everything builds on everything else, it's down to choice in most cases. Even when my friend was doing our tarot readings, she was saying it's more about how you feel and interpret things rather than things magically happening to you.

dude is an air sign though, and he got a ton of sword cards which they said is common to air signs! omg! and then I got the "queen of swords". so I'm like the queen of his sword. :cool:

[Bob]

I froze your tears, and made a dagger
And stabbed it in my cock, forever
It stays there like Excalibur
Are you my Arthur?
Say you are.
Take this cool dark steeled blade
Steal it, sheathe it in your lake
I’d drown with you to be together
Must you breath? ‘Cause I need heaven.

[Freebasser]

And stabbed it in my cock, forever


Ahahah, I love the way he says cock when he's reading that.

[Dorothy Wood]

I froze your tears, and made a dagger
And stabbed it in my cock, forever
It stays there like Excalibur
Are you my Arthur?
Say you are.
Take this cool dark steeled blade
Steal it, sheathe it in your lake
I’d drown with you to be together
Must you breath? ‘Cause I need heaven.

is that from Sarah Palin's resignation speech?

[paul jones]

I went to a Village Fete once.

That's about all I have to say.

oooh did they have a coconut shy or homemade jam on sale?

[Bob]

is that from Sarah Palin's resignation speech?

did you get the double meanings?

[Pres Zount]

I dressed as a wizard for a school fete in 1991.


There's no such thing as fate you twits.

[checkyourprez]

i did infer that it could be construed as that but its when there are a lot of these things happening that result in an event happening, one coincidence , yes you can count as a coincidence but a number of them , i'm not so sure

nah just coincidence and random luck.


its like how many times does some scenario like bobs one happen, but she ends up being some fat chick. and you dont even think about dating her and then marrying her. everything in life is some set or circumstances where it can be construed as fate. for whatever reason someone moved to your city, and you just happened to be on that bus, and you just happened to be there at the same time, bla bla bla. if you went to some other city eventually something like that would happen to you there. there would be a different random bus and a different random girl. think about the small amount of woman or men you actually met in your life compared to those in the world, people can fall in love with many people, they just never met.

humans have a tendency to make randomness special by calling it fate. if everyone on the board moved to some other city, im sure a good portion would fall in love with someone they would have never imagined they would meet let alone marry. but it would happen, and omg it would be fate! errr no, just random life.

[DipDipDive]

I like to think that things will always end up how they're meant to be. I guess that means I believe in fate, but I don't rely on it as a means of avoiding making rational and logical decisions.

[Guy Incognito]

nah just coincidence and random luck.


its like how many times does some scenario like bobs one happen, but she ends up being some fat chick. and you dont even think about dating her and then marrying her. everything in life is some set or circumstances where it can be construed as fate. for whatever reason someone moved to your city, and you just happened to be on that bus, and you just happened to be there at the same time, bla bla bla. if you went to some other city eventually something like that would happen to you there. there would be a different random bus and a different random girl. think about the small amount of woman or men you actually met in your life compared to those in the world, people can fall in love with many people, they just never met.

humans have a tendency to make randomness special by calling it fate. if everyone on the board moved to some other city, im sure a good portion would fall in love with someone they would have never imagined they would meet let alone marry. but it would happen, and omg it would be fate! errr no, just random life.

i wouldnt go out of my way to avoid situations but i think i have been conscious about tempting fate before and i think that everyone has done that at some point or other. e.g someone who keeps referring to "fat chicks" may get completely humiliated by a larger lady at some point:p. And while we are on the subject,(as with all things in life) dont knock till you have tried it.

i understand what you are saying and it is about how you read signs etc but i think having a belief in fate can give someone impoteus and a sense of purpose (sometimes misguided i suppose)

[checkyourprez]

i wouldnt go out of my way to avoid situations but i think i have been conscious about tempting fate before and i think that everyone has done that at some point or other. e.g someone who keeps referring to "fat chicks" may get completely humiliated by a larger lady at some point:p. And while we are on the subject,(as with all things in life) dont knock till you have tried it.

i understand what you are saying and it is about how you read signs etc but i think having a belief in fate can give someone impoteus and a sense of purpose (sometimes misguided i suppose)

in a different scenario im sure there was someone who didnt get on a sept.11 flight that crashed for whatever reason. and that person claimed it as fate that they lived.

but then on the flip side of the coin, i bet there was someone who did for whatever reason just make their flight. is that fate too then?

[Pres Zount]

I suppose you all believe in god too, right?

[MC Moot]

example: when i met my future wife i was fairly sure she liked me but i had no designs on her really, i had only met her twice before i wouldnt have had the balls to make a move. .

*pictures Guy hovering over blueprints from ACME,of some dame,like Wile E. Coyote*

[Waus]

I'm a compatibilist.

I believe that some events are set, but only a few that form an overall structure. Within the structure things are determined by agent causation. Those agents are influenced by natural order consequences and outside factors.

[fucktopgirl]

^yeah, something like this.

I think you have to make decision, choice and take actions but also, life is well made. Stuff happens for reason, i don't think there is such things as coincidences but then again, it all depend how your interpret it or how you take the opportunity that present itself in your life. The will of a human is very strong, more then we think .

So luck, coincidence, fate, is all matter of interpretation, whatever rock your boat. I personally like to believe that willpower+actions+life circumstance = success in whatever you want to.

And willpower is similar to fate, if you don't believe in anything , nothing will happen. You have to create a desire, dream, and have faith in it , then take actions then life will give you the proper ''terrain'' for your endeavor to realize.

Everything is interconnected in some way, that for sure.

[Guy Incognito]

but then on the flip side of the coin, i bet there was someone who did for whatever reason just make their flight. is that fate too then?

yeah, possibly. I dont think fate is just good things

[Helvete]

I don't believe in fate at all, to believe in fate would suggest belief of some sort of intelligent force or plan for everything.

Although I seem to be pretty damn lucky ALL the time but I guess that's just me.

[Guy Incognito]

*pictures Guy hovering over blueprints from ACME,of some dame,like Wile E. Coyote*

mooty, i mean this in a nice way but you are one strange cat. can i have some of what your'e smoking

[paul jones]

actually fate is a bit true because I wanted to go to a gig in London tonight by a band called Sparrow and the workshop but I took my dad for a check up at the hospital and we waited 2 hours so that really put me off going when I had wanted to leave so I'm just going down the pub now where I could meet a rich woman who wants to seduce me and shower me with money and helicopters and ferraris

[Adam]

shower me with money and helicopters and ferraris

ouch.

like a GTA cheat mode?

[MC Moot]

mooty, i mean this in a nice way but you are one strange cat. can i have some of what your'e smoking

I'm strange?...seems to me you were the one looking for a mail order robot bride,man...

*passes the dutchie on the left hand side*

[Caribou]

And willpower is similar to fate, if you don't believe in anything , nothing will happen. You have to create a desire, dream, and have faith in it , then take actions then life will give you the proper ''terrain'' for your endeavor to realize.


Isn't that 'The secret'? :s

[Waus]

I don't believe in fate at all, to believe in fate would suggest belief of some sort of intelligent force or plan for everything.


Or "fate" is just another word for determinism. That is, if what we do is simply down to neurobiology and that is just one more of the infinite processes that act based on the laws of nature, we don't really have any will to speak of. Our decisions may not be foretold by some intelligent force or plan, but they may be foretold by natural order.

[Randetica]

i hope all the people who treated me like shit will smash their own heads in (y)

[Guy Incognito]

Or "fate" is just another word for determinism. That is, if what we do is simply down to neurobiology and that is just one more of the infinite processes that act based on the laws of nature, we don't really have any will to speak of. Our decisions may not be foretold by some intelligent force or plan, but they may be foretold by natural order.

you seem to know what you are talking about here. i dont. but itsnt the above a bit like the principles of chaos theory. or my basic understanding of it anyways. like certain things happen which causes other stuff. again, i am sturggling to describe what the fuck i am talking about.

[Kid Presentable]

This is a good read. (http://www.amazon.com/Am-That-Talks-Sri-Nisargadatta/dp/0893860220)

[fucktopgirl]

Isn't that 'The secret'? :s

EUh no,it my understand of how things works.

[Waus]

you seem to know what you are talking about here. i dont. but itsnt the above a bit like the principles of chaos theory. or my basic understanding of it anyways. like certain things happen which causes other stuff. again, i am sturggling to describe what the fuck i am talking about.

I'm not sure what you're saying here.

Um, chaos theory and quantum physics both seem to suggest (depending on what theory you subscribe to) that there may be an unpredictably random element to the most basic building blocks of the material world. With that line of thought, they propose that there may also be a random controlling factor behind the decisions we make. If that is the case, there still isn't free will, but determinism isn't true in the strictest sense.

I listened to one of those "The Teaching Company" series on 'Free Will and Determinism.' I've kind of taken up philosophy and theology (well, trying to understand those things) as a hobby.

[paul jones]

ouch.

like a GTA cheat mode?

yeah + tits and vaginas

[Guy Incognito]

I'm not sure what you're saying here.

Um, chaos theory and quantum physics both seem to suggest (depending on what theory you subscribe to) that there may be an unpredictably random element to the most basic building blocks of the material world. With that line of thought, they propose that there may also be a random controlling factor behind the decisions we make. If that is the case, there still isn't free will, but determinism isn't true in the strictest sense.

I listened to one of those "The Teaching Company" series on 'Free Will and Determinism.' I've kind of taken up philosophy and theology (well, trying to understand those things) as a hobby.

i just meant that, to use bobs example, those two people who meet on the train cos they were late because of other factors. my thoughts are that this happened due to a long list of random events, possibly in other places and times.
I think the lesson here is that i need to read more!:o