Pink Floyd

[rirv]

I think a thorough discussion on Pink Floyd is needed.

Piper at the Gates of Dawn is pure, unmitigated bollocks. Absolutely appalling and unlistenable drivel. With Meddle they start to get the right idea - especially on "Echoes", though the rest of the songs can be a bit shite. I've never been able to get into Dark Side of the Moon - meh. Same with The Wall - it's all a bit bollocks really. Wish You Were Here is perfect. Animals is almost as good. In conclusion my favourite Pink Floyd albums are Animals and Wish You Were Here.

Still not sure why old men wet their pants over them. They're good to listen to when working.

[saz]

piper is nearly perfect, a true and heavier dose of psychedelia than sgt. peppers. despite not having a vocal range nor the playing abilities of gilmour, both waters and gilmour rate barrett on an equal par with dylan, lennon and mccartney.

their best years were from '66 through '77, just right up to the point when rogers became a megalomaniacal dictator ass who turned the floyd into the roger waters solo act, and took every single song credit for himself, while berating, bullying, ridiculing and destroying the confidence of richard wright and nick mason. wright eventually told him to fuck off, as did gilmour.

anyways, they reached their creative peak with live at pompeii, which documents not only their creative peak but their cohesion and unity as a 'band of brothers', which was lost by the recording of wish you were here, and their classic live set which any album before or since failed to capture them at their best.

their last two good albums with the classic line up, wish you were here and animals, are tainted by roger waters shitty, shitty voice and cheesy and dated sound effects. and pigs three different ones is the worst and stupidest song ever by any group. but they're good albums. the wall has a few gems here and there, but otherwise it's just more of waters' horrible voice, loads of bloated orchestral arrangements, and cheesy production.

live at pompeii, more, obscured by clouds, saucerful of secrets, meddle, piper, dark side, wish you were here, and ummagumma live. and yes, even the division bell, which ended with the floyd story with high hopes, featuring one of gilmour's finest solos.

live at pompeii. i can't stress this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syLqDPEurqo) enough.

[jabumbo]

i always listen to animals when i am in sort of a sour mood and need to forget about it. it is definitely one of my favorites.

i enjoy piper at the gates of dawn more on a song to song basis, but i think meddle is better as an entire album.

i don't hate dark side of the moon, but it certainly isn't my favorite album of theirs. it definitely has the most singles, which is probably why it gets such acclaim since the radio will actually play those tunes.


while animals is my favorite album, i have to say that shine on you crazy diamond is by far my favorite floyd song

[saz]

yeah, animals is gloomy and dogs especially evokes melancholy, a great album for this time of year when the weather is shit and will only get worse.

i've got loads of their boots and other live stuff, i'll upload if you guys want.

[mickill]

I listen to Animals and Wish You Were Here the most. Overall, I think Dark Side is technically better than Animals, though.

Personally, I have to disagree with the comment about Pigs being the worst and stupidest song by any group ever, because I think it's awesome. Not to mention that the worst and stupidest song by any group ever would probably come from the Creed catalog, anyway.

I can't really get into Pipers. The Wall has a few worthwhile moments, but it's hard to listen to. Meddle is excellent. I also have slight soft spot for Momentary Lapse of Reason for some reason. Don't ask.

Wish You Were Here is easily the strongest overall.

[paul jones]

I like Piper At The Gates of Dawn and the early singles Arnold Layne and See Emily Play.

I haven't heard Animals or Wish You were Here,except the title track.

I have Ummagumma on cassette.

I tried watching the film The Wall once but it was utter shite(y)

[YoungRemy]

Atom Heart Mother began to see the themes and directions the band was headed in, as well...

I got to see the '94 tour where they played Dark Side in its entirety every night and it was still a solid lineup with Dave as the frontman...

i'd put meddle, animals, and wish you were here as my top 3, followed by Dark Side and the Wall

i rarely just pop in ummagumma and listen to it on a whim...

[saz]

crap i forgot atom heart mother. the title track, if and fat old sun are brilliant, and atom heart mother is incredible live when they played it back in the day.

i think the gilmour led floyd got off to a weak start with a momentary lapse, but they returned in triumph with the division bell, full of accolades and imagery regarding the floyd story, barrett and waters. that tour was epic, and even the momentary tour too. the live releases and especially pulse (http://www.amazon.ca/Pink-Floyd-Pulse-Live-1994/dp/B000BTC5LW) are amazing.

you guys should check on an island and especially the remember that night live double dvd (http://www.davidgilmour.com/dvd.htm) and live in gdansk (http://www.davidgilmour.com/gdansk/index.html) dvds. it's wright and gilmour on one last tour together, who essentially were the floyd as musical writing brothers in arms.

[Guy Incognito]

i like meddle a lot. fearless is a great track despite having scousers singing their tune at the end
i have only dabbled with best ofs and bits of albums but i like more than i dislike. dark side of the moon is great. i suppose i should investigate some more.
i imagine really old blokes like it because when it came out, i doubt there was much to compare it to.

[yeahwho]

I saw them live up in Vancouver BC a few years ago and absolutely hated the show, it was in a giant arena they had floating pigs and lasers with fireworks and a super loud sound system.

hated it could not wait for the show to end so I could go out and party in BC.

I think it was probably because they were way past their prime, I saw that Page/Plant tour around the same time and I hated it. For altogether different reasons.

On record though I think Dark Side of the Moon is perhaps the finest concept album released to date, simply brilliant. Love the song Fearless and half of the Wish You were Here album is Great.

The live show bummed me out though.

[YoungRemy]

I saw them live up in Vancouver BC a few years ago and absolutely hated the show, it was in a giant arena they had floating pigs and lasers with fireworks and a super loud sound system.

hated it could not wait for the show to end so I could go out and party in BC.

I think it was probably because they were way past their prime, I saw that Page/Plant tour around the same time and I hated it. For altogether different reasons.

On record though I think Dark Side of the Moon is perhaps the finest concept album released to date, simply brilliant. Love the song Fearless and half of the Wish You were Here album is Great.

The live show bummed me out though.


wow. so you saw the Division Bell tour and were not impressed?

I don't see how a superloud sound system and a laser light show could bring down the experience of a live Floyd show, with Dark Side Of The Moon being played in its entirety.

the night I saw the show (April 5th, 1994) the skies opened up and it started raining during Wish You were Here.

once they started Dark Side it was pouring pretty good and they did an extended version of "Money" while the crew was fixing the stage from getting flooded... they kept playing and it was an awesome experience, from the giant displays to the old hippies in the crowd...

saw the same Page/Plant tour you did as well (No Quarter) and had an amazing time at that one too...

for me it's about soaking up the nostagia

[yeahwho]

wow. so you saw the Division Bell tour and were not impressed?

I don't see how a superloud sound system and a laser light show could bring down the experience of a live Floyd show, with Dark Side Of The Moon being played in its entirety.

the night I saw the show (April 5th, 1994) the skies opened up and it started raining during Wish You were Here.

once they started Dark Side it was pouring pretty good and they did an extended version of "Money" while the crew was fixing the stage from getting flooded... they kept playing and it was an awesome experience, from the giant displays to the old hippies in the crowd...

saw the same Page/Plant tour you did as well (No Quarter) and had an amazing time at that one too...

for me it's about soaking up the nostagia

I know, I suck.

* should note i was very inebriated during this period of my life

[Laserface]

I listen to Animals and Wish You Were Here the most. Overall, I think Dark Side is technically better than Animals, though.

Personally, I have to disagree with the comment about Pigs being the worst and stupidest song by any group ever, because I think it's awesome. Not to mention that the worst and stupidest song by any group ever would probably come from the Creed catalog, anyway.

I can't really get into Pipers. The Wall has a few worthwhile moments, but it's hard to listen to. Meddle is excellent. I also have slight soft spot for Momentary Lapse of Reason for some reason. Don't ask.

Wish You Were Here is easily the strongest overall.

as always, i agree with everything you said. except i think i like dark side of the moon the best.

animals is great.

[yeahwho]

I really like Ummagumma and Atom Heart Mother, but the last time this board discussed this band someone shot a volley of bullshit my way calling me a phony or elitist or some shit for even mentioning those albums. That was weird, I mean for fucks sake I do know quite a bit about Pink Floyd and high quality hash.

[saz]

i have only dabbled with best ofs and bits of albums but i like more than i dislike. dark side of the moon is great. i suppose i should investigate some more.

rent or buy the live at pompeii film, it's the best place to start. it's mindblowing, changed my life. it should be released as a proper album.

parts 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z73kbP3yrI0&feature=related), 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9zJXPUZZ80&feature=related), 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--1RyUH1Z6s&feature=related), 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUh_W28kqKA&feature=related), 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAh1IejWoOE), and 6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz2tKntl1E)

[mickill]

as always, i agree with everything you said. except i think i like dark side of the moon the best. [I]

For me, I guess it comes down to Wish You Were Here being more of a fluid listen from start to finish than Dark Side. And the fact that Have A Cigar rules.

[RobMoney$]

Wasn't Dark Side on the top 100 album sales chart for like years?
I'm not saying that makes it the greatest album of all time, or even the greatest Floyd Album,

but it's incredible.


And I usually slap Meddle on the old turntable when I'm in the mood for some smokey-smoke.

[mickill]

The Bodyguard soundtrack and Bat Out Of Hell also top that list.

[Documad]

I disagree with almost everything saz said and agree with almost everything mickill said.

My connection with Pink Floyd is emotional rather than musical. I can't even have a musical discussion. Dark Side has a huge place in my heart because it's the first album I ever heard played on a stereo (my much older brother's fancy new stereo). I used to sneak in his room and listen when he was at work. The Wall is full of problems but I played the shit out of it when I was a teenager. I overplayed both of those albums so bad that I can barely listen them these days.

Lately, Meddle is my most often played LP. Wish You Were Here has been my favorite Pink Floyd album most of the time. Pigs is great. I don't care for the Syd Barrett stuff and I adore Roger Waters even though he's a total asshole. I own Division Bell but never listen to it. I have had nothing to do with Floyd after that.

[saz]

yeah that's great

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMpGdG27K9o&feature=related

[Documad]

The Bodyguard soundtrack and Bat Out Of Hell also top that list.

I doubt it. Those albums sold extremely well for a while, but they went out of fashion fast. Whitney appealed to all the people who buy one or two albums a year. Like what happened with Frampton Comes Alive and Rumours.

Dark Side had staying power. Dark Side had an extremely long period of medium popularity. A generation of teenagers bought that album each and every year for a dozen or more years. It was a rite of passage for suburban americans who were discovering music. You couldn't have a legitimate record collection without Dark Side. (You still can't.)

[Ty Webb]

black sabbath

[RobMoney$]

According to wiki:

The Dark Side of the Moon was an immediate success, topping the Billboard 200 for one week.
It subsequently remained on the charts for 741 weeks (fourteen years), the longest duration of any album in history.
With an estimated 45 million units sold, it is Pink Floyd's most commercially successful album and one of the best-selling albums worldwide.
It has twice been remastered and re-released, and has been covered by several other acts.
It spawned two singles, "Money" and "Us and Them".
In addition to its commercial success, The Dark Side of the Moon is one of Pink Floyd's most popular albums among fans and critics and is frequently ranked as one of the greatest rock albums of all-time.

[yeahwho]

Dark Side of the Moon is one of the most listened to (http://www.berghuis.co.nz/abiator/weird/ears.jpg), loved (http://sarabeth3283.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/hug.jpg), parodied (http://www.thesquirrels.com/poplust/newcd.htm) and even mystically revered (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICdx53kEANE&feature=related) albums of all time.

[mickill]

I doubt it. Those albums sold extremely well for a while, but they went out of fashion fast. Whitney appealed to all the people who buy one or two albums a year. Like what happened with Frampton Comes Alive and Rumours.

Dark Side had staying power. Dark Side had an extremely long period of medium popularity. A generation of teenagers bought that album each and every year for a dozen or more years. It was a rite of passage for suburban americans who were discovering music. You couldn't have a legitimate record collection without Dark Side. (You still can't.)

According to this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_albums_worldwide) wiki article (first thing I clicked on - I'm sure there are better sources), Bat Out Of Hell has actually sold the same amount of records worldwide as Dark Side (43 million), while The Bodyguard has sold a paltry 42 million. I'm not suggesting that either album accrued those totals at the same pace as Dark Side, but somebody has to still be buying that crap.

Side note: My copy of the Dark Side lp has the original stickers and posters still intact. My collection is not only legitimate (and life-spanning), but I've graduated to the level of people around me wanting to have serious talks and/or mini interventions with me about my obsession with records.

[yeahwho]

I think you may have a valid point, I just cued up Bat Out of Hell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBZDTK9Yhko) @ the :18 second mark and then turned the volume down on this puppy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICdx53kEANE&feature=related)... and started it at the beginning...

anyway I shit you not it works remarkably well.... when Meatloaf sings,

I'm gonna hit the highway like a battering ram
On a silver black phantom bike

Toto jumps off the bike and runs down the dirt road.

[Documad]

According to this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_albums_worldwide) wiki article (first thing I clicked on - I'm sure there are better sources), Bat Out Of Hell has actually sold the same amount of records worldwide as Dark Side (43 million), while The Bodyguard has sold a paltry 42 million. I'm not suggesting that either album accrued those totals at the same pace as Dark Side, but somebody has to still be buying that crap.

Side note: My copy of the Dark Side lp has the original stickers and posters still intact. My collection is not only legitimate (and life-spanning), but I've graduated to the level of people around me wanting to have serious talks and/or mini interventions with me about my obsession with records.

Well, first of all, "worldwide" record sales don't mean shit. I only care about US culture. :D

Second, I completely agree with you, I'm just making a different point. Even if you look at only US record sales, there are those albums that sell a tremendous number of units over a short period of time (Shania Twain/Celine Dion/Backstreet Boys). While some of those albums are purchased by legitimate music fans (my snobby terminology) a bunch of them are purchased by people who only have a casual relationship with music. There used to be one or two albums a year that everyone bought for someone at Christmas. Probably not true in modern US culture. There are other albums that sell over a long period because successive groups of music fans buy them every year. I suspect that the Eagles Greatest Hits is sort of in that category, although I don't have that LP. I always hated the Eagles. I have Volume 2 though (the one with Life in the Fast Lane).

BTW, I have a large music collection that includes three copies of Dark Side (original LP, anniversary re-release LP and CD), but no copies of the Bodyguard or Bat out of Hell. If I saw Bat out of Hell in great condition for $1-2, I'd likely buy it though. I'm not really snobby.

That worldwide list is interesting. The list is heavily skewed to the fairly new. Is that because people worldwide bought more albums in the 90s and 00s or because we weren't properly tracking them earlier? Will really new albums not make the list because they haven't had time to sell enough copies or because everyone is stealing music instead of buying? It's awfully sad that many fantastic and popular albums of the 70s are not on that list while Backstreet Boys dominate.

There are worse things one could do than collect music. I have a problem right now though--I really need some new shelving that will fit in with my lifestyle but also support the weight of LPs.

[yeahwho]

Plus the acid test, who's going to listen to the Backstreet boys on acid?

[rirv]

Yeah, with these British bands it only counts what they sold in America.

[RobMoney$]

Who cares if The Bodyguard and Bat out of Hell sold 40 million units, or that the Backstreet Boys album sold as much in 2 years, and now no one would be caught dead with that album,...

It's the "remained on the top 200 albums sold chart for 14 years consecutively" that I was more focusing on, and is more impressive to me.

[Rip Round'n Roc]

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Dark Side of the Rainbow (also known as Dark Side of Oz or The Wizard of Floyd) refers to the pairing of the 1973 Pink Floyd music album The Dark Side of the Moon with the visual portion of the 1939 film The Wizard of Oz. This produces moments where the film and the album appear to correspond with each other. The title of the music video-like experience comes from a combination of the album title and the film's song "Over the Rainbow". It is also a reference to the rainbow from a prism design on the cover of the Pink Floyd album. Band members and others involved in making of the album state that any relationship between the two works of art is merely a coincidence.

[mickill]

Well, first of all, "worldwide" record sales don't mean shit. I only care about US culture. :D

Second, I completely agree with you, I'm just making a different point. Even if you look at only US record sales, there are those albums that sell a tremendous number of units over a short period of time (Shania Twain/Celine Dion/Backstreet Boys). While some of those albums are purchased by legitimate music fans (my snobby terminology) a bunch of them are purchased by people who only have a casual relationship with music. There used to be one or two albums a year that everyone bought for someone at Christmas. Probably not true in modern US culture. There are other albums that sell over a long period because successive groups of music fans buy them every year. I suspect that the Eagles Greatest Hits is sort of in that category, although I don't have that LP. I always hated the Eagles. I have Volume 2 though (the one with Life in the Fast Lane).

I suspect that he Eagle's Greatest Hits, Back In Black and Thriller were all slow builders. Well, not so much Thriller when it was selling a million copies a week, but later.
BTW, I have a large music collection that includes three copies of Dark Side (original LP, anniversary re-release LP and CD), but no copies of the Bodyguard or Bat out of Hell. If I saw Bat out of Hell in great condition for $1-2, I'd likely buy it though. I'm not really snobby.

I only have the re-release on CD, but I do have the original cassette if that counts for anything. Unfortunately, I can say the same for Bat Out Of Hell.

There are worse things one could do than collect music. I have a problem right now though--I really need some new shelving that will fit in with my lifestyle but also support the weight of LPs.

I've spent over a thousand dollars on music in the last 3 weeks, so I'm sure there are some valid concerns here. But I've cleared my online music store and ebay watch lists and am going to abstain from records shops for the next little while now. I'm currently trying to convince my wife to let me pick up another one of these (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nD6w7ieMg3w/SMBBoGYQcSI/AAAAAAAAAN8/-t-piMVtgNM/s400/expedit+bookcase.jpg), but she thinks they're ugly. I think they come in a half size, and they're very sturdy (no bending). Don't know if they'd suit your lifestyle.

[yeahwho]

I'm currently trying to convince my wife to let me pick up another one of these (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nD6w7ieMg3w/SMBBoGYQcSI/AAAAAAAAAN8/-t-piMVtgNM/s400/expedit+bookcase.jpg), but she thinks they're ugly. I think they come in a half size, and they're very sturdy (no bending). Don't know if they'd suit your lifestyle.

That shelving system sort of looks like the one from IKEA I have. I purchased one white and one black and combined the two to make a black & white system along with the CD towers they sell which I also combined B&W. Looks sick and wicked in my rec room, wall to wall music (with music DVD's). I took about 200 albums and hid them in garage though because they are just too valuable to have out. Funny thing is I haven't purchased more than 10 albums in the past two years. It's all come to a screeching halt. Broke.

But the value of the Albums seems to keep going up, especially the early rap and 60's releases.

If I'm ever in a secondhand store I always check the vinyl, but most all the employees know the score, they never hit the racks anymore. I used to know where every thrift store was from BC to Medford OR and made all travel plans accordingly.

[Audio.]

I have traveled through the Floyd Hole... Words can not describe.

[Documad]

I'm currently trying to convince my wife to let me pick up another one of these (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nD6w7ieMg3w/SMBBoGYQcSI/AAAAAAAAAN8/-t-piMVtgNM/s400/expedit+bookcase.jpg), but she thinks they're ugly. I think they come in a half size, and they're very sturdy (no bending). Don't know if they'd suit your lifestyle.

Do the shelves bow if they're full of LPs? I've been looking at something made of rolled metal because I'm worried that particle board won't bear the weight properly. Does it work because the shelf sections are short? I'd love an ikea option instead of the more spendy ones I'm looking at -- especially because I think I need two of them.

Yeahwho, if yours are from ikea, please answer the bowing question too.

[yeahwho]

ikea (http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/40047675), they also have a walnut, birch and black/brown style. I combined the white set with a black brown one, it's bitzness.


You can put a lot of albums on these shelves, books anything, they will not bow or bend. I've had mine for 4-5 years now, they are heavy duty.

[mickill]

Yeah, it's the Expedit shelf from Ikea. It's both a cheap and awesome solution. I've filled every section in the shelfs from end to end, without even the slightest sign of bending. I have a feeling they were probably designed specifically for this purpose, kinda like milk crates were.

That shelving system sort of looks like the one from IKEA I have. I purchased one white and one black and combined the two to make a black & white system along with the CD towers they sell which I also combined B&W. Looks sick and wicked in my rec room, wall to wall music (with music DVD's). I took about 200 albums and hid them in garage though because they are just too valuable to have out. Funny thing is I haven't purchased more than 10 albums in the past two years. It's all come to a screeching halt. Broke.

But the value of the Albums seems to keep going up, especially the early rap and 60's releases.

If I'm ever in a secondhand store I always check the vinyl, but most all the employees know the score, they never hit the racks anymore. I used to know where every thrift store was from BC to Medford OR and made all travel plans accordingly.

There's a thrift store 2 minutes from my house that always has a decent selection. They add stock everyday, but there's this irritating older guy that gets there right when they open and waits around for the staff to bring out the new stuff. I only know this because the few times I've been there first thing in the morning, he's already there sorting through the entire stack of whatever was just put out. I wouldn't care if he was just there for the Herb Alpert and Ray Conniff, but he's always pulling aside stuff I would actually want. So I'm basically just there for his leftovers.

If you think the prices on early rap is out of control, I'd advise you to stay away from collecting 50s/60s jazz or early r&b/funk/soul altogether.

[mikizee]

mickill does your original copy of DSOTM on LP have a solid blue triangle on the record label, or just a blue outlined triangle?

[mickill]

No, it isn't the first pressing.

[Drederick Tatum]

this city is basically built on those shelving units. I know about a dozen people including myself who all use Expedit to house records and equipment. the octoversion of that bookshelf flipped onto its side, you're laffing.

I don't really have anything to say about Pink Floyd.

[Documad]

I love this place. It's perfect that the pink floyd discussion turned into a shelving discussion.

I've been visiting every furniture store in town and trying to hang my body off a shelf to see if I can make it bend. I know I look ridiculous but my current shelves are bent like mad. Ikea didn't have the big shelving on display when I was there. I need to go to Ikea again and find the shelving and try to lean on it really hard.

[mickill]

I am so confident in these shelving units that, if you can provide evidence of you or someone you know actually getting one to bend, yeahwho will send you $100.

[yeahwho]

Sure.

















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[paul jones]

Roger Waters is on the cover of this month's MOJO magazine and talks about how 'The Wall still haunts him' and stuff.

[mickill]

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[yeahwho]

The "elephant in the room" moment for Meddle is that San Tropez (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkRcwqxLEuk) song. It's like a bad Jimmy Buffet song. It's fucking awful. This is the sort of song that knocks an album down way more than one notch.

San Tropez is a very unreasonable song.