Holy Shit - Mass Shooting at Fort Hood Texas

[kaiser soze]

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/69305427.html

Fort Hood Commander Lt. Gen Bob Cone said at a news conference late Thursday afternoon that one shooter was killed and two suspects were apprehended on Thursday.

He said they are all U.S. soldiers.

The Associated Press quotes a law enforcement official who says one shooting suspect at Fort Hood has been identified as Army Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan.

The official said Hasan, who’s believed to be in his late 30s, was killed after opening fire at the base.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly.

The base is home of one of the most extensive mental health programs for war veterans, the suspected shooter was a mental health professional, what could have driven him to do this?

:(

[valvano]

if only they had gun control measures at military bases....:(

[kaiser soze]

The people who defend your Country, Constitution, and Life and that is what you have to say?

wow, for a "patriot" you surely care about your soldiers

[valvano]

nope, using plain liberal bumper sticker logic...

could have easily blamed it on Bush, homophobia, Jesus / Christians, lack of medical coverage, house being foreclosed, global warming, Bush again, Reaganomics...among many others. i chose to blame lack of gun control...this was obviously the fault of the NRA and the pro-gun militia mentality...and red necks...

[Bob]

nope, using plain liberal bumper sticker logic...

could have easily blamed it on Bush, homophobia, Jesus / Christians, lack of medical coverage, house being foreclosed, global warming, Bush again, Reaganomics...among many others. i chose to blame lack of gun control...this was obviously the fault of the NRA and the pro-gun militia mentality...and red necks...

you're a caricature of yourself

[Whatitis]

You're fucking wacky Valvano.





My thoughts to all the victims and thier families. Soldiers should not be attacked by thier own. Deplorable.

[valvano]

You're fucking wacky Valvano.





My thoughts to all the victims and thier families. Soldiers should not be attacked by thier own. Deplorable.

you mean like Nancy Pelosi?

[Bob]

you mean like Nancy Pelosi?

jesus christ valvano

[saz]

You're fucking wacky Valvano.





My thoughts to all the victims and thier families. Soldiers should not be attacked by thier own. Deplorable.

exactly. this "adult" has the gall to take a thread about a horrific tragedy, the murder of soldiers who defend his country, and take it down into the gutter with really low partisan, snide remarks.

[freetibet]

What was that scumbag of we-all-know-what-origin doing in the almighty US Army in the first place?

Send all such "Americans" back to Arabia and everything's gonna be OK.

But yes, I somehow feel guilty for that massacre. White, catholic, anti social health care etc. - I brought that man to the tragic and heroic act of killing some dozen worthy and clean American Soldiers. Valvano's got a point there.

[kaiser soze]

I am not surprised by the comments of those who more than likely support the wars, hate people of other races, and have never served their country.

It is the ideology of spilling blood for good that has warped their minds and numbed their souls to a tragedy such as this (and the tragedy of war). Contrary to the flags they have wrapped themselves in we are finally seeing how they truly feel deep down in their shallow souls. Their respect for our soldiers end when our soldiers are broken, when they deserve our support and respect the most.

We have been over exposed to their immaturity, callousness, and lack of humanity for quite some time now.

such a shame adults can be or act this way, children have more integrity.

[DroppinScience]

I really don't know why freetibet and valvano are allowed to post here. They should take it to the Stormfront message boards.

[valvano]

I really don't know why freetibet and valvano are allowed to post here. They should take it to the Stormfront message boards.

whats that, a meteorological website? i'll stick to the weather channel for my weather news...

[valvano]

You're fucking wacky Valvano.





My thoughts to all the victims and thier families. Soldiers should not be attacked by thier own. Deplorable.

do you find this equally as deplorable?

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/A-Disconnected-President.html

[kaiser soze]

First that is an opinion piece not news

Secondly I agree it wasn't the best way to start his speech but he was taking care of giving recognition before moving onto more serious business. He didn't make light of the shooting like you and your fellow "patriot" did. I'm sure he'll still face the backlash for it.

He has since given another press conference specifically concerning this shooting.

nice try, it didn't change the fact that you posted your bullshit.

[valvano]

First that is an opinion piece not news

Secondly I agree it wasn't the best way to start his speech but he was taking care of giving recognition before moving onto more serious business. He didn't make light of the shooting like you and your fellow "patriot" did. I'm sure he'll still face the backlash for it.

He has since given another press conference specifically concerning this shooting.

nice try, it didn't change the fact that you posted your bullshit.

why are you calling me a patriot? george mason is a good school but i didnt go to there...and i dont like new england, their coach is a scum bag.

[Schmeltz]

There's no need to tell us you didn't go to a good school, it's really quite abundantly clear.

I'm not sure why this thread is even in General Political as it strikes me there's nothing political about the event at all. Tragedies like this typically do spark some kind of debate about firearms control but that's one area in which the military and civilian spheres are obviously different. So aside from the same silly, empty-headed feces slinging that valvano and freetibet are incapable of rising above, what are we left with? Just another woefully deficient individual who slipped through the cracks and snapped. It's not political, it's just sad.

[freetibet]

1) I guess it would break a "liberal" jaw to explain, what such piece of camel vomit was doing in the Almighty US Army, blessed be its name. Go ahead, absorb more of that multi-culti terror seed. I ain't racist, I'm just sick of terrorists coming from some sort of Terra Terroristica, and not from, Heaven forbid: Arabia, Jordania, Egypt or Eurabia. Learn from the Israeli - nothing stops them as good as a solid 3m high concrete wall.
2) So going to a good school (ie full of leftist useless professors) makes you a qualified discussion attendant. Good to know that.
3) A >muslim< kills 13 people with a >gun<. Ban on guns! LOL

4) And apparently this is some political issue. When will you stop being so blind?

[kaiser soze]

I thought this forum would be the best place for this considering General Discussion usually doesn't carry topics like this. But if you have problems with this thread feel free to join in the discussion over there.

and freetibet, I'm curious....what kind of ethnicities/religions/creeds should be able to join the U.S. military? Seeing that we have people from all walks of life serving in our armed forces.

It is unfortunate that you pride yourself as a bigot....yeah you're not racist riiiiight. So if this was a white person what kind of shit would you be spewing....nothing.

nobody called for a ban on guns, keep trying to read minds young jedi.

I'd rather be college educated than a whatever you call yourself.

Odd, the religion of the man who went on a shooting spree in Orlando hasn't been brought up, why is that? Why not the serial killer in Cleveland? Or Timothy McVeigh? Or other soldiers who have killed their families?

I am not defending this monster, he was an officer and psychiatrist, he knew damn well where to go if 1) He was being persecuted for his religion and 2) If he was dealing with emotional and mental stress. There is no excuse for what he did, but to blame him solely because of his religion is idiotic at best.

[freetibet]

Oh yeah. And the same applies to thousands of other terrorists who happen (accidentally) to share the same religion as he does. It should totally not be blamed on his religion, no sir!

Well he wasn't white and his surname sounded nothing like AMERICAN (bear in my mind America was built by WASPs. And by Black people - uncle Toms etc.). Oh wait, he sooo resembles the President;D

I don't negate the fact that a sh**load of white garbage rednecks is also a sort of a burden. But what about their reasons? Being deprived of their country by arrogant imigrants from cultures openly hostile to every freakin' brick America was built on. After that communist vote result tonight - having to pay (whatever the socialist administration hasn't yet stolen from them) for the med care for those unfriendly pseudo-Americans. Suming up, OK there was McVeigh. And there was IRA (leftist, sadly). Crimes happen all the time. But nowadays a majority of terror acts is committed by n-W n-AS n-P(Ch)s. Fact.

Who should be admitted? Someone who salutes the Flag, speaks English (or at least tries and learns) and didn't spend the last three summer vacations on an education camp in Afghanistan / or (for other problematic immigrants America welcomes): does not already have a dozen of cousins in the Latino mob in Miami / Texas.

This brings an obvious truth to my mind, which is kinda off-topic but the hell with that: all those annoyed (and annoying) immigrants in America or Eurabia are so cherished by the leftists because they can build a great electorate upon it. Undereducated, hostile towards the guest-societies strangers who the leftistrs don't really give a damn about (but they can lie and pretend they do - they are good at that).

And when some white catholic (=fascist, although fascism and nazism were sorts of SOCIALISM) mentions the fact that the guy's name sounded like he was a beduin .shepperd - down with the racist!! they say.

[DroppinScience]

You know, the U.S. was ALSO hostile towards Polish immigrants back in the day. In fact, they may have referred to them as "annoying immigrants" as you seem to call Latinos and Muslims.

You really are an embarrassment.

[mikizee]

freetibet is a fucking nutbar.

[Bob]

freetibet is a fucking nutbar.

understatement

[Schmeltz]

freetibet, I have an honest question for you: do you think anybody here takes you or what you have to say seriously?

[valvano]

political correctness could be an issue here:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573469,00.html

[RobMoney$]

Odd, the religion of the man who went on a shooting spree in Orlando hasn't been brought up, why is that? Why not the serial killer in Cleveland? Or Timothy McVeigh? Or other soldiers who have killed their families?


Probably because those other folks weren't receiving guidence or council from known terrorists?

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20091108/US.Fort.Hood.Shooting/

[kaiser soze]

political correctness could be an issue here:


How so?

but I will play along

So could people not doing their job and snatching this guy up before he committed a crime. It appears he was being investigated, what were they waiting for.....A massacre?

The Army is really doing a horrible job weeding out extremists from many angles, especially since they have lowered their standards in recruitment. There are too many extremists of all kinds and mentally ill individuals in our military at this time.


Probably because those other folks weren't receiving guidence or council from known terrorists?

how smug of you

I posted that before more information came out, and the news immediately jumped on his religion prior to that information coming out.

[RobMoney$]

You tried to dismiss his religion as having any involvement with the crime he committed.

Suspicions about his religion were proven to be justified.

Perhaps you shouldn't be so eager to dismiss such an obvious concerns in your effort to be PC in the future.

[travesty]

Innocent until proven guilty. The only people who have "proven" that his religion had anything to do with it are the casualty vampires in the media and those of us who would pass judgement without all the facts.

[kaiser soze]

Will you please quote my dismissal please, I'm having a hard time finding it.

And sorry for not being a psychic, but religious fanaticism falls under mental illness in my opinion. So my first response was that this man was horrible overwhelmed and torn over his potential deployment. I never said that Islam was the cause of this, nor did I say it wasn't.

What I did confront was the perceived persecution of Muslims in the military and in society for the action of this man.

I didn't jump to conclusions that Islam was the cause of this, does that make me a horrible person now? Hell the people investigating him didn't believe his religious beliefs were a threat.

[YoungRemy]

What was that scumbag of we-all-know-what-origin doing in the almighty US Army in the first place?



getting a free medical education on Uncle Sam's dime. and he wanted to get out and couldn't. the US wouldn't let him because they are strapped for smart soldiers. Catch 22. so he snapped. that's really all we know right now without listening to the talking heads.

I first got word of this news via the conservative radio stations late in the evening, they were of course talking about his ties to Al Qaeda and his radical Islamic views, connections to a militant mosque that 9/11 sympathizers attended, etc...

then I flip to Air America and I hear everyone being cautious about saying the wrong thing, waiting for all the facts and trying to understand that he was a victim of racial/religious discrimination.

and here, everyone is playing their Internet characters of themselves to a "T"

It's not uncommon lately for soldiers to lose it and take their own.

it also has not been uncommon that Army Bases have been the targets of Radical Islamic attacks (See Fort Dix 2007 Plot)

[travesty]

but religious fanaticism falls under mental illness in my opinion.

(y)(y)

[kaiser soze]

This article states that there is an investigation looking for terrorist ties and that the "intelligence" gathered on the shooter didn't warrant any further action.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/09/fort.hood.shootings/

"I think what we're looking for are sort of people with overwhelming personal problems and patterns of behavior that are not at all related to religion."

But other investigators have been examining whether Hasan had any ties to Islamic radical groups or individuals -- in particular, a former cleric at a mosque Hasan attended when he lived in Virginia.

Intelligence agencies intercepted communications from Hasan to al-Awlaki and shared them with other U.S. government agencies, U.S. military officials told CNN on Monday. Federal authorities dropped the inquiry into Hasan's communications after deciding that the messages warranted no further action, one of the officials said.

"Because the content of the communications was explainable by his research and nothing else derogatory was found, the JTTF concluded that Maj. Hasan was not involved in terrorist activities or terrorist planning," the FBI said.

FBI Director Robert Mueller has ordered a review of the matter, but the probe so far "indicates that the alleged gunman acted alone and was not part of a broader terrorist plot," the FBI said.

Jumping to conclusions is silly, even those who have been investigating and the Army feel the same way.

[RobMoney$]

Ok, but if you jump to a pretty obvious conclusion that turns out to be true, than the formality of an investigation is just a waste of valuable recources.

[freetibet]

You know, the U.S. was ALSO hostile towards Polish immigrants back in the day. In fact, they may have referred to them as "annoying immigrants" as you seem to call Latinos and Muslims.

You really are an embarrassment.

So? It's those rat-Poles (as we call them) that stay in the US illegally and give a reason for the US gov to maintain the visa program. Got no sympathy for them. Annoying but not running the drug business or the learn-to-fly-a-plane-and-hit-Sears-Tower business.

Of course y'all don't take me seriously, just the way you don't take terrorism and socialism seriously. Problem is the latter two are a fu*kin' disgrace and threat to mankind, God damn it.

Latest news: they executed that Allen Muhammad sniper from Washington, DC. :D That gives me hope that the poor Jordanian guy won't be treated as a mental but as a murderer (as he should be) and will be hung / shot / poisoned / whatever. I believe in you, Texas! ;p

P.S. I loved RobMoney'$ reference to the radio stations. LOL, politically correct dummies are so pathetic.

[YoungRemy]

I wonder if this guy will be (or should be for that matter) charged with treason...

[kaiser soze]

Don't worry freetibet I am sure you will get your wish under the UCMJ

Concerning your thoughts on rat-poles, I'm sure there is someone out there who thinks just as highly as you.

Today is Veteran's day, let us not forget those who perished at Fort Hood.

Michael Grant Cahill
L. Eduardo Caraveo
Justin Michael DeCrow
John P. Gaffaney
Frederick Greene
Jason Dean Hunt
Amy Sue Krueger
Aaron Thomas Nemelka
Michael S. Pearson
Russell Gilbert Seager
Francheska Velez
Juanita L. Warman
Kham See Xiong

Roll Call and Taps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXIVRWhU-xk&feature=player_embedded#

[Whatitis]

^ SALUTE!

[DroppinScience]

The Missing Link from Killeen to Kabul

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/opinion/15rich.html?_r=2&ref=opinion

[yeahwho]

The Missing Link from Killeen to Kabul

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/opinion/15rich.html?_r=2&ref=opinion

Herbert once again brings up a very insightful point being missed by media and unfortunately most of the American people,

For all the right’s jeremiads, its own brand of political correctness kept it from connecting two crucial dots: how our failing war against terrorists in Afghanistan might relate to our failure to stop a supposed terrorist attack at home. Most of those who decried the Army’s blindness to Hasan’s threat are strong proponents of sending more troops into our longest war. That they didn’t mention Afghanistan while attacking the entire American intelligence and defense apparatus in charge of that war may be the most telling revelation of this whole debate.