Glenn Beck in league with white supremacists

[DroppinScience]

Do we really need any more proof that this guy is a hatemongerer? :rolleyes:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/16/becks-guest-list-included_n_359120.html

Beck has hosted, and even occasionally praised, a renowned white supremacist, a devout southern secessionist, a defender of slavery, and a 9/11 skeptic.

[yeahwho]

Even if this guy Glenn Beck was an advent supporter of equal rights I would hate him. His delivery is annoying and ridiculous. He pontificates, cries and then tries to get everybody together to join him in some sort of communal pathetic victim game. One very sad sack of an act.

Keep your children away from this guy. He is fucking weird.

[Whatitis]

Yea, I've seen him break into his crying act. Absolutely awful. Dude is a creep. The huffington post is not much better, imo. Smear campaigns from both sides. Beck does deserve it though.

[RobMoney$]

You mean he's using controversy to get ratings?
I'm shocked.

[RobMoney$]

The huffington post is not much better, imo.


THIS

I mean seriously Lambert, you felt a HuffPo article slamming Glenn Beck was thread worthy?

[saz]

it's a legitimate news site, which doesn't participate in "smear campaigns", and you're one to talk about "worthy threads" (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=88513).

[RobMoney$]

No, it's not.
And this article itself is nothing more than a smear.

[saz]

yeah keep telling yourself that

[saz]

On October 4, 2007, for instance, Beck had on his CNN/Headline News show Michael Hill, the founder and president of the League of the South, and Thomas Naylor, a secessionist who is head of the Second Vermont Republic. The conversation, which centered on dissolving the government, was at times, contentious. But Beck - for all the pushback he offered - did acknowledge that he was kind of intrigued. "Don`t get me wrong," he said. "There`s part of me that says, mm-hmm."

the transcript from cnn:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0710/04/gb.01.html


Hill's League of the South (LOS) group is a decidedly white supremacist organization, arguing that the "Anglo-Celtic" culture of the South must be protected and insisting that "white men" must "shed the guilt heaped upon them by their opponents and defend their interests." The group has questioned "what sort of ammunition is being given to black 'racists' by the media's skewed coverage of interracial crimes." Hill himself has been quoted as saying, "Let us not flinch when our enemies call us, 'Racists;' rather, just reply with, 'So, what's your point?'''

the viewpoints of "league of the south" (who proudly proclaim themselves as "angry white men with guns"):

http://web.archive.org/web/20041225064605js_/www.dixienet.org/ls-press-releases/LS-special-reports/ls-special-index.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20040406145549js_/www.dixienet.org/dn-gazette/black-rage.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/20050106093802js_/www.dixienet.org/ls-homepg/ls-grand-strategy.html

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/secession-we-can-believe


Hill wasn't the only Beck guest with LOS ties. Beck has also given airtime to Tom Woods, a historian and economic theorist who was present at the group's founding. Woods was just 21 years old at the time and insists that he is no longer a member. But even those who have accepted those explanations say he harbors radical, pro-Confederate views.

In his book, "Politically Incorrect Guide to the American History," Woods wrote that "strictly speaking, there was never an American Civil War...Other, more ideologically charged (but nevertheless much more accurate) names for the conflict include the War for Southern Independence and even the War for Northern Aggression."

"Woods clearly wants to tender a neo-Confederate interpretation, in which slavery is shunted into the background as a motive for southern secession," wrote Jeffrey Rogers Hummel, a San Diego University Professor who reviewed the book for the Journal of Libertarian Studies.

Nevertheless, Woods has appeared twice on Beck's radio program and three times on his Fox News show. When Beck was out with appendicitis last week, Woods was on with fill-in host, Judge Andrew Napolitano, to discuss his new book, "Meltdown." He's regarded so highly by the program that Beck has asked him to write for his newsletter "because I think you've got it down," Beck said.

beck's praise for the neo-confederate woods:

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/21242/


Another Beck guest with a controversial past is Larry Pratt, the president of Gun Owners of America. Pratt appeared on the Fox News program on February 16, 2009.

A Second-Amendment rights enthusiast, Pratt may be best known for being forced to resign as co-chair of Pat Buchanan's 1996 presidential campaign because of ties to white supremacist and extremist groups. The same year, the Southern Poverty Law Center reported that Pratt was contributing to an anti-Semitic periodical titled "United Sovereigns of America." Gun Owners of America, meanwhile, was discovered donating money to a white supremacist attorney's group.

Nevertheless, he was warmly greeted on the show by Beck, who promptly complimented him for his "dream marriage" because neither he nor his wife exchanged Valentine's Day cards.

larry pratt's appearance on glenn beck's show on february 16, 2009:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOCpqyZ4Xu0

the splc report on pratt and their discovery that larry prat was contributing to the anti-semitic "united sovereigns of america", and his organization was donating money to a racist attorney's group:

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=365

even pat buchanan forced pratt to quit as the co-chair of his '96 presidential campaign because of his connections to extremist and white supremacist groups.


Roy Beck, the founder and president of NumbersUSA -- and no relation -- has appeared with Beck three times, including one appearance just over two weeks ago. According to SPLC, Roy Beck "is the Washington editor of The Social Contract, a quarterly journal that has published articles by 'white nationalists' like Samuel Francis, who was fired from the conservative Washington Times after writing a racially inflammatory column, and James Lubinskas, a contributing editor for the racist American Renaissance magazine."

roy beck on glenn beck's show a few weeks back:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pTjv8UzDh4

the splc's report on roy beck and the social contract:

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?sid=175


but yeah it's all just a smear.

[yeahwho]

THIS

I mean seriously Lambert, you felt a HuffPo article slamming Glenn Beck was thread worthy?

He did.

I have seen at least a few dozen threads less "thread worthy" on here today.

Speaking up about a national television program on a conglomerate network that just so happens to name itself FOXNews which may have a very opinionated racist dispensing his punditry seems incredibly reasonable to me.

Disproving the Huffington Posts information is much more constructive than attacking the Lambert (droppinscience).

[RobMoney$]

Anyone remember Morton Downey Jr.?
He used to have the KKK and Arian Nation leaders on his "show" all the time.
It wasn't that Mort was a racist, he was just trying to stir the pot.
Know what I mean?

[RobMoney$]

the transcript from cnn:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0710/04/gb.01.html



the viewpoints of "league of the south" (who proudly proclaim themselves as "angry white men with guns"):

http://web.archive.org/web/20041225064605js_/www.dixienet.org/ls-press-releases/LS-special-reports/ls-special-index.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20040406145549js_/www.dixienet.org/dn-gazette/black-rage.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/20050106093802js_/www.dixienet.org/ls-homepg/ls-grand-strategy.html

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/secession-we-can-believe



beck's praise for the neo-confederate woods:

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/21242/



larry pratt's appearance on glenn beck's show on february 16, 2009:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOCpqyZ4Xu0

the splc report on pratt and their discovery that larry prat was contributing to the anti-semitic "united sovereigns of america", and his organization was donating money to a racist attorney's group:

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=365

even pat buchanan forced pratt to quit as the co-chair of his '96 presidential campaign because of his connections to extremist and white supremacist groups.



roy beck on glenn beck's show a few weeks back:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pTjv8UzDh4

the splc's report on roy beck and the social contract:

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?sid=175


but yeah it's all just a smear.

Yeah, I read the link Lambert posted. No need to quote it for me.
I saw nothing in his or any of your links that prove that Beck's doing anything other than using controversy to sell.

[yeahwho]

Anyone remember Morton Downey Jr.?
He used to have the KKK and Arian Nation leaders on his "show" all the time.
It wasn't that Mort was a racist, he was just trying to stir the pot.
Know what I mean?

Do not know anything other than what I've just read about Downey today on this wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morton_Downey,_Jr.#Controversies). He does seem like the perfect douche bag template for the ilk of Beck. Amazing as it is, advertisers seem much more sympathetic today than they were in the 80's and the 90's. Mainstream advertising pretty much pulled the rug from under Downey.

That says volumes about FOXNews, in the year 2009 they have no problem touting a nutcase racist. It also says volumes about every advertiser who sponsors Glenn Beck.

Thanks for pointing out Morton Downey Jr.

[yeahwho]

as a footnote i just typed advertisers on google and the very first words to pop up........ Glenn Beck

I think he's on his way to either some form of redemption or dumpster.

[yeahwho]

lol, type current sponsors on google (Glenn Beck appears again) and the first link is pretty much up to date letting you know if a company you deal with with sponsors a horses ass with your hard earned money.

LMAO!

[travesty]

Morton Downey Jr. fucking RULED! That guy was hilarious. He'd get up in the KKK leader's face, puffing his cigarette mind you, and give him shit right there on TV. He had balls of steel but his format just seemed to degenrate into the Springer and Ricki Lake type shows. Speaking of racists, a young Sharpton got served on that show by another guest if I remember right.

As for this HuffPost piece...mehh...weak sauce. Just another weak stab at discrediting someone by trying to call them a "racist" by association. I didn't see or hear anything in any of those clips or transcripts that was remotely racist coming from Beck. In fact in the clip with ROy Beck, Glenn is clearly laughing off this guy's opinion as absurd. If Obama isn't racist for attending Rev. Wright's church then Glenn Beck sure as fuck isn't racist for having a few shady guests.

[cj hood]

Anyone remember Morton Downey Jr.?
He used to have the KKK and Arian Nation leaders on his "show" all the time.
It wasn't that Mort was a racist, he was just trying to stir the pot.
Know what I mean?

ya, but MDJ wasn't a cry baby pussy......politics aside, Beck probably has hands like a priest.....

[YoungRemy]

the author's got a point. All he's doing is "asking questions". Why isn't anyone else asking these questions? Maybe because they, along with the "mainstream media", don't WANT you to start asking these questions. You see, there's really something deeper going on here, and we as readers have a RIGHT to know!

[yeahwho]

Money talks in the corporate world, we'll see how long Beck can hold onto a FOXNews show before he costs the network too much. The consumer market will decide his fate. He has pissed off a sizable chunk of corporate sponsors.

This tells me his well earned reputation of racism is deserved. That is a very bad position to be in when your fellow Countrymen perceive you as part of the problem.

I await the day "play him off keyboard cat" does his Glenn Beck chorus.

[travesty]

I'm just ecstatic to hear you embracing the idea that the free market will determine his fate. I could cry right now yeahwho, I'm so proud of you. I would have taken you for someone who would be looking for the government to take care of this "problem" for the betterment of us all.

[RobMoney$]

^^^Burn of the Year!


It's kind of hilarious that Beck's detractors never seem to get the fact that they're a big part of the reason he isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

I mean Beck keeps appearing at the top of every benign google search that Yeahwho does, but he thinks Beck's about to have the plug pulled on him?
Am I the only one seeing the irony here?

[yeahwho]

lol @ being schooled by you geniuses, what exactly is it I hate about Beck?

It isn't his politics, it's his pathetic disposition. He only conjures up one thing whenever I hear, see or am confronted with him, bedwetting.

It isn't his politics or racism, it's his disposition. He's pathetic.

[RobMoney$]

It's not that I disagree with you.
It's that you and the people who share your opinions on here (Liberal Obama supporters) are the only people who seem to care what this guy does.

[travesty]

The dude is pretty milquetoast.

[Burnout18]

It's not that I disagree with you.
It's that you and the people who share your opinions on here (Liberal Obama supporters) are the only people who seem to care what this guy does.

dude i visit a site that isn't supposed to be a conservative or liberal site.... it is hosted by a local newspaper. Everyday when i get home i go through the glenn beck viewing thread for the day, and there are ppl who take his every word as scripture. Beck has been worshipped since he said he thinks obama is a racist. The man has some real power all of a sudden.

[DroppinScience]

dude i visit a site that isn't supposed to be a conservative or liberal site.... it is hosted by a local newspaper. Everyday when i get home i go through the glenn beck viewing thread for the day, and there are ppl who take his every word as scripture. Beck has been worshipped since he said he thinks obama is a racist. The man has some real power all of a sudden.

Exactly, and his ratings for his TV show are always quite high despite advertisers pulling their content from his program. It's more than fair to say that a fair portion of those viewers cares about what he says. Rob either does not pay attention or tries his hardest to believe that white racism is just fine and only "stirring the pot."

[saz]

It's not that I disagree with you.
It's that you and the people who share your opinions on here (Liberal Obama supporters) are the only people who seem to care what this guy does.

you just don't get it. beck and everyone else has every single right to disagree with obama and whoever else. i have no problem with debating policy and dissent.

the problem is that beck, and the other lunatic hatemongers like him, are giving a platform to extremists and white supremacists, which therefore influences the fucked-up and armed members of their audience who then go out and commit fucked-up shit, ie murdering people.

conservatism has been not only dumbed-down, but the former conservatism of william f. buckley jr, dwight eisenhower, nelson rockefeller and richard nixon (you know, pragmatic, practical, intellectual and dynamic) has been steamrolled by this incredibly angry, frothing-at-the-mouth, ignorant, xenophobic, hate-mongering racist, sexist, homophobic, bible-thumping, war-mongering extremist and retarded bullshit. these assholes - beck, limbaugh, savage, hannity, o'reilly, et al - they go well beyond the line of responsible dissent and accuse anyone who disagrees with them of being "traitors", "al-qaeda sympathizers", that they "hate america" and that "liberals are destroying america". and their redneck, gun-totting audience eats that shit up. and now it's spread to the republican party itself, ie michelle bachman.

discussion, debate and dissent regarding policy is fine, it's great. but this extremist hate-mongering is just flat-out irresponsible and dangerous as hell. on top of this there's also the anti-abortion terrorism movement, in which doctors who perform abortions are being murdered, abortion clinics bombed et al.


Suspect's note cites 'liberal movement' for church attack
More charges expected to be filed against Adkisson

By Hayes Hickman, Don Jacobs
Posted July 29, 2008 at midnight
knoxnews.com (http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/jul/29/suspects-note-cites-liberal-movement-church-attack/)


A Powell man sits alone in a jail cell following a fatal shotgun rampage in a church prompted by a hatred of liberalism and Democratic leaders who have hamstrung the nation's war on terror, records show.

Jim David Adkisson is charged with one count of first-degree murder. He is being held in the Knox County Detention Facility in lieu of $1 million bond.

But more charges await the 58-year-old man who authorities say has been frustrated by a lack of employment, a reduction of his food-stamp benefits and what he perceived as the liberal ruination of the United States.

Adkisson is charged in the slaying of Greg McKendry, 60, of Knoxville. Police said he also killed 61-year-old Linda Kraeger during the 10:18 a.m. Sunday attack at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church, 2931 Kingston Pike.

The assault also wounded six others. Police on Monday identified the wounded as Tammy Sommers, 38; Joe Barnhart, 76; Jack Barnhart, 69; Betty Barnhart, 71; Linda Chavez, 41; and John Worth Jr., 68. A seventh person, Allison Lee, 42, injured her knee while diving for cover when the assault began.

Sommers and Chavez remained Monday in critical condition at the University of Tennessee Medical Center. Joe Barnhart is in stable condition. Jack Barnhart, who is Joe Barnhart's brother, was listed in serious condition at UT Medical Center. Betty Barnhart, wife of Jack Barnhart, and Worth were released from the hospital.

Knoxville Police Chief Sterling P. Owen IV said additional charges are expected to be lodged against Adkisson by a Knox County grand jury.

Owen said Adkisson concealed the shotgun in a guitar case when he entered the sanctuary, where children were performing the musical, "Annie Jr." Owen said Adkisson didn't say anything before discharging three rounds from the shotgun, which had a shortened barrel.

Because the semiautomatic weapon holds three shells, Adkisson had to reload after the initial attack. That's when several church members grabbed Adkisson and grappled for control of the shotgun. They overpowered him and tied him with belts face down on the floor, apparently disrupting Adkisson's attack plans.

"We found 76 shotgun shells," Owen said. The additional shells were in a black leather bag Adkisson had carried along with the guitar case.

"He expected to be shooting people until police arrived and he fully expected to be killed by those responding police," the chief said.

Owen credited the "actions of a few church members" for preventing further fatalities.

Owen said Adkisson bought the shotgun "about a month ago" at a pawn shop. Owen declined to identify the pawn shop, but police said the business is located in Anderson County.

Police found a four-page, handwritten note in Adkisson's 2004 Ford Escape that was parked at the church. The letter written in ink on lined notebook paper was not addressed to anyone, but explained Adkisson's reason for targeting the church, Owen said.

Owen said Adkisson wrote that he was angered by "his lack of being able to obtain a job," a reduction in his food stamp allotment, and "the liberal movement." Owen explained the liberal movement, as defined by Adkisson, included liberal philosophies and issues pertaining to gays.

Records show Adkisson had been working on the note for about a week.

Owen said it appeared Adkisson targeted the TVUUC because the "church had received some publicity regarding its liberal stance." The TVUUC regularly announces in the Knoxville News Sentinel its meetings for gays and their support groups.

In March, TVUUC minister the Rev. Chris Buice wrote an article in the News Sentinel regarding tolerance of gay couples.

While police said Adkisson did not mention his ex-wife in the note, they said she attended the TVUUC years ago. That's how he selected TVUUC to unleash his frustrations, police said.

Owen said Adkisson had an associate's degree in mechanical engineering but was unable to land a job since returning to the Knoxville area several years ago. Records show Adkisson registered in February 2005 to vote in Knox County.

"He did express that frustration that the liberal movement was getting jobs," Owen said.

Owen said the FBI is assisting in the probe because the shooting appears to be a hate crime.

A search of Adkisson's Levy Drive home revealed brass knuckles, a .38-caliber pistol and three political books, according to a search warrant.

Knoxville Police Department Investigator Steve Still wrote in the search warrant that Adkisson "admitted to shooting McKendry and several others at the church."

Adkisson went on a rampage at the church, Still wrote, "because of its liberal teachings and his belief that all liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country, and that he felt that the Democrats had tied his country's hands in the war on terror and they had ruined every institution in America with the aid of major media outlets."

Adkisson, who had served in the military, said "that because he could not get to the leaders of the liberal movement he would then target those that had voted them in office," the search warrant states.

Still noted Adkisson had sawed off part of the barrel on the shotgun and had left his home unlocked to provide police easier access after he was killed during the attack.

Still seized three books from Adkisson's home, including "The O'Reilly Factor," by television commentator Bill O'Reilly; "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder," by radio personality Michael Savage; and "Let Freedom Ring," by political pundit Sean Hannity.

Knox County Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Martha Dooley said Adkisson was being held Monday in a cell by himself.

She was unable to say why he was isolated from the rest of the prisoners.

Don Jacobs may be reached at 865-342-6345; Hayes Hickman may be reached at 865-342-6323.

© 2008, Knoxville News Sentinel Co.

video: kpd chief sterling p. owen iv talks about the letter found in jim david adkisson's car (http://www.knoxnews.com/videos/detail/kpd-chief-talks-about-letter-found-adkissons)



Terror in Kentucky: Census Worker's Murder
Body Found Naked, Hanging From Tree in Cemetery; Had Been Gagged, Duct Taped, 'Fed' Scrawled on Chest

(CBS/AP) (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/26/national/main5343131.shtml)


It was a bizarre and gruesome discovery in a remote section of eastern Kentucky: Bill Sparkman, a 51-year-old teacher and part-time worker for the United States Census, was found two weeks ago hanging from a tree with the word "Fed" scrawled on his chest in felt tip pen.

A man who said he was among those who found the body told tells the Associated Press that Sparkman was naked, bound at the hands and feet with duct tape and gagged - details that have not yet been confirmed by authorities.

Jerry Weaver of Ohio told the Associated Press he was visiting a cemetery in rural Kentucky with family members on Sept. 12 when he, his wife and daughter saw the body.

"The only thing he had on was a pair of socks," Weaver said. "And they had duct-taped his hands, his wrists. He had duct tape over his eyes, and they gagged him with a red rag or something.

"He was murdered," Weaver said. "There's no doubt."

Weaver said the body was about 50 yards from a 2003 Chevrolet S-10 pickup truck.

Two people briefed on the investigation said various details of Weaver's account matched the details of the crime scene, though both people said they were not informed who found the body. The two spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.

Authorities have said a preliminary cause of death was asphyxiation, pending a full medical examination. According to a Kentucky State Police statement, the body was hanging from a tree with a rope around the neck, yet it was in contact with the ground.

"And they even had duct tape around his neck," Weaver said. "And they had like his identification tag on his neck. They had it duct-taped to the side of his neck, on the right side, almost on his right shoulder."

Both of the people briefed on the investigation confirmed that Sparkman's Census Bureau ID was found taped to his head and shoulder area. Weaver said he couldn't tell if the tag was a Census ID because he didn't get close enough to read it. He could see writing on Sparkman's chest, but could not read that it said "fed."

Sparkman, a Boy Scout leader and substitute teacher, was supplementing his income as a part-time census field worker. Authorities have refused to say if Sparkman was at work going to door-to-door for census surveys before he died.

retired state trooper who worked with Sparkman at Johnson Elementary School, some 30 miles from where the body was found, said he warned Sparkman that some people in the rural area are hostile.

"I said, 'Bill you be careful when you go over to eastern Kentucky to do your census work. Some of the people over there may not understand that you're just collecting statistics,'" friend Gilbert Acciardo told CBS News.

Clay County Sheriff Kevin Johnson declined to comment on the investigation because the department is only playing a supporting role but said patrols have increased in the Daniel Boone National Forest since the body was found.

State Trooper Don Trosper said it was clear this wasn't a natural death but said all other possibilities were being considered.

"We are not able to rule out many scenarios at this time, and that's what makes this a difficult case," he said.

According to the sheriff, there's only been one murder in Clay County in three years, reports CBS News correspondent Dave Browde.

Although anti-government sentiment was one possibility in the death, some in law enforcement also cited the prevalence of drug activity in the area - including meth labs and marijuana fields - although they had no reason to believe there was a link to Sparkman's death.

After Sparkman's body was found, the Census Bureau suspended door-to-door interviews in Clay County until the investigation is complete.

[YoungRemy]

I'm going out on a limb and assuming the same liberal Obama supporters would have voted Hilary Clinton into office and would still be laughing at this guy, with a cautious eye on the fringe following that he has created...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSE8OwaJgeg

http://mediamatters.org/research/200703150011

[RobMoney$]

the problem is that beck, and the other lunatic hatemongers like him, are giving a platform to extremists and white supremacists, which therefore influences the fucked-up and armed members of their audience who then go out and commit fucked-up shit, ie murdering people.

conservatism has been not only dumbed-down, but the former conservatism of william f. buckley jr, dwight eisenhower, nelson rockefeller and richard nixon (you know, pragmatic, practical, intellectual and dynamic) has been steamrolled by this incredibly angry, frothing-at-the-mouth, ignorant, xenophobic, hate-mongering racist, sexist, homophobic, bible-thumping, war-mongering extremist and retarded bullshit. these assholes - beck, limbaugh, savage, hannity, o'reilly, et al - they go well beyond the line of responsible dissent and accuse anyone who disagrees with them of being "traitors", "al-qaeda sympathizers", that they "hate america" and that "liberals are destroying america". and their redneck, gun-totting audience eats that shit up. and now it's spread to the republican party itself, ie michelle bachman.

discussion, debate and dissent regarding policy is fine, it's great. but this extremist hate-mongering is just flat-out irresponsible and dangerous as hell. on top of this there's also the anti-abortion terrorism movement, in which doctors who perform abortions are being murdered, abortion clinics bombed et al.

I just don't think you can blame people like Beck or Limbaugh or Al Sharpton or Abbey Hoffman or anyone else for the lunatic fringe that exists on BOTH SIDES of the political spectrum.
The lunatics are still going to be lunatics whether Beck has a show or not.

You seem to be suggesting that if Beck's platform is taken away from him, the lunatics will go away.
I just don't buy that.

[saz]

sharpton is a total douche, and hoffman was a jackass, but they're by no means on the hate spewing level of limbaugh or beck.

beck is providing a platform for white supremacists. his audience members, as well as those for michael savage, sean hannity, limbaugh et al eat that shit up. even if the disseminators may not believe what they're spewing, their audience members sure do, as evidenced in the case of jim david adkisson.

no, i'm not suggesting that beck's platform be taken away from him, and that therefore the lunatics will disappear as well. what i'm suggesting is that these people like beck should be more responsible for what they say on the air and their programming's content. they can disagree and dissent all they want, but their base of followers are not stable and are well armed, as liberals, progressives, social democrats etc aren't the ones stacking up on guns.

[RobMoney$]

Would it make you feel any better if they were stacking up on knives instead?
How about forks?

Lunatics can hurt people with other objects that guns you know.

[saz]

lindsey graham (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP_DMTbfbdE) (y)

[travesty]

sharpton is a total douche, and hoffman was a jackass, but they're by no means on the hate spewing level of limbaugh or beck.

beck is providing a platform for white supremacists. his audience members, as well as those for michael savage, sean hannity, limbaugh et al eat that shit up. even if the disseminators may not believe what they're spewing, their audience members sure do, as evidenced in the case of jim david adkisson.

no, i'm not suggesting that beck's platform be taken away from him, and that therefore the lunatics will disappear as well. what i'm suggesting is that these people like beck should be more responsible for what they say on the air and their programming's content. they can disagree and dissent all they want, but their base of followers are not stable and are well armed, as liberals, progressives, social democrats etc aren't the ones stacking up on guns.

Kinda sounding like Tipper Gore and the PMRC here Saz. We better get Slayer and Twisted Sister off the shelves before more heavy metal kids kill themselves or their peers. They are fragile you know and can't be held responsible for their actions after listening to the hate and violence in the lyrics that these "dangerous" bands spread. We can't have people actually fighting for their right to party. That would be mayhem.

The more you blame the environment for a person's criminal action(s) the more you marginalize personal responsibility and dilute justice. That's a fine line to walk.

[saz]

that's a bullshit analogy. you're comparing heavy metal music to hatemongers giving a platform to white supremacists and extremist rhetoric. and i'm not marginalizing personal responsibility. what i'm pointing out is that right-wing hatemongers aren't helping with their extremist rhetoric.

talk show host michael reagan calls for murder of anti-war activist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdJO-kUINMs)

Excuse me folks, I'm going to say this. We ought to find the people who are doing this, take them out and shoot them. Really. You take them out, they are traitors to this country, and shoot them. You have a problem with that? Deal with it. You shoot them. You call them traitors, that's what they are, and you shoot them dead. I'll pay for the bullets.

How about you take Mark Dice out and put him in the middle of a firing range. Tie him to a post, don't blindfold him, let it rip and have some fun with Mark Dice.

[travesty]

oooooh...Hatemongers...fearmongers.....racists.... extremists....oh my. I'm so tired of these retarded buzzzwords that get thrown around. Everyone the libs don't like is labeled one or more of those phrases. It's played. It's like "synergy" and "mission-critical" in business. Gag me. Same goes for Socialist, nanny state and unAmerican coming from the right. uhhh. just devisive that's all.

I was comparing entertainment to entertainment, why is that a bullshit analogy? Are you saying that Heavy Metal music has never given a platform to white supremacists, or extremist rhetoric? Have you ever heard any Skinhead reggae bands? Maybe an "extremist" boy band? They are all metal (well some are officially punk) and they have a right to free speech, so does Michael Reagan and so does Glen Beck and so does Jeremiah Wright and so do you.

As for Adkisson, are we going to blame the Beatles for Manson now too? They did find some Beatles albums at the Manson Ranch and they did write Helter Skelter which Manson confessed wa the motive behind numerous killings. If those lyrics don't incite hate and violence, well I don't know what does.:rolleyes: Maybe blame Lennon for Mark Chapman? Lennon was spewing some pretty "extremist rhetoric" at the time you know with all that peace, pot, microdot stuff he was inciting riots and leading people to commit treasonous acts, shout at elected officials and march on washington and ohhhh PLANT BOMBS. Give it a rest.

[kaiser soze]

oooooh...Socialists...Marxists.....Commnunists.... Extremists....oh my. I'm as well so tired of these idiotic and well worn buzzwords that get thrown around. Everyone the republicans/conservatives/teabaggers don't like is labeled one or more of those phrases. It's like "Goooooooal!" in futbol. Same goes for jerky from the left. uhhh. just divisive that's all.

They did find some Beatles albums at the Manson Ranch and they did write Helter Skelter which Manson confessed wa the motive behind numerous killings.

Manson did not kill anyone, he influenced, he brainwashed others into acting out. If something is repeated and pounded into someone's head it eventually becomes truth, or "the way", or a mission.

I believe it has been very well covered in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZzsjULXDnA&feature=player_embedded

I know a couple FOX news fans and they are completely in step with everything Beck, O'reilly, and Hannity say. It is not entertainment to them, it is the truth.

[travesty]

Sometimes the truth is entertaining.

[yeahwho]

oooooh...Hatemongers...fearmongers.....racists.... extremists....oh my. I'm so tired of these retarded buzzzwords that get thrown around. Everyone the libs don't like is labeled one or more of those phrases.
So if somebody doesn't go along with your way of thinking they are libs.

You continually label posters on this site liberals. I'm not too sure why but that is what you do. That is a default mode of yours and a few of the more extreme posters on this board. Just saying pot, kettle, black.

libs?

[kaiser soze]

libs, labia, vag...it's all the same

I burn a bra every morning with a cup of hot sprout tea

[travesty]

I only hear words like hatemonger come the further left or "libs" as I like to call them. It's short for Liberals...does that offend you? I didn't know it was an offensive word. Since admittedly "my way of thinking" is more on the conservative side, if someone isn't going along with with "my way of thinking" then there is a pretty good chance they are more liberal. Shocker.
Don't even try to pretend that the vast majority of posters on this board aren't more left than right, you included. If you actually read what I write you'll see that, outside of you, I have rarely, if ever, labeled anyone here a liberal without evidence. I talk about "the liberals", "the left", "the libs" as a group without afixing that moniker to any one poster. If you feel that you belong to that group then yes I am talking about you, but I don't hang that label on anyone without cause.

If you and Soze would read the entire post you'd see that I also stated dislike for the buzzwords the right uses to describe the left. It goes both ways. They are just stupid.

[saz]

oooooh...Hatemongers...fearmongers.....racists.... extremists....oh my. I'm so tired of these retarded buzzzwords that get thrown around. Everyone the libs don't like is labeled one or more of those phrases. It's played. It's like "synergy" and "mission-critical" in business. Gag me. Same goes for Socialist, nanny state and unAmerican coming from the right. uhhh. just devisive that's all.

I was comparing entertainment to entertainment, why is that a bullshit analogy? Are you saying that Heavy Metal music has never given a platform to white supremacists, or extremist rhetoric? Have you ever heard any Skinhead reggae bands? Maybe an "extremist" boy band? They are all metal (well some are officially punk) and they have a right to free speech, so does Michael Reagan and so does Glen Beck and so does Jeremiah Wright and so do you.

As for Adkisson, are we going to blame the Beatles for Manson now too? They did find some Beatles albums at the Manson Ranch and they did write Helter Skelter which Manson confessed wa the motive behind numerous killings. If those lyrics don't incite hate and violence, well I don't know what does.:rolleyes: Maybe blame Lennon for Mark Chapman? Lennon was spewing some pretty "extremist rhetoric" at the time you know with all that peace, pot, microdot stuff he was inciting riots and leading people to commit treasonous acts, shout at elected officials and march on washington and ohhhh PLANT BOMBS. Give it a rest.

so you're complaining about labels being applied to irresponsible assholes, calling for the murder of fellow americans and giving platforms to white supremacists?

it's a bullshit analogy because heavy metal music is a form of art, whereas these mentally unbalanced freaks are stoking the flames of hatred and violence. and yeah i knew you were going to go with the free speech route or excuse. of course everyone has the right to free speech, but for fuck's sake, you of all people should know better that what these people are doing is grossly outrageous and irresponsible.

and again, you're completely misconstruing my point and being facetious and condescending, which isn't necessary. adkisson should rot for what he did. but the extremist rhetoric eminating from right-wing radio and fox news isn't helping. and sorry, i'm not going to give it a rest.

[DroppinScience]

Wall Street Journal (and author of "What's the Matter with Kansas?")'s Thomas Frank's article on Glenn Beck's conservative movement.

http://www.playboy.com/articles/triumph-of-the-conservative-underground-review-of-glenn-beck/index.html

[kaiser soze]

wait a minute (!)

you read it for the articles?

[DroppinScience]

wait a minute (!)

you read it for the articles?

Oh yes, Playboy's writing is well worth reading. My only regret is that Playboy does not print their articles on their Centerfolds (akin to what Esquire (http://www.esquire.com/women/women-we-love/bar-refaeli-naked-0709?click=main_sr) did with a Stephen King short story). THAT would increase literacy greatly.

In all seriousness, though, they do have a long history of great writing and journalism alongside some of their... uhh... other appealing factors.

[kaiser soze]

yeah their cartoons are pretty awesome too

[Burnout18]

haha holy shit dude, im at work and almost clicked that link after only reading the words "wall street journal." haha i could have been fired.

[travesty]

Wall Street Journal (and author of "What's the Matter with Kansas?")'s Thomas Frank's article on Glenn Beck's conservative movement.

http://www.playboy.com/articles/triumph-of-the-conservative-underground-review-of-glenn-beck/index.html

I would have read more had it not started the secnd page with....
(1) Banks and mortgage lenders, left pretty much to their own devices after decades of deregulation, came to misbehave in a spectacular manner. They handed out mortgages to anyone.

What a fucking joke.

In all seriousness, though, they do have a long history of great writing and journalism

Unfortunately this article does not seem to part of that.

[DroppinScience]

haha holy shit dude, im at work and almost clicked that link after only reading the words "wall street journal." haha i could have been fired.

Haha! Well, the link itself is safe for work. Cannot vouch for anything else if you go clicking around. You're on your own after that. ;)

[DroppinScience]

What a fucking joke.


Do you dispute the facts about the mortgages? Because it's pretty well established that deregulation allowed predatory loaning. If you're not kept in check, you pretty much have free reign to act irresponsibly.

[yeahwho]

I like the way Glenn Beck uses split screens, the one I watched this morning had the left side of the screen showing just his eyes, then the right side of the screen was just a tight shot of his head as he talked about the Grand 'Ol America when we all had freedom (or money or something).

Then I saw where he shrank down to just a little tiny guy no bigger than a rold gold pretzel and sat on his own shoulder and had a conversation with himself about the demise of the USA and the burdens put upon us by Obama.

It's as if it's being produced in a sixth grade Audio/Visual class. Except there is a problem with that analogy, virtually every sixth grader I've met in my life is sharper than Glenn Beck.

They don't drug test @ FOXNews, this much I'm certain of.

Just going on and on about Glenn Beck because I want to see him become huge, because from what I understand he will become huge and I will empower him if I just keep posting about him. Smart people keep telling me that.

[RobMoney$]

THE WEBSITES THAT TELL ME WHAT TO THINK TELL ME THAT A TALK SHOW HOST IS TO BLAME FOR AMERICA'S PROBLEMS.
I'M SO MUCH MORE INTELLIGENT THAN THOSE STUPID CONSERVATIVES.

[travesty]

Do you dispute the facts about the mortgages? Because it's pretty well established that deregulation allowed predatory loaning. If you're not kept in check, you pretty much have free reign to act irresponsibly.

100% I disagree with that statement. It is also "pretty well established" that commercial banks would not have taken on the risks associated with subprime loans without some safeguards that they would not have to eat them when they went bad. The actuarials on this is not rocket science. Otherwise they would have been doing it (acting irresponsibly) for many, many years before this happened. What were the safeguards that encouraged their actions?...Frannie and Freddie buying subprime loans from the banks once they were written. Banks were actually forced to make loans that were outside of their normal guidelines by the government in order to maintain standing with the Federal Reserve and meet the guidelines of coomunity investing. That is not in any way shape or form the free market.

I do agree that once the government got the ball rolling by essentially "guaranteeing" these risky loans through Fannie and Freddy, oufits like Golman Sachs, Bear Stearns and AIG tried to horn in on the profits by backing their risky investments themselves instead of selling them off to Fan and Fred. The result were absurd formulations for securitizing mortages and the ominous credit default swaps. However, none of that would have ever happened had the government not created an artifical market for risky and subprime loans.

[RobMoney$]

Banks were actually forced to make loans that were outside of their normal guidelines by the government in order to maintain standing with the Federal Reserve and meet the guidelines of comunity investing. That is not in any way shape or form the free market.


You mean they were forced to meet the governments quotas.
Yes, I can say it,
it was Bill Clinton's quotas.

[DroppinScience]

THE WEBSITES THAT TELL ME WHAT TO THINK TELL ME THAT A TALK SHOW HOST IS TO BLAME FOR AMERICA'S PROBLEMS.
I'M SO MUCH MORE INTELLIGENT THAN THOSE STUPID CONSERVATIVES.

You really are fixated on the notion that we have websites telling us WHAT to think, aren't you? No sir, I have a strongly formed opinion on any given subject and then read things that may or may not reinforce my opinions.

And for the record, if I link ANYTHING on this website, it does not mean I endorse 100% of the content or that it's reflective of my opinion. More than anything, I am sharing information for people to consider. Yeah, I may more or less agree with a Frank Rich column in the NY Times, but that doesn't mean it's my stance.

Bottom line: I read things. You are essentially a functional illiterate who will believe any chain e-mail in your in-box without engaging in any critical thinking.

[yeahwho]

Just checking in.

I'll have an update soon, I'm waiting for the WEBSITES to tell me what to think then I'll be able to post.

[RobMoney$]

I wish I knew how to read slanted websites and news articles.
Apparently I'm a functional illiterate who will believe any chain e-mail in my in-box and I'm unable to apply critical thought.

[DroppinScience]

Just checking in.

I'll have an update soon, I'm waiting for the WEBSITES to tell me what to think then I'll be able to post.

Hey, yeahwho. I think my Ariana Huffington homing beacon is broken. I haven't been told what to think today, so therefore I'm a little helpless today. :(

[RobMoney$]

Hi-5!

[RobMoney$]

It's not odd that Lambert made an appretiation thread about someone he's only seen on Youtube videos.
It's not odd that he's never made an appretiation thread about any other conservative before.
And it's not odd that he did all of this absolutely independent of the fact that his hero Bill Moyers just happened to post an appretiation piece about Buckley which Lambert used as the basis for his entire thread.
And it's also not odd that he regurjitated HuffPo articles on this MB on not only Monday (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=93387), but also on Tuesday (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=93390).



...but Lambert's a free thinker.

[DroppinScience]

So tell me, what have you done that makes you such a "free thinker"?

Oh and what the hell happened to your dictionary? "Appretiate" (twice)? "regurjitated"? Dear lord, I hope you're copying and pasting from message boards that have a better grasp of the English language.

[RobMoney$]

So tell me, what have you done that makes you such a "free thinker"?


I have the ability to read an article of news and understand that I'm only reading the author's spin of the story. I take nothing I read from the press as gospel. You do.

That makes me more of a free thinker than you.

[kaiser soze]

"I'm more free thinkier than you are!"

"uh uh, I'm the free thinkiest!"

seriously guys, your killing this thread...

Beck sucks, Huffington Post sucks, FOX sucks, CNN sucks, and your mom sucks

[saz]

you mean rob kills almost every thread with his trolling.

[DroppinScience]

you mean rob kills almost every thread with his trolling.

Yep. It really doesn't matter how nonsensical his diatribes are, his raison d'etre is to steer away the conversation from the subject at hand about news websites and whether we "think for ourselves." It's symptomatic of a guy who has nothing to say. And he has NO room to argue about any of this since 90% of his posts are cut and paste jobs from other message boards and pretends that he wrote it himself.

He claims to be a critical thinker, but I've yet to see him question The Drudge Report and other right-wing media outlets he quotes on the rare occasions that he doesn't plagiarize.

[Schmeltz]

I have the ability to read an article of news and understand that I'm only reading the author's spin of the story. I take nothing I read from the press as gospel. You do.

That makes me more of a free thinker than you.

On the other hand, you do not have the ability to create your own responses to events or come up with your own ideas about them. Hence your tiresome tendency to copy and paste the ideas of others, and pretend that they are your own, and hope nobody calls you on it, and flail around like a child when they do.

This makes you decidedly less intelligent than... well, most everyone else here. And it shoots your claim to free thinking all to shit.

[yeahwho]

I am sort of surprised to find out Glenn Beck is a Mormon. There's a youtube of him talking about his conversion to the church of LDS that last about 8 minutes and makes you want to cringe.

I'm not all that familiar with the Mormon's mandate but I do on occasion work with a fellow who is a Mormon and not surprisingly he is super conservative, likes Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck.

I know this is trivial and probably everybody already knew Beck was a Mormon, but it kind of surprised me and made perfect sense all at once.

[DroppinScience]

Glenn Beck converted to Mormonism after a downward spiral with alcoholism and drug use. He claims the Mormon faith saved him from that.

[yeahwho]

Well there you go, he's just another recovering alcoholic Mormon baptizing and praying for the dead. Maybe I'll see him some day at an AA meeting if that sort of thing is in his itinerary. But from watching the youtubes I don't think he has the objective ability to have somebody just call bullshit on him.

He isn't a conduit for anything good to happen in my Country. His logic is based in a "Me first then everybody else" ideology that appeals to selfish people. He has the Bush tax break mentality that delivered us mass unemployment, corporate rape and welfare along with the exodus of manufacturing jobs in return for cheap goods from communist countries being sold by aberrations of retail.

He's fucked up, a bag of toxic gas. Another dry drunk.

[Dorothy Wood]

this is pretty funny: http://www.dickipedia.org/dick.php?title=Glenn_Beck

it subtly describes why Beck is such dumb fucker.


in other glenn beck news, he wrote a christmas book? wtf? his name is fucking huge on the cover too, what a wanker!

http://www.amazon.com/Christmas-Sweater-Picture-Book/dp/1416995439/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t


my dude and I saw and read it at the bookstore earlier and it is a piece of crap. the end is hilarious though, it says something like, "and then grandpa slipped a single candy cane into [grandson's] back pocket."

lol

[DroppinScience]

in other glenn beck news, he wrote a christmas book? wtf? his name is fucking huge on the cover too, what a wanker!

http://www.amazon.com/Christmas-Sweater-Picture-Book/dp/1416995439/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t


my dude and I saw and read it at the bookstore earlier and it is a piece of crap. the end is hilarious though, it says something like, "and then grandpa slipped a single candy cane into [grandson's] back pocket."

lol

Yeah, I actually first stumbled across the book in a used bookstore and was so surprised I figured it was a different person named Glenn Beck but then I opened the dust jacket only to see it was the same Beck. Which surprised me since I guess the book just recently came out? I guess someone bought it by accident and then sold it to the used bookstore in disgust. THAT was a quick turnaround.