Too Many Rappers nominated for GRAMMY!

[paulb]

Best Rap Performance By A Duo Or Group
(For duo, group or collaborative performances of Rap only. Singles or Tracks only.)

Too Many Rappers
Beastie Boys & Nas
[Capitol]

http://www.grammy.com/grammy_awards/52nd_show/list.aspx

[Jiberish]

nice.

[Laver1969]

Wow! Maybe this will inspire them to release/leak the video. (y)

[Michelle*s_Farm]

that is nifty. video would be great but who has the time to make one with Yauch recovering I wonder? there were rumours that part of a video was made but this still means it needs to be completed by someone (too spike could not step in to help out).

[Laver1969]

that is nifty. video would be great but who has the time to make one with Yauch recovering I wonder? there were rumours that part of a video was made but this still means it needs to be completed by someone (too spike could not step in to help out).

I just thought the video was done & shelved after the album release was postponed.

[Brother McDuff]

not to be a hater here, but does that song really seem grammy worthy? at all? sure, as a beastie fan i enjoy it, but in reality it's not a great song by any means. i haven't seen the other nominees, but I dont think TMR has any business on the list.

i dunno though, maybe the other nominees are piss poor...:o

[b i o n i c]

love the bboys and eithing, but this songs definately not 'grammy worthy'

[YoungRemy]

so this single got nominated for a Grammy but the rest of the album would not be eligible is what I am gathering...

[Jiberish]

"grammy worthy" or not, it's still nice they get recognized.

Or you could be glass half empty type of person and look at it like "Fresh prince was the first Rap Artist to get a Grammy for a reason"

In the end, Weird Al said it best [I'm paraphrasing]

What changed after I won a Grammy? People called me 'Grammy Winning Artist' Weird Al. After I won more? They called me "Multiple Grammy Winning Artist" Weird Al.

[YoungRemy]

Best Rap Performance By A Duo Or Group
(For duo, group or collaborative performances of Rap only. Singles or Tracks only.)

Too Many Rappers
Beastie Boys & Nas
[Capitol]

Crack A Bottle
Eminem, Dr. Dre & 50 Cent
Track from: Relapse
[Aftermath/Interscope]

Money Goes, Honey Stay
Fabolous & Jay-Z
Track from: Loso's Way
[Def Jam]

Make Her Say
Kid Cudi, Kanye West & Common
[Universal Motown/GOOD Music]

Amazing
Kanye West & Young Jeezy
Track from: 808s & Heartbreak
[Roc-A-Fella]
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they don't have a chance with a low profile song such as TMR, but yes, it's nice to see the recognition from the industry. those other tracks were heard in clubs and radio stations, non-stop...

[MintyFreshBeats]

cool! (y)

[b i o n i c]

i didnt realize what the category was, but why is it called "solo"? edit: whoops

if its just two cool names together..def bboys and nas. but the song was kind of meh

[YoungRemy]

i didnt realize what the category was, but why is it called "solo"?


because I made a mistake pasting... fixed it.

it's for a duo or group

[Brother McDuff]

"grammy worthy" or not, it's still nice they get recognized.


Always. (y)

[pm0ney]

No offense, but how is Crack A Bottle "grammy worthy" and TMR isn't? What exactly does Grammy-worthy mean anyway? Do you guys know how many Grammy's the backstreet boys and N Sync were nominated for? Or Limp Bizkit? Come on with that. I'd expect more from a Beastie Boys board.

[YoungRemy]

I'd expect more from a Beastie Boys board.

it's an obscure track that received a limited release and has hasn't been recognized by any major outlets. I'd say it's an impressive feat considering the company they are up against.

but out of all the other songs in the Beastie catalog, this is the one that gets recognition as a rap performance?

Intergalactic (Rap), Hello Nasty (Alternative), and The Mix Up (Instrumental) currently represent the Beastie Boys' Grammy count.

so to answer your question, a song is grammy worthy when the committee doesn't have enough choices and picks a big name or collaboration out of a hat, it seems...

[Lex Diamonds]

No offence to the Beastie Boys and Nas but Poke Her Face (I refuse to call it by its gay radio edit re-name) is one of the best songs of the year and should definitely win it.

[YoungRemy]

^^

easily...

[Lex Diamonds]

And I just re-listened to TMR and it's bad. Like confusingly bad. I wanted to hear Nas on a track with the boys for years, maybe they just left it too late or something but damn, it didn't work at all.

[Kid Presentable]

I'm surprised at that Paddy, but kind of not. People have really hated the song, and I guess it was only a matter of time until I found out which side of the fence you were on. Interesting.

I play it constantly, even now. Shit I'm happy if I'm the only one who likes it. I know it's not earth shattering, but still I'm a guilty pleasures kinda guy. I should be embarassed I suppose, but I'm too old now to give a fuck. /groupie

I don't think, reading this, that there is any way they're ever going to creatively meet the expectations of this community en masse. Maybe they don't have the fire, or maybe the 'hip new sound' market is far more saturated than it was in the 90s and 80s. Seems like turning to the Beasties for what's up isn't the done thing nowadays.

I think it's possibly time they tried to do something that they haven't done. t's like Hello Nasty was a big plate of food, and they've been kind of stuck on the between-course sorbet ever since. I really believe they won't take that step, though. Love to be wrong etc etc.

I can tell, though, that the fact I really like TMR is just me acknowledging that I am such a fan of them as people that I'm very hard to disappoint at this stage.

As a giant aside, interesting that The Prunes came up in the Clash interview. I'd love it if they'd been considering that again. Dark European hip-hop and ambient beats (check out Peder's solo album) + Cancer + Fickle Fan Community + Uncertain future + Five Multi-instrumentalists (to an extent -7 if you bring in Mark and Fredo) = something that would transcend the last 10 years of their work. Oh well.

EDIT: And Crack a Bottle goes fucking hard, too.

[Kid Presentable]

Christ, even I wish I'd shut up sometimes. :(

[pm0ney]

I'm surprised at that Paddy, but kind of not. People have really hated the song, and I guess it was only a matter of time until I found out which side of the fence you were on. Interesting.

I play it constantly, even now. Shit I'm happy if I'm the only one who likes it. I know it's not earth shattering, but still I'm a guilty pleasures kinda guy. I should be embarassed I suppose, but I'm too old now to give a fuck. /groupie

I don't think, reading this, that there is any way they're ever going to creatively meet the expectations of this community en masse. Maybe they don't have the fire, or maybe the 'hip new sound' market is far more saturated than it was in the 90s and 80s. Seems like turning to the Beasties for what's up isn't the done thing nowadays.

I think it's possibly time they tried to do something that they haven't done. t's like Hello Nasty was a big plate of food, and they've been kind of stuck on the between-course sorbet ever since. I really believe they won't take that step, though. Love to be wrong etc etc.

I can tell, though, that the fact I really like TMR is just me acknowledging that I am such a fan of them as people that I'm very hard to disappoint at this stage.

As a giant aside, interesting that The Prunes came up in the Clash interview. I'd love it if they'd been considering that again. Dark European hip-hop and ambient beats (check out Peder's solo album) + Cancer + Fickle Fan Community + Uncertain future + Five Multi-instrumentalists (to an extent -7 if you bring in Mark and Fredo) = something that would transcend the last 10 years of their work. Oh well.

EDIT: And Crack a Bottle goes fucking hard, too.

This is a great post, and it doesn't just pertain to the Beastie Boys. U2 will never release another "Joshua Tree", Red Hot Chili Peppers will never release another "Blood Sugar Sex Magic." Beastie Boys will never release another "Licensed To Ill." The initial splash that a major group makes is what they are always most remembered for, and is also the reason why the majority of songs you hear on the radio are from artist's first or 2nd albums. The fact that the Beasties were able to make classics from LTI to HN is a testament to their creativity. But they will never be able to recreate that magic, and they will never be as relevant as they were back in their heyday. But that goes for every group. I'm just enjoying the shit out of this new stuff because its fresh, and better than anything I've heard from them in a decade. Which is saying a lot. And who knows, maybe HSC has a track on there that will blow up mainstream.

[b i o n i c]

whoa, kid.. simma down nah.. its just a song

it sounds unfinished and the bass line is sloppy.. it all sounds disjointed to me. it has its moments, but no. i think a good producer could turn this into a banga, i just think that the beasties as producers are hit and miss. like the beatles needed george martin, or at even how john and paul wrote their best stuff together and acted as editors for each other. i think they do probably have all the good ideas but sometimes it takes an outside ear to be objective.. tighten this, polish that.. etc. my verdict: TMR = (n)

its ok to not like something once in a while

[Kid Presentable]

This is a great post, and it doesn't just pertain to the Beastie Boys. U2 will never release another "Joshua Tree", Red Hot Chili Peppers will never release another "Blood Sugar Sex Magic." Beastie Boys will never release another "Licensed To Ill." The initial splash that a major group makes is what they are always most remembered for, and is also the reason why the majority of songs you hear on the radio are from artist's first or 2nd albums. The fact that the Beasties were able to make classics from LTI to HN is a testament to their creativity. But they will never be able to recreate that magic, and they will never be as relevant as they were back in their heyday. But that goes for every group. I'm just enjoying the shit out of this new stuff because its fresh, and better than anything I've heard from them in a decade. Which is saying a lot. And who knows, maybe HSC has a track on there that will blow up mainstream.

Got to admit though, those one-time big groups reached out (or back in, in the case of the Chillis and John Frusciante) and re-ignited the spark. U2 and were fucked in the late 90s and they're back in the shit. Californication went right around Blood Sugar, didn't even try to recreate it and for my money it's probably as good, end to end, as Blood Sugar.

The whole 'hipness' and 'relevance' thing is really a sign of the times; but they could still make great, great music. The last truly risky collaborative step they took was hooking up with Mixmaster Mike, and that paid ooooooofffff. HSC will probably be pretty sick. I'm not trying to say it won't, since it's not even out yet. But a big, interesting creative step, at this late stage in their recording career, shit what's to lose?

[Kid Presentable]

whoa, kid.. simma down nah.. its just a song

it sounds unfinished and the bass line is sloppy.. it all sounds disjointed to me. it has its moments, but no. i think a good producer could turn this into a banga, i just think that the beasties as producers are hit and miss. like the beatles needed george martin, or at even how john and paul wrote their best stuff together and acted as editors for each other. i think they do probably have all the good ideas but sometimes it takes an outside ear to be objective.. tighten this, polish that.. etc. my verdict: TMR = (n)


I was just typing. No need for me to simmer down. I'm not on the boil, just typing. My kernels haven't popped. It's not time to add butter and milk, or put me through a sieve.

its ok to not like something once in a while

Yeah, you may or may not recall my encounters with The Mix Up. This isn't some fanboy shit, so I'd appreciate you reading and responding to the words in the post.

[b i o n i c]

oh all right

[brooklyndust]

To quote chuck d: “who gives a fuck about a Goddamn Grammy”

[Kid Presentable]

Sorry guys, for the posts. I'm about to head to work, and felt like getting my type on. (n)

[b i o n i c]

sall good in the hood with chicken and wood .. ain no thang but a bbq chicken wang

so is there a two men eat wrappers acapella anywhere yet.. i want to hear what some remixers will do to it(y)

ps; right on brooklyndust

[cj hood]

not to be a hater here, but does that song really seem grammy worthy? at all? sure, as a beastie fan i enjoy it, but in reality it's not a great song by any means. i haven't seen the other nominees, but I dont think TMR has any business on the list.

i dunno though, maybe the other nominees are piss poor...:o

strange thought i know....

[Brother McDuff]

I think it's possibly time they tried to do something that they haven't done. t's like Hello Nasty was a big plate of food, and they've been kind of stuck on the between-course sorbet ever since. I really believe they won't take that step, though. Love to be wrong etc etc.

I can tell, though, that the fact I really like TMR is just me acknowledging that I am such a fan of them as people that I'm very hard to disappoint at this stage.


This is a great post, and it doesn't just pertain to the Beastie Boys.

First off, these two posts (in their entirety) were solid IMO. Very thoughtful, if I may reflect...

It's really quite an accomplishment when groups who have already been immortalized for whatever body work continue to really push themselves and more often than not succeed. Each of the bands mentioned in Pmoney's post fall into that category. The cool thing about the beasties is that I think their tenure went even a little longer than the normal "consistent" career template. Will they ever live up to their past achievements? Of course not, for dozens of reasons, most beyond their own control.

But I digress. At this stage in their career, I don't think they're really that interested in pushing it real hard. They're just having fun. Loose music. They're not bleeding over their material anymore, which is fine, especially considering how serious they'd taken it through the first 20 years of their career. Will it come back around? I wouldn't hold my breath. Life and age has caught up with them (i.e. family, other interests, relaxation, less to prove, etc.). But luckily as Kid pointed out, many of us are already sold. Anything they put out at this point really, whether mind-blowing or mediocre, will put a smile on our faces. And that's something that can't be taken away.(y)

[silence7]

I want to see them win it for two reasons:

1. Because it would be cool, duh

2. So that when Kanye jumps up on the stage to claim his song is better, Nas can knock his block off.

Probably wouldn't happen, but it's fun to dream..

[MintyFreshBeats]

whoa, kid.. simma down nah.. its just a song

it sounds unfinished and the bass line is sloppy.. it all sounds disjointed to me. it has its moments, but no. i think a good producer could turn this into a banga, i just think that the beasties as producers are hit and miss. like the beatles needed george martin, or at even how john and paul wrote their best stuff together and acted as editors for each other. i think they do probably have all the good ideas but sometimes it takes an outside ear to be objective.. tighten this, polish that.. etc. my verdict: TMR = (n)

its ok to not like something once in a while

id like your take on the remix I did of the song...

www.doublecheckyourhead.com

the last track in the audio player

thanks

-max

[YoungRemy]

yo max, the tmr remix is fucking dope, especially with the bells from Strawberry Letter 23...

[b i o n i c]

id like your take on the remix I did of the song...

www.doublecheckyourhead.com

the last track in the audio player

thanks

-max


first, ive had that version on my itunes and dont skip it.. so (y)(y)

if you ask, the only tweaks i woulda made would be take out that higher pitched sound that you use then mca comes in.
and maybe more emphasis on a couple of lines.. but shits tight as fuck still

however.. i prefer this mix to the original instrumental x 100

love the accoutrements like biz, the fax modem, bells @ adrocks first line.. thats a reference to sometihng i cant think of what it is(y)

ps, i dont mind a little promo, aint no shame in your game

[Jiberish]

I want to see them win it for two reasons:

...

2. So that when Kanye jumps up on the stage to claim his song is better, Nas can knock his block off.


Beastie Boys will win it, Kanye jumps up on stage to protest, NAS has his fist raised about to knock Kanye's block off. When all of a sudden, Hornblower shows up out of nowhere to take the punch for Kanye while yelling " I had all the good ideas for your first two albums!"

[Brother McDuff]

2. So that when Kanye jumps up on the stage to claim his song is better, Nas can knock his block off.

I would pay good money for this outcome.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

i think the beasties have several good albums left in them. especially albums as good as LTI, PB, CYH, IC, HN, TTFB. Age is relative (until yer dead). what i mean is that as long as you come into the creative space (studio or what not) with some solid ideas, the work will stand the test of time regardless of the age of a genuinely original performer (s) who does not sell themselves short (e.g., whore oneself). I think each beasties' album is different but actually each album has tracks which are equally classic (the best tracks on the TTFB are as good as anything off the other albums). HSC will have several tracks that stand the test of time. that is all that matters (to me). convoluted points i know. but hey that's me.

[pshabi]

I fee like I'm the only one who loves the song. TMR is good shit.

[dave790]

I like it, it's better than anything it's up against.

[M.C. Guevera]

I was all ready to rant and rave and post "If the Beastie Boys lose to Lil' Wayne, I'm gonna scream!" That was my first reaction when I saw the thread title.

...Then I actually read the thread and saw that he wasn't even nominated. In fact, none of the songs nominated actively suck hard. Honestly, "Make Her Say" is the best of the bunch and the one that should win. To sum it up: if the Beasties lose (which they probably will), I won't be too upset at all.

And I write this as someone who likes "Too Many Rappers".

[KevG]

not to be a hater here, but does that song really seem grammy worthy? at all? sure, as a beastie fan i enjoy it, but in reality it's not a great song by any means. i haven't seen the other nominees, but I dont think TMR has any business on the list.

i dunno though, maybe the other nominees are piss poor...:o


The Beasties song is not worthy of this nomination. They've had 100 songs better than that that didn't get recognized (see side a hello nasty)... They ONLY got nominated because they are the Beastie Boys...

No offense, but how is Crack A Bottle "grammy worthy" and TMR isn't? What exactly does Grammy-worthy mean anyway? Do you guys know how many Grammy's the backstreet boys and N Sync were nominated for? Or Limp Bizkit? Come on with that. I'd expect more from a Beastie Boys board.

"Crack a Bottle" is more worthy of the nod than "Too Many Rappers" simply because people HEARD that track. I am sure there were 5 songs better this year than "Crack a Bottle" but they HAD to nominate Eminem, it is in their rule book.. True story... The Backstreet Boys and NSync deserved all of their grammys simply because people liked them, they sold tons of records, and they were better than all the other shit they were going against. Limp Bizkit straight up sucks so I have no argument for them.

[MintyFreshBeats]

yo max, the tmr remix is fucking dope, especially with the bells from Strawberry Letter 23...

thank you remy i appreciate it


first, ive had that version on my itunes and dont skip it.. so (y)(y)

if you ask, the only tweaks i woulda made would be take out that higher pitched sound that you use then mca comes in.
and maybe more emphasis on a couple of lines.. but shits tight as fuck still

however.. i prefer this mix to the original instrumental x 100

love the accoutrements like biz, the fax modem, bells @ adrocks first line.. thats a reference to sometihng i cant think of what it is(y)

ps, i dont mind a little promo, aint no shame in your game

cool bionic! i appreciate the feedback and constructive criticism as well.
I have a soft spot for the fax modem too.

the only reason i brought this project back up is because your original post was obviously so closely related - not trying to spam this biotch - i just value yall opinions (y)

furthermore, id love to see them get the grammy. :)

[M.C. Guevera]

I miss the layered beats. I think that's my biggest complaint about current era Beastie Boys. I miss hearing beats and finding out just how many samples they were made out of. I like how their production was back then. And it's not sample clearance issues either. On Check Your Head and Ill Communication and a bit on Hello Nasty, they were able to craft fine ass beats with just 6 or 7 samples instead of 20 or 30. I love hearing just the instrumentals and spotting the different samples. I am amazed at how well they go together, and how sometimes there are 3 or more samples going on at once!

I'm not really a fan of the computer, electronic beats. Not really my style. It's ironic that the Beasties are so into new technology when they seem very intent on keeping things old school and retro at the same time ("I'm still listening to wax, not using the CD!").

I am listening to "Alright, Hear This" as I type this post.

[Brother McDuff]

I miss the layered beats. I think that's my biggest complaint about current era Beastie Boys. I miss hearing beats and finding out just how many samples they were made out of. I like how their production was back then. And it's not sample clearance issues either. On Check Your Head and Ill Communication and a bit on Hello Nasty, they were able to craft fine ass beats with just 6 or 7 samples instead of 20 or 30. I love hearing just the instrumentals and spotting the different samples. I am amazed at how well they go together, and how sometimes there are 3 or more samples going on at once!

I'm not really a fan of the computer, electronic beats. Not really my style. It's ironic that the Beasties are so into new technology when they seem very intent on keeping things old school and retro at the same time ("I'm still listening to wax, not using the CD!").

I am listening to "Alright, Hear This" as I type this post.

Word up. I'm all for hearing the beasties toy around with new things, but I'd love to see them revisit that sound once more before they call it quits. The layers are where it's at for me too. (y)

[Kid Presentable]

I think the word for Hot Sauce Committee will be 'bionic'.

Either you're happy to accept their limitations and enjoy some music that was made in the spirit of fun, or you're not I guess. There must be a scientific way to determine if you are no longer a fan. Scientifically, I still am. (y)

[Michelle*s_Farm]

personally i am done with the nostalgia trip. the band is too good for that crap. i do not want to hear the beastie boys release new albums that sound like their old albums. this is why i like TT5B and HSC as they are novel sounds and show they have departed from their past sounds (which was by no means perfect anyway). the band appears to be in search of something new and hey i want them to find it. fuck the past techniques, equipment or producers. i remain confident that their best album (s) is / are ahead of them regardless of whether or not they use twitteringly shiney or annoying gadgets rewired for sound (e.g., how about an 808 connected to an ibanez tube screamer overdrive pedal?). i think the naysayers are wrong about the band and it is just a matter of time before the beasties knock everyone's socks off with something over the top wonderful. we will see in the new year if HSC is just what the doctor ordered.

[Kid Presentable]

I miss the layered beats. I think that's my biggest complaint about current era Beastie Boys. I miss hearing beats and finding out just how many samples they were made out of. I like how their production was back then. And it's not sample clearance issues either. On Check Your Head and Ill Communication and a bit on Hello Nasty, they were able to craft fine ass beats with just 6 or 7 samples instead of 20 or 30. I love hearing just the instrumentals and spotting the different samples. I am amazed at how well they go together, and how sometimes there are 3 or more samples going on at once!

I'm not really a fan of the computer, electronic beats. Not really my style. It's ironic that the Beasties are so into new technology when they seem very intent on keeping things old school and retro at the same time ("I'm still listening to wax, not using the CD!").

I am listening to "Alright, Hear This" as I type this post.

No offence, but the layered beats thing is kind of a tired argument. Alright Hear This is pretty much as layered as High Plains Drifter or Egg Man, and they come from the most layered era of the group. Stand Together is one of their least layered tracks and it's incredible. Hello Nasty was layered to hell. So what does layering really do? It's just a reason not to like the new stuff more than it's a cry for the past. Seems that way, at least.

Besides, they layer the beats, people move on to complaining about the rhymes. Princess layer.

I get your point, I just think you're over-stating how layered things were. Sure a lot more things have come in and out at different times on older tracks (Prof Booty or Jimmy James for example), and there was more variety in the song structure, but I don't know that it was always layering. Pass the Mic,Car Thief, Shake your Rump, sure. But Rhymin and Stealin, Stop that Train, Sure Shot, Do It and Root Down weren't and they go hizzard.

[b i o n i c]

I think the word for Hot Sauce Committee will be 'bionic'.

:confused: :confused: ? :confused: :confused:

[KevG]

For the record, Max's remix of TMR is 1000X better than the bBoys 12" version..

[M.C. Guevera]

IMO, on it's own, To The 5 Boroughs is a GREAT GREAT record. It's fun all around, even if the Bush lyrics date it a little. It's when I compare it to their earlier stuff does the quality drop a bit. When I first brought the album, I wasn't a hardcore Beastie Boys fan. I had Paul's Boutique, but I shockingly didn't listen to it at all. I brought Check Your Head on the same day I brought TT5B because Check Your Head was the one Beastie Boys album I had no idea existed. I listened to CYH first, and then TT5B. This was less than a week after TT5B was released (I brought it the Sunday after it came out), and I thought TT5B was the best album in the history of civilization when I first heard it.

Then, over the next 15 months I got the rest of their catalogue, and listened to everything a thousand times, and suddenly TT5B kind of dropped in my eyes. I still like it, but it's a little bit low on my list of favourite Beastie Boys albums. At least to me it is. Your mileage may vary.

On the other end of the spectrum, Hello Nasty has gotten BETTER with age, I feel. It still sounds slamming 11 years later. I remember putting it on one night and feeling like I was listening to it for the first time. I was STILL blown away by it! I don't usually listen to it from start to finish, but when I do, it still sounds brand new and as sweet as ever!

And I've only heard The Mix Up exactly two times in my entire life.

My point (and there is one), is that, from what I've heard of Hot Sauce Committee, it ain't going to be a repeat of To The 5 Boroughs and it sure as hell ain't gonna be no repeat of The Mix Up. It sounds exciting and fresh, yet at the same time a throwback to the days of Check Your Head and Ill Communication. You feel me? It's got that vibe of something that they've never done before...yet at the same time, it feels like they're revisiting their prime years. It's new and old all at the same time! I'm very much interested in this one and I am GREATLY anticipating its release!

[Kid Presentable]

For the record, Max's remix of TMR is 1000X better than the bBoys 12" version..

I'm gonna play the 'Beastie Boys may be reading this' card and say fuck no. You made that remark before, and it's weird, like you think it's a competition or some shit. It's just another remix.

[b i o n i c]

why are you getting so mad? YOU'RE making it like a competition. and im pretty sure no one but us is reading this, dont worry!

i think max's remix is a little more than just another remix.. the kid has serious skills and looks like he's put a lot more than the average amount of time into the whole thing. no need to get indignant at people for... *gasp*... god forbid... liking his instrumental more. blasphemy! ain no thang but a chicken wang

i really love 95% of what i've heard so far. i happen to really enjoy one of the remixes more than the original, and one of the remixes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_EVVVzVMEM) i thought is gonna probably be better than the original even though no ones heard it and i may be wrong. so what?

im almost positive this will be their best album since hello nasty(y)

i stand by my spacebar. long live los beastie boys(y)

[Kid Presentable]

why are you getting so mad? YOU'RE making it like a competition. and im pretty sure no one but us is reading this, dont worry!


You project way too much. I'm not mad, not even remotely. I don't get why you think that, whenever I (Allah forbid) defend the Beastie Boys.

[b i o n i c]

you sound mad or hurt or someshit..

what does the word for hsc will be bionic mean

[Kid Presentable]

you sound mad or hurt or someshit..

You can't hear me.

[KevG]

I'm gonna play the 'Beastie Boys may be reading this' card and say fuck no. You made that remark before, and it's weird, like you think it's a competition or some shit. It's just another remix.


I don't care if they are reading this, I'll say it to all of their faces... Doesn't matter. It's a fact. And like dude said, it's no ordinary remix, Max put a lot of talent and time into it.. Take that and add the fact that I don't care much for the original instrumental and there you go. I don't care about competition unless I am competing and that is clearly not the case..

[BeastieRunner]

I want to see them win if only to have Hornblower or Sasquatch mess with Kayne. Or if Kayne wins, I bet one of those two jumps on stage.

Aces!

[Burnout18]

I like and agree with what michellesfarm said. I like a band or any artist, that evolves.

And thank god they have evolved. I look forward to checking out the new album to see what crazy shit they came with this time.

[Brother McDuff]

No offence, but the layered beats thing is kind of a tired argument. Alright Hear This is pretty much as layered as High Plains Drifter or Egg Man, and they come from the most layered era of the group. Stand Together is one of their least layered tracks and it's incredible. Hello Nasty was layered to hell. So what does layering really do? It's just a reason not to like the new stuff more than it's a cry for the past. Seems that way, at least.


Well, layering doesn't necessarily require revisiting an old style. You said it yourself, there are all different ways to be layered. Whether it's a whole buncha things sandwiched on toppa each other for the duration (i.e. HN), or alotta things that burst in for a split second and then are gone forever (i.e. CYH), or a combination of the two, there's no one way to create textures. I can only speak for myself, but when I yearn for a bit more "fullness", I'm speaking on just a little bit more "going on" in a beat persay. Not complaining though by any means.

It's like appreciating Martin Scorsese's catalogue of films. He's a masterful filmmaker of various genres. The overwhelming majority of his projects are hellishly entertaining, though you still kinda secretly pull for another gangster flick every now and again. And whenever he does decide to hit it again, it's still yet a whole new take on it.

[Kid Presentable]

Well, layering doesn't necessarily require revisiting an old style. You said it yourself, there are all different ways to be layered. Whether it's a whole buncha things sandwiched on toppa each other for the duration (i.e. HN), or alotta things that burst in for a split second and then are gone forever (i.e. CYH), or a combination of the two, there's no one way to create textures. I can only speak for myself, but when I yearn for a bit more "fullness", I'm speaking on just a little bit more "going on" in a beat persay. Not complaining though by any means.

It's like appreciating Martin Scorsese's catalogue of films. He's a masterful filmmaker of various genres. The overwhelming majority of his projects are hellishly entertaining, though you still kinda secretly pull for another gangster flick every now and again. And whenever he does decide to hit it again, it's still yet a whole new take on it.

I dunno man. Layers. Do you like more "going on" in every beat you hear? Or is it just a standard you hold the B Boys to? Do you not like 'Top Billin' or 'Sucker MCs'? Cause them Beastie Boys aren't always purveyors of beats with a lot "going on" and that type shit (*cough* LTI) is gold, too. Scorcese, well people think he lost his creative edge when he got old. I hope there's not an analogy in your point there.

Anyway, Drederick is surprised people still like them. Remy, mickill and bionic think TMR is weak. Hood hasn't really liked liked a thing they've done in a while. Guido is in ban-land cleaning Sal's fishtank. Robert the Mirthless hasn't remarked, which I assume is a damning critique. Miramanee is convinced that she is in charge of the fans and continues to muckrake. Laver is pretty much the most mellow Beastie General poster ever. KevG is the victim of a childhood head injury. Padster shitted on TMR, also. I cussed out the Mix Up but loved TT5B which most people cussed out. People keep talking layers, and if it's not layers, it's the "weak lyrics". If it's not this, it's that. If it's not that or this, it's them. Them, those or thine.

I'm about at the point where I have liked, by and large, everything that I've heard from this Hot Sauce thing. I can't explain why, and it's not a scientific solution, so I have no easy answer and expect nobody to care, understand, nor agree. But I sat under a gazebo today, drinking cider, and watching my 4 year old niece and nephew have the time of their lives at a kid's birthday party, and I figured there's worse things in this weird old life than not liking a Beastie Boys song or album. And I'm sure they (the Beastie Boys) would agree.

MCA coming back from the cancer thing gives them a pass from here on out for me. They keep coming with ideas, good or bad, whatever, I'll cheer til I'm hoarse at the first post-parotid show I attend. Fuck it. We do this dance every time a song or album is spoken about, it is what it is.

*cracks Cider*

[b i o n i c]

why are you getting so mad?
sad/hurt/mopey/sulky/poopy/sentimental

jeeezis!

[Laver1969]

I Laver is pretty much the most mellow Beastie General poster ever.

Ever...wow. Cool. I've been way busy with work so I'm hanging low on here lately.

I'll chime in on the new stuff. TMR is great! I'm not much a fan of collabos but all in all with headphones on TMR is very tight.

Pop Your Balloon is my favorite so far.

BBITC - was my favorite but just listened to it again and it's lost a little of its original punch for me.

Lee Majors - is way nice...but I like the hiphop more than the punkish vibe.

I drank the bboy kool-aid a long time ago so I'm easily pleased. :)

[Michelle*s_Farm]

i think the BBMB "kids are alright" and def presentable (y)

reference for those who have no idea what i am on about (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTpyocmlzcM)

[Kid Presentable]

sad/hurt/mopey/sulky/poopy/sentimental

jeeezis!

Nah man, wrong again. I'm feeling great. I'm just getting used to writing at length, as I'm composing a screenplay in the style of "league of extraordinary gentlemen" about famous works of art that come to life and form a crime-fighting squad. (y)

[Brother McDuff]

I dunno man. Layers. Do you like more "going on" in every beat you hear? Or is it just a standard you hold the B Boys to? Do you not like 'Top Billin' or 'Sucker MCs'? Cause them Beastie Boys aren't always purveyors of beats with a lot "going on" and that type shit (*cough* LTI) is gold, too.


There's really no deep meaning to it; I just enjoy how the bboys freak lots of things together. Not so much a 'standard' as an inclination. I love everything else too. As many of us clearly celebrate their entire catalogue, I still think it's safe to say there are probably certain styles of theirs that you yourself particularly favor as well.

On the "everybody's got something to complain about" tip, though, I don't think it's always dissing or hating, so much as it's just something to discuss. Just a matter of dissection. Speaking for myself, my expressing a fondess for their thicker beats surely doesn't equate to dissing the rest. I surely hope that's not how it seems at least. :o

[Michelle*s_Farm]

I like and agree with what michellesfarm said. I like a band or any artist, that evolves.

And thank god they have evolved. I look forward to checking out the new album to see what crazy shit they came with this time.

Yes evolution (i.e., change over time) has been the key to their widespread critical success. Some people think the new work by the band reveals that they are victims of their past success (although I have a hard time fully understanding what that could possibly mean). Perhaps it means that many people want another PB, CYI, IC (or insert fave album name).

My current view is that we already have those great albums and having another (reformulated and updated for 2010) would not really be satisfying to us (upon close scrutiny). I wonder sometimes if there are at least two castes of beastie fans who have developed over time: (a) Caste one: fans who want the band to capture the popularity of one of their previous albums (this would indicate to this caste that the new release was a mega success): versus (b) Caste two: fans who want the band to capture the imagination of the hippest music and cultural critics. Some fans could be members of some sort of hybrid caste of the above or scoff at these ideals simply saying "fuck it -- let the Beastie Boys do what they want as long as it means something to them!" I am now 'part' of this latter camp. I feel the rest (i.e., critical acclaim etc) will fall into place overtime as it has for every other full-length they have done because the band makes albums that mean something to them.

[Kid Presentable]

I get the impression from the smattering of press that Part 2 will be truly bizarre.