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Michelle*s_Farm
12-15-2009, 06:09 AM
Iranians outed by uranium deuteride? - December 14, 2009

The Times (of London) has a big spread today, which reportedly outs the Iranian nuclear programme. Documents from "an Asian intelligence source" show that, in 2007, the Iranians were preparing experiments with uranium deuteride in order to develop a neutron "initiator" for a nuclear bomb. That would be four years after they claimed to have stopped their bomb programme.

Nuclear weapons are all about getting enough uranium into a small enough space to trigger a boom. The simplest nuclear bomb is a "gun type" device, in which a critical mass is assembled by firing a uranium plug into a doughnut-shaped ring at high speed (or visa vice versa). When the plug and doughnut are united, the bomb goes critical and explodes.

It works alright, but compression is better. Modern bombs use explosives to compress a sphere of Uranium-235 or (better still) Plutonium-239 until it reaches a critical density. Helping in the process is an "initiator" at the bomb's core, which sends out a burst of perfectly timed neutrons that trigger the explosion.

And that's where uranium deuteride comes in. The Iranian documents appear to call for a research programme into using uranium deuteride as a neutron initiator. The Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS) has a little graph explaining how this works:

This type of initiator works by the high explosives compressing the nuclear core and the initiator, producing a spurt of neutrons as a result of fusion in D-D [deuterium-deuterium] reactions. The neutrons flood the core of weapon-grade uranium and initiate the chain reaction. It does not boost the yield.
Initiators are important because if they don't work, your bomb might not either. The most widely described design uses combination of beryllium and polonium. Basically helium atoms (alpha particles) from the decay of the polonium trigger a big neutron flux in the beryllium. The US and others use more sophisticated initiators that slam tritium into a deuterated target, initiating fusion and, in the process, creating a precise pulse of neutrons.

UD3 is kind of an unusual material for an initiator. Where would Iran have gotten an idea? Hmm… Well as Jeffrey Lewis at Arms Control Wonk points out, it might have been everybody's favourite nuclear smuggler AQ Khan. This photo, from the cover of Khan's own book, show's a pretty bomb design. And what did Khan have as the initiator? Why it's "Uran-Deuteride"!

ACW has a great discussion about how the Chinese fooled around with UD3 in the 1980s, and ISIS has posted the original documents from the Times story here. For my own offering of uranium deuteride trivia, I'll point out that the US apparently tested a bomb made entirely of the stuff back in 1953. The test was part of the Upshot-Knothole series, although it didn't have anything to do with initiators, so far as I can tell.
Posted by Geoff Brumfiel on December 14, 2009

Source One (http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2009/12/iranians_outted_by_uranium_deu.html)(comment on Times piece)

Source Two (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6955351.ece) (original Times piece)

yeahwho
12-15-2009, 11:11 AM
I'm not so sure about the United Kingdom or United States initial response but I generally have an excellent feel about Israel and their first response to Iranian nuclear bomb making.

Israel stands ready to bomb Iran's nuclear sites (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6115903.ece)

Iran had better be producing multiple nukes on a large scale in a very secretive way. Otherwise it's bye bye bombs, time to start all over again.

eddiecee
12-15-2009, 08:59 PM
If Iran keeps this up, the Caspian sea might have an expansion, if you know what I mean:D

saz
12-15-2009, 09:17 PM
yeah, war war war :rolleyes:

travesty
12-16-2009, 01:37 AM
Is Iran making a Nuke?.....Hmmmm
Are the Kennedy's gun-shy?:D

Echewta
12-16-2009, 02:18 AM
Is Iran making a Nuke?.....Hmmmm
Do Republicans buy ranches just to get elected? :D

ericg
12-16-2009, 05:45 PM
they just want to be on the same level as the rest of the bomb making countries... i think if push comes to shove... i heard they already had people in our country ready to use bio warfare if anything should happen to them. war has gone on for too long. if iran can't have a nuke, then no one should. disassemble all nukes and live with it.

yeahwho
12-16-2009, 06:54 PM
Humans have a problem with power and the ways and means to obtain power. So after the Genie left the bottle those who found weapons to dictate power decided to make up an organization that let them control power.

Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=1714395) (look at the red colored states)International Atomic Energy Agency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Atomic_Energy_Agency)

So here we are over a half of a decade later shitting our pants as our technologies, education and scientific advancements make it easier and easier to just go ahead and develop these weapons.

Unfortunately for those with the desire to make new nukes, the same advancements that make nuclear weaponry easier also makes detection of the manufacture of such weapons easier.

It's insanity on another level that continues to boggle my mind daily. From a high of 65,000 active weapons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons)in 1985, there are now about 8,000 active nuclear warheads and about 23,300 total nuclear warheads in the world in 2009. Many of the "decommissioned" weapons were simply stored or partially dismantled, not destroyed.

travesty
12-16-2009, 07:37 PM
That's the big skeeve that I always though was such a scam. Thousands of missles ready to be re-activated without a lot of effort. Probabaly easier than restoring a '65 Mustang. I guess the problem with actually dismantling them is where to put all the waste. What is little known is that a large portion of it is providing power to our homes right now (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/10/business/energy-environment/10nukes.html).

You are right though, the Genie is out of the bottle. Someone will always want one and thus find a way to get one. However, as we all know having a gun is rarely the best way to avoid getting killed by someone with a gun. I think the nuclear arms race amongst the superpowers has kind of petered out as better nuclear detection and defense systems have been developed. Maybe someday we can find a bulletproof vest type solution that will make nukes irrelevant.