Crack.

[Kid Presentable]

Friend is on crack. I had loaned him 500 bucks a little while ago, to "help with a bill". To his full credit he paid it all back. Other people may not have been so lucky.

Ready to help him get off it and figure his life out, but a small part of me is like "fuck it, why should I?". I feel like that's so harsh, though.

[Ty Webb]

it's easy to get frustrated when a friend's addicted, and it might take more than a few relapses if he/she gets over it. but if they really want help you can't give up on them and say "fuck it," they're ill.

[Kid Presentable]

He made this decision. I know that's not 100% the best attitude to take, but he made this decision.

[RobMoney$]

It's not about when you're ready to help, it's about when he's ready to recieve it.
Sorry if that sounds like some fucked cliche, but it's the truth.

[Kid Presentable]

We were going to put him up here, but neither of us can handle him having a key.

[Ty Webb]

It's not about when you're ready to help, it's about when he's ready to recieve it.
Sorry if that sounds like some fucked cliche, but it's the truth.

yup

[RobMoney$]

I'd suggest offering him a place to stay only if he agrees to get some counciling and to stay clean.
The minute you see him high, he's got to go.

If he's at the point where he's ready to get clean, he'll go for it.
Hopefully he's there. If not, don't even allow him to sit on your doorstep.
The worst thing you can do for him is to become an enabler.

[nodanaonlyzuul]

It's not about when you're ready to help, it's about when he's ready to recieve it.
Sorry if that sounds like some fucked cliche, but it's the truth.

thirded.

[TurdBerglar]

what makes someone decide... hey im gonna try CRACK today!

[checkyourprez]

what makes someone decide... hey im gonna try CRACK today!

not enough cash for coke.

[hpdrifter]

I have that same thought about heroin. Who decides to get into that shit and why?

[RobMoney$]

Because drugs lose their thrill after a while, so you try something more hardcore to try to find that thrill again.

You smoke some weed,
then maybe you start doing some scripts because there's no weed anywhere,
then maybe coke,
then maybe LSD,
then maybe Dust,

then one day your dust dealer is out of dust, but he's got some crack and you really wanna get high so you figure FUCK IT.
I've done weed, percs, coke, LSD, dust, (and chances are multiple items at the same time)
How bad can crack be? I can handle it, I've handled worse drugs.
One time ain't gonna kill me, I can do any drug, BRING IT ON.

Next thing you know you're smoking crack and normal people can't figure out why you'd even fuck with something like that.

[Bob]

what makes someone decide... hey im gonna try CRACK today!

i do have to wonder about that. i mean it seems like at this point, crack has been around so long that everyone and their mother knows what it is and what it does to people, i don't really see why you'd say "alright yeah, sounds fun".

maybe it's a slow suicide thing, like the bug chaser thing

[MC Moot]

I'd highly advise against offering up your home until he's undergone medically supervised detox and is commited to working a supervised program...preferably residentially based outside of a friends or families domicile...this is is much easier for me to say than it may apply to your situation...I have a hand in the treatment field and I know the process...where I live (although still totally overwhelmed)the system is workable and "free",far from utopian...yeah...be wary,be compassionate,be wary...best wishes...

[checkyourprez]

Because drugs lose their thrill after a while, so you try something more hardcore to try to find that thrill again.

You smoke some weed,
then maybe you start doing some scripts because there's no weed anywhere,
then maybe coke,
then maybe LSD,
then maybe Dust,

then one day your dust dealer is out of dust, but he's got some crack and you really wanna get high so you figure FUCK IT.
I've done weed, percs, coke, LSD, dust, (and chances are multiple items at the same time)
How bad can crack be? I can handle it, I've handled worse drugs.
One time ain't gonna kill me, I can do any drug, BRING IT ON.

Next thing you know you're smoking crack and normal people can't figure out why you'd even fuck with something like that.

next thing you are performing fellatio for said drugs.

[RobMoney$]

Call me a sick SOB, but I find the ridiculous misconceptions about crack like that^^^ to be hilarious.
Sorta reminds me of all that government propaganda (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1jB7RBGVGk&feature=player_embedded) they had back in the 40's about weed causing people to turn into homocidal maniacs.

The character assassination on crack needs to stop, Yo.

[saz]

maybe it's a slow suicide thing, like the bug chaser thing

could be, or that they're a total moron

[TurdBerglar]

remeber my "what's your favorite type of crackhead" thread?


that was pretty funny.

[mkvl3]

I don't know if you're familiar with the filmmaker Kevin Smith, but he told a story on his blog about his friend, and co-star in many movies, Jason Mewes. I'd think it would be a pretty insightful read for people who have friends who are addicted to drugs.

It's a LONG read, but it's worth it in my opinion.

It's split into 9 parts.

http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=235
http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=236
http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=237
http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=239
http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=240
http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=241
http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=242
http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=243
http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=244

[checkyourprez]

I don't know if you're familiar with the filmmaker Kevin Smith, but he told a story on his blog about his friend, and co-star in many movies, Jason Mewes. I'd think it would be a pretty insightful read for people who have friends who are addicted to drugs.

It's a LONG read, but it's worth it in my opinion.

It's split into 9 parts.

http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=235
http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=236
http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=237
http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=239
http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=240
http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=241
http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=242
http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=243
http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=244

thanks for this. ill read it over the next couple days.

[sjp]

my uncle was on crack he died in 2007

[Kid Presentable]

I used to think it was a sickness. And Rob, you're right it does sound like a cliche. Not a diss, but it's a ridiculous thought for me to even bother helping. He knows I'm his friend, he can ask me when he wants. One addict too many for me.

[mikizee]

I didn't realise proper US-style crack was even available in Australia. And I like to think I have my finger on the aussie drug market pulse, maybe I don't!

[Kid Presentable]

Yeah I figured it was ice, which is just crack for rich kids.

[mikizee]

Ahh. I tried that shit a few times. Was good. Easy to see why its addictive... but yeah that shit can really fuck with your life. Bad choice to consume regularly

[jabumbo]

so what makes crack "proper US style"?

[Kid Presentable]

Flava Flav.

[gbsuey]

Friend is on crack. I had loaned him 500 bucks a little while ago, to "help with a bill". To his full credit he paid it all back. Other people may not have been so lucky.

Ready to help him get off it and figure his life out, but a small part of me is like "fuck it, why should I?". I feel like that's so harsh, though.

I would say you were damn lucky to get that money back, i have sure lost out from doing that. To be honest you'll do him no favours but i also know it's hard to say no when asked to help. Drugs just take away the person and leave a big money sucking, fuck everything else mess. I feel for your situation and i sure wouldn't give them a key.

I find the whole crystal meth thing kind of fascinating, there's some good videos on utube showing just how fucked up people get on that shit. Shocking.

[MC Moot]

so what makes crack "proper US style"?

made in america… (http://semihippysinglemum.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/baking-soda.jpg)

[jabumbo]

made in america… (http://semihippysinglemum.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/baking-soda.jpg)

this is a bit better (http://4.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kt8ifrz0G91qarfh0o4_500.jpg)


but its good to see america still has some quality products in production (y)

[Guy Incognito]

I'd suggest offering him a place to stay only if he agrees to get some counciling and to stay clean.
The minute you see him high, he's got to go.

If he's at the point where he's ready to get clean, he'll go for it.
Hopefully he's there. If not, don't even allow him to sit on your doorstep.
The worst thing you can do for him is to become an enabler.

Great advice (y)

I have that same thought about heroin. Who decides to get into that shit and why?

i do have to wonder about that. i mean it seems like at this point, crack has been around so long that everyone and their mother knows what it is and what it does to people, i don't really see why you'd say "alright yeah, sounds fun".

maybe it's a slow suicide thing, like the bug chaser thing

Dont under estimate the ruthless dealer who could convince the odd person down on their luck that one hit wont hurt or even worse telling them it was something else, knocking some in a spliff on the sly. i know you'd think people would be aware but i'm afraid thats not always the case.

be wary,be compassionate,be wary...best wishes...

most definitely

Flava Flav.

This made me LOL

I will say that in times like this he will find out who his friends are so i would say help him as much as you feel you can but like Moot says be on your guard and i do understand that everyone has their limit so i guess it depends on how long you have known this dude and how much he means to you and how much you are willing for his addiction to affect your life. You are a switched on bloke so i think you'll make the decision thats best for you and yours. all the best to ya

[MC Moot]

this is a bit better (http://4.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kt8ifrz0G91qarfh0o4_500.jpg)


but its good to see america still has some quality products in production (y)

I think you miss my drift...but that's probably for the better… (http://www.conservationresources.com/Main/section_30/section30_13_files/image003.jpg);)

[cubsfirstplace]

I don't know if you're familiar with the filmmaker Kevin Smith, but he told a story on his blog about his friend, and co-star in many movies, Jason Mewes. I'd think it would be a pretty insightful read for people who have friends who are addicted to drugs.

It's a LONG read, but it's worth it in my opinion.

It's split into 9 parts.

http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=235
http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=236
http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=237
http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=239
http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=240
http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=241
http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=242
http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=243
http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=244

thanks for posting this. i remember reading this when it first came out and then i was never able to find it again.

[hpdrifter]

Wow.

:'|

He should make that into a movie.

[Lex Diamonds]

But blood runs thicker (oh as thick as thieves you know).

And that's important to you... it's important to you.

[RobMoney$]

I think you miss my drift...but that's probably for the better… (http://www.conservationresources.com/Main/section_30/section30_13_files/image003.jpg);)


http://user-agent.org/stuff/images/cast_iron_pot_with_lid.jpg

[Lex Diamonds]

BIG HEAVY POTS OVER HOT STOVES
MAYONNAISE JARS OF WATER WITH ROCKS IN 'EM GOT MY WHOLE PROJECT OUTTA ORDER

[russhie]

Every dealer type I've known will flat out refuse to sell heroin or ice - not that I've ever looked into buying but when they provide me with their menu it's always off limits. Its easy enough to get into that sort of thing, the more regularly you use drugs the more people you know who take drugs the more people you know who take drugs you don't normally take and when you're happy and high lots of things seem like a good idea.

Isn't speed a derivative of ice or something though? I don't know what crack is. I learn as I watch/buy.

PS Kid, I'd feel the same as you - you dig the hole, you dig out...drugs are a choice.

[gbsuey]

Speed is amphetamine sulphate, don't really know what ice is but am pretty sure it's methamphetamine based. And i did know how to make crack a while back but don't really remember now, i know ammonia had something to do with it, maybe it takes the shit out of the coke? Smack, crack whatever, they're all just disgusting.

[mikizee]

Ice is a derivative of speed, a methamphetamine. I remember all you could get in the late 90s was regular speed, then ordinary meth was all you could get, then all of a sudden ice came on the scene.

When I said US style crack I meant a smokeable drug derived from cocaine, where as smokeable meth is what sells here.

Mostly due to the fact that any type of cocaine here sells for about 700% more than anywhere else in the world. Very lucrative market for coke here, I guess seeing as we are at the arse end of the world the cost/risk to get it here is high.

I'm talking $350-$400 a gram here. Which is fucking retarded.

[trailerprincess]

I found that Kevin Smith blog really interesting, that guy has the patience of a saint

[Kid Presentable]

So I've lived in Lambeth, he's not one of those type crackheads. Not a Mewes either thank fuck. Just a silly fucker, really. I might have some crew round and invite him to mine for his birthday. He just got out of the relationship which was causing this behaviour.

In 2000, after my pops died, I had no family support and I ran fucking wild, to the detriment of many of my friends. But a few of them really stuck in there for me. I could only hope to be that type of friend now, I guess. Although crack is a young bloke's game, and we're pushing 30. May as well try and help.

[Kid Presentable]

Isn't speed a derivative of ice or something though? I don't know what crack is. I learn as I watch/buy.

Yeah I've only ever had toots of ice, so I confuse the smokable powders all the time. I spose I should be happy not to really know.

[russhie]

which is worse for you then, ultimately? Ice or speed? (they're all bad yes but whatever)

coke is ridic expensive here, but that just means kids find cheaper alternatives, loads of speed, lots more kids are having a crack at MD powder now cause it's even cheaper. Maybe I just notice this now because I've become more involved in the scene.

I don't think I'd have the patience to nurse a friend through addiction, I'm pretty harsh in that way. You buy it knowing it's addictive take it knowing it's addictive and whatever comes after that...you knew it was coming. I get that drugs are a brilliant way to leave reality behind for a bit but we're not built to be that happy all the damn time, and even if your life was close to perfect there'd still be things that made you feel like shit, so while feeling miserable is a great excuse to take what you like and smash your fist against the self destruct button repeatedly much to the disappointment of your loved ones...err...I don't know quite where I'm going with this now.

That all made sense in my head.

[Kid Presentable]

I think if I expect treatment to become more widely available, I kind of have to try to be the change. Fuck it, though. Life's ridiculous.

[MC Moot]

Wow.

:'|

He should make that into a movie.

all kidding aside,he really,really should...(y)

[BangkokB]

I moved. Out of the country to put a full charge upgrade on my vices.

But I'm a self destructive adrenaline junkie. I have more stories to tell about buying crack rather than smoking it. I smoked crack with a homeless person isn't interesting. I smoked crack with a stranger that came back to see my loaded handgun half past midnite and I was foolish enuf to let him hold it then he held me up might be.

If he's the adrenaline junkie then no hope. Moving, might in all seriousness be the best solution. Someone once told me that you can't run away from your problems but you can run away from situations that put you in what latter turns into problems. That was a wise man

I called an old adequateness a few years back that still lives in Costa Rica and to my surprise about 35% of the people that I worked with were now dead thanks to their intake of cocaine....But I really believe that I'm lowballing it. What do you expect though when you can buy about a quarter O for less than $50 of pure. My old manager that was in his latter 30's is now dead. That shocked me. I knew he had a love for it but not that bad. As for me, I don't know why or how I was able to keep my shit together when I moved to the snakes den. I think a mixture of good sense combined with greed got the best of me because when I moved there I focused on saving $ to move back here. But once a month I'd go out for a one nite coke binge to have fun with the gambling tbls for a $200 nite. Why didn't I go full tilt? I believe that it was past me at that point in time but I never puffed stones while there.

Having said that: Maybe it's a phase. But I do know this- If I'd stayed in ATL I'd either be in jail for possession of crack or driving drunk on my way to get some by over the course of my tenure. But to each their own. I was offered some Coke a few years ago but turned it down bc I'm not really into that feel anymore. I honestly don't think I ever had fun doing it. But buying it was a whole separate entity.

[cosmo105]

funny, i just read this and look what (http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs152.snc3/17942_608610213396_30510461_34569520_7129056_n.jpg ) i see this morning at starbucks.

we made eye contact right as he was telling his friend, "hey, we were just talking about how much you love penis" while walking with another friend. golden.

[hpdrifter]

No fuckn way, dude.

That's awesome.

[mikizee]

whos that guy

[Tzar]

is that Jay? ala jay / silent bob?

[mikizee]

Wow it is!