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valvano
01-19-2010, 10:24 PM
Its looking that way...........(y)

NicRN77
01-19-2010, 10:48 PM
so upsetting...I'm very disgusted with my fellow Bay staters.

Bob
01-19-2010, 10:51 PM
if only coakley owned a truck and knew more about the red sox, this wouldn't have happened

annoying

NicRN77
01-19-2010, 10:55 PM
Ted is rolling over in his grave right now.

valvano
01-19-2010, 11:01 PM
Olympics fail
global warming fail
nj gov fail
va gov fail
stimulus fail
Teddy seat fail
healthcare fail

RobMoney$
01-19-2010, 11:18 PM
Thank God. The radical agenda has been stopped.

Republican Scott Brown defeats Democrat Martha Coakley in Mass. Senate race. (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/republican-scott-brown-defeats-democrat-martha-coakley-massachusetts/story?id=9602776)

Matthews and Maddow are blubbering away and blaming Bush,...CLASSIC!

Documad
01-19-2010, 11:24 PM
My initial reaction is that I'm relieved. Now the republicans are to blame for there being no health care reform. The insurance companies even came to the table but not the republicans. I wasn't fully on board with the purported reform but this takes the pressure off the democrats. It would have been embarrassing to have 60 votes and not get anything passed in the Senate.

Bob
01-19-2010, 11:24 PM
yes, those radical occasionally left of centrist bastards needed to be put in their place.

"radical" is not the word that comes to mind when i think of the democrats. radicals actually accomplish things

RobMoney$
01-19-2010, 11:29 PM
You know Bob, for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Scott has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change.
I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction.

RobMoney$
01-19-2010, 11:31 PM
I hope the people at MSNBC make sure not leave Maddow alone tonight. Or at least be sure to take her shoelaces.

saz
01-19-2010, 11:31 PM
change? what, back to the failed bush policies?

RobMoney$
01-19-2010, 11:32 PM
change? what, back to the failed bush policies?

No, away from the failing Obama policies.

kaiser soze
01-19-2010, 11:35 PM
hey you can be happy and all huggy and full of pride with This (http://eagleionline.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/scottbrownpicture.jpg)

well, I'm sure many think he's hotter than coakley

valvano
01-19-2010, 11:36 PM
you guys dont get it. grid lock is good. when the govt is tied up in arguement and nothing gets passed, the real world outside of DC solves its own problems.

reagan continues to be correct, govt is the problem, not the solution.

Bob
01-19-2010, 11:36 PM
You know Bob, for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Scott has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change.
I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction.

goddamn dude

Documad
01-19-2010, 11:38 PM
Rob wasn't making a substantive comment. He's just poking fun. He doesn't know who the republican is, he's just glad that a republican took Kennedy's seat because it is a supposed failure for Obama.

But Rob needs to lay off Rachel. (I'm making a fist now)

RobMoney$
01-19-2010, 11:39 PM
That Maddow fella just called Brown dishonest...

Dean- "we are not going to deal with Republicans"

CLASSIC.
Stay Classy, Democrats.

Documad
01-19-2010, 11:42 PM
I love that you watch MSNBC but I don't.

saz
01-19-2010, 11:43 PM
you guys dont get it. grid lock is good. when the govt is tied up in arguement and nothing gets passed, the real world outside of DC solves its own problems.

reagan continues to be correct, govt is the problem, not the solution.

so that's why the deregulation of the banks, wall street, and the rebuilding of iraq have been such incredible success stories.

RobMoney$
01-19-2010, 11:45 PM
Rob wasn't making a substantive comment. He's just poking fun. He doesn't know who the republican is, he's just glad that a republican took Kennedy's seat because it is a supposed failure for Obama.


Yes and No.

It has been my contention all along that one party having total control of all 3 branches is bad for America and Democracy.
It being a failure for Obama and his crappy healthcare plan is just a bonus. A huge bonus actually.

saz
01-19-2010, 11:48 PM
No, away from the failing Obama policies.

well i'd say obama's been painfully mediocre. the stimulus was way too small, he hasn't done fuck all about regulating the banks, wall street, unemployment is high and average americans, lower and middle class, are still going through very tough times. plus there's the surge in afghanistan which no one was crazy about, and the proposed health care reform legislation is one massive blow job for both the pharmaceutical and private health insurance industries.

obama is essentially bush-lite, minus the crazy religious babble, and believes in science and the value of stem cell research.

Documad
01-19-2010, 11:50 PM
It has been my contention all along that one party having total control of all 3 branches is bad for America and Democracy.
It being a failure for Obama and his crappy healthcare plan is just a bonus. A huge bonus actually.
I agree with the theory behind your first sentence, except that those aren't really branches (the judiciary is a branch). But I agree that we're usually better off if the senate and house are controlled by different parties. Of course the senate still has a majority of democrats but somewhere along the line when I wasn't paying attention senators started all this crap where you need a super majority to pass legislation there. McCain used to be against the filibusters but now that he's in the majority he's for them. Fucking flipflopper! :p

I don't agree that either of the plans passed by the house or senate are "Obama's plan." In fact, my criticism of him is that he didn't have a plan at all. He didn't lead this at the crucial time. But maybe that's okay because I'm not sure what I wanted either.

RobMoney$
01-19-2010, 11:50 PM
I love that you watch MSNBC but I don't.

I have watched both Fox News and MSNBC 50/50 tonight.
It's pretty obvious why Fox News has the better ratings.
Much more information, better discussion. MSNBC is unwatchable.

I saw Matthews saying that Brown winning is like a nerd winning a student body President spot in high school because people were just tired of the establishment.
How does the guy keep a job with such ridiculous political commentary?

valvano
01-19-2010, 11:50 PM
so that's why the deregulation of the banks, wall street, and the rebuilding of iraq have been such incredible success stories.

you mean like when govt dictates that banks give loans to folks in impoverished areas knowing they have no way of paying it back?

go lick your wounds tonight...:D

Documad
01-19-2010, 11:50 PM
And Rob, knock off the silly comments about Rachel. We know she's a lesbian, but not a man. :rolleyes:

kaiser soze
01-19-2010, 11:54 PM
And Rob, knock off the silly comments about Rachel. We know she's a lesbian, but not a man. :rolleyes:

oh, that's keeping it classy though

you didn't know?

RobMoney$
01-19-2010, 11:55 PM
I may have gotten a little carried away with myself there, Doc.
Sorry. ;)


I do think she's is just another partisan hack though.
An intelligent partisan hack, but a partisan hack nonetheless.


And as much as the people here love to bash Fox for being partisan (which they are), Fox is not foaming at the mouth partisan like MSNBC is.

Documad
01-19-2010, 11:56 PM
I may have gotten a little carried away with myself there, Doc.
Sorry. ;)

Eh, I'm glad you're watching her. I have a wee crush on her. I saw her in person during the republican convention and she's really tall.

saz
01-19-2010, 11:56 PM
But I agree that we're usually better off if the senate and house are controlled by different parties.

the republicans are all essentially neanderthal meatheads who reject science, reason and pragmatism for pure unadulterated batshit and more batshit. they cater to outright rednecks, the super rich and corporate america. whereas the democrats, who are also wall street's party, also cater to the super rich and corporate america, while making some concessions here and there for the middle and working classes, but not so much down with the religious batshit and accept science.

the two party system is killing your country.


It's pretty obvious why Fox News has the better ratings.
Much more information, better discussion. MSNBC is unwatchable.

wow. fox news is nothing but republican cheerleading. i say screw them both and watch bbc america and pbs.

valvano
01-19-2010, 11:58 PM
the republicans are all essentially neanderthal meatheads who reject science, reason and pragmatism for pure unadulterated batshit and more batshit. they cater to outright rednecks, the super rich and corporate america. whereas the democrats, who are also wall street's party, also cater to the super rich and corporate america, while making some concessions here and there for the middle and working classes, but not so much down with the religious batshit and accept science.


can you please define what a "redneck" is?

Documad
01-19-2010, 11:59 PM
can you please define what a "redneck" is?

don't you get comedy central?

saz
01-19-2010, 11:59 PM
you mean like when govt dictates that banks give loans to folks in impoverished areas knowing they have no way of paying it back?

go lick your wounds tonight...:D

no, i mean when banks and wall street can't indulge in credit default swaps and other ludicrious schemes.

i could care less about the democrats, as they're really republican-lite.

valvano
01-20-2010, 12:03 AM
don't you get comedy central?\


i assume you also have an equally negative attitude towards thunderbirds ?

valvano
01-20-2010, 12:12 AM
loved the line about using our tax money to buy weapons to defeat terrorists, not to pay for lawyers to defend them...this guy is on fire with his speech!!(y)(y)

yeahwho
01-20-2010, 12:26 AM
It's like the "I Have a Dream" speech all over again!

Bob
01-20-2010, 12:28 AM
loved the line about using our tax money to buy weapons to defeat terrorists, not to pay for lawyers to defend them...this guy is on fire with his speech!!(y)(y)

politicians are great, aren't they

kaiser soze
01-20-2010, 12:44 AM
they're like Rambo!

DroppinScience
01-20-2010, 01:33 AM
I have watched both Fox News and MSNBC 50/50 tonight. It's pretty obvious why Fox News has the better ratings.
Much more information, better discussion. MSNBC is unwatchable.

You know, I hate FOXNews, Limbaugh and the rest of those usual suspects as much as you do, so don't think I'm going to defend any of them

Now you're just getting lazy...

Echewta
01-20-2010, 02:40 AM
loved the line about using our tax money to buy weapons to defeat terrorists, not to pay for lawyers to defend them...this guy is on fire with his speech!!(y)(y)

Down with the Judicial branch! The biggest reason why this country is failing so. Courts, judges, lawyers, and other tools of enforcing laws, punishing the wrong, setting standards, and defining the Constitution!

I seem to remember a comment about waste in the military. Throwing more money for weapons to defeat terroist? Like arming all Americans on airplanes to stop underwear bombers?

RobMoney$
01-20-2010, 06:57 AM
Now you're just getting lazy...

Did I defend them? I said they were both biased.

Being the victor of the Fox News-MSNBC war is a bit like being named the tallest midget in the circus, innit?

RobMoney$
01-20-2010, 07:01 AM
You know Bob, for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Scott has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change.
I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction.

goddamn dude


It just finally dawned on me this morning where Bob's mind was going with this.

I'm pretty disappointed, Bob.

travesty
01-20-2010, 10:11 AM
the republicans are all essentially neanderthal meatheads who reject science, reason and pragmatism for pure unadulterated batshit and more batshit. they cater to outright rednecks, the super rich and corporate america. whereas the democrats, who are also wall street's party, also cater to the super rich and corporate america, while making some concessions here and there for the middle and working classes, but not so much down with the religious batshit and accept science.

the two party system is killing your country

Wow Saz! Stereotype much? Although I generally agree with your assesment I would say that Dems just substitute the religious batshit with global warming and calling people racists type of batshit. Easily just as annoying, absurd and divisive.

I couldn't agree more that more parties would be a real improvement.

DroppinScience
01-20-2010, 11:58 AM
Did I defend them? I said they were both biased.

Being the victor of the Fox News-MSNBC war is a bit like being named the tallest midget in the circus, innit?

Well, in one instance you claimed to loathe FOX News and never watch them and wouldn't even begin to defend them. Next thing you know, you're watching the network and giving them high praise for "insightful" commentary, etc.

If you're going to lie to us, cover your tracks better.

Echewta
01-20-2010, 01:12 PM
This will be exciting for another week or so and then die down to politics as usual. Didn't matter who won. Bush was to bring integrity to the White House and Obama was to bring hope and change. Neither has happened. The pendulum of politics barely swings anymore.

saz
01-20-2010, 06:30 PM
Wow Saz! Stereotype much? Although I generally agree with your assesment I would say that Dems just substitute the religious batshit with global warming and calling people racists type of batshit. Easily just as annoying, absurd and divisive.

I couldn't agree more that more parties would be a real improvement.

wait, i thought you believed in science and accepted the reality of climate change. please don't tell me you're beginning to fall into the knuckle-dragging camp, you know better than those meatheads. schwarzenegger has created approximately 125,000 green jobs in california (http://www.dailybreeze.com/latestnews/ci_13241642). supporting this and combating the climate crisis doesn't make you into a hippy stereotype either.

the bottom line:

democrats - useless cowards
republicans - never ending disastrous policies

saz
01-20-2010, 06:45 PM
This will be exciting for another week or so and then die down to politics as usual. Didn't matter who won. Bush was to bring integrity to the White House and Obama was to bring hope and change. Neither has happened. The pendulum of politics barely swings anymore.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/#34952418

joe scarborough and sam stein were spot on regarding the election, that obama has cut backroom deals with big pharma, private health insurance firms, that douche ben nelson et al, yet is trying to talk like huey long while providing no leadership and not fighting for a progressive agenda.

that and jobs.

RobMoney$
01-20-2010, 06:59 PM
Well, in one instance you claimed to loathe FOX News and never watch them and wouldn't even begin to defend them. Next thing you know, you're watching the network and giving them high praise for "insightful" commentary, etc.

If you're going to lie to us, cover your tracks better.

Meh, I tuned in because it was a fairly important election that wasn't local. I needed a national news broadcast.

If you think you've exposed some big cover-up, run with it.
suit yourself. nobody cares.

saz
01-20-2010, 07:09 PM
speak for yourself dude, because i care, lifelong democrat lol

yeahwho
01-20-2010, 07:25 PM
This will be exciting for another week or so and then die down to politics as usual. Didn't matter who won. Bush was to bring integrity to the White House and Obama was to bring hope and change. Neither has happened. The pendulum of politics barely swings anymore.

I agree, every article I've read comes to the same conclusion, Sen. Brown has nothing really new to offer. So what if he votes against health care reform, what are his comparable alternatives?

The country is moving in a direction and unfortunately that direction involves no help for me, my family and millions of wage earners.

The whole idea that corporate interest trumps all is sick. We have become saps, my paycheck is equally contributing to corporate/social welfare.

The pendulum is becoming stuck.

RobMoney$
01-20-2010, 07:35 PM
speak for yourself dude, because i care, lifelong democrat lol

Get a clue DUDE, these guys parading around on your MSNBC & Fox shows with the (D) behind their name, yelling and shouting at the guys with the (R) behind their names are not the Democrats of even 3 years ago.
And they're certainly not the Democrats I considered myself to be apart of in the past.

Here's the problem I see with these channels, and the folks who are treated as "journalists".
They encourage the (D)s to fight with the (R)s, because it's good for ratings. And now we've come to a point where TV is bleeding into reality. The Dems and Repubs seem to react to one another as if they're perpetually on one of these trashy shows.

One thing I believe I have suffeciently taught my kids is to share, cooperate, and genuinely listen to people from all walks of life.
This is something that is taught in basically every Kindergarten class in the world.
Perhaps the idiots on both sides of the aisles need to go sit in on some of these "play nice with others" sessions because this crap where the one side is going to try to shut the other side out is disgusting.

saz
01-20-2010, 07:45 PM
that's all well and good rob, however it's not helping your cause when you equated obama to hitler (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=92656), and championed the death panel lie (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=92380).

RobMoney$
01-20-2010, 07:53 PM
Now THIS (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2010/01/rendell_recounts_22-hour_trip.html) is a Democrat.


Gov. Ed Rendell returned to Harrisburg Tuesday after a 22-hour odyssey that took him and other aid providers to Port-Au-Prince and Pittsburgh, where Rendell helped deliver 53 Haitian orphans out of harm's way.

It was supposed to be 54 kids, but in the scramble to clear visas and expedite the evacuation of these future adoptees, one little girl was left on a bus on the tarmac, where one of the orphanage directors stayed behind and found her.

"Emma, which is my mother's name,'' said Rendell at the state Capitol, looking a lot more inspired and prideful than he had over the past 12 embattled months of budget fights and economic downturn.

Medical workers from the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center had accompanied Rendell and U.S. Rep. Jason Altimire, D-Pa., on the trip. When their plane touched down in Pittsburgh Tuesday morning, more medical staff and, in some cases, adoptive families were waiting for them.

Rendell told how he had been contacted by medical personnel at UPMC after two Pittsburgh-area sisters who run the orphanage in Haiti pleaded for outside help to evacuate the children. Jamie and Ali McMurtrie had taken to Twitter and Facebook, pleading for rescue help.

"I got involved, got a call from this UMPC Friday. Kids were living outside, no food or water,'' Rendell said.

"We went to work, didn't have much success until we saw the Haitian ambassador on CNN. We called CNN and he called me back and we were able to get the wheels in motion for our trip. We coordinated with the Dept. of Homeland Security. The National Security Department was terrific. Everything was in line. We got a plane donated from a donor who wants to remain anonymous,'' Rendell said.

Rendell said he was told by the Haitian ambassador that it was imperative that he fly into the earthquake-ravaged country.

"He said if you run into trouble, it's better to have the governor on the plane, which proved to be correct,'' Rendell said.

"We were denied our slot until the captain of the plane said the governor of Pennsylvania is on the plane. We landed around 6 o'clock and spent the next six and half hours in the Port-Au-Prince airport, trying to convince (officials in the U.S. and Haiti) to let all remaining 54 orphans go back to Pittsburgh. The initial response was 'No.' We couldn't do that. We can only let the orphans go back who have families and who have adoptive rights in U.S., Canada or Spain. There were 47 of those,'' he said.

"The other seven could not go. The two young ladies were taking the position that everybody goes, or nobody goes. So we had a two-prong attack. One we were trying to convince the two ladies that 47 is better than zero. Better to get 47 kids out of harm's way,'' Rendell said.

"They wouldn't budge. The kids were in buses at the embassy. The embassy originally said they were only going to give visas to 28. We got through to the National Security Council and a... about five minutes before the buses were going to turn around and go back to the orphanage, we got word that everybody was good to. It took another two hours of paperwork to get done and in that time, we lost our plane,'' he said.

"Our plane had to go at 10 o'clock, but the military stepped in and found us a C17. A huge cargo plane that can take five or six tanks on it. These kids were incredible. They had never been on a plane and the C17 is noisy as all get-out. And yet no one was scared. They were upbeat. We were ready to go. We counted and found only 53. One of the two girls decided they had to stay and find the 2-year-old who had been left, Emma. Turns out she had been behind, but one of the young ladies could not leave without her. We got an email about an hour later saying Emma had been found."

That 54th child was en route to the U.S. later Tuesday, Rendell said.


God Bless Gov. Ed.

DroppinScience
01-20-2010, 09:25 PM
Meh, I tuned in because it was a fairly important election that wasn't local. I needed a national news broadcast.

If you think you've exposed some big cover-up, run with it.
suit yourself. nobody cares.

What you're doing is talking out of both sides of your mouth. One week you think one thing, the next week you're thinking the exact opposite. There's no rhyme or reason to any of it other than wanting to stir the pot. A little bit of consistency wouldn't hurt.

RobMoney$
01-20-2010, 10:20 PM
What are you not getting?

I don't watch Fox or MSNBC, or any of their "journalists" shows, regularly.
I tuned in for one night for the national coverage of a non-local election.
If that equates somehow as my being a hipocrite, I don't really care.

The only reason you continue to push this issue is because it's a distraction from the topic at hand, which is the death-knell of Obamacare and the worst supermajority in history.

That, and the fact that I said your beloved MSNBC hosts made the FOX hosts look rational.

Deal with it and quit trying to change the topic.

travesty
01-20-2010, 10:48 PM
wait, i thought you believed in science and accepted the reality of climate change. please don't tell me you're beginning to fall into the knuckle-dragging camp, you know better than those meatheads.
You know me, always the skeptic. I haven't absorbed the whole causation link as "fact" just yet but I also think Pluto is still a planet.

schwarzenegger has created approximately 125,000 green jobs in california (http://www.dailybreeze.com/latestnews/ci_13241642). supporting this and combating the climate crisis doesn't make you into a hippy stereotype either.

He has to do something. The liberal wonderland of California consistently has one of the highest unemployment rates in the country. California has never ranked higher (http://www.bls.gov/lau/tables.htm)than 36th out of the fifty states since 2000 and only besting 43rd out of fifty states for two of those years. Everything helps


democrats - useless cowards
republicans - never ending disastrous policies

We're close to agreeing on this one
Democrats- useless cowards with never ending disastrous policies
Republicans- useless chest thumpers with never ending disastroud policies

DroppinScience
01-20-2010, 10:50 PM
Don't pretend you approve of FOX News and then suddenly praise them (even if you claim to otherwise not watch them, which I doubt) and not expect to be called out.

Anyways, I'm with sazi here when he says the Democrats are pretty much useless cowards. For 6 months or so, they had their "super-majority" and squandered it with their inability to get anything done (namely with a substandard health care bill to appease health insurance and pharmaceutical lobbies and regulation of Wall Street that lacks any kind of teeth), and that's the reason they lost their Senate seat (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/20/obama-backers-more-commit_n_429673.html). If they can't follow through on any initiatives, they frankly deserve to lose. If they shape up and match their actions with their words, they would have been able to replace Ted Kennedy's seat with a Democrat. If they can get their act together, that seat will easily switch back to blue come 2012.

travesty
01-20-2010, 10:51 PM
speak for yourself dude, because i care, lifelong democrat lol

That's got to be a frustrating way to go through life.:D

travesty
01-20-2010, 10:54 PM
The country is moving in a direction and unfortunately that direction involves no help for me, my family and millions of wage earners.

If you are looking for "help" from the federal government to improve your life you're going to be waiting a long, long time. That tit is nearly out of milk.

RobMoney$
01-20-2010, 11:06 PM
Anyways, I'm with sazi here when he says the Democrats are pretty much useless cowards. For 6 months or so, they had their "super-majority" and squandered it with their inability to get anything done

So you're agreeing with me then, because I just called them "worst super-majority in history".

Go ahead, you can do it.
Say you agree with me.

RobMoney$
01-20-2010, 11:16 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/20/house.democrats.health.care/index.html?hpt=T1


House Dems largely reject idea of passing Senate health care bill

From Dana Bash and Deirdre Walsh,

Washington (CNN) -- Despite knowing Senate Democrats will lose their filibuster-proof majority after Tuesday night's political upset in Massachusetts, House Democrats across the political spectrum largely rejected the idea of passing the Senate health care bill.
Liberal New York Democrat Anthony Weiner predicted the Senate bill wouldn't have the votes to pass the House.
Weiner ridiculed House Democratic leaders for holding a meeting to brief House Democrats on negotiations with the White House on a health care bill, telling reporters, "They're talking as if, 'What our deal is, what our negotiators are at the White House' -- yeah, and then the last line is, 'Pigs fly out of my ass' ... it's just, we've got to recognize we are in an entirely different scenario."

This scrambling has come about because Republican Scott Brown won a major upset victory in the special election for the U.S. Senate seat formerly held by liberal Democrat Ted Kennedy.
With 89 percent of the results counted, Brown had 52 percent of the vote to 47 percent for Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley, the Democratic candidate.
Several rank-and-file Democratic lawmakers on the right and the left suggested it may be best now to scrap their big overhaul bill and pass a smaller measure with provisions they can all agree on, such as barring rejection by insurers for those Americans who have pre-existing conditions and closing the doughnut hole to bring down prescription drug costs.
If it comes down to that Senate bill or nothing, I think we're going to end up with nothing.

But it's unclear if that option, like other contingency plans Democrats are considering, is doable now.
Weiner argued the Massachusetts results demonstrated Democrats have to change their strategy on health care.
"Large numbers of independent voters saying they're upset about health care, that's not just their fault, that's our fault, too. And we have to think about what we're doing wrong here and to have a conversation as if nothing happened, whether you're in Massachusetts or not, is being tone deaf," he said.
Michigan Democrat Bart Stupak, who led the charge for language to restrict abortion coverage in the House bill, flatly rejected the Senate's version of health care reform.
"The Senate bill is a nonstarter for most members," he said.
Conservative Indiana Democrat Brad Ellsworth, like Weiner, predicted the Senate bill couldn't pass. He told reporters he opposed it mainly because he objected to the inclusion of a special deal for Nebraska Sen. Ben Nelson to cover all of that state's costs for expanding Medicaid coverage.
Some Democrats suggested the prospect of no health care bill passing was more likely than rushing to pass the Senate's bill.
"If it comes down to that Senate bill or nothing, I think we're going to end up with nothing. I don't hear a lot of support on our side for that bill," Massachusetts Democrat Stephen Lynch said.
Lynch shot down the notion that Democrats could first pass the Senate bill, then pass a second bill that would add some of the changes congressional leaders have negotiated with the White House.
"I don't think that's going to happen ... we keep sending bills to the Senate, and they just never come back, so I guess I've lost my faith in anything happening quickly that requires Senate action," he said.
Several other Democrats echoed Lynch's concerns, telling CNN even if there was firm commitment to pass a second bill with changes negotiated between House and Senate leaders and the White House, they wouldn't vote yes.
But some House Democrats, notably Rep. Patrick Kennedy of Rhode Island, did leave the door open to considering the Senate passed bill.
"I think we could pass the Senate bill and come back later and fix the parts that are most egregious," Kennedy said.
"Health care needs to go forward. If it's a message on anything, it's that we got the message messed up, not that we got the package messed up."
Blue Dog Democrat Rep. Baron Hill of Indiana said the idea of passing the Senate bill is "the talk of the town."
Hill said he still needs to look at details of Senate bill but is open to taking it up, saying "if that's the only option in town then maybe that's what we ought to do."




Because being arrogant politicians has consequences.

Bob
01-20-2010, 11:16 PM
So you're agreeing with me then, because I just called them "worst super-majority in history".

Go ahead, you can do it.
Say you agree with me.

you make it so easy

RobMoney$
01-20-2010, 11:33 PM
If they shape up and match their actions with their words, they would have been able to replace Ted Kennedy's seat with a Democrat. If they can get their act together, that seat will easily switch back to blue come 2012.

Actually, he shares some blame here.
If Kennedy would have retired when he was sick, it was very likely that a Democrat would have held this seat given Obama's huge popularity in the traditionally liberal stronghold of Massachusetts.

They were too worried about ramming health care through that they didn't want the seat to be empty for any amount of time.

saz
01-21-2010, 01:06 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/20/house.democrats.health.care/index.html?hpt=T1




Because being arrogant politicians has consequences.

i have to applaud rob here for posting this. anthony weiner, a dem who is not afraid to call out his own party and obama, has been correctly trashing the watered-down senate bill all along. it would be best to scrap the senate bill entirely and go with a bill that some republicans couldn't oppose, which would focus on outlawing private health insurance companies denying people coverage due to pre-existing conditions, as well as bringing down the costs of prescription drugs.

RobMoney$
01-21-2010, 05:18 PM
SAZ LIKES WEINER!!!

saz
01-21-2010, 05:35 PM
weiner stands up (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=297713180056)

Echewta
01-21-2010, 09:17 PM
Since the media keeps pushing this senate seat going to a republican, I don't see it as a massive fail for the dems at all, though it is being played as one. Its a senate seat. Elections are next year and I'm sure the dems will loose seats now that Bush is no longer in the white house.
Then the country will see that the republicans still aren't doing anything and vote for dems. Then the dems won't do anything and they will vote republican.

RobMoney$
01-21-2010, 10:13 PM
I would just like to take this opportunity to point out that McCain is still alive and well.




even better, Hillary's eye remains on the prize.

Bob
01-21-2010, 10:45 PM
palin turned out to be a loon though

RobMoney$
01-21-2010, 10:56 PM
I hear ya.
If McCain had just choose Romney it may have been a different outcome.

Hillary got rooked tho.

yeahwho
01-21-2010, 10:59 PM
weiner stands up (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=297713180056)

Is that link safe for work?

yeahwho
01-21-2010, 11:21 PM
Hitler Finds Out Scott Brown Won Massachusetts Senate Seat (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4aQCiRjvZY)

Bob
01-22-2010, 12:57 AM
Hitler Finds Out Scott Brown Won Massachusetts Senate Seat (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4aQCiRjvZY)

bizarre story; i post on another forum and a guy who posts there as well is the person who actually made that clip and within one or two hours of posting it this "DrRonPaul2012" fellow downloaded it and hosted it on his own youtube account, and now he's the one getting all the credit for it every time it gets linked somewhere (it's even on the huffington post apparently)

it's alright though; the guy who actually made it was just doing it for fun, he wasn't going to make any money off it or anything. and besides, it's not like it's such a bad thing not being known as "that guy who made the video of hitler complaining about obama". i feel like people who don't know about the meme might get the wrong impression. i think that in the end, he's the real winner

RobMoney$
01-22-2010, 02:30 AM
palin turned out to be a loon though


Bob, seriously though, did VP really influence your vote?
I mean it's not as if Biden's any prize either.

yeahwho
01-22-2010, 03:13 AM
bizarre story; i post on another forum and a guy who posts there as well is the person who actually made that clip and within one or two hours of posting it this "DrRonPaul2012" fellow downloaded it and hosted it on his own youtube account..... so on and so forth


I found it to be pretty, pretty funny (who knows how many times that clip has been altered) but yeah it's annoying as fuck some ass banjo just doesn't leave it be, I hate those youtube flags that pop up

yeahwho
01-22-2010, 03:21 AM
Bob, seriously though, did VP really influence your vote?

For those (of which I bet there are over a few million) who did decide due to the Palin choice not to vote for McCain, I bet they're extremely indignant now that they've seen in person here political stripes.

She quit her job, made a few million on a book deal and is a FOX news commentator. She has really showed the youth of America how to serve the public. Cash in.

To nobodies surprise.

Bob
01-22-2010, 06:18 AM
Bob, seriously though, did VP really influence your vote?
I mean it's not as if Biden's any prize either.

2008 mccain could've picked 2000 mccain as his running mate and i wouldn't have voted for him but damn, choosing palin was some real shameful shit.

a real person indeed

RobMoney$
01-22-2010, 10:49 AM
Exactly, you were sold on Obama regardless.
I don't buy these "millions" who'se votes were changed by a VP.
People like to make a stink about palin, biden, gore, or even quake, but at the end of the day none of them have any real impact.

travesty
01-22-2010, 11:54 AM
I gotta disagree on this one Rob. Sure you can always pick a fairly safe "chump" for veep that you think will be considered somewhat irrelevant, but that's not what McCain and the RNC wanted at the time. They needed a little pizzaz, a little sizzle on the steak, a little extra something to get them over the top. McCain was just not dynamic enough of a personality lock horns with either Obama or Hillary and everyone knew it. The choice of Palin was a big gamble. It had a huge effect of "energizing" the harder conservative base but simultaneously alienated a lot of right leaning independents..... like me. I feel the net effect was a loss as the harder conservative base was likely going to vote for McCain regardless of his moderate positions on social issues. He was a POW and War hero fer chrissake, that gets the hard right all mushy inside.
We know a lot of independents voted for Obama and a small percentage of folks like me who couldn't stomach either voted third party. I'm not saying Palin cost McCain the election but I don't think her net effect was positive at all.
Big gamble, big loss.

yeahwho
01-22-2010, 02:15 PM
Palin is wretched, fingernails on the chalkboard wretched. Anyone hanging their name on her political ideals deserves what she brings to the party, basically lunatics.

It was about a year ago when Obama had 58 votes in the Senate, and people were ecstatic, fanning themselves over how powerful and overwhelming the Democratic Party was. Now, with 59 Senators planting "D" after their names, Obama is suddenly on his way out?

And for that matter, here is a trivia question, when did the Republicans ever have a "supermajority"? (I'll give you a hint: the answer is "never" — the GOP managed to run this country into the ground without ever having 60 seats in the Senate.)

Echewta
01-22-2010, 03:09 PM
And the Dems let them.

cj hood
01-22-2010, 04:01 PM
Dems will f' you over. Reps will f' you over. they don't care about you. cheering for one party or the other is stupid. i have friends posting on their facebook ecstatic over Brown's win. wtf?

kaiser soze
01-22-2010, 06:27 PM
Palin is wretched, fingernails on the chalkboard wretched. Anyone hanging their name on her political ideals deserves what she brings to the party, basically lunatics.



even Glenn Bleck is starting to make this apparent.

travesty
01-22-2010, 11:48 PM
And the Dems let them.

Fuck, the Dems HELPED them!

kaiser soze
01-24-2010, 02:36 AM
Straight Pimping......his daughters

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/01/22/scott-browns-daughter-ayla-flooded-with-date-offers-after-dads/

even Glenn Beck is a bit concerned

http://www.theweek.com/article/index/105466/Is_Scott_Brown_creepy

Family values indeed, hide your interns Washington!!

DroppinScience
01-24-2010, 12:30 PM
Frank Rich on the Massachusetts Massacre

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/24/opinion/24Rich.html?


It was not a referendum on Barack Obama, who in every poll remains one of the most popular politicians in America. It was not a rejection of universal health care, which Massachusetts mandated (with Scott Brown’s State Senate vote) in 2006. It was not a harbinger of a resurgent G.O.P., whose numbers remain in the toilet. Brown had the good sense not to identify himself as a Republican in either his campaign advertising or his victory speech.

And yet Tuesday’s special election was a dire omen for this White House. If the administration sticks to this trajectory, all bets are off for the political future of a president who rode into office blessed with more high hopes, good will and serious promise than any in modern memory. It’s time for him to stop deluding himself. Yes, last week’s political obituaries were ludicrously premature. Obama’s 50-ish percent first-anniversary approval rating matches not just Carter’s but Reagan’s. (Bushes 41 and 43 both skyrocketed in Year One.) Still, minor adjustments can’t right what’s wrong.

...

RobMoney$
01-24-2010, 01:09 PM
Straight Pimping......his daughters

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/01/22/scott-browns-daughter-ayla-flooded-with-date-offers-after-dads/

even Glenn Beck is a bit concerned

http://www.theweek.com/article/index/105466/Is_Scott_Brown_creepy

Family values indeed, hide your interns Washington!!

Oh, you didn't know?
Ayla Brown was on the Idol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS1l65LdtGg).

I can only laugh at you using Beck to support your argument after spending the past year telling everyone how vile he is.
You sir, have achieved new heights in hipocracy.


Also, perhaps you should read your own links before you post them...

Beck and other critics are showing how "ignorant" they are by calling Brown a "creep," says conservative radio host, Mark Levin in the blog Radio Equalizer. Brown's on-stage teasing "actually shows he is a good family man. Ask any father of girls: [Deliberately provoking]...the 'oh daddy!' squirm of embarrassment from teenage daughters is something only a father with a good, comfortable relationship [with his children] does (and he never misses a chance to do so)."

kaiser soze
01-24-2010, 01:29 PM
I can only laugh at you using Beck to support your argument after spending the past year telling everyone how vile he is.
You sir, have achieved new heights in hipocracy.


oh tee hee you told me, sorry but I'm not jumping on Beck's boat, just saying he thought it was a bit "creepy", probably keeping his nose clean with his uber-conservative followers. I know you're not a pious person so it probably doesn't bother you a bit, hell I think his oldest is quite attractive myself.

But you know DAMN well that if this was democrat that did this.....yeah I'm sure we shouldn't speculate, but I'm willing to bet my house that some conservative pundits (ie Hannity, Coulter, Limbaugh, Beck) would have material for at least a week.

I didn't notice his daughter was on Idol nor do I care, it's the fact that he was talking about his daughters' availability at his acceptance speech....time and place for everything, I'm sure his daughters appreciate the extra attention even if it's from Facebook stalkers.

Ask any father of girls: [Deliberately provoking]...the 'oh daddy!' squirm of embarrassment from teenage daughters is something only a father with a good, comfortable relationship [with his children] does (and he never misses a chance to do so)."

oh yes, I'm sure EVERY father announces their daughters status on national television, this a common occurrence with every celebrity, politician, and athlete, it's a Little Miss Sunshine Pageant out there!

I still feel it was inappropriate and totally creepy, come on rob you're familiar with that word!

aren't you?


anyways....I'm sure you won't mind this editorial

http://www.fitsnews.com/2010/01/22/available-scott-browns-daughters/

RobMoney$
01-24-2010, 02:02 PM
It was not a referendum on Barack Obama, who in every poll remains one of the most popular politicians in America. It was not a rejection of universal health care, which Massachusetts mandated (with Scott Brown’s State Senate vote) in 2006. It was not a harbinger of a resurgent G.O.P., whose numbers remain in the toilet. Brown had the good sense not to identify himself as a Republican in either his campaign advertising or his victory speech.

This pretty much echoes what Maddow and Matthews were whining on and on about the night of the election. It was excuse after excuse. Embarressing is the only appropriate word for it.
I actually heard Maddow knock Brown for not having any political experience.
HELLO RACHEL, HAVE YOU MET YOUR PRESIDENT?


Perhaps it was just a matter of the better candidate winning.
I heard two minutes of Coakley's concession speech and I was falling asleep.
Over 2 million votes cast, which is huge for that state.
Suggesting this vote had nothing to do with the issues or the Dems supermajority is insulting to the voters of Mass.
The Dems shutting the GOP out of the healthcare legislation was the pride before the fall.

Another interesting facet of this election is that the Dems are always condescending about how Republicans eat their own.
Watching Maddow & Matthews practicly explode and seeing House Dems not walk, but run from this healthcare bill is just soo poeticly just.

RobMoney$
01-24-2010, 02:08 PM
oh tee hee you told me, sorry but I'm not jumping on Beck's boat, just saying he thought it was a bit "creepy", probably keeping his nose clean with his uber-conservative followers. I know you're not a pious person so it probably doesn't bother you a bit, hell I think his oldest is quite attractive myself.

But you know DAMN well that if this was democrat that did this.....yeah I'm sure we shouldn't speculate, but I'm willing to bet my house that some conservative pundits (ie Hannity, Coulter, Limbaugh, Beck) would have material for at least a week.

I didn't notice his daughter was on Idol nor do I care, it's the fact that he was talking about his daughters' availability at his acceptance speech....time and place for everything, I'm sure his daughters appreciate the extra attention even if it's from Facebook stalkers.



oh yes, I'm sure EVERY father announces their daughters status on national television, this a common occurrence with every celebrity, politician, and athlete, it's a Little Miss Sunshine Pageant out there!

I still feel it was inappropriate and totally creepy, come on rob you're familiar with that word!

aren't you?


anyways....I'm sure you won't mind this editorial

http://www.fitsnews.com/2010/01/22/available-scott-browns-daughters/

Your moral outrage is just too convienient.

kaiser soze
01-24-2010, 02:44 PM
you mean

a convenient truth ;)

hey I'm just keeping the conservative status quo....seeing that the moral outrage is only selective when it's the opposite side doing it

yeahwho
01-24-2010, 07:05 PM
Perhaps it was just a matter of the better candidate winning.
I heard two minutes of Coakley's concession speech and I was falling asleep.
Over 2 million votes cast, which is huge for that state.
Suggesting this vote had nothing to do with the issues or the Dems supermajority is insulting to the voters of Mass.
The Dems shutting the GOP out of the healthcare legislation was the pride before the fall.

Another interesting facet of this election is that the Dems are always condescending about how Republicans eat their own.
Watching Maddow & Matthews practicly explode and seeing House Dems not walk, but run from this healthcare bill is just soo poeticly just.

The reason Coakley lost the election in Massachusetts is simple: Obama beseeched the Massachusetts electorate to send him an ally in DC. He used those words. An ally for what? A health plan that funnels tax dollars into the coffers of big health care insurance companies? Two Bush wars?

In short, why not just vote for the republican?

RobMoney$
01-24-2010, 07:58 PM
I'd personally like to see some sort of legislation preventing a sitting president from campaigning.
You'd think he'd have more important things to occupy his time with.

Echewta
01-25-2010, 01:23 PM
^ Or bush-hogging.

DroppinScience
01-25-2010, 08:19 PM
I'd personally like to see some sort of legislation preventing a sitting president from campaigning.
You'd think he'd have more important things to occupy his time with.

Would this include a president campaigning for his own re-election?

travesty
01-25-2010, 08:40 PM
Ideally! Let the record speak for itself we don't need to hear more empty promises.

yeahwho
01-26-2010, 03:18 AM
The record of dissent through sloganeering and a daily onslaught of moronic repetitive negativity by the Presidents detractors is always going to speak multiple volumes louder than President Obamas record.

You can take that to the bank with nazism, socialism and hitlerism.

Fucking surreal.