Obama Pulls U.S. Troops Out Of Mideast, As Promised.

[RobMoney$]

Oh wait, no he didn't. He's spending nearly as much as Bush,...go figure.


http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N01207827.htm

WASHINGTON, Feb 1 (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama on Monday proposed another two years of hefty spending in Iraq and Afghanistan, seeking Congress' approval for about $160 billion this year and again in fiscal 2011 to pay war costs.


The war spending proposed by Obama is only slightly less than in each of the last two years of the administration of President George Bush and carries considerable political peril for the Democratic president who took office last year.








Q: President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for 50 years — (cut off by McCain)

McCAIN: Make it a hundred.

Q: Is that … (cut off)

McCAIN: We’ve been in South Korea … we’ve been in Japan for 60 years. We’ve been in South Korea 50 years or so. That would be fine with me. As long as Americans …

Q: [tries to say something]

McCAIN: As long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. That’s fine with me, I hope that would be fine with you, if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Queada is training and equipping and recruiting and motivating people every single day.


Whay a nutjob....heh.

[yeahwho]

It's great to see you have become part of the peace movement, there many links out there that can keep you up to date with the total cost of war and also simplify what we can do to make this planet less murderous.

(y)


Americans keep complaining how we are going to pay for all these social programs. Easy. Stop engaging in wars we shouldn't be in! Such as fighting the Taliban and propping up the corrupt government of Afghanistan. Instead of spending $1 million per soldier per year, we can spend 20 times less and educate each American one time to be the most competitive worker in the world. You can argue wars are important too, but it's all about priorities.

[travesty]

I agree..defense should be a top priority D-E-F-E-N-S-E. Not offense, not "pre-emptive" defense and not world policing. The sheer scope of our imperialism will certainly land us at the bottom of a long list of empires that failed for just that reason. For every right winger who says that "communism has never worked anywhere in the world" I submit that neither has Imperialism.

[saz]

great thread rob, i agree 100% (y)

just think if even half of these staggering totals (http://costofwar.com/) were spent on america, americans and infrastructure.

i don't believe obama when it comes to iraq and afghanistan. america is now expanding its empire, and will have permanent bases in both countries, which just incites extremism.

[RobMoney$]

Why people think we are leaving any time soon is beyond me.
From here to the foreseeable future we will have some sort of presence in Iraq and Afgan.
And I'm fine with that, but he either lied to the crazies in his base to fire them up or he honestly thought that was "right" in his inexperience and when he got a front row seat as President realized that naive idealism had no part in reality.

Either way, I am ok with it just as long as he does not make bad situations worse.
We shouldn't exit Iraq in anything less than a responsible way.
Obviously, Afghanistan will take a longer to stabilize.

[yeahwho]

From the above post it seems as if you must be pretty impressed with the allotted cash Obama is spending. He is doing what you feel is necessary then, am I correct?

Otherwise you would be outraged at the money being spent and our kids lives being put on the line for these wars.

Does RobMoney$ support or oppose President Obamas strategy in the Middle East?

[RobMoney$]

I support maintaining a presence in that region.
Unfortunatley, it wasn't really Obama's original plan, now was it?

One of the main reasons he was elected in the first place was because of the backlash to Bush and these "unnecessary" wars.


Nice try tho, yeahwho.

[yeahwho]

It was more than a nice try, it was money.

[RobMoney$]

It was more than a nice try, it was money.


You voted for him based on the fact that he campaigned for ending the war.
It wasn't his plan, he's just being forced to deal with reality.

[yeahwho]

You voted for him based on the fact that he campaigned for ending the war.
It wasn't his plan, he's just being forced to deal with reality.

True, I wish we could just get out of protracted occupations in the middle east, our resources have been stretched beyond a thin line.

He is doing the correct thing.

Henry Kissinger recently criticized President Obama in the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/02/AR2010020202682.html?hpid=opinionsbox1) that the Iraq game should be about focusing more on just troop withdrawal. The odd thing about his article is the timing, only the day before (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=117646&sectionid=351020201) Obama met with Iraq's Vice-President Tariq al-Hashimi amid a row over excluding Baath-linked candidates from Iraq's next elections.

There seems to be a vacuum amongst the conservative and extreme right wing of this nation on whether President Obama can do the correct thing, yet the evidence is there that he is doing the right thing.

I am not going to cry sour grapes because we're still involved in these wars, I also am not going to sit and point my finger as to why we are in these wars, though for some reason the nut jobs and mini revisionists have a rule they believe the intelligent well rounded citizens should abide to,

"And don't say Bush did it too" or "Don't compare this to the Bush years" or "Don't blame this on Bush" as if that is against some sort of social rule. Fuck that crap, these are Bush wars and they've been going on since March 20, 2003. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq)

So yeah, I'm dissapointed, you're a smart ass... yet you still have not been clear on whether our President is doing the right thing in Afghanistan or Iraq, I think you are... only it comes out grumble, grumble, grumble.

[saz]

(y)


"And don't say Bush did it too" or "Don't compare this to the Bush years" or "Don't blame this on Bush" as if that is against some sort of social rule. Fuck that crap, these are Bush wars and they've been going on since March 20, 2003. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq)

[RobMoney$]

True, I wish we could just get out of protracted occupations in the middle east, our resources have been stretched beyond a thin line.

He is doing the correct thing.

There seems to be a vacuum amongst the conservative and extreme right wing of this nation on whether President Obama can do the correct thing, yet the evidence is there that he is doing the right thing.

I am not going to cry sour grapes because we're still involved in these wars, I also am not going to sit and point my finger as to why we are in these wars, though for some reason the nut jobs and mini revisionists have a rule they believe the intelligent well rounded citizens should abide to,

This is easily the most productive thing you've said in a while on the war.
You were looking at what's the best way to move foward with Iraq.
Unfortunately, you followed it up with this:

"And don't say Bush did it too" or "Don't compare this to the Bush years" or "Don't blame this on Bush" as if that is against some sort of social rule. Fuck that crap, these are Bush wars and they've been going on since March 20, 2003. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq)

Ok, we've established that it started under Bush.
I just don't see what the point of turning every discussion on the war into how Bush is the reason we're there.
I've said it everyime it comes up, OK, FINE, I agree Bush is the reason.
I've never been an apologist for Bush. EVER.
And it kind of insults me that just because I'm conservative and don't support Obama, you automatically think I support Bush by default.

Obama inhereted the war. Every president inherits problems he didn't create.
That's the reason we elect someone NEW, because the old party's policies aren't working.

Now that we've established what got us there, what now?
Now what's the best way to proceed in Iraq?
That's the discussion I'm interested in having.


So yeah, I'm dissapointed, you're a smart ass... yet you still have not been clear on whether our President is doing the right thing in Afghanistan or Iraq, I think you are... only it comes out grumble, grumble, grumble.

Yes, he's doing the right thing for both the US and Iraq by maintaining a presence there, but I fail to see how Obama should receive much credit for it.
I mean I'm thankful that he's willing to do what's right, despite the fact that it's going to piss off a lot of his base, but he's doing it because he has no choice. He's being forced to do something he really doesn't want to, and you can tell it pisses him off that he's proving the other guys right by being forced to stay there.
This is what the other guy (McCain) said we needed to do and it's what the 45% of America who voted for McCain believed we needed to do.
It's hard to watch the guy with the wrong plan win and wind up having to use the losers' policy and not to say "I told you so".

[yeahwho]

Do not use what the other guy (McCain) said ever in a discussion about politics, it's the new rule by nutjob leftwingers and the democratic party.

[RobMoney$]

Fuck it. If you think the Bush card is relevant, maybe I should start playing the Carter card?

(lb)Now there's a treasure chest of "Gotcha" liberal failed policies just waiting to be tapped into.


Isn't he really the reason all this stuff with Iraq looking at America as infidels really started?


This is fucking Carter's war.
Now tell Obama to go fetch a bucket and a mop and clean up Carter's mess.

[DroppinScience]

You are aware that FDR called out Herbert Hoover and his own failed policies at least as far as 1936 (near the end of his first-term), right? I guess back then you'd say the Stock Market Crash of 1929 and Hoover's own 4 years of ineptitude had no relevance whatsoever as FDR dealt with the Great Depression.

[RobMoney$]

No, I'd waste my time bitching that it was Hoover's mess and send you newspaper clippings in the mail that were over 6 years old to prove it.


Why don't you guys get the fact that it doesn't matter who started the war, it's fucking Obama's job to deal with it now?
Nobody gives a shit how it got started anymore, people just want an answer about when it might end.

He spent millions of Oprah's money campaigning for the job to mop up Bush's mess. He knew the issues.

[yeahwho]

Do not use Oprah's money ever in a discussion about politics, it's the new rule by nutjobs of all message boards and morons worldwide.

[RobMoney$]

Dude, are you interested in talking about solutions or are you just looking to waste time on the internet playing partisan tag?

[yeahwho]

You have agreed with Obama right here on this post, yet other than give him credit you decided that it was John McCain's idea all along.

You just did what you've told others not to do. You also must have been extremely proud of your sarcastic thread title (BTW go back 10 pages and follow the sarcastic anti-Obama thread titles, it's been done before by guys dumber than you) yet for someone who is willing to berate virtually anyone who disagrees with your politics... I find you to be easily agitated when you are called ever so lightly on your own fallacies.

If you want to be serious about these two wars fine, but making fun of the leader of the United States who is ultimately responsible as you have here with your thread title and hundreds of other posts since before Obama was elected becomes tiresome and very, very predictable.

hence I kid you, poke some fun... make a few jokeys

[kaiser soze]

what's your fucking point?!

You support the wars but you're also upset that Obama hasn't pulled the troops out

make up your mind!

you're becoming a valvano clone - all about the fail eh?

[RobMoney$]

Kaiser, you're as obnoxious as your avatar.

[kaiser soze]

whatever fuckface

[Dorothy Wood]

No, I'd waste my time bitching that it was Hoover's mess and send you newspaper clippings in the mail that were over 6 years old to prove it.




I'm not sure what this thread is ultimately about, but this made me LOL.

You know, the idea of everyone in this section fighting via actual mail.

*snicker*

sorry, carry on.