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Guy Incognito
02-03-2010, 05:18 PM
talk about it in here , i'll see you on sunday when i get to see it(y)
Lyman Zerga
02-03-2010, 09:19 PM
ive barely seen the 5th season, hope that helps
checkyourprez
02-03-2010, 09:55 PM
oook im just going off the top of the dome in non sequential order.
i think the new plane scenes may be a parallel universe. desmond is on the plane, boones sister is not. hurley is lucky, when hes really not. charlie "should have died". what was the deal with the camera zooming underwater to the island being at the bottom of the ocean?
back on the island...locke really is dead. the guy in the black is in his body, hes also the smoke monster. how come he could not be killed by the bullets, but jacob was able to be killed and did not fight back? has to be something about "the loophole" i just dont know what it is.
what did Juliette mean when she said "it worked"? (clearly the obvious answer is obvious, but is anything really obvious on lost?)
who are these other others? were they the people in the beginning of lost who we saw going through the jungle dragging the teddy bear? the others that we know were normally dressed people. just a thought.
the healing water. goes murky when jacob dies. but yet still worked.
who is john lennon and yoko ono in the other others?
prob way more that will come to me as i revisit the thread. answer away (HAL looking in your direction!!! ;))
checkyourprez
02-09-2010, 02:33 AM
well.......
can't we merge the two threads?
Or are we gonna run two threads side by side just like in the plot where neither makes as much sense as the other?
Guy Incognito
02-09-2010, 04:22 AM
can't we merge the two threads?
Or are we gonna run two threads side by side just like in the plot where neither makes as much sense as the other?
hahaha, i was gonna get this deleted until you wrote that, it makes perfect sense now to have two threads
it was my fault for being all organised
So, if the smoke monster can turn into people , is it possible that the water in the temple is jacob? It went a funny colour when he died?
IS Sayid now jacob?
checkyourprez
02-09-2010, 10:54 AM
hahaha, i was gonna get this deleted until you wrote that, it makes perfect sense now to have two threads
it was my fault for being all organised
So, if the smoke monster can turn into people , is it possible that the water in the temple is jacob? It went a funny colour when he died?
IS Sayid now jacob?
i saw this some place else and think its a really good hypothesis. sayid is really dead. jacob is in his body. but that doesn't explain the extra body of locke.
Guy Incognito
02-09-2010, 01:28 PM
i saw this some place else and think its a really good hypothesis. sayid is really dead. jacob is in his body. but that doesn't explain the extra body of locke.
lockes dead in the coffin and the smoke monster is using his spirit, i see what you mean about if thats the case then there should be a dead sayid but they are obviously different entities, i dont think jacob and the other bloke are a bad and good spirit of the same kind, i'm still uncertain who is good and who is bad out of those two
HAL 9000
02-09-2010, 02:10 PM
OK I got kind of thrown by that episode which left me with more questions than answers, but here are some thoughts. My main problem was simply not being able to remember what has happened before and what theories I used to have…still a bit lost but it is slowly coming back to me! I also find it hard to care about the alternate timeline – those landing at LAX are just a bunch of people who went on a plane – but I’m sure there will be more to it. Also note the episode was called ‘LA X’ not ‘LAX’. In comics the term X is often used to imply an alternate universe.
The smoke monster is and always has been Jacobs nemesis. One feature of the monster is its ability to assume the form of people it has met. Fake Locke is the smoke monster and also the nemesis of Jacob. When Ben saw that Locke was dead – he realised the deception.
The smoke monster aka the nemesis of Jacob, has been manipulating people since series 1 especially John Locke. As a science geek, I love the fact that all the time that Locke followed his ‘faith’ in the island, he was actually being tricked by the monster. He was never particularly special, he was just being used as a tool to manipulate Ben who (for reasons not yet clear) is unique in that he is able to kill Jacob (I would guess this is related to his resurrection in the temple) – Locke’s last thoughts of ‘I don’t understand’ emphasise that in an awesome bit of scripting..
Sayid is being resurrected in the tomb – obviously this once happened to Ben who kind of became evil. It seems like a good suggestion to say that Sayid will be the reincarnated form of Jacob but not certain – it is not clear that Ben was ever the reincarnated form of anyone (and if Sayid is now Jacob - it raises the question of who is Ben?)
The nemesis says he wants to go home. The implication is that Jacob was preventing this, but now Jacob is dead he is free to ‘go home’. Clearly the death of Jacob also means the temple is vulnerable in some way to the nemesis (judging by the Others reaction to Jacobs death). It would seem a reasonable assumption that the act of ‘going home’ involves the temple in someway and conflict with the Others.
We do not know if the bomb detonated, Jacks crew obviously leaped forward to ‘present day’ – eg 2007 before the detonation or at the exact same moment (as demonstrated by the fact that Juliet was not blown to a million pieces). Did the bomb go off? Why does Jacks crew still exist on the island (actually this is consistent with one of the main resolutions to the Grandfather Paradox being used in Lost see here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_paradox#Parallel_universes_resolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_paradox#Parallel_universes_resolution) )
Finally I like that we have the beginnings of an explanation for the interconnectedness of everyone’s lives. If the bomb did go off, then the split between the two universes occurred in the 1970s. This means that it is actually quite surprising that in both universes more or less the same people ended up living out similar lives. This along with Juliets apparent confusion about which universe she was in as she died, indicates (to me at least) that since the universes split the people in each universe have shared some kind of connection and hence have had these interconnected life stories.
I have loads of questions too but I will save them for another time
nodanaonlyzuul
02-09-2010, 02:38 PM
The smoke monster aka the nemesis of Jacob, has been manipulating people since series 1 especially John Locke. As a science geek, I love the fact that all the time that Locke followed his ‘faith’ in the island, he was actually being tricked by the monster. He was never particularly special, he was just being used as a tool to manipulate Ben who (for reasons not yet clear) is unique in that he is able to kill Jacob (I would guess this is related to his resurrection in the temple) – Locke’s last thoughts of ‘I don’t understand’ emphasise that in an awesome bit of scripting..
Remember how Richard went to talk to John Locke as a child? Then told him he wasn't ready. Yet Richard doesn't seem incahoots with the MIB so I'm a tad perplexed.
HAL 9000
02-09-2010, 06:43 PM
Remember how Richard went to talk to John Locke as a child? Then told him he wasn't ready. Yet Richard doesn't seem incahoots with the MIB so I'm a tad perplexed.
I had forgotten that. It is worth noting that when Richard visited young Locke, he had already met older time travelling locke and had been given the watch (and I think Locke told him when he was going to be born and where to find him). It may be that his knowledge that he would oneday meet Locke is the reason he looked for him and showed him the watch. However, the whole series of weird time travelling interactions between Richard and Locke DID turn out to be a trick by the MIB, because it was the MIB that gave Locke the watch (and told him that he must give it and a message to Richard). So these interactions between Richard and Lock were all masterminded by the MIB.
I have forgotten so much of this show, I need to watch it again
nodanaonlyzuul
02-09-2010, 08:33 PM
I had forgotten that. It is worth noting that when Richard visited young Locke, he had already met older time travelling locke and had been given the watch (and I think Locke told him when he was going to be born and where to find him). It may be that his knowledge that he would oneday meet Locke is the reason he looked for him and showed him the watch. However, the whole series of weird time travelling interactions between Richard and Locke DID turn out to be a trick by the MIB, because it was the MIB that gave Locke the watch (and told him that he must give it and a message to Richard). So these interactions between Richard and Lock were all masterminded by the MIB.
I have forgotten so much of this show, I need to watch it again
Ah, nice. I did not recall that part of it! TRICKY! Who was it that the MIB was formed as when he gave Locke the watch???
I really hope when they do give us answers and wrap it all up (the parts that they want to wrap up anyway) that they kind of break down and show all of these connections that occurred.
checkyourprez
02-09-2010, 10:47 PM
Mac from always sunny is in tonights ep. AWESOME. HILARIOUS.
checkyourprez
02-10-2010, 02:10 AM
some rowdy shit.
claire is back totting guns like she was the french woman. whats her deal?
others trying to poison sayid. and what is he infected by? what was the test about?
why do the others need sawyer and kate back?
you still wonder at times if the others are really good or bad (or atleast i do).
HAL 9000
02-10-2010, 06:42 AM
Ah, nice. I did not recall that part of it! TRICKY! Who was it that the MIB was formed as when he gave Locke the watch???
I really hope when they do give us answers and wrap it all up (the parts that they want to wrap up anyway) that they kind of break down and show all of these connections that occurred.
Now I think about it – I think MIB actually spoke to Richard in the form of John Locke before Richard encountered time travelling Locke by the crashed light aircraft. Time travelling locke had recently been shot and was approached by Richard, who had just been with MIB who he believed to be future John Locke. I think that is what happened.
Another thought just occurred to me, there was a scene where Miles was working as a medium and visited a ladies house, went upstairs and spoke to her dead son(or something). On the way back down, it was noticeable that all the pictures on the wall were different. I wonder if that scene was showing us clips from Miles in both universes.
I have not seen the latest epsiode of lost - so I will duck out of here until I have!
They should do a writers commentary of the whole 6 series – explaining the significance of each scene!
ericlee
02-10-2010, 08:05 AM
When Claire and Kate went to the hospital, wasn't the doctor one of the others on the island? I know I have seen him, so much stuff going on that it's hard for me to keep track of things.
checkyourprez
02-10-2010, 09:57 AM
When Claire and Kate went to the hospital, wasn't the doctor one of the others on the island? I know I have seen him, so much stuff going on that it's hard for me to keep track of things.
o yayayaya. def i wanted to mentioned that but i get so much shit running through my head after an ep i forget.
hes the one of the others in the first season who infiltrates the people on the beach. but that doesnt really make a lot of sense how he would have gotten on the island. if he was a doctor in sydney at that point how could he also be on the island to infultrate the 815 survivors.
if anything he would have had to be on the plane and crash with them, but hes already in his scrubs performing doctorly duties. that is weird.
nodanaonlyzuul
02-10-2010, 01:01 PM
yeah that was Ethan.
Maybe because it's a Alternative Universe and it showed the island under water, Ethan never went to the island. It looks like, at least because they show the swing sets in the scene, that the island went under water during the 70's, perhaps when the bomb went off. As if it put a splinter in time at that point and there they are in that AU.
mathcart
02-10-2010, 04:16 PM
Now I think about it – I think MIB actually spoke to Richard in the form of John Locke before Richard encountered time travelling Locke by the crashed light aircraft. Time travelling locke had recently been shot and was approached by Richard, who had just been with MIB who he believed to be future John Locke. I think that is what happened.
I don't remember this being the case, but I'm having a lot of trouble piecing together the season 5 timeline without rewatching it, but isnt the time traveling happening in the beginning of the season (namely when John Locke was still under his own ridiculous control) and the time jumping stopped (somehow- cant remember how right now) and they settled into 1970's Dharmaville and Locke left the island and was murdered and only upon the Algiera flight returning to the island does the "MIB" (as you people are fond of calling him- my crew has settled on Esau- cause where biblical like that) become faux Locke. SO the whole watch shit was non- advesary manipulation (although that shit was Awesomely manipulative- but that is a whole other can of worms...)
Right? Am I getting that wrong. My memory is that Richard gives the watch to him right after he gets shot by Ben and that time traveling Locke (read not evil bizaro Locke) walks into the other camp in the 50's to give richard the watch. Unless I'm misremembering (always possible) or not understanding the facts as they currently lie (also possible). I'm either gonna need a better explanation why everyone in this thread is saying MIB Locke manipulated Richard or I'ma need you all to stop saying that! Theres enough thoroughly confusing shit out there without misinformation getting in the way.
Sorry, I don't mean to be bitchy, but It's hard enough to keep it all straight ya know...
:confused:
HAL 9000
02-10-2010, 04:40 PM
I have just looked this up. The Esau manipulation is seen in episode 15 of series 5 when he Ben and Richard are on their way to meet Jacob in the statue. I have found this youtube clip of when it happens
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQwkT_4mvj0
mathcart
02-10-2010, 04:50 PM
Ok a few thoughts/observations on the first few episodes:
1) I had no idea how much I missed being confused and frustrated in such a clever and entertaining way until LOST reentered my life, so hallelujah for that shit
now down to brass tacks...
2) So there seems to be two parallel timelines we are following now, that in a LOST first, feature the same characters existing at the same time. I never clicked on HAL or anybody else's links to LOSTepia theories and that such shit because I refuse to read any of it til its all over but this would seem to invalidate several of the theories ive heard anecdotally thrown out (not that theres anything wrong with those sites- I get it I do, I just dont want to deal with it yet).
My friends and I have taken to dubbing it the "reasonable" and "unreasonable" timelines especially when in the end of the season premiere Jack and Locke had the most reasonable exchange we've ever seen those 2 have. Things got decided more unreasonable in episode 2 however... (it was fun while it lasted though, imagine the possibilities, someone asks Jack to do something mildly vague and he would ask why and get a reasonable explanation and he would talk to other people about it, its almost too much to ask for actually)
3) I don't want to dwell to much on faux Locke because this seems to be a lynch pin of where this season is going so as suck I expect this is what we will spend much of the seasons debating and theorizing about as we get new shit each week. Although it was cool to get a smoke monster answer via this route. I'm sure I will have much more to say about this as the season goes on but not so much now.
4) Richard. When Esau sees Richard at the end of the season Premiere he says, "Nice to see you not in Chains" or something similar. Remembering that this is LOST island where they (the writers) try to trick you by saying seemingly deep stuff that you assume could not be taken at face value, I'm sure we were meant to take this at face value, because then by extrapolation:
Richard was a slave on the Black Rock- remember in the end of season one we see the chains in the cargo hold? If this is the case (which I'm convinced it is) I think this is both well down and cool, but I don't know what it means for us the viewers. It certainly doesn't speak to his not aging or his almost demi-god status to Jacob and Esau's god-like existence. But it is cool. Looking forward to seeing where that is going...
5) Possible explanation for all the dead people we've seen having a stroll on LOST island- Esau. Jack's dad in the cabin that Jacob abandoned but that Esau was hanging out in (with Claire and her pop). Maybe...
while were on Claire though...
6) Claire, Sayid and Ben have all been "infected"? We know how it happened for Ben and Sayid, but wtf happened to cause Claire to become the bad-ass, gun-toting, bear trap laying slice of awesome that we now have on thoroughly unreasonable island? Shits crazy. Assuming there will be more here.
Very fun few episodes all told. Glad to have it back.
Also I love a snow day.
End of theorizing...
:o
mathcart
02-10-2010, 04:57 PM
I have just looked this up. The Esau manipulation is seen in episode 15 of series 5 when he Ben and Richard are on their way to meet Jacob in the statue. I have found this youtube clip of when it happens
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQwkT_4mvj0
Yep- your totally right- my bad! I only remembered the first time we see that (in the beginning of the season). Like a dummy I only re-watched the season finale before the new season. Sorry bout that- I knew it felt as right as wrong and I was hoping to either be right or to be reminded why I was a lazy dumb-ass. Thanks for obliging...
(y)
HAL 9000
02-10-2010, 05:02 PM
No worries, it is confusing as hell (but I love that a programme can be this difficult to follow and still have enough mainstream success to get made). I have forgotten so much of this show. I looked back at some of my old posts and cant remember why I thought some of the things I wrote.
Anyway really must leave this thread as the new episode is downloading now and I dont want to get spoiled!
i did not expect to see mac on this show
Echewta
02-10-2010, 06:35 PM
Immediately after the Island is apparently moved, Locke finds himself along with the other island survivors traveling through time at random points indicated by a bright flash. Locke finds himself alone and sees a plane crash, the same plane belonging to Eko's brother and the one Boone critically injuring himself in. Locke attempts to reach the plane, but is shot in the leg by Ethan. Ethan interrogates him, and Locke tells him Ben has appointed him the new leader of the Others. Ethan doesn't believe it, but before he can shoot Locke, another flash takes Locke through time again. This time, he is found by Richard, who explains that he knew where to find him from Locke himself. He informs Locke that they will be strangers at their next meeting, and thus gives him a compass to get his younger self to trust Locke. He also tells Locke this is happening because of those that have left the Island. To get them to return, he will need to die.[29]
I have to type something here because then the message is considered too short if I just put it in quotes so you've read this sentence for no reason.
checkyourprez
02-10-2010, 06:35 PM
i did not expect to see mac on this show
i was laughing at all his lines, i was just picturing mac yelling at those people.
and a dude on that show finally goes to put kate in her place, calling her a bitch (that she most defiantly is) and he gets shot. (n)
Documad
02-10-2010, 10:58 PM
yeah that was Ethan.
Maybe because it's a Alternative Universe and it showed the island under water, Ethan never went to the island. It looks like, at least because they show the swing sets in the scene, that the island went under water during the 70's, perhaps when the bomb went off. As if it put a splinter in time at that point and there they are in that AU.
It was 1977 when the bomb went off. If that's when the time split (and it seems like it should be) then I don't get why the Dr. Ethan in 2007 survived, unless his mom took him on a sub when the Darma doctor guy ordered people to evacuate. I can't remember exactly when he was born, but he was born on the island while Sawyer was head of Darma security. Ethan's dad should have died because his dad was there when the bomb went off in 1977. But I don't remember seeing him mom in that last episode of last season so I'm guessing she and the baby got off the island.
checkyourprez
02-11-2010, 02:37 AM
It was 1977 when the bomb went off. If that's when the time split (and it seems like it should be) then I don't get why the Dr. Ethan in 2007 survived, unless his mom took him on a sub when the Darma doctor guy ordered people to evacuate. I can't remember exactly when he was born, but he was born on the island while Sawyer was head of Darma security. Ethan's dad should have died because his dad was there when the bomb went off in 1977. But I don't remember seeing him mom in that last episode of last season so I'm guessing she and the baby got off the island.
good shitha.
i hope no one in here has already touched on this, i re-skimed the thread and i didn't catch anything. i talk lost on here, and then ill talk to people in my daily life who also watch it and its hard to remember where i heard what ya know.
(im also rewatching lost from the beginning with my gf because she has never seen it. shes watching season 1 and 6 simultaneously, lucky her :rolleyes:)
but anyways, in season 1 when russo (sp) first captures sayid and is talking about her husband and her other crew members and eventually says they all got sick and she had to kill them. this coinsides with what the others said at the end of the last episode about how sayid is sick like claire. im wondering if somehow that is all connected, and they are all talking about the same sickness, whatever it may be.
any thoughts? (sorry again if someone already touched on it)
HAL 9000
02-11-2010, 09:12 AM
Seen the new episode, not much to add at this point except to note that Miles was acting weirdly around Sayid when he was dead and revived and that he acted the same way around Claire shortly before she abandoned Aaron and ran off with her Dad (who presumably was really the smoke monster / nemesis dude).
I still find I am not really interested in the non-crash universe
Echewta
02-11-2010, 06:22 PM
Though I don't directly work for LOST, I am at a studio that deals with it. I have to be on my toes just walking outside my building because they do LOST stuff that won't be shown for weeks. I will not be spoiled!!
Burnout18
02-11-2010, 10:11 PM
I still find I am not really interested in the non-crash universe
I may eat these words one day BUT, I think it is bullshit filler to kill time.
I may eat these words one day BUT, I think it is bullshit filler to kill time.
i think it would be kind of an odd choice to add filler into your final season like that, i assume it's going somewhere. somewhere entertaining i hope.
Documad
02-11-2010, 10:47 PM
We don't know that the island sunk in 1977, but if it did, then Juliette never went there. A lot of things change in the non-crash current world if the island sunk in 1977. I suppose that's also why Desmond was on the plane?
checkyourprez
02-11-2010, 10:54 PM
I may eat these words one day BUT, I think it is bullshit filler to kill time.
is there really anything on lost that is bullshit filler? your going to be eating more than words my friend.
You know, with all the undead walking around atm it wouldn't surprise me if Boone, Charlie, Eko and who knows who come back in the final series. I mean it seems now most of those story lines were just fillers.
I might watch it from the beginning and by the time I'm caught up I should have a couple of episodes of the final series to watch and I'll have a clue what is happening.
checkyourprez
02-12-2010, 10:16 AM
You know, with all the undead walking around atm it wouldn't surprise me if Boone, Charlie, Eko and who knows who come back in the final series. I mean it seems now most of those story lines were just fillers.
I might watch it from the beginning and by the time I'm caught up I should have a couple of episodes of the final series to watch and I'll have a clue what is happening.
ya i heard some of them are gonna make a come back.
im watching now from the beginning. good little refresher to hold you over from week to week.
Guy Incognito
02-14-2010, 10:08 AM
4)
Richard was a slave on the Black Rock- remember in the end of season one we see the chains in the cargo hold? If this is the case (which I'm convinced it is) I think this is both well down and cool, but I don't know what it means for us the viewers. It certainly doesn't speak to his not aging or his almost demi-god status to Jacob and Esau's god-like existence. But it is cool. Looking forward to seeing where that is going...
now that is a great shout, hadnt thought of that.hmmm
I still find I am not really interested in the non-crash universe
We don't know that the island sunk in 1977, but if it did, then Juliette never went there. A lot of things change in the non-crash current world if the island sunk in 1977. I suppose that's also why Desmond was on the plane?
i think the non crash universe is there to show that these people still interacted in some way regardless of a plane crash or spooky island and maybe these stories will lead us someway to the answers on the island.
thats why ethan was in hospital and desmond on plane. i think that the guy who keeps cropping up at the airport who blew up with dynamite on the island in end of series 1 will come to a sticky end in the airport somehow.
the puupet guy in heroes was the cab driver.
is anyone agreeing with me that its feasible that the jacob who visited hurley isnt jacob and its the other geezer. i think that theory has holes but its possible.
have i got confused , is everyone on the island together now, are the people on the beach near the statue in the same time as everyone at the temple.
and if there is an alternative reality why isnt widmore still trying to find the island underwater?cos he left before 1977 and he would know of its significance.
Just started watching it again but S01E01 has no sounds so started on E02.
Shall I make comments as I watch it? I might until some1 tells me to shut up (which I'll assume will be the next post)
Claire said her baby hasn't moved since the crash in S01E02 but obviously it does - it moves after eating some fish
Kate is as annoying as she is now but in her bra and panties does look hot.
HAL 9000
02-14-2010, 04:48 PM
Just started watching it again but S01E01 has no sounds so started on E02.
Shall I make comments as I watch it? I might until some1 tells me to shut up (which I'll assume will be the next post)
Go for it - I am downloading the whole lot right now - going to watch it on the train to work. I am particularly looking to see how it looks now we know quite abit about the smoke monstor and its manipulation of people.
have i got confused , is everyone on the island together now, are the people on the beach near the statue in the same time as everyone at the temple.
Yes - we know this because the statue people saw the distress flare fired by the temple crew. All characters have returned to 'present day', i.e. about 3 years after the start of the show.
Guy Incognito
02-14-2010, 04:53 PM
Go for it - I am downloading the whole lot right now - going to watch it on the train to work. I am particularly looking to see how it looks now we know quite abit about the smoke monstor and its manipulation of people.
Yes - we know this because the statue people saw the distress flare fired by the temple crew. All characters have returned to 'present day', i.e. about 3 years after the start of the show.
thanks dude, it is very hard keeping track and remembering everything and then looking too closely at some completely insignificant bits and missing some obvious stuff. Which is probably how the writers want it.
Charile was gonna flush the heroin in S01, not swallow it.
Locke says he looked into the eye of the Island and what he saw was beautiful. Then persuades Jack to carry on chasing his dead dad into the jungle, then finds the fresh water and cave where his empty dads coffin is after thinking he saw his dad walking by. S01E05
None of it really significant but only thing I noted so far. But its just background noise for me mainly. I'm also going about my business.
edit
in S01E10 Claire has a dream in which Locke says "he was your responsiblity but you gave him away... everyone pays the price now" Says there is no happy life for this baby if raised by anyone else. Was the psyhic that freaked out and then told Claire to get on the plane to LAX a 'others' on the island?
mathcart
02-14-2010, 07:56 PM
HAPPY LOST VALENTINES! (http://community.livejournal.com/lost_tv/1834341.html)
(I'm very embarrassed at what a dork I am)
:o
mathcart
02-14-2010, 08:04 PM
sorry to double post, but this is awesome (i also just put it in the genius thread) LOST island subway map!
http://www.johncabrera.com/general/lost-on-the-subway.html
HAL 9000
02-14-2010, 08:21 PM
S01E05....
in S01E10 Claire has a dream in which Locke says "he was your responsiblity but you gave him away... everyone pays the price now" Says there is no happy life for this baby if raised by anyone else. Was the psyhic that freaked out and then told Claire to get on the plane to LAX a 'others' on the island?
Holy crap - are you watching these in fast forward?
Quite a few things were signficantly different in the alternate universe. Hurley thought himself very lucky (and I wonder how he won the lottery without the numbers), Locke went on the Walkabout (or at least claimed to - he originally was not allowed to go), Shannon did not get on the plane. Sun and Jin were married in the original timeline, in the alternate they have no rings and she uses her maiden name.
Holy crap - are you watching these in fast forward?
I was tidying the house, while house hunting (on the web), while drinking, while playing games on my phone, while Lost was on in the background.
I can't believe I watched (in the loosest sense) 9 episodes last night. I might get to the end before tomorrows episode :cool:
I have no life :o
Kid Presentable
02-15-2010, 04:44 AM
I've been thinking a lot about the alternate universe. Like how it's entirely possible that Sun didn't understand english and genuinely couldn't explain things at customs. Or that Jack's assertion that "nothing is irreversible" was made because he never made that fuck-up in the theatre.
For the alternative universe to mean anything you've got to ignore 5 previous seasons, this ain't Dallas I hope.
Guy Incognito
02-15-2010, 10:40 AM
I've been thinking a lot about the alternate universe. Like how it's entirely possible that Sun didn't understand english and genuinely couldn't explain things at customs. Or that Jack's assertion that "nothing is irreversible" was made because he never made that fuck-up in the theatre.
thats no computing with me. in one of the flashbacks before she got on the plane she learnt english. for some people the alternate universe would have only started somewhere over the pacific, anything we have seen in back stories beforehand would still be relevant i.e sun taking english lessons.
but if that were true does that doesnt explain why desmond was on that plane. cos he still would have gone round the world in a boat, i think
HAL 9000
02-15-2010, 10:46 AM
thats no computing with me. in one of the flashbacks before she got on the plane she learnt english. for some people the alternate universe would have only started somewhere over the pacific, anything we have seen in back stories beforehand would still be relevant i.e sun taking english lessons.
but if that were true does that doesnt explain why desmond was on that plane. cos he still would have gone round the world in a boat, i think
If the universes spilt when the bomb went off (which would make sense, if indeed the bomb went off at all) then the alternate universe has been in existence since 1977. The question then is, why is everyones life so similar in the alternate universe to the original?
We dont know why exactly, but the obvious answer would be that the lives of the people in both universes are in some way entangled.This might be why we know that their lives have always been interlinked with each other.
I worked it all out earlier but completely forgot as I've had a busy day. Oh well.
Also - Jacob could be could be the Sawyer that Sawyer is looking for - and did the con on his parents just for shits and giggles. Nothing to base this on but its as plausible as anything else.
Aaron (claires kid) could be Jacob. I mean, claire shouldn't be on the plane in the alternative universe (but was) as if the physic dude knew that plane was gonna crash, it was the only reason for THAT plane. She was gonna adopt to another couple is Oz, no need to go to LA for less money and a pointless round trip.
Guy Incognito
02-15-2010, 04:50 PM
^ good idea on aaron but the whole bible thing with jacob having a son called aaron is a more likely outcome. thats why they all needed to come back maybe.
the alternative reality is hurting my head. i dont see why it has to split at 1977 for everyone. sure for people like ethan and ben and people on the island but for people like sun i dont see why her life couldnt have gone on as previously explained. although having said that would jin being on the island in 1977 fuck all that up. aaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhh
Guy Incognito
02-15-2010, 04:51 PM
oh and wasnt lockes dad the original sawyer?
HAL 9000
02-15-2010, 05:19 PM
^ good idea on aaron but the whole bible thing with jacob having a son called aaron is a more likely outcome. thats why they all needed to come back maybe.
the alternative reality is hurting my head. i dont see why it has to split at 1977 for everyone. sure for people like ethan and ben and people on the island but for people like sun i dont see why her life couldnt have gone on as previously explained. although having said that would jin being on the island in 1977 fuck all that up. aaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhh
Think of it this way, imagine for a moment that the island 'sunk' during the bomb blast in 1977. Loads of peoples lives would be effected by this. eg there are people who would have lived on the island who now live off of it.
Every time one of those people interacts with someone off the island, they are changing reality for the people they meet. The changes to the alternate universe caused by the sinking of the island would spread through the world like wildfire.
This is often known as the butterfly effect. I was born in 1979 s if I lived in the lost universe, I would probably not have been born in the alternate universe because the small changes to the universe in 1977 would have been sufficient to slightly change the circumstances leading to my conception. So maybe someone else would be here instead of me - millions of small changes would lead to big differences in outcomes.
So everybodies lives should have been completely changed by an event in 1977. The weird thing is that they apparently were not. The Lost universe probably containing some sort of 'destiny' concept.
HAL 9000
02-15-2010, 05:24 PM
oh and wasnt lockes dad the original sawyer?
I think that is right
Guy Incognito
02-15-2010, 06:28 PM
Think of it this way, imagine for a moment that the island 'sunk' during the bomb blast in 1977. Loads of peoples lives would be effected by this. eg there are people who would have lived on the island who now live off of it.
Every time one of those people interacts with someone off the island, they are changing reality for the people they meet. The changes to the alternate universe caused by the sinking of the island would spread through the world like wildfire.
This is often known as the butterfly effect. I was born in 1979 s if I lived in the lost universe, I would probably not have been born in the alternate universe because the small changes to the universe in 1977 would have been sufficient to slightly change the circumstances leading to my conception. So maybe someone else would be here instead of me - millions of small changes would lead to big differences in outcomes.
So everybodies lives should have been completely changed by an event in 1977. The weird thing is that they apparently were not. The Lost universe probably containing some sort of 'destiny' concept.
right so just reading this and i had a thought:
ok so they blow the whole island up in 1977. jacob( and the other geezer) are so immensely powerful that they can be here there and everywhere and everywhen. what if they just got off when the bomb went off and maybe they are the ones pulling the people back together in the alternate reality.
i dont see why it has to necessairly involve the island. It might have just been a nice place for these two powerful freaks to live. am i making any sense?
I think that is right
locke got james sawyer to kill him after reading the file, unless that wasnt really lockes dad. i dont believe anyone is who they say there at the minute.
S01E13 - Locke ties Boone up and sees Shannon die via the smoke monster. Locke says "is that what it made you see". She didn't die obviously but the episode makes it look like Locke controls the smoke monster (in hindsight after seeing latest). As for Boone only experiencing the event, no real reference to that part from some magic potion Locke made and put on Boone's open wound.
I'm kinda getting obsessed with Lost again, I wanna understand it on a level higher than 'huh'.
Kid Presentable
02-15-2010, 06:50 PM
thats no computing with me. in one of the flashbacks before she got on the plane she learnt english. for some people the alternate universe would have only started somewhere over the pacific, anything we have seen in back stories beforehand would still be relevant i.e sun taking english lessons.
but if that were true does that doesnt explain why desmond was on that plane. cos he still would have gone round the world in a boat, i think
I think there are subtle differences. There have to be, otherwise why is Sun not wearing a wedding band and why does Hurley think himself to be lucky?
bigfatlove06
02-15-2010, 07:27 PM
Ok a few thoughts/observations on the first few episodes:
2) So there seems to be two parallel timelines we are following now, that in a LOST first, feature the same characters existing at the same time. I never clicked on HAL or anybody else's links to LOSTepia theories and that such shit because I refuse to read any of it til its all over but this would seem to invalidate several of the theories ive heard anecdotally thrown out (not that theres anything wrong with those sites- I get it I do, I just dont want to deal with it yet).
My friends and I have taken to dubbing it the "reasonable" and "unreasonable" timelines especially when in the end of the season premiere Jack and Locke had the most reasonable exchange we've ever seen those 2 have. Things got decided more unreasonable in episode 2 however... (it was fun while it lasted though, imagine the possibilities, someone asks Jack to do something mildly vague and he would ask why and get a reasonable explanation and he would talk to other people about it, its almost too much to ask for actually)
:o
They aren't actually in the same time. On the Island it is 2007. On the flight to LA it is 2004. What is going on now (according to the creators on the podcast) is an equally real time-line. This could mean that they intend for the characters in 2004 to eventually meet the same fate (albeit in under a different set of circumstances) as the people in 2007 the story being how they end up at the same point (if not in the same physical time and space, at least in the same circumstances.. i.e. alive, dead, happy, crazy, etc). Or that could be a complete obfuscation and they could mean that each of the two are equally valid realities http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many_worlds_theory Given that they have said the show will have a definite ending and that they have hinted that the divergence will be resolved my guess is that the universe will course correct and the characters that landed safely in LA in 2004 will in some way or another be inexorably drawn back to the island and the disparities will be resolved.
bigfatlove06
02-15-2010, 07:37 PM
I don't remember this being the case, but I'm having a lot of trouble piecing together the season 5 timeline without rewatching it, but isnt the time traveling happening in the beginning of the season (namely when John Locke was still under his own ridiculous control) and the time jumping stopped (somehow- cant remember how right now) and they settled into 1970's Dharmaville and Locke left the island and was murdered and only upon the Algiera flight returning to the island does the "MIB" (as you people are fond of calling him- my crew has settled on Esau- cause where biblical like that) become faux Locke. SO the whole watch shit was non- advesary manipulation (although that shit was Awesomely manipulative- but that is a whole other can of worms...)
Right? Am I getting that wrong. My memory is that Richard gives the watch to him right after he gets shot by Ben and that time traveling Locke (read not evil bizaro Locke) walks into the other camp in the 50's to give richard the watch. Unless I'm misremembering (always possible) or not understanding the facts as they currently lie (also possible). I'm either gonna need a better explanation why everyone in this thread is saying MIB Locke manipulated Richard or I'ma need you all to stop saying that! Theres enough thoroughly confusing shit out there without misinformation getting in the way.
Sorry, I don't mean to be bitchy, but It's hard enough to keep it all straight ya know...
:confused:
The compass is on a loop. During the first time jumps Real Locke begins skipping around, is shot by Ethan, then skips forward to 2007. Chronologically this is after Ben has killed him off of the island. In 2007 the real Locke is dead and being transported in a box across the island. Fake Locke (MIB) gives Richard the compass and asks him to give it to real (time traveling) Locke. Richard (who does not yet know that fake Locke is the MIB) follows his instructions. Real John Lock then skips back to 1954 and gives the same compass back to Richard.... Ah, the circle of life.
bigfatlove06
02-15-2010, 07:45 PM
is there really anything on lost that is bullshit filler? your going to be eating more than words my friend.
Nikki and Paulo?
bigfatlove06
02-15-2010, 07:49 PM
Holy crap - are you watching these in fast forward?
Quite a few things were signficantly different in the alternate universe. Hurley thought himself very lucky (and I wonder how he won the lottery without the numbers), Locke went on the Walkabout (or at least claimed to - he originally was not allowed to go), Shannon did not get on the plane. Sun and Jin were married in the original timeline, in the alternate they have no rings and she uses her maiden name.
Carlton and Damon revealed in a podcast that "it appears Lock was lying..." to Boone about the walk about.
bigfatlove06
02-15-2010, 07:53 PM
thats no computing with me. in one of the flashbacks before she got on the plane she learnt english. for some people the alternate universe would have only started somewhere over the pacific, anything we have seen in back stories beforehand would still be relevant i.e sun taking english lessons.
but if that were true does that doesnt explain why desmond was on that plane. cos he still would have gone round the world in a boat, i think
The split which created the parallel universe didn't occur in 2004 when the plane didn't crash, it occurred in 1977 when Juliet detonated the H-bomb. So anything we know about the past of the characters is valid only up to that point.
bigfatlove06
02-15-2010, 08:04 PM
Think of it this way, imagine for a moment that the island 'sunk' during the bomb blast in 1977. Loads of peoples lives would be effected by this. eg there are people who would have lived on the island who now live off of it.
Every time one of those people interacts with someone off the island, they are changing reality for the people they meet. The changes to the alternate universe caused by the sinking of the island would spread through the world like wildfire.
This is often known as the butterfly effect. I was born in 1979 s if I lived in the lost universe, I would probably not have been born in the alternate universe because the small changes to the universe in 1977 would have been sufficient to slightly change the circumstances leading to my conception. So maybe someone else would be here instead of me - millions of small changes would lead to big differences in outcomes.
So everybodies lives should have been completely changed by an event in 1977. The weird thing is that they apparently were not. The Lost universe probably containing some sort of 'destiny' concept.
Direct hit. So if the universe does actually "course correct" as Eloise suggested to Desmond when trying to dissuade him from proposing to Penny (and is really at the heart of the major question of the show fate vs. self determination, faith vs. science) then it will be cool to see how the people who landed safely in 2004 end up in the same circumstances as their 2007 counterparts.
Guy Incognito
02-16-2010, 04:34 AM
I think there are subtle differences. There have to be, otherwise why is Sun not wearing a wedding band and why does Hurley think himself to be lucky?
hmmm. didnt notice sun not wearing a ring. good spot.
maybe hurley's luck is to do with him being there when the bomb went off, maybe his luck is all about to change
god this show is good
Guy Incognito
02-16-2010, 04:38 AM
The split which created the parallel universe didn't occur in 2004 when the plane didn't crash, it occurred in 1977 when Juliet detonated the H-bomb. So anything we know about the past of the characters is valid only up to that point.
i still maintain that its feasible for some of the characters not to have had massively different lives from 1977 to 2004. i do understand the difference and when the time split but i am not entirley convinced. I mean theyall ended up on the same flight! The more i think about it my theory about jacob and MIB leaving the island is a goer
Kid Presentable
02-16-2010, 05:13 AM
hmmm. didnt notice sun not wearing a ring. good spot.
maybe hurley's luck is to do with him being there when the bomb went off, maybe his luck is all about to change
god this show is good
Which bomb? On the island? That's a different Hurley, dude. There is either something you are not getting about the parallel universe and it being in 2004, or something I missed in your post.
Guy Incognito
02-16-2010, 07:59 AM
Which bomb? On the island? That's a different Hurley, dude. There is either something you are not getting about the parallel universe and it being in 2004, or something I missed in your post.
yeah i know its a different hurley. I was just guessing at something that might happen. I maybe getting a little confused but I do understand the parallel thing i just dont think that everything has to be different or completely altered by the fact that a bomb went off in 1977. I have seen all these theories backed up with proper evidence but at the end of the day its a fictional tv show where anything is possible.
they all ended up on a flight in 2004 (in both universes) , hurley for example won the lottery in both (same numbers?) yet because he says he is lucky in one universe doesnt register with me that its completely different from the no bomb in 1977 universe.
mathcart
02-16-2010, 07:17 PM
They aren't actually in the same time. On the Island it is 2007. On the flight to LA it is 2004. What is going on now (according to the creators on the podcast) is an equally real time-line. This could mean that they intend for the characters in 2004 to eventually meet the same fate (albeit in under a different set of circumstances) as the people in 2007 the story being how they end up at the same point (if not in the same physical time and space, at least in the same circumstances.. i.e. alive, dead, happy, crazy, etc). Or that could be a complete obfuscation and they could mean that each of the two are equally valid realities http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many_worlds_theory Given that they have said the show will have a definite ending and that they have hinted that the divergence will be resolved my guess is that the universe will course correct and the characters that landed safely in LA in 2004 will in some way or another be inexorably drawn back to the island and the disparities will be resolved.
Good catch. I seem to be excelling at having egg on my face, bad job by me...
:o
Yeah I'm looking forward to the 2 timelines crashing together (or whatever).
(y)
Burnout18
02-17-2010, 10:12 AM
ok the first thing i don't understand (this season) popped up last night. Wasn't Ben on the island as a kid in 1977 when it blew up. What is he doing teaching European history in LA in 2004?
Echewta
02-17-2010, 02:31 PM
Purgatory?
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Valenzetti_Equation
I think this is still an important part of the show.
HAL 9000
02-17-2010, 07:46 PM
ok the first thing i don't understand (this season) popped up last night. Wasn't Ben on the island as a kid in 1977 when it blew up. What is he doing teaching European history in LA in 2004?
I think you are correct, before the bomb, Ben was getting healed in the temple having been shot by Sayid.
I am wondering if it is possible if he never got shot in the alternate universe because Sayid would not be there to shoot him. I dont think that quite works tough and the time paradoxes make my head hurt.
Burnout18
02-17-2010, 08:48 PM
I think you are correct, before the bomb, Ben was getting healed in the temple having been shot by Sayid.
I am wondering if it is possible if he never got shot in the alternate universe because Sayid would not be there to shoot him. I dont think that quite works tough and the time paradoxes make my head hurt.
We would have to know where the alternative timeline starts. i guess.
yea thats a pretty tricky one.
also i thought it was odd to see richard alpert so frightened after being in control for most of the series.
checkyourprez
02-17-2010, 10:47 PM
We would have to know where the alternative timeline starts. i guess.
yea thats a pretty tricky one.
also i thought it was odd to see richard alpert so frightened after being in control for most of the series.
its like richard was in prison and he was jacobs bitch. now jacob was that BIG ass dude that no one wanted to fuck with. he used to take karate, and was head of the gang. so no ones fucking with richard as long as hes dolling out the bj's to big J. buuut, someone paid a dude a lot of money to shank him in the shower, and big J died. now richard is proper fucked.
hopefully that prison analogy helped.
Burnout18
02-18-2010, 11:25 AM
its like richard was in prison and he was jacobs bitch. now jacob was that BIG ass dude that no one wanted to fuck with. he used to take karate, and was head of the gang. so no ones fucking with richard as long as hes dolling out the bj's to big J. buuut, someone paid a dude a lot of money to shank him in the shower, and big J died. now richard is proper fucked.
hopefully that prison analogy helped.
haha thats great. Perfect analogy.
On the latest episode:
The guy in Australia who called the feds on Kate for the reward was for $23k. Did we see Kate's number?
Also, is Locke gonna spend time with them all and decide who the candidate is - since he crossed out sawyer it ain't him. But that seems too obvious.
checkyourprez
02-19-2010, 11:07 AM
On the latest episode:
The guy in Australia who called the feds on Kate for the reward was for $23k. Did we see Kate's number?
Also, is Locke gonna spend time with them all and decide who the candidate is - since he crossed out sawyer it ain't him. But that seems too obvious.
he didnt cross out sawyer did he? i thought he crossed out locke.
I dunno. I didn't pay too much attention to the episode - it didn't grip me from the start, plus I was drinking.
checkyourprez
02-19-2010, 12:06 PM
I dunno. I didn't pay too much attention to the episode - it didn't grip me from the start, plus I was drinking.
yea drinking and lost do not mix.
he defiantly crossed off locke.
pretty cool those are hugos numbers.
what ever happened to suns baby? i cant remember?
HAL 9000
02-19-2010, 01:35 PM
This link has some stills of the names that are crossed out - think Faraday is on there and maybe a few Others
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob%27s_cave
So Shepard is 23 - maybe Kate marries Jack in the end and that is how my previous thought works in cus of the name change.
checkyourprez
02-19-2010, 06:58 PM
i asked about suns baby because i forgot what happend to it, did it miscarriage? but also because it only says kwon, so it could be jin or sun...or the baby if its alive i suppose.
Guy Incognito
02-20-2010, 03:04 PM
personally, i think the candidate has already been chosen but i know fuck all
so jacobs writing all these names and mib is crossing them out?
this all has something to do with the fact jacob just put the black rock near the island.
question: a few seasons back when ben showed sawyer the other island, wasnt there a ladder there as well.
anyway good episdoe
mathcart
02-20-2010, 03:33 PM
Think of it this way, imagine for a moment that the island 'sunk' during the bomb blast in 1977. Loads of peoples lives would be effected by this. eg there are people who would have lived on the island who now live off of it.
Every time one of those people interacts with someone off the island, they are changing reality for the people they meet. The changes to the alternate universe caused by the sinking of the island would spread through the world like wildfire.
This is often known as the butterfly effect. I was born in 1979 s if I lived in the lost universe, I would probably not have been born in the alternate universe because the small changes to the universe in 1977 would have been sufficient to slightly change the circumstances leading to my conception. So maybe someone else would be here instead of me - millions of small changes would lead to big differences in outcomes.
So everybodies lives should have been completely changed by an event in 1977. The weird thing is that they apparently were not. The Lost universe probably containing some sort of 'destiny' concept.
Direct hit. So if the universe does actually "course correct" as Eloise suggested to Desmond when trying to dissuade him from proposing to Penny (and is really at the heart of the major question of the show fate vs. self determination, faith vs. science) then it will be cool to see how the people who landed safely in 2004 end up in the same circumstances as their 2007 counterparts.
Rereading this thread today I wanted to say what good points I think these are.
(y)
A good friend of mine is both horrified and relatively certain this will play itself out with the alternate timeliners having a "choice" as to where to exist.
I enjoy making fun of him about it because it seems, a) dumb and b) as Hal and bfl have said, fundamentally opposed to where we seem to be going.
Self correction is a bitch (in the LOST universe at least)...
Should be fun!
(y)
I've been trying to wrap my head around the first 'incident' that consequently was the need for the hatch and the numbers to be put in.
Was that the incident of the bomb in 1977? But then how could it be? Another incident we haven't seen yet? That'd mean skipping back in time? Is it yet another reality?
I feel that this question has been answered but I can't remember if it has or if it was glossed over.
checkyourprez
02-21-2010, 12:22 PM
I've been trying to wrap my head around the first 'incident' that consequently was the need for the hatch and the numbers to be put in.
Was that the incident of the bomb in 1977? But then how could it be? Another incident we haven't seen yet? That'd mean skipping back in time? Is it yet another reality?
I feel that this question has been answered but I can't remember if it has or if it was glossed over.
when they hit the energy thing drilling. they needed to build it and then type in the numbers to keep the island from busting a nutt.
when they hit the energy thing drilling. they needed to build it and then type in the numbers to keep the island from busting a nutt.
I don't remember any of that.
Did you ever find out what happened to Sun's baby? Didn't think about it until you said it now it has me wondering.
Guy Incognito
02-21-2010, 02:44 PM
fairly sure sun had kid when she made it back to mainland as one of the 6, had the kid and then came back, i presume a family member or nanny is looking after the kid
HAL 9000
02-21-2010, 03:19 PM
I've been trying to wrap my head around the first 'incident' that consequently was the need for the hatch and the numbers to be put in.
Was that the incident of the bomb in 1977? But then how could it be? Another incident we haven't seen yet? That'd mean skipping back in time? Is it yet another reality?
I feel that this question has been answered but I can't remember if it has or if it was glossed over.
I think we dont know. We do know that 'something' was happening even before the bomb went off (eg they had drilled into a pocket of energy and things were going mental). But we dont know for certain whether the bomb caused or prevented the incident.
There are a few things bothering me, expecially when Richard Alpert said that in series 5 that he had watched Jack and co die horribly back in the 70s. I thought this meant that they would get radiation poisoning from the bomb, but clearly we have not been shown this. There is something that just does not sit right with me about the current on-island universe. If the Jack crew just went back to the present, why does Richard remember seeing them die in the 70s?
Also I am pretty sure that it was Hurleys voice we here on the numbers broadcast on the French teams radio in the 80s- when is he going to record that?
Also, adam and eve are supposed to have died in the 70s and it seems a good bet that they are 2 of the lost crew...
which all leads me to thing we are not done with time travel yet. I wonder if there is a bit of the story missing, i.e. we have seen that one successfully detonating the bomb the universe splits and our heros go back to the present. I have assumed that the part of the story where our heors go back to present day island is a path where they were unsuccessful, but it neednt be like that (according to some solutions of time paradoxes). So I wonder if there is a bit of story where the bomb does not detonate and the losties are left in the 70s to experience the original 'incident'. It would be during this bit of story that events like the recording of the numbers and the death of adam and eve would have to happen.
Guy Incognito
02-21-2010, 03:37 PM
i seem to remember that when the island went thru all those timeshifts that rose and bernard were in one where they stated they were just looking after themselves. anyway they rose was in white and bernard in black or the other way round but i still think it could them who are adam and eve.
checkyourprez
02-21-2010, 04:03 PM
I don't remember any of that.
Did you ever find out what happened to Sun's baby? Didn't think about it until you said it now it has me wondering.
im not positive, but im pretty sure thats why the built the hatch. and the numbers had to be entered. i forget the exacts, but they hit the energy pocket. and had to do something (cement all around it? i forget exactly what) and then for whatever reason the numbers being entered prevented whatever would happen. i dont know how the numbers came to be of significance. but it turns out now that those numbers are the 6 finalists to save the island. so maybe its some symbolism that those 6 numbers were constantly saving the island...? idk.
fairly sure sun had kid when she made it back to mainland as one of the 6, had the kid and then came back, i presume a family member or nanny is looking after the kid
nice. this makes you question even more the "kwon" on the ceiling.
I think we dont know. We do know that 'something' was happening even before the bomb went off (eg they had drilled into a pocket of energy and things were going mental). But we dont know for certain whether the bomb caused or prevented the incident.
There are a few things bothering me, expecially when Richard Alpert said that in series 5 that he had watched Jack and co die horribly back in the 70s. I thought this meant that they would get radiation poisoning from the bomb, but clearly we have not been shown this. There is something that just does not sit right with me about the current on-island universe. If the Jack crew just went back to the present, why does Richard remember seeing them die in the 70s?
Also I am pretty sure that it was Hurleys voice we here on the numbers broadcast on the French teams radio in the 80s- when is he going to record that?
Also, adam and eve are supposed to have died in the 70s and it seems a good bet that they are 2 of the lost crew...
which all leads me to thing we are not done with time travel yet. I wonder if there is a bit of the story missing, i.e. we have seen that one successfully detonating the bomb the universe splits and our heros go back to the present. I have assumed that the part of the story where our heors go back to present day island is a path where they were unsuccessful, but it neednt be like that (according to some solutions of time paradoxes). So I wonder if there is a bit of story where the bomb does not detonate and the losties are left in the 70s to experience the original 'incident'. It would be during this bit of story that events like the recording of the numbers and the death of adam and eve would have to happen.
yea id tend to think miles and faraday have bigger parts to play yet in the remainder of the show.
i seem to remember that when the island went thru all those timeshifts that rose and bernard were in one where they stated they were just looking after themselves. anyway they rose was in white and bernard in black or the other way round but i still think it could them who are adam and eve.
this was my thoughts on who adam and eve were. maybe they died before the bomb/revert back to 07. its kinda weird tho then that their dead bodies would be on the island when they get there on the original plan crash ya know what im saying.
HAL 9000
02-21-2010, 04:03 PM
i seem to remember that when the island went thru all those timeshifts that rose and bernard were in one where they stated they were just looking after themselves. anyway they rose was in white and bernard in black or the other way round but i still think it could them who are adam and eve.
Well remembered, I had forgotten that they were in the 70s. It would be a little odd if they had not gone forward with Jack and Sawyer and but it could definately be them (Lost is certainly a little odd).
bigfatlove06
02-23-2010, 09:30 PM
There are a few things bothering me, expecially when Richard Alpert said that in series 5 that he had watched Jack and co die horribly back in the 70s. I thought this meant that they would get radiation poisoning from the bomb, but clearly we have not been shown this. There is something that just does not sit right with me about the current on-island universe. If the Jack crew just went back to the present, why does Richard remember seeing them die in the 70s?
which all leads me to thing we are not done with time travel yet. I wonder if there is a bit of the story missing, i.e. we have seen that one successfully detonating the bomb the universe splits and our heros go back to the present. I have assumed that the part of the story where our heors go back to present day island is a path where they were unsuccessful, but it neednt be like that (according to some solutions of time paradoxes). So I wonder if there is a bit of story where the bomb does not detonate and the losties are left in the 70s to experience the original 'incident'. It would be during this bit of story that events like the recording of the numbers and the death of adam and eve would have to happen.
Maybe Richard was talking about the purge, which never happened in the current island time-line because the bomb detonated thus changing things.
My real question is was it actually the bomb detonating which led to the two parallel time-lines we are seeing now? In the on island time line, the only ones who have any memory of the bomb detonating are the 815 survivors. In the off island time line we see Ben who had to have been with the others on the Island (not a time traveling Ben, but the actual original 1977 child Ben). If the bomb actually caused the parallel time lines (and the island to sink in 1977) then anyone who was on the island and in their correct time (or anyone who was not in '77 as a result of the island skipping through time) would have gone down with it instead of being sent back to 2007. It is entirely possible that the island sank and the divergent time lines were created by another incident, or that we will get some sort of explanation that will not require all of the '77 non time traveling to have died in the H-bomb explosion.
Echewta
02-25-2010, 02:10 PM
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Candidates
Pretty fun
checkyourprez
02-28-2010, 02:10 AM
back from season 1 when hugo is playing connect four with lenny, lenny starts freaking out about the numbers how they are bad and stuff. how does lenny know that?
back from season 1 when hugo is playing connect four with lenny, lenny starts freaking out about the numbers how they are bad and stuff. how does lenny know that?
Because bad shit started to happen to him and his crew after they heard the numbers. Same with Hurley. I'm not sure if they did something with the numbers to - not play the lottery but made some reference in their life to them.
An episode that wasn't really explained was when Hugo started seeing his imaginary friend again on the island and he said that he was in a coma and dreaming all this. Its in season 2 - which is where I am up to re-watching but I haven't really been paying much attention to it. Just background noise really. I doubt it'll have any effect on the ending but made me think, hmmmm...
checkyourprez
02-28-2010, 12:17 PM
Because bad shit started to happen to him and his crew after they heard the numbers. Same with Hurley. I'm not sure if they did something with the numbers to - not play the lottery but made some reference in their life to them.
An episode that wasn't really explained was when Hugo started seeing his imaginary friend again on the island and he said that he was in a coma and dreaming all this. Its in season 2 - which is where I am up to re-watching but I haven't really been paying much attention to it. Just background noise really. I doubt it'll have any effect on the ending but made me think, hmmmm...
fair enough. but how did lenny come in contact with the numbers?
fair enough. but how did lenny come in contact with the numbers?
he was stationed in the navy out the pacific I think - think they was listening for enemy stuff goin on.
Guy Incognito
02-28-2010, 03:14 PM
so it looks like dodgy locke is recruiting, he has sawyer (i presume), gun toting claire and sayid is on his way if the story is to be believed. Kates' done one so if its those four against a doctor, a fat man and a ghost.
checkyourprez
02-28-2010, 03:18 PM
so it looks like dodgy locke is recruiting, he has sawyer (i presume), gun toting claire and sayid is on his way if the story is to be believed. Kates' done one so if its those four against a doctor, a fat man and a ghost.
+ miles and a 1 legged chinamen.
Guy Incognito
02-28-2010, 03:24 PM
+ miles and a 1 legged chinamen.
i was assuming that hurley and jack dont make it back to the temple cos sayid might start kicking off but assuming things with this prgramme is pretty foolish.
seriously, though, where did that fucking lighthouse come from ( cos it wasnt far from where they were first based) and has that whole 2nd island thing ever been explained. did i miss a meeting, the only mention i can rememner was when ben blindfolded sawyer and then showed him another island.
Burnout18
03-01-2010, 06:14 PM
+ miles and a 1 legged chinamen.
do you think desmond is coming back? i thought thats who jacob wanted the lighthouse to "light the way" for last week.
checkyourprez
03-01-2010, 06:37 PM
do you think desmond is coming back? i thought thats who jacob wanted the lighthouse to "light the way" for last week.
not sure. i cant really see how he would get there. but then again its lost. the writing is so good i could see them somehow doing it.
Something I had forgot about. In Season 2: When Eco and John found that monitoring station for the hatch under the plane that killed Boon, the orientation film is dated 1980.
edit: It also kinda made a point of of showing 1980 to.
Guy Incognito
03-02-2010, 04:59 PM
Something I had forgot about. In Season 2: When Eco and John found that monitoring station for the hatch under the plane that killed Boon, the orientation film is dated 1980.
edit: It also kinda made a point of of showing 1980 to.
are you hinting that the bomb didnt go off then? it still could have done , i seem to remember a bit of that tape was missing and it could have been info about the explosion
checkyourprez
03-02-2010, 06:14 PM
Something I had forgot about. In Season 2: When Eco and John found that monitoring station for the hatch under the plane that killed Boon, the orientation film is dated 1980.
edit: It also kinda made a point of of showing 1980 to.
interesting.
man if lost was a book this thing would be thousands of pages long.
are you hinting that the bomb didnt go off then? it still could have done , i seem to remember a bit of that tape was missing and it could have been info about the explosion
Not hinting at anything really, I'm not intelligent enough for the theories really, just enjoying the ride. Just seemed to be of something to note.
DL the latest episode now, will watch it after work tonight probably. How many more weeks of this do we have? about 17? So will take us to mid-june? Loads could happen between then.
checkyourprez
03-03-2010, 11:09 AM
Not hinting at anything really, I'm not intelligent enough for the theories really, just enjoying the ride. Just seemed to be of something to note.
DL the latest episode now, will watch it after work tonight probably. How many more weeks of this do we have? about 17? So will take us to mid-june? Loads could happen between then.
only 10 episodes left until the 2 hour finally. (they said at the end of the show last night).
syiad is officially on the dark side now. daaaaayyum.
Burnout18
03-03-2010, 12:38 PM
I was extremely pleased with last night's episode.
Spoiler, but fuck it, when sayid killed the two dudes at the end i was satisfied. I don't care if he is supposed to be one of the "bad" people I found myself rooting for him.
Even his story in the alternative universe kept me interested. Best episode of the season so far IMO.
checkyourprez
03-03-2010, 01:32 PM
I was extremely pleased with last night's episode.
Spoiler, but fuck it, when sayid killed the two dudes at the end i was satisfied. I don't care if he is supposed to be one of the "bad" people I found myself rooting for him.
Even his story in the alternative universe kept me interested. Best episode of the season so far IMO.
for realz, dude is just racking up the bodies.
nodanaonlyzuul
03-03-2010, 01:41 PM
the use of the song "Catch a Falling Star" over and over is disturbing me a little. But in a good way.
Really loved last nights episode as well.
Sayid's stunt double was pretty awful though, different build and length hair - made me cringe a bit.
Echewta
03-03-2010, 03:04 PM
I make really good eggs.
checkyourprez
03-03-2010, 03:25 PM
Sayid's stunt double was pretty awful though, different build and length hair - made me cringe a bit.
didnt even notice tbh.
didnt even notice tbh.
watched it in HD - its very disappointing when you watch as a cynic.
mathcart
03-03-2010, 10:27 PM
its very disappointing when you watch as a cynic.
Truth
(!)
BBboy20
03-04-2010, 04:43 AM
Come on, I could have sworn I clicked "Edit".
EDIT: I do find it interesting that all the major characters who have ever murdered and lied majorly are now on the darkside while the actual innocent are on the light; also notice, that I can currently recall, each camp has one light (Jin) and one dark (Ben).
To think about it, this this entire season about light and darkness? The contrasting elements that make up a man? Would you consider the Island the Dark World and the Alternative timeline the Light World? *is thinking too much of Link to the Past and Metriod Prime 2 now*
BBboy20
03-04-2010, 04:44 AM
Spoiler, but fuck it, when sayid killed the two dudes at the end i was satisfied. I don't care if he is supposed to be one of the "bad" people I found myself rooting for him.I stopped...I had hoped that that Sayid might have been able to pull away from his former life, when it wasn't necessary, somehow but doing the Monster's bidding, that pretty much has been diminished.
Sure he has an impressive body count but still...
HAL 9000
03-04-2010, 07:25 AM
I am starting to think that MIBs plan to destroy the island and everything on it – is the event that creates the alternative timeline (rather than the bomb – unless the bomb is the method he chooses to achieve this). I suspect that the alternative timeline is the goal of the MIB.
The main reason for thinking this is that in the alternate timeline the island is destroyed and Dogen and Sayid both have the things they were promised (ie Dogens son and Nadia are alive). I wonder if the alternate reality, is related to ‘the box’ metaphor that Ben discussed a few seasons ago - a place where you can have what you really want, need or desire.
I am also intrigued about ‘the rules’. Is Dogen not able to kill Sayid (and must trick someone else into doing it?). I used to think that the rules about who could be killed were related to the time paradox problem (and that fitted very well at the time) ie you couldn’t kill someone if killing them changed the past and prevented you from being in a position to kill them (remember the gun jamming on Michael). Until recently ‘the rules’ seemed to apply pretty well to those people for whom this was true. But now we are out of the time loop, I don’t see why there would still be ‘rules’ – so why couldn’t Dogen kill Sayid?
My working theory is that it is basically true that you can’t change the future (ie what happened happened) but that the MIB is uniquely in a position to change that (and create the alternative timeline). Desmond might also be in that position, which is why I think it may be him who is coming to the island.
Unless, as indicated above, there is more time travelling to come….
Burnout18
03-04-2010, 12:01 PM
EDIT: I do find it interesting that all the major characters who have ever murdered and lied majorly are now on the darkside while the actual innocent are on the light; also notice, that I can currently recall, each camp has one light (Jin) and one dark (Ben).
I like this^
Hey what about Kate? i know she has killed in the past, but she doesnt have that sucker/affection for MIB look in her eyes like sayid and claire. Also makes me wander about Sawyer, did he fall for MIB's promises like Sayid? I think he might have, leaving Kate as the only one traveling with MIB who is not under his spell.
As for Jin, i can see Sun getting killed and Jin becoming a member of the darkside.
HAL 9000
03-04-2010, 12:31 PM
I would have said that the only characters without a dark side were Hurley, Rose and Bernard - maybe Claire before she got blown up by the mercenaries. Everyone else has ‘been dark’ at some point I think
roosta
03-04-2010, 08:03 PM
I am starting to think that MIBs plan to destroy the island and everything on it – is the event that creates the alternative timeline (rather than the bomb – unless the bomb is the method he chooses to achieve this). I suspect that the alternative timeline is the goal of the MIB.
The main reason for thinking this is that in the alternate timeline the island is destroyed and Dogen and Sayid both have the things they were promised (ie Dogens son and Nadia are alive). I wonder if the alternate reality, is related to ‘the box’ metaphor that Ben discussed a few seasons ago - a place where you can have what you really want, need or desire.
very interesting!
Epic episode.
Is Kate proper evil or faking evil? She had that evil look about her.
What happened to Widmore? and his plan to conquer the island. Remember a while ago they were setting it up to be Ben v Widmore for the island.
I am also intrigued about ‘the rules’. Is Dogen not able to kill Sayid (and must trick someone else into doing it?). I used to think that the rules about who could be killed were related to the time paradox problem (and that fitted very well at the time) ie you couldn’t kill someone if killing them changed the past and prevented you from being in a position to kill them (remember the gun jamming on Michael). Until recently ‘the rules’ seemed to apply pretty well to those people for whom this was true. But now we are out of the time loop, I don’t see why there would still be ‘rules’ – so why couldn’t Dogen kill Sayid?
it's pure unfounded speculation but my guess is that dogen wasn't allowed to kill anyone directly on account of his special job on the island. it's not clear what exactly that job was or how it worked, but as we saw, him being alive was the only thing keeping locke (not really him but i just call him that for convenience) out of the temple (well, him and those ashes, whatever they were). maybe not killing anyone was a condition of that job?
again, i'm not basing that on anything but it makes sense in my head
Echewta
03-05-2010, 01:55 PM
"The power of a Genie (Djinn) is truly awesome and a real threat to the future of mankind. If you recognized this fact and were a noble person, you might well sacrifice your life to keep one ‘bottled’ up on a deserted Island and away from mankind. If you were truly clever you might think of a way to trick the Genie into being your master for all eternity but, if you did plan on tricking a Genie you better make one of your wishes something to the effect of “you can never kill me.” LOST is about the relationship between a Master and his angry Genie. *The Genie mythos began in the Mesopotamian region...very close to Egypt. The Island is loaded with hieroglyphics, ancient looking temples, and the statue. *Genies come in the form of smoke...The Smoke monster fits the bill nicely. *Genies grant wishes. This week the fake Locke pretty much came right out and said it and, if you recall Locke’s own father told Locke the Island grants wishes. *Genies are ancient beings so when he is asked to grant a wish like “I want to live forever” the Genie might make a temple housing a fountain of youth...where Sayid was resurrected. This is also why the mechanism for moving the Island through time and space is just a gear. The gear was considered high tech 3,000 years ago so the Genie made an Island moving gear. The Lighthouse was created along those same lines. Not computers or satellites but gears, chains and mirrors. *The Dharma initiative drilled into the power of a WISH! *The Island hopping through time are echoes of all the other times Jacob wished (by turning the gear) the Island to someplace else. If you recall, that gear was damaged when Locke found it, this might be why the Island was found by the Dharma initiative. Jacob wasn’t able to move it anymore. *Many philosophers think that living forever would eventually become a curse. Jacob is obviously much older than he looks but, he’s tired and wants out but, he can’t just unleash the Genie back on mankind. He has to find a replacement candidate. But, the candidate must be worthy so Jacob (who is probably a candidate that took over the job from someone else) manipulates candidates to see how they behave under stressful situations. "
HAL 9000
03-05-2010, 05:02 PM
"The power of a Genie (Djinn) is truly awesome and a real threat to the future of mankind. If you recognized this fact and were a noble person, you might well sacrifice your life to keep one ‘bottled’ up on a deserted Island and away from mankind. If you were truly clever you might think of a way to trick the Genie into being your master for all eternity but, if you did plan on tricking a Genie you better make one of your wishes something to the effect of “you can never kill me.” LOST is about the relationship between a Master and his angry Genie. *The Genie mythos began in the Mesopotamian region...very close to Egypt. The Island is loaded with hieroglyphics, ancient looking temples, and the statue. *Genies come in the form of smoke...The Smoke monster fits the bill nicely. *Genies grant wishes. This week the fake Locke pretty much came right out and said it and, if you recall Locke’s own father told Locke the Island grants wishes. *Genies are ancient beings so when he is asked to grant a wish like “I want to live forever” the Genie might make a temple housing a fountain of youth...where Sayid was resurrected. This is also why the mechanism for moving the Island through time and space is just a gear. The gear was considered high tech 3,000 years ago so the Genie made an Island moving gear. The Lighthouse was created along those same lines. Not computers or satellites but gears, chains and mirrors. *The Dharma initiative drilled into the power of a WISH! *The Island hopping through time are echoes of all the other times Jacob wished (by turning the gear) the Island to someplace else. If you recall, that gear was damaged when Locke found it, this might be why the Island was found by the Dharma initiative. Jacob wasn’t able to move it anymore. *Many philosophers think that living forever would eventually become a curse. Jacob is obviously much older than he looks but, he’s tired and wants out but, he can’t just unleash the Genie back on mankind. He has to find a replacement candidate. But, the candidate must be worthy so Jacob (who is probably a candidate that took over the job from someone else) manipulates candidates to see how they behave under stressful situations. "
Quite a lot of that makes sense.... perhaps Jacob can grant wishes to people using MIB (as a genie) indeed the others seemed able to summon the smoke monstor and call it to their defence. Not sure about the gear stuff and drilling into a wish. But the idea of Jacob as a person who wished for eternal life is nice. As is the idea that the alternate universe itself is the wish of the next candidate...
Im not totally convinced but it is probably the best idea I have had so far to explain the big picture as to what is going on - kudos!
HAL 9000
03-05-2010, 05:04 PM
it's pure unfounded speculation but my guess is that dogen wasn't allowed to kill anyone directly on account of his special job on the island. it's not clear what exactly that job was or how it worked, but as we saw, him being alive was the only thing keeping locke (not really him but i just call him that for convenience) out of the temple (well, him and those ashes, whatever they were). maybe not killing anyone was a condition of that job?
again, i'm not basing that on anything but it makes sense in my head
That all seems pretty logical. I wonder if it was a similar rule that stopped MIB killing Sawyer or made Ben think Keamy couldnt kill Alex...
Echewta
03-05-2010, 05:09 PM
Copied and paste from another board but I thought it made the most sense so far. Better than the St. Elsewhere theory.
Guy Incognito
03-06-2010, 10:41 AM
"The power of a Genie (Djinn) is truly awesome and a real threat to the future of mankind. If you recognized this fact and were a noble person, you might well sacrifice your life to keep one ‘bottled’ up on a deserted Island and away from mankind. If you were truly clever you might think of a way to trick the Genie into being your master for all eternity but, if you did plan on tricking a Genie you better make one of your wishes something to the effect of “you can never kill me.” LOST is about the relationship between a Master and his angry Genie. *The Genie mythos began in the Mesopotamian region...very close to Egypt. The Island is loaded with hieroglyphics, ancient looking temples, and the statue. *Genies come in the form of smoke...The Smoke monster fits the bill nicely. *Genies grant wishes. This week the fake Locke pretty much came right out and said it and, if you recall Locke’s own father told Locke the Island grants wishes. *Genies are ancient beings so when he is asked to grant a wish like “I want to live forever” the Genie might make a temple housing a fountain of youth...where Sayid was resurrected. This is also why the mechanism for moving the Island through time and space is just a gear. The gear was considered high tech 3,000 years ago so the Genie made an Island moving gear. The Lighthouse was created along those same lines. Not computers or satellites but gears, chains and mirrors. *The Dharma initiative drilled into the power of a WISH! *The Island hopping through time are echoes of all the other times Jacob wished (by turning the gear) the Island to someplace else. If you recall, that gear was damaged when Locke found it, this might be why the Island was found by the Dharma initiative. Jacob wasn’t able to move it anymore. *Many philosophers think that living forever would eventually become a curse. Jacob is obviously much older than he looks but, he’s tired and wants out but, he can’t just unleash the Genie back on mankind. He has to find a replacement candidate. But, the candidate must be worthy so Jacob (who is probably a candidate that took over the job from someone else) manipulates candidates to see how they behave under stressful situations. "
this is the strangest idea but the most plausible at the same time
had a theory that it was aaron that jacob wanted to come to island, if aaron turns up then some of dodgy locke's influence may be challenged by claire. Claire was the one of first of the crash survivors to be influenced by the monster and was taken a few series ago. If jacob manages to get claire on side i think a lot of people will follow.
sayid was awesome in this episdoe, best of series so far
checkyourprez
03-06-2010, 03:32 PM
walt is another one who might be coming back to the island...
i dont think his story was ever sufficiently explained. at least to my liking.
only 10 episodes left until the 2 hour finally. (they said at the end of the show last night).
that'd make sense actually - around Easter...
...so they are in pacific ocean yeah? Maybe they are on the Easter Island since its never in the same place twice.
I'm here all week.
Guy Incognito
03-07-2010, 01:00 PM
walt is another one who might be coming back to the island...
i dont think his story was ever sufficiently explained. at least to my liking.
no chance, they drew a line in that one when locke went back and saw him and decided he wasnt going to try and take him back.
despite the fact that everything in this series does seem to have been planned from the outset i think they have had to work around some things like walt looking a lot older (and maybe not wanting to pursue acting who knows). he looked a lot older in that episode and think it would have buggered up the continuity, i know its shifted over time and space but you know what i mean
checkyourprez
03-07-2010, 03:52 PM
no chance, they drew a line in that one when locke went back and saw him and decided he wasnt going to try and take him back.
despite the fact that everything in this series does seem to have been planned from the outset i think they have had to work around some things like walt looking a lot older (and maybe not wanting to pursue acting who knows). he looked a lot older in that episode and think it would have buggered up the continuity, i know its shifted over time and space but you know what i mean
true but if he was back now he should look how he does in real life. he would have just grown like that on the island. they just wouldnt really be able to film any 'in the past' scenes.
Echewta
03-07-2010, 06:16 PM
The island needs more lasers.
Burnout18
03-10-2010, 09:51 AM
Last night's alternative universe story line, about ben, was again interesting. After being bored with the ALt uni the first few weeks i liked the past two storylines.
I'm callin it (and i think it's almost too obvious to even mention) Ben sacrifices himself to save the island later on this season.
And Kudos to whoever said Richard came here on the slave ship.... good call.
Echewta
03-10-2010, 12:39 PM
I found the episode boring and not revealing of much.
BUT ONLY 9 MORE EPISODES LEFT BEFORE THE FINALE.
Love the teaser for next week "We are getting off this island." Really? How many times have we heard that one? *yawn*
Burnout18
03-10-2010, 08:01 PM
I found the episode boring and not revealing of much.
BUT ONLY 9 MORE EPISODES LEFT BEFORE THE FINALE.
Love the teaser for next week "We are getting off this island." Really? How many times have we heard that one? *yawn*
i totally get why you were bored, but once sayid killed off the two assholes i didn't like i started enjoying the show again.
checkyourprez
03-10-2010, 11:10 PM
i find every episode of lost interesting.
some have more action then others obviously but the show is always evolving. some new nuggets of information are always being dropped and it just leads to more of the puzzle being put together.
widmores back on the island. back when widmore talked to locke and told him he needed to go back to the island or the bad side would win. (paraphrasing) now this all depends what side widmore is on. to hitler the nazis were the good guys you get what im saying. it dpeneds if he knew some how locke would be made into the carrier of the MIB or he thought locke was going to be part of jacobs side.
hmm
nodanaonlyzuul
03-11-2010, 12:42 PM
I LOVED last nights episode. Loved. Then again, the trees were a blowin so maybe that's why my viewpoint is skewed.
Still, I loved it. Nice to see some of Richard's background even if it wasn't completely spelled out.
roosta
03-11-2010, 07:14 PM
great episode.
Bonus: Walter Peck, the dickless EPA agent who shut down the Ghostbusters' containment unit was in it, and he's still a dickhead.
Jack/Linus are the men.
and Jim Robinson came back in a mo'fuckin' submarine.
Also: that was the strongest flash-sideways story by far.
i think that one interesting thing about that episode was the conversation between ben and his father about the dharma initiative and the island; was it the same island, or in the alternate universe did the dharma initiative go to a different island? in either case, why did ben and his dad leave?
questions questions
Burnout18
03-11-2010, 10:34 PM
Bonus: Walter Peck, the dickless EPA agent who shut down the Ghostbusters' containment unit was in it, and he's still a dickhead.
All i noticed was the guy who played jay leno in HBO's Late Shift was in it.
edit : i saw late shift recently thats why i didnt recognize him the first time around.
checkyourprez
03-11-2010, 10:40 PM
i think that one interesting thing about that episode was the conversation between ben and his father about the dharma initiative and the island; was it the same island, or in the alternate universe did the dharma initiative go to a different island? in either case, why did ben and his dad leave?
questions questions
yea its an interesting question.
I LOVED last nights episode. Loved. Then again, the trees were a blowin so maybe that's why my viewpoint is skewed.
Still, I loved it. Nice to see some of Richard's background even if it wasn't completely spelled out.
true, i wonder if richard was a slave trader or what?
All i noticed was the guy who played jay leno in HBO's Late Shift was in it.
edit : i saw late shift recently thats why i didnt recognize him the first time around.
he was the same guy in season 1 who blew himself up with dynamite.
true, i wonder if richard was a slave trader or what?
yeah, i'm curious about that too. did he come as a prisoner or part of the crew? or the captain?
one thing richard says was something like "when jacob touches you, he gives you a gift." in the last episode of season 5, in the scenes where jacob was meeting all the characters and giving them things, i can't remember, did he touch any of them?
checkyourprez
03-11-2010, 11:34 PM
yeah, i'm curious about that too. did he come as a prisoner or part of the crew? or the captain?
one thing richard says was something like "when jacob touches you, he gives you a gift." in the last episode of season 5, in the scenes where jacob was meeting all the characters and giving them things, i can't remember, did he touch any of them?
i thought of that and tried to rack my brain for any incidences where he may have gave someone a stroke but i couldn't recollect anything.
is faraday totally out of the show now? i kinda feel there should be some more stuff going on with him and his mother to some degree.
and what side do we think widmore is on?
HAL 9000
03-12-2010, 03:17 AM
yeah, i'm curious about that too. did he come as a prisoner or part of the crew? or the captain?
one thing richard says was something like "when jacob touches you, he gives you a gift." in the last episode of season 5, in the scenes where jacob was meeting all the characters and giving them things, i can't remember, did he touch any of them?
He does touch them - usually in a very delibrate way - eg check out this scene of him meeting Kate in her youth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_b3s1glWU8
or here with Locke
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUlHhKjCG2A
or here with Locke
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUlHhKjCG2A
then i guess the gift isn't always eternal life
HAL 9000
03-12-2010, 07:52 AM
i think that one interesting thing about that episode was the conversation between ben and his father about the dharma initiative and the island; was it the same island, or in the alternate universe did the dharma initiative go to a different island? in either case, why did ben and his dad leave?
questions questions
I think we know that Dharma was on THE island in the alternate universe because, when we saw the island underwater - we saw the Dharma barracks and also a Dharma branded shark swimming by. I presume that Roger and Ben left the island in the general evacuation that took place just before the bomb went off.
It is odd that they wonder what would have happened if they stayed. Ie they dont seem to think 'its good we left because otherwise we would have been killed in the bomb/incident/sinking of the island' - either they dont know what happened or (my preferred option) the island was not detroyed by the bomb.
Echewta
03-12-2010, 12:21 PM
Hmmm... I thought the last episode was pretty boring. Not sure how much was revealed except Ben finding out that Jacob was hoping he would be different.
the ending music slow mo montages are getting silly.
the ending music slow mo montages are getting silly.
agreed.
And since its an american show we are guaranteed a happy ending (n)
Not that I want a sad ending but you know it can't be anything else with american producers unless david lynch has anything to do with it.
hopes david lynch has something to do with it.
Echewta
03-12-2010, 12:44 PM
And they better explain whats up with the sharks. I can believe an island that has healing powers and a giant gear under ground that can make it disappear but I'm still trying to figure out how they got sharks to get a darma tattoo and just hang out in the water to protect the island but never eat anyone the multiple times we've seen people in the water. Sawyer should have been chum by season 2.
the island protects him cus he is a candidate.
or the sharks are robo-sharks, with laser eyes all to be revealed in the final episode
Echewta
03-12-2010, 01:24 PM
So the darma sharks know hes a candidate? Doesn't seem like the darma people knew about the canidate stuff.
Jacob controls the sharks
with whale song.
Echewta
03-12-2010, 01:49 PM
I don't believe you.
Guy Incognito
03-12-2010, 06:29 PM
great episode i thought
too much to think about.
i'd forgot about the sharks but i do think that there is no way they will cover everything by the end of the thing and anything they didnt cover will be regarded as red herrings (or red sharks).
half the battle is remembering everything, i reckon the last episode is going to be preceeded by an interactive exam about the previous episodes and if you fail they show you a bogus episode where they blow up the island..with lazers.
checkyourprez
03-23-2010, 09:30 PM
Behind the Lost: The Richard Alpert Story.
One thing they've always denied is that they are in purgatory - even from season 1 but then they've also said time travel wasn't involved.
The biblical reference are too much for it not to be some sort of limbo-land especially with the other time line. I liked episode 9, put a few more pieces in while leaving it wide open still (y).
checkyourprez
03-24-2010, 05:05 PM
One thing they've always denied is that they are in purgatory - even from season 1 but then they've also said time travel wasn't involved.
The biblical reference are too much for it not to be some sort of limbo-land especially with the other time line. I liked episode 9, put a few more pieces in while leaving it wide open still (y).
thats all well and good besides the fact that 6 of them left the island and then came back. how can that be explained if its a limbo-island?
thats why I said some sort. Maybe they are ghosts that had physical bodies which doesn't really make sense.
Also they have to explain the baby thing - why only claire could push one out. Can ghosts have babies?
checkyourprez
03-24-2010, 07:51 PM
seems like some sort of game almost between the two of them.
i wonder if it will explain who jacob and the mib really are. im talking really are. like how long they have been there and all this and that. it seems like the man in black wasnt always there from conversations. and if so how did he get there and like that with that power.
also who decides who and how the black smoke acts. like when he comes through and kills people, earlier it was said that it was the islands defense system. but is it jacob who sends it out to kill people. in that case why? is it just whoever the man in black wants to kill, if thats the case it seems a bit arbitrary and just odd.
there's one scene that i'm trying to remember both the details and significance of; it's a flashback to locke's childhood, and richard visits him and rolls out a bunch of items and tells him to pick the one that belongs to him, and locke picks a knife (i think) and richard gets all concerned and leaves in a huff.
anyone remember what exactly happened there or know what it could mean? was it the knife that the mib gave to him in this last episode?
checkyourprez
03-24-2010, 11:32 PM
there's one scene that i'm trying to remember both the details and significance of; it's a flashback to locke's childhood, and richard visits him and rolls out a bunch of items and tells him to pick the one that belongs to him, and locke picks a knife (i think) and richard gets all concerned and leaves in a huff.
anyone remember what exactly happened there or know what it could mean? was it the knife that the mib gave to him in this last episode?
idk thats a big ass knife.
but its also the same knife that dogen gave to sayid to kill the man in black a couple eps ago. pretty old knife.
HAL 9000
03-25-2010, 09:39 AM
there's one scene that i'm trying to remember both the details and significance of; it's a flashback to locke's childhood, and richard visits him and rolls out a bunch of items and tells him to pick the one that belongs to him, and locke picks a knife (i think) and richard gets all concerned and leaves in a huff.
anyone remember what exactly happened there or know what it could mean? was it the knife that the mib gave to him in this last episode?
This came up a while back in this or some other lost thread. My interpretation of this was that Richard believed Locke to be 'special' in some way. He believed this because Locke himself believed it and told Richard as much when they met in the 50s (when Locke was time travelling).
He was in a huff, because baby Locke picked the wrong object, showing no signs of specialness at this point. I think the significance of this is that we later discovered that Locke was never special at all, it was just the Smoke Monstor character manipulating Richard and Locke from the future. Smokey needed everyone to follow Locke and think he was amazing so that he could then use Lockes body to convince Ben to kill Jacob. But Locke was never special...
I dont think it was the knife from recent episodes but not sure.
HAL 9000
03-25-2010, 09:44 AM
idk thats a big ass knife.
but its also the same knife that dogen gave to sayid to kill the man in black a couple eps ago. pretty old knife.
What knife did Ben use to kill Jacob? Was it a similar one? Also did Jacob talk to Ben before Ben killed him? I think he did, in which case the rules governing Ben's killing of Jacob were different to when Richard tried to kill him and when Sayid tried to kill Smoke monster dude. Presumably this is all related to the 'loophole'
checkyourprez
03-25-2010, 11:34 AM
What knife did Ben use to kill Jacob? Was it a similar one? Also did Jacob talk to Ben before Ben killed him? I think he did, in which case the rules governing Ben's killing of Jacob were different to when Richard tried to kill him and when Sayid tried to kill Smoke monster dude. Presumably this is all related to the 'loophole'
it was the same knife. i remember the case and size. i dont really know 100% but im basically 99% sure.
jacob talked to ben, told him he had a choice and stuff.
we dont really know if he talked to richard first, we just saw jacob beating his ass.
and sayid did let locke/mib say something before he stabbed him.
it could all be related to the loophole, or honestly it could be as simple as both have such powers of persuasion that their ability to talk people in and out to doing things worries the other to the point that they want the would be murderer to just accomplish their task and not possibly be talked out of what they were going to do.
HAL 9000
03-25-2010, 11:55 AM
it could all be related to the loophole, or honestly it could be as simple as both have such powers of persuasion that their ability to talk people in and out to doing things worries the other to the point that they want the would be murderer to just accomplish their task and not possibly be talked out of what they were going to do.
Good point, that makes sense
edit...
although - it seemed significant that Sayid was not talked out of the stabbing, it just didnt work, and Dogen gueseed that MiB had spoken to him - it seems like there is more to this than pursuation.
also, the knife that Ben killed Jacob with could not be the same knife that Dogen gave to Sayid because both those events happened at about the same time. Although they could both be knives with magic powers!
Echewta
03-25-2010, 12:12 PM
I'm sure its only a matter of time before SkyMall magazines across the country will be selling Lost knife replicas along with Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings crap.
roosta
03-25-2010, 07:18 PM
awesome episode.
Guy Incognito
03-28-2010, 10:25 AM
so had a random thought that is probably nothing to do with anything and has probly been mentioned.
when the pope dies all the dudes thrash it out until they make adecision about the new one, they chuck out black smoke until they decide and then they chuck out white smoke.
also, when black smoke stopped at killing richard, was this mib sussing him out, coming back as his wife and then persuading him to kill jacob or was jacob involved in his wife being there.
brilliant brilliant episode
nodanaonlyzuul
03-28-2010, 04:29 PM
also, when black smoke stopped at killing richard, was this mib sussing him out, coming back as his wife and then persuading him to kill jacob
I think that's what it was.
Because mib has appears now as Dead Locke. Earlier in the show when Claire vanished, she is later seen in the cabin with her (and Jack's) Father, Christian, who was also dead. I am thinking mib can just transform himself to people as long as they are dead.
at first i had thought it was just people who died on the island but i guess that isn't true since he was able to take isabella's form. you do kind of have to wonder how he knew what she looked like though
or how he can turn into smoke/dead people at all i guess
Guy Incognito
03-28-2010, 04:53 PM
at first i had thought it was just people who died on the island but i guess that isn't true since he was able to take isabella's form. you do kind of have to wonder how he knew what she looked like though
or how he can turn into smoke/dead people at all i guess
jacks dad didnt die on the island. i think its more that he has access to souls if you like. That ties in with the island being the cork in the bottle thing. sort of. i took that bit to mean that mib is like evil discharge or something
HAL 9000
03-28-2010, 06:32 PM
at first i had thought it was just people who died on the island but i guess that isn't true since he was able to take isabella's form. you do kind of have to wonder how he knew what she looked like though
or how he can turn into smoke/dead people at all i guess
I would imagine he knew what she looked like from scanning Richards mind. I wondered if he could turn into a person if there is something of theirs on the island - eg the necklace. Or maybe he can make pretty much any dead person.
jacks dad didnt die on the island. i think its more that he has access to souls if you like. That ties in with the island being the cork in the bottle thing. sort of. i took that bit to mean that mib is like evil discharge or something
he didn't die on the island but his body came there in the plane crash. isabella never came to the island at all.
that makes me think of another question: what happened to christian's body? we know now that the mib takes the form of dead people but he doesn't reanimate their corpses or anything, there should still be a body (like locke's which apparently is perfectly capable of decomposing and attracting flies). but if i remember right, christian's casket was empty and i don't think anyone ever found the body
edit: jack's dad's name was christian, right? he's on the show infrequently enough such that i forget
second edit: watching lost after playing mass effect a ton is weird because people keep saying "shepard" in both. i wonder if i could make an ME shepard that looks like jack.
nodanaonlyzuul
03-29-2010, 11:47 AM
second edit: watching lost after playing mass effect a ton is weird because people keep saying "shepard" in both.
I AGREE! haha.
checkyourprez
03-31-2010, 12:26 AM
my main man desmond is back!!! i knew he would be no doubt. widmore is looking like a good guy of some sorts, if he is to believed.
thats crazy how their lives are intertwining regardless. its looking as if the flash sideways is showing that their lives may not have always been better had they not crashed (barring developments in the last 7 episodes obviously)
BBboy20
03-31-2010, 02:57 AM
I AGREE! haha.That name has been becoming rather popular in video games recently.
nodanaonlyzuul
03-31-2010, 12:04 PM
I really like the... possible... foreshadowing (I paused since you never know sometimes with this show) of Jack becoming the new Jacob. The way he spoke to Sun and held his hand out to her, just as Jacob and the Mib has been doing to the people they come in to contact with.
It's also fun to see Jack, the man of science becoming the man of faith.
checkyourprez
03-31-2010, 12:14 PM
I really like the... possible... foreshadowing (I paused since you never know sometimes with this show) of Jack becoming the new Jacob. The way he spoke to Sun and held his hand out to her, just as Jacob and the Mib has been doing to the people they come in to contact with.
It's also fun to see Jack, the man of science becoming the man of faith.
i just find the possibility of jack being the new jacob too obvious. its like all signs point to jack, and he appears to have all the qualities but doesnt it sound to easy?
Echewta
03-31-2010, 12:18 PM
... And Mikhail, also known on the island as That Odd Guy with the Eyepatch, served as translator between Keamy and the Korean-speaking Kwons and, later, got shot in one eye during a struggle with Jin. Sun was wounded, too … perhaps baby-doc Juliet (Elizabeth Mitchell) will be making a Sideways appearance to save the day? Producers have previously confirmed Mitchell will pop up again before the series ends.
I have to type something so that the quote will post.
checkyourprez
03-31-2010, 12:28 PM
I have to type something so that the quote will post.
would/could make sense.
i wonder if my other main man, no homo, mr.ecko is going to be back??
nodanaonlyzuul
03-31-2010, 12:53 PM
I agree that Jack seems a bit obvious. Even if it's just a red herring I'm still in to it :D
I like the possibility of MIB winning.
Then they could do a spin off - The Day After The Time They Was Lost.
Lost II (read to) The Future
Final Destination V
Life Of Hugo
Lost History X
It was funnier in my head...
Guy Incognito
04-01-2010, 03:27 AM
the more they dont tell us MIB's name the more i think its a big clue to the whole situation.
checkyourprez
04-01-2010, 08:24 AM
the more they dont tell us MIB's name the more i think its a big clue to the whole situation.
yes satan? oooo i'm sorry, iiii thought you were someone else.
Echewta
04-01-2010, 11:50 AM
* SPOILER *
Final episodes and their names along with some info on the characters they are about.
11 "Happily Ever After" Desmond
Desmond wakes up to discover he's back on the island.[83]
12 "Everybody Loves Hugo" Hurley
13 "The Last Recruit"
14 "The Candidate" Locke/Jack
15 "Across the Sea" Smoke Monster
16 "What They Died For"
18 "The End"
Guy Incognito
04-01-2010, 03:07 PM
yes satan? oooo i'm sorry, iiii thought you were someone else.
i meant summat a bit less obvious. something i cant stop thinking about it and i have no basis for it really is that whole speech from dodgy locke about him having a crazy mum like claire. I think somehow Aaron and MIB are linked. I really am clutching at straws but i cant shake it. Its the speech and the fact that made a point of detailing Aarons story in the catch up, giving him the big letters and everything and i just think there is summat there.
I aint seen the latest yet and havent read too many recent posts in here.
checkyourprez
04-01-2010, 09:29 PM
i meant summat a bit less obvious. something i cant stop thinking about it and i have no basis for it really is that whole speech from dodgy locke about him having a crazy mum like claire. I think somehow Aaron and MIB are linked. I really am clutching at straws but i cant shake it. Its the speech and the fact that made a point of detailing Aarons story in the catch up, giving him the big letters and everything and i just think there is summat there.
I aint seen the latest yet and havent read too many recent posts in here.
norman bates?
Junker
04-02-2010, 10:24 AM
* SPOILER *
Final episodes and their names along with some info on the characters they are about.
11 "Happily Ever After" Desmond
Desmond wakes up to discover he's back on the island.[83]
12 "Everybody Loves Hugo" Hurley
13 "The Last Recruit"
14 "The Candidate" Locke/Jack
15 "Across the Sea" Smoke Monster
16 "What They Died For"
18 "The End"
Will 'The End' be the season finale?? If so, they could be more original about the title =P
Will 'The End' be the season finale?? If so, they could be more original about the title =P
At least they didn't put a question mark in it - ie The End?
Junker
04-02-2010, 10:36 AM
At least they didn't put a question mark in it - ie The End?
True. Too cliche.
Guy Incognito
04-05-2010, 07:33 AM
am i right to think that because sun was booked in her maiden name that she isnt on the list of names in the cave? am lost as to when they got married and why they werent in that reality
plus how many times has jin been saved from death now. jesus.
Echewta
04-07-2010, 02:12 PM
Love me some Desmond storylines.
Limo driver was the guy having nose bleeds and dies on the ship a few seasons ago.
Eloise seems know whats going on. I doubt I would want to have anyone changing things around since the new reality has her powerful, rich, and her son, that she killed before, is alive. No wonder she wanted the bomb to go off.
Eloise - Knows whats going on
Faraday, Desmond, and Charlie - Know something is wack. Missing anyone? Not sure if Charles knows.
Everyone else in the new reality doesn't seem to know yet.
Burnout18
04-07-2010, 02:24 PM
desmond is the constant... thats what farraday told him last season. So the three you mentioned all had a jolt from the different timeline provided to them by a love they do no have in thier current universe. interesting
Echewta
04-07-2010, 05:15 PM
Ahh, those in love.
Then why hasn't Saywer had issues? He loved Juliet.
BBboy20
04-08-2010, 07:15 AM
Then why hasn't Saywer had issues? He loved Juliet.Both Faraday and Charlie died before the nuke was set off. Minus Des, perhaps both love and death is the only way to see the original reality when you're in the "X"?
Eloise seems know whats going on. I doubt I would want to have anyone changing things around since the new reality has her powerful, rich, and her son, that she killed before, is alive. No wonder she wanted the bomb to go off.I always more assumed she's somehow is part of the Universe or something and it's some really complex reason why she wanted Desmond to stop what he was looking for; never thought about the human side of it as you described.
"Love and death"...that's oddly romantic. =/
checkyourprez
04-08-2010, 09:14 AM
i dont know if i believe it but its interesting...a coworker of my mother thinks that the upcoming war is not between the MIB and widmore on the island...but between the two realities.
idk how that would happen but who knows its lost.
Burnout18
04-08-2010, 09:43 AM
Ahh, those in love.
Then why hasn't Saywer had issues? He loved Juliet.
Has alternative sawyer bumped into alternative Juliet yet? I don't he has, so maybe thats why Sawyer hasn't felt anything yet.
Guy Incognito
04-10-2010, 06:42 AM
that was the most confusing episode of any program i have ever watched!
its similar that one a few series back where he kept jumping thru reality and time but more confusing.
not sure why he wants the manifest or why he just succumbed to sayid like that.
when he was looking at the board in the airport. it said that flight 815 had no status. hmmm
Burnout18
04-14-2010, 09:11 AM
lol @ Ilana and desmond and locke in the alt. universe.
checkyourprez
04-14-2010, 09:43 AM
that episode was sick!!!!
i was legit laughing out loud when desmond ran over wheel chair locke. that shit was great.
6 years in the making we found out what the whispers were.
jack was scared at the end, about the first time i can remember him having that face. but i must save overall i like how jack has been acting lately.
HAL 9000
04-14-2010, 12:04 PM
Has alternative sawyer bumped into alternative Juliet yet? I don't he has, so maybe thats why Sawyer hasn't felt anything yet.
Nope, but when they do, I bet they will arrange to meet for coffee and she will offer to 'go dutch'. Also think we may meet Juliet as a doctor trying to save Sun and baby
HAL 9000
04-14-2010, 12:08 PM
6 years in the making we found out what the whispers were.
And it turns out that the island is pergatory after all...
nodanaonlyzuul
04-14-2010, 12:10 PM
I wonder if the writers denied it being purgatory before because they didn't even know it was yet, or because they didn't want to just let people know "yeah that's it".
Echewta
04-14-2010, 12:57 PM
The battle of Desmonds. Do you keep a universe where eveyone is happy together and alive or save the other universe to prevent evil from destroying the world even though people have lost their true love?
nodanaonlyzuul
04-14-2010, 05:39 PM
also can I just say the use of "The Rowing Song" from Willy Wonka during the next week's preview was really well done and freakin creepy?
Yeah.
BBboy20
04-14-2010, 08:15 PM
also can I just say the use of "The Rowing Song" from Willy Wonka during the next week's preview was really well done and freakin creepy? Thought they were sound clips from the show. O_o
nodanaonlyzuul
04-14-2010, 08:16 PM
nah I don't think so. listen again, then listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zail7Gdqro
Same thing.
Just freakier sounding, oddly enough.
checkyourprez
04-14-2010, 09:26 PM
And it turns out that the island is pergatory after all...
they usually always were accompanied by the smoke monster, although the last few werent. i was going to suggest that the smoke monster eats souls and keeps them within his smoke. but idk, thats just a thought.
thats funny that libby had been in the mental hospital in both lives. and she met hugo in the original world before they were on the island and he did not remember her.
i wonder if Desmonds brain is kinda in both worlds now.
locke just cannot catch a break
Echewta
04-15-2010, 12:17 PM
I'm pretty sure the kid on the island is Jacob and the smoke monster has a limited time before Jacob gets old enough again to pin him/it down.
Echewta
04-15-2010, 12:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Aqo8LWuNIs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_YHV5fdUiQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODByPPenRYk
Burnout18
04-15-2010, 01:38 PM
I'm pretty sure the kid on the island is Jacob and the smoke monster has a limited time before Jacob gets old enough again to pin him/it down.
I like this.
checkyourprez
04-15-2010, 05:10 PM
i forget exactly when, but i think it was when desmond was getting his food at the cluck cluck..."number 42 your order is ready."
Guy Incognito
04-20-2010, 03:32 AM
so if desmond is like , between realities and kinda knows whats going on and is searching the people on the flight cos he has the manifest then why did he not recognise linus as the man who shot him, he was very quick to tell linus he had a son named charlie, but he didnt in that reality, he was on his own. very confused. awesome episode though.
also watched the latest episode then watched the news about the volcano cloud and was half expecting it to turn into john locke any minute. i need to get out more.
Echewta
04-21-2010, 10:41 AM
bbboooorrrriiinnngggg
Fine, smoke monster was Jack's dad. That should have been an easy one to figure out but it was so long ago...
Besides that, what did we learn?
Son of a bitch brotha.
Burnout18
04-21-2010, 11:08 AM
I think jack died. Locke brought him back like he brought sayid back. Jack is with smoke monster locke now. Also Sun hasn't spoken to the smoke monster yet.... i dunno if that matters, but claire told jack once smokey talks to u he already has you. Sooo is the fact that sun didn't say a word to him significant?
Are people still watching this stupid shit?
Echewta
04-21-2010, 11:51 AM
Are people still watching this stupid shit?
No. We aren't. We are making this up.
I don't doubt you from what your all saying!
Are people still watching this stupid shit?
i don't crap on your stupid soccer thread, be a gentleman
Guy Incognito
04-21-2010, 06:08 PM
i don't crap on your stupid soccer thread, be a gentleman
hahahahaha(y)
i don't crap on your stupid soccer thread, be a gentleman
Come and add to the Soccer thread, like a gentleman.
Come and add to the Soccer thread, like a man.
i would but i have no business there and am not a dick
Fair enough, carry on with the smoke monsters etc etc
Guy Incognito
04-21-2010, 06:19 PM
Fair enough, carry on with the smoke monsters etc etc
smoke monsters? jesus mark, spolier alerts, come on.
My bad :rolleyes:
I think I got part way through season two before I decided that this shows was throwing up way too many questions than it was answers...I think it was the moment that the hobbit shot that unknown passenger just as he was going to shed some light that finally had me switching stations.
checkyourprez
04-21-2010, 07:24 PM
when desmond and clair were in the elevator they went to floor 15
the numbers have been reoccurring in the sideways world.
My bad :rolleyes:
I think I got part way through season two before I decided that this shows was throwing up way too many questions than it was answers...I think it was the moment that the hobbit shot that unknown passenger just as he was going to shed some light that finally had me switching stations.
that's super
checkyourprez
04-22-2010, 09:12 AM
that's super
super gay
HAL 9000
04-22-2010, 12:35 PM
when desmond and clair were in the elevator they went to floor 15
the numbers have been reoccurring in the sideways world.
I thik when Desmond was in the MRI - the numbers were all up on the display.
Also Sun hasn't spoken to the smoke monster yet.... i dunno if that matters, but claire told jack once smokey talks to u he already has you. Sooo is the fact that sun didn't say a word to him significant?
I think that is quite a good suggestion - ie it gives a reason for the strange plot device of making Sun unable to talk. But didnt she speak to him in the garden before she ran and hit her head?
that's super
super gay
How dare I right?
just saying, it's a little weird for someone to come into a thread called "LOST Season 6 Thread" and say "i stopped watching lost at season 2 and think it sucks"
nodanaonlyzuul
04-23-2010, 09:51 PM
jeez camo. you're a fine guy but leave the thread alone if you aren't interested. it just makes you appear obnoxious.
It's not weird if I do actually find it profound if it actually got to a sixth season. It was only really advertised here up to season three so I assumed it had petered off.
I wasn't being obnoxious either :o
Burnout18
04-24-2010, 09:35 AM
I think that is quite a good suggestion - ie it gives a reason for the strange plot device of making Sun unable to talk. But didnt she speak to him in the garden before she ran and hit her head?
I think in episode one of this season she just stared at him in shock when they were on the beach. No words were spoken. i may be wrong, but im pretty sure.
HAL 9000
04-24-2010, 07:52 PM
I think in episode one of this season she just stared at him in shock when they were on the beach. No words were spoken. i may be wrong, but im pretty sure.
She talks to him in this scene (2:14 in)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNvNkIX2LQ4
She talks to him in this scene (2:14 in)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNvNkIX2LQ4
maybe "talks to you" isn't meant to be taken so literally; he offers her a deal but she turns it down and runs. maybe it refers to actually hearing him out and trying to make a deal with him or something.
HAL 9000
04-24-2010, 08:13 PM
Maybe, it could be that you have to accept the deal he offers. It just seems strange about the whole not being able to speak thing. It seems like such a random thing to write into the script - there must be a point to it.
venusvenus123
04-25-2010, 06:40 AM
I think that the actor playing Locke should be making more of an effort not to be Locke now. I mean really, apart from a lot of his actions, it's easy to forget that it's not actually Locke anymore.
Last night I watched about half of Matrix Revolutions and there's a bit where Neo encounters Agent Smith, who's inhabiting someone else's body. It only took me about a minute to realise it was supposed to be Agent Smith in the body and reminded me of how crap a job they're doing with the un-Locke character.
Maybe there's a good reason for it. . .
checkyourprez
04-25-2010, 10:18 AM
I think that the actor playing Locke should be making more of an effort not to be Locke now. I mean really, apart from a lot of his actions, it's easy to forget that it's not actually Locke anymore.
Last night I watched about half of Matrix Revolutions and there's a bit where Neo encounters Agent Smith, who's inhabiting someone else's body. It only took me about a minute to realise it was supposed to be Agent Smith in the body and reminded me of how crap a job they're doing with the un-Locke character.
Maybe there's a good reason for it. . .
i think he does a pretty good job of separating. hes a lot more assertive, less nervous. he comes off as evil, where locke never did.
Guy Incognito
04-25-2010, 03:00 PM
I think that the actor playing Locke should be making more of an effort not to be Locke now. I mean really, apart from a lot of his actions, it's easy to forget that it's not actually Locke anymore.
Last night I watched about half of Matrix Revolutions and there's a bit where Neo encounters Agent Smith, who's inhabiting someone else's body. It only took me about a minute to realise it was supposed to be Agent Smith in the body and reminded me of how crap a job they're doing with the un-Locke character.
Maybe there's a good reason for it. . .
i think he does a pretty good job of separating. hes a lot more assertive, less nervous. he comes off as evil, where locke never did.
i think he's been ok. Plus its the character and the storyline afeecting this. Smoke Monster doesnt really get angry in locke form, he gets angry in smoke monster form. He doesnt start flapping or dramatics, he's been around a long time, seems like a clever man, calculating, and i dont think we have been supposed to see the worst of him yet.
Plus we dont really know a lot about him as the other guy. In the matrix you knew all about Agent Smith whereas we have only seen the other guy in two episodes. So i dont think you can compare
Guy Incognito
04-26-2010, 02:28 PM
is desmond jacob? possibly since he got hit with that electro stuff in the shed. he's been ultra compliant since then. sayid was given the job of killing him by locke plus desmond asked sayid what did locke offer him.
Burnout18
04-26-2010, 03:58 PM
ahh shit good find hal, it was a guess though.
Burnout18
05-04-2010, 10:41 PM
poor frank... and my man sayid going out like a hero.
checkyourprez
05-05-2010, 12:30 AM
that episode was on some serious big dick steeze.
wowowiwa
BBboy20
05-05-2010, 01:42 AM
poor frank... and my man sayid going out like a hero.Yeah, that was disappointing to see him go...well, besides the shocking and heartbreaking deaths of the 3 other characters....
:(:(:(
Burnout18
05-05-2010, 11:00 AM
So frank is dead right? I mean they didnt show it, but hes gotta be dead right?
My favorite theory was that he was really sawyer from 1970s and he was somehow the link to the timeline created when they went to the 1970's, the present and the alternative universe.
Sayid is still my hero.
yeah, i liked the way sayid did it. he didn't leave any time for "no, you have to go, save yourself, there must be some other way", etc etc he just said "it's up to you now", grabbed the bomb and booked. i'll miss him :(
i can't remember; what's his status in the other universe right now?
Echewta
05-05-2010, 09:00 PM
But they didn't have a Sayid realizes he was played moment. That Locke wasn't going to give him his dead love. Bummer.
BBboy20
05-06-2010, 12:52 AM
That Locke wasn't going to give him his dead love. Bummer.Unless something else happened between him and Desmond. It would have also have given away he was going kill himself if it lasted a few seconds longer.
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