Why Eminem is still one of the greatest rappers of all time.

[RobMoney$]

Watch his flow in this video. (http://content.onsmash.com/archives/26191)

IMO, three of the best in the game today.
MOS, Thought, and Em.

And Em outshines 'em all.

I don't think any rapper has had more respect for the craft and for hip hop than this kid.
By far the best at battling, and he's probably the smartest too.

You can see he's trying to come as hard as he can every time he spits. The guy's intensity is just soo evident. You gotta respect that.

The other thing Em does really well is creative feel for the beats.
He starts/stops and creative times, he picks interesting downbeats/backbeats to track with the emphasis in his rhymes.
He's just interesting.

[Lyman Zerga]

are we please done with eminem threads now

[Miho]

Not yet. I'm making one tomorrow, since I'm too lazy tonight.

Love him on this cut. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc636YK8tX8)

I listen to that often. It's powerful.

[mickill]

Kinda old now, but yeah. I agree.

For some reason people keep saying Black Thought had the best verse. If Mos didn't already use that verse on a song it'd have had a bigger impact.

When he tries, Em is easily the most talented rapper alive. Maybe even ever.

[RobMoney$]

I thought Em came harder and chose a more creative flow within the beat.

And believe me, it's not easy for me to say that considering how much Philly love Thought has.
He's constantly rhyming about Philly.

[Ty Webb]

are we please done with eminem threads now.

[Nicodemus]

Hee-haw!

[The Notorious LOL]

he is great at the rapping.

[mickill]

I hear he has Just Blaze, Alchemist and DJ Khalil doing some beats for Relapse 2. Personally, I think he should just drop the whole sequel thing and go ahead and deliver a serious monster this time around. I think the reception he's gotten from his verses on Forever, the BET cipher and that song with Lil Wayne have motivated him to go in another direction now. I think he's done with the accents also. So there's really no point in doing the Relapse 2 thing, especially since a few of those tracks just ended up on his Refill joint anyhow.

[RobMoney$]

Yeah, I think him & Dre need to seperate at this point.
I understand that Dre gave him his shot and helped create him and all, but I think he's now stifling him.
Dre's beats are a little out of touch.
He went back and had Dre produce Relapse, and it was a disappointment.
Time to move on IMO.

It would be interesting to see what he could put out for his next album with a fresh look.

[roosta]

I think he's the weakest on that, but he's still pretty good.

its all the "killing koalas etc. etc." stuff that gets me. His flow is great and all, and I don't mind jibberish rhymes at all, but this "oh im a mad killer man" stuff doesn't do it for me. It's boring now.

Yeah, he's technically an amazing rapper, and I love his verse on "Forever" but I don't think he's made very good music in a while. Alot of his beats/hooks are pretty poor.

[kaiser soze]

never liked Eminem and never will, he might be a good rapper but most of his messages are teen angst immaturity and masochism at best.

Thought owns this one (y)

I don't care about other guy's dicks......

[RobMoney$]

its all the "killing koalas etc. etc." stuff that gets me. His flow is great and all, and I don't mind jibberish rhymes at all, but this "oh im a mad killer man" stuff doesn't do it for me. It's boring now.

People can complain about the Ken Kaniff and serial murderer stuff, but I'll take that any day over the tired old "omg I'm a gangsta, pimps and hos nonsense."
Seriously, how are people not embarrassed to be in gangs these days?
I have a hard time thinking of something more dated and cliche.
Actually, I can think of one: rapping about it.



Yeah, he's technically an amazing rapper, and I love his verse on "Forever" but I don't think he's made very good music in a while. Alot of his beats/hooks are pretty poor.

never liked Eminem and never will, he might be a good rapper but most of his messages are teen angst immaturity and masochism at best.

Thought owns this one (y)

I don't care about other guy's dicks......


Let me be clear about something. For me, anyway, it's not just about content.
He writes about what he knows, perscription drug addiction, his trailer park upbringing, his struggles with his kids mother, ect.
Writing about your fucked-up life is way more refreshing than seeing him writing about the hos in the club, or some other hip hop cliche.
Wu-Tang's been making songs about hustling crack since day one, but they're considered hip hop gods and have never been criticized by anyone for it.

Em does more interesting things with cadence and pitch than any rapper on the planet.

For instance, listen to Raekwon on Black Mozart (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PApPZHGwMk&feature=related).
It's just monotone rapping. It's boring to me.

Now take Em's verse in that Cypher video, or even on some of his new shit like Beautiful (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgT1AidzRWM).
His rhyme schemes are intricate, and he does interesting things with the pitch in his voice to emphasize certain words.

I'm sure Rae's message is great and all, but, musically, melodically, it's just not that interesting to me.


Biggie was amazing with expressiveness and emphasis in his cadence and pitch. Look at something like Gimme the loot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEPgA4ZQf0U), or The Warning (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lb0HImG_MU),...Great stuff.

[checkyourprez]

Yeah, I think him & Dre need to seperate at this point.
I understand that Dre gave him his shot and helped create him and all, but I think he's now stifling him.
Dre's beats are a little out of touch.
He went back and had Dre produce Relapse, and it was a disappointment.
Time to move on IMO.

It would be interesting to see what he could put out for his next album with a fresh look.


:confused:

generally agreed upon is that whether someone liked em's rapping style or not on relapse, the beats were top notch.

[Lyman Zerga]

never liked Eminem and never will, he might be a good rapper but most of his messages are teen angst immaturity and masochism at best.

Thought owns this one (y)

I don't care about other guy's dicks......

i couldnt agree more

[checkyourprez]

never liked Eminem and never will, he might be a good rapper but most of his messages are teen angst immaturity and masochism at best.

Thought owns this one (y)

I don't care about other guy's dicks......

i couldnt agree more


no offense but those opinions are wack!

hes doper than dope.

[kaiser soze]

he's more like soap on a rope with a mouthful of moldy scope,
what?
I just dropped a load in your rickety boat
which smells like goat cheese,
a stinky smokey sneeze
sucka mc please
my momma got my hair grease than your frizzy afro grilled cheese

seriously my rhyme isn't much different than how he raps

you're right he's dope...

as in dopey

[mickill]

seriously my rhyme isn't much different than how he raps

No, yeah, totally...I actually thought you were quoting an actual Eminem verse with that. That's how talented you are!

I'm guessing you had your baseball cap on sideways and were making peace signs and crossing and uncrossing your arms when you were reciting that back to yourself.

[kaiser soze]

nah, I was shaking violently and foaming at the mouth

I'm a serious rapper

[RobMoney$]

a stinky smokey sneeze

I can't even wrap my head around this line.



And if you think it's soo easy to do what Em does, why don't you do it?
No, you'll sit there in your fucking shit hole house, in the middle of nowhere, going absolutely nowhere in life.

You sir, suck.

[Guy Incognito]

he's more like soap on a rope with a mouthful of moldy scope,
what?
I just dropped a load in your rickety boat
which smells like goat cheese,
a stinky smokey sneeze
sucka mc please
my momma got my hair grease than your frizzy afro grilled cheese

seriously my rhyme isn't much different than how he raps

you're right he's dope...

as in dopey

the only thing that eminem has done that this resembles is that dodgy rap in 8 mile just before the battle when he is warming up with his mate and then all the other lads come in and piss themselves.

[kaiser soze]

yeah, well some of his raps on his albums aren't too far off

it doesn't appeal to me, I think the only rappers who can pull it off for me are the Beasties

[pshabi]

I'll take that any day over the tired old "omg I'm a gangsta, pimps and hos nonsense."

I have a hard time thinking of something more dated and cliche.



Oh the irony. Criticizing rap by pointing out gangsta/pimps/hos is more dated and cliche than anything. I don't think anyone is rapping about that shit anymore anyway. At least not anyone I give any cred too.

[roosta]

People can complain about the Ken Kaniff and serial murderer stuff, but I'll take that any day over the tired old "omg I'm a gangsta, pimps and hos nonsense."
Seriously, how are people not embarrassed to be in gangs these days?
I have a hard time thinking of something more dated and cliche.
Actually, I can think of one: rapping about it.


I agree, that's why I dig what Mos Def and Black Thought do....

it's neither.

[RobMoney$]

Oh the irony. Criticizing rap by pointing out gangsta/pimps/hos is more dated and cliche than anything. I don't think anyone is rapping about that shit anymore anyway. At least not anyone I give any cred too.

I bet you'd be hard pressed to list your 10 favorite hip hop albums of 2009 without having any of them have rhymes about guns, bitches, or drug dealing.

[pshabi]

I bet you'd be hard pressed to list your 10 favorite hip hop albums of 2009 without having any of them have rhymes about guns, bitches, or drug dealing.

I'd be hard pressed to name my top 10 albums of '09, period. I'm not sure I liked ten albums.

[EN[i]GMA]

No, yeah, totally...I actually thought you were quoting an actual Eminem verse with that. That's how talented you are!

I'm guessing you had your baseball cap on sideways and were making peace signs and crossing and uncrossing your arms when you were reciting that back to yourself.

Word.

[Lyman Zerga]

no offense but those opinions are wack!

hes doper than dope.

your opinions on everything are so ridiculous, they dont even count

[mickill]

yeah, well some of his raps on his albums aren't too far off


No. They are.

And what's sad is that you clearly tried to make that sound authentic. You even broke out "sucka mc", which indicates just how far out of the loop you are.

[EN[i]GMA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwyOfqbP8JU

3:00

Yeah, dude's wack.

Right?

[mickill]

GMA;1721406']http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwyOfqbP8JU

3:00

Yeah, dude's wack.

Right?



Oh c'mon man. You know Mike D could do that shit too.

[DIGI]

No. They are.

And what's sad is that you clearly tried to make that sound authentic. You even broke out "sucka mc", which indicates just how far out of the loop you are.

Come on, Mike. Take it easy. I've never been a fan of his either. That's not saying I haven't liked any of his songs or refuse to acknowledge his obvious talent. I just think he's a creep.

The kid's entitled to his opinion, even though it may sound a bit nutty to most here. Kinda like how you thought popped collars were cool in the not-so-distant past.

[mickill]

Nah fuck that! And fuck that kid too (no bruno). His opinion can smd.

And I already told you that it was just really cold that morning.

[DIGI]

Haha!

[EN[i]GMA]

Oh c'mon man. You know Mike D could do that shit too.

I thought that WAS Mike D?

[eddiecee]

You sir, suck.

Hah, well said.

[kaiser soze]

oh ya got me!

why don't you go breakdance off a bridge

[Lyman Zerga]

glad we can all agree now that eminem is a waste of human, thanks

[mickill]

oh ya got me!

why don't you go breakdance off a bridge

You probably sit in your kitchen with your bran flakes and prune juice thinking about how you "can't stand these kids with their big giant radios and all their electric sliding! I wish they would all go breakdance off a bridge!"

[mickill]

glad we can all agree now that eminem is a waste of human, thanks

Yes, you and all the different voices in your head clearly agree with each other for once.

[nodanaonlyzuul]

I think he's done with the accents also.

I fucking hope so.

[cj hood]

give me the (studio) resources eminem has and i could outshine him any day.....believe it!

[EN[i]GMA]

give me the (studio) resources eminem has and i could outshine him any day.....believe it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2ne2nZzqJ8

I don't believe it.

[Planetary]

Good point, that's an excellent beat too though.

[kaiser soze]

You probably sit in your kitchen with your bran flakes and prune juice thinking about how you "can't stand these kids with their big giant radios and all their electric sliding! I wish they would all go breakdance off a bridge!"


haha, right - I will bet my child that I am more hiphop than most of the eminem fans out there. Growing up with breakdancing, rollerskating, the electric boogaloo, NWA, Digital Underground, Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince, Diggable Planets, PM Dawn, blah blah and then becoming a dj exploring all sorts of downtempo/underground hiphop like Peanut Butter Wolf, Wax Tailor, Vadim, Food, Shadow...I think you see where I'm going

yes I don't breakdance anymore, nor do I rollerskate, and my tables are collecting dust - but you are right I do enjoy a good ol' bowl of bran flakes in the morning

it keeps me regular

[RobMoney$]

LOL...more hip hop?

Yeah, well my dad's more hip hop than your dad.

[kaiser soze]

awesome dude, I bet that's what your teenage children say!

[kaiser soze]

and yes I am more hiphop than most of eminem's fans, I'd fucking destroy you on the tables

[mickill]

Well shit, you didn't mention you grew up on PM Dawn! You musta wore out a lot of hacky sacks to that shit.

[checkyourprez]

and yes I am more hiphop than most of eminem's fans, I'd fucking destroy you on the tables

just because you spun kurtis blow back in the day doesnt mean you cant diss eminem!!!!!

[Kid Presentable]

As a teen I macked on many girls to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVGMynUs-SU) heater.

[Kid Presentable]

In fact, in my younger days I almost shitted in my pants when this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AOVf9p9ht4) piece of sample flippery came along.

[The Notorious LOL]

and yes I am more hiphop than most of eminem's fans, I'd fucking destroy you on the tables

hands down gayest thing ever uttered on this board.

[Knuckles]

hands down gayest thing ever uttered on this board.

Really? Cause I thought Growing up with rollerskating, PM Dawn,

was a little gayer.

[EN[i]GMA]

The real question is did you listen to the Fat Boys and 2 Live Jews?

Those are the markers of a TRUE hip hop fan.

[Knuckles]

GMA;1721770']The real question is did you listen to the Fat Boys and 2 Live Jews?

Those are the markers of a TRUE hip hop fan.

Don't forget H.W.A.

[mickill]

I don't know bout y'all but we used ta get it on n poppin ta dis shit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ9VBMBS3qE) right here. We got mad hip hop ta dat. I also used to destroy dis shit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtIGCGu9L90) on da tables.

[mickill]

Awwwww snizzap that's my jam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHkj804LCl0&feature=fvw)

[EN[i]GMA]

And we can't forget this anthemic jam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ1NA7Mgzgw

[EN[i]GMA]

Awwwww snizzap that's my jam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHkj804LCl0&feature=fvw)

I wish I was little bit taller,
I wish I was a baller,
I wish I had a girl who looked good
I would call her
I wish I had a rabbit in a hat with a bat
and a 64' Impala

Word.

[RobMoney$]

Boyyyeee you have no idea how hip hop I am.
I was the city of Philadelphia 13&Under Michael Jackson dance a-like challenge champion when you were still sucking your binky in your playpen.
I won a trophy bigger than you along with a $50 US savings bond, (which I still have, framed) and best of all I was awarded a spot as one of Alphonso Ribeiro's backup dancers for his kids dance instruction video.
Here check it out. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd4C8_FMdjA)
That's me doing the worm.

He was soo impressed with my rapping and dancing skills he invited me to be in this commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgr3_w4b_0Y&feature=related) with him where I met the legend himself, Michael!
(That's me with the blue bandana tied around my neck around the :18 sec. mark)

Sure, I don't moonwalk anymore and my red Micheal Jackson leather with the metal shoulders is collecting dust in my closet, but I would fucking destroy you on the dancefloor in a hip hop dance battle.

[hpdrifter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YygkjPPoHF0

:o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2JfY-nVaqg

;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtwJvgPJ9xw

:confused:

[hpdrifter]

Don't ask, there was no point to my post except some of the posts here reminded me of songs.

I'm not trying to challenge anyone to any dance battles here.

[saz]

I was awarded a spot as one of Alphonso Ribeiro's backup dancers for his kids dance instruction video.
Here check it out. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd4C8_FMdjA)
That's me doing the worm.

where in that commercial are you?

i remember the pepsi one

[RobMoney$]

I'm the white kid with the blonde-ish hair and the headband and the suede Pumas.

at the :10 sec. mark doing the moonwalk with Alphonso

then again at the :30 sec mark doing "the centipede". I'm the top one on your screen.

Funny story, I tried to tell Alphonso it was called the worm but he insisted on it being called "the centipede" because he thought he heard someone call it that.
You do realize I'm making all of this up, completely mocking kaisers post, right?

[saz]

yeah, i was kind of skeptical, but mind you landing gigs as an extra in film or tv isn't that hard.

[pshabi]

At work wit no youtube but thoroughly looking forward to looking at some links tonight when i get home.:D

[kaiser soze]

Boyyyeee you have no idea how hip hop I am.
I was the city of Philadelphia 13&Under Michael Jackson dance a-like challenge champion when you were still sucking your binky in your playpen.
I won a trophy bigger than you along with a $50 US savings bond, (which I still have, framed) and best of all I was awarded a spot as one of Alphonso Ribeiro's backup dancers for his kids dance instruction video.
Here check it out. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd4C8_FMdjA)
That's me doing the worm.

He was soo impressed with my rapping and dancing skills he invited me to be in this commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgr3_w4b_0Y&feature=related) with him where I met the legend himself, Michael!
(That's me with the blue bandana tied around my neck around the :18 sec. mark)

Sure, I don't moonwalk anymore and my red Micheal Jackson leather with the metal shoulders is collecting dust in my closet, but I would fucking destroy you on the dancefloor in a hip hop dance battle.

oh now you're just being a dick

oh wait, you've always been one!

word

[checkyourprez]

Boyyyeee you have no idea how hip hop I am.
I was the city of Philadelphia 13&Under Michael Jackson dance a-like challenge champion when you were still sucking your binky in your playpen.
I won a trophy bigger than you along with a $50 US savings bond, (which I still have, framed) and best of all I was awarded a spot as one of Alphonso Ribeiro's backup dancers for his kids dance instruction video.
Here check it out. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd4C8_FMdjA)
That's me doing the worm.

He was soo impressed with my rapping and dancing skills he invited me to be in this commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgr3_w4b_0Y&feature=related) with him where I met the legend himself, Michael!
(That's me with the blue bandana tied around my neck around the :18 sec. mark)

Sure, I don't moonwalk anymore and my red Micheal Jackson leather with the metal shoulders is collecting dust in my closet, but I would fucking destroy you on the dancefloor in a hip hop dance battle.

haha yo are you serious with this shit? i suppose someone has to be everyone of those people you know what im saying, its just funny to know that one of them was you. let alone like the only white kid.

[Lyman Zerga]

i dont know why rob is even posting in this thread

i thought he grew out of hip hop?

[RobMoney$]

haha yo are you serious with this shit? i suppose someone has to be everyone of those people you know what im saying, its just funny to know that one of them was you. let alone like the only white kid.


It's all 100% true.
Cross my heart.

Anytime Kaiser, you & me...and the red leather!

[mickill]

$19.99 was a lot of $ back in '85, especially for some cardboard, a book and a record. There wasn't even a "But wait...." bonus tagged on at the end.

Needless to say, Alfonso probably didn't exactly get caked up off that idea, but I'm sure he doesn't regret any of it. Plus he was still getting that Pepsi money.

[The Notorious LOL]

RobMoneys story seems ridiculous enough to the point that it seems unlikely that its anything but true.

[mickill]

Do you really think RobMoney was doing hand spins back in the day? The very thought just seems....I don't know....utterly beyond the realms of likelihood.

[EN[i]GMA]

I forgot to mention, I actually used to be in the Rock Steady Crew.

[Helvete]

I used to go to block parties back in the day, nothing big, some dude called Herc something used to run them. Pretty ill.

[yeahwho]

Why would anybody concoct a story like that and if they did I would believe it double because it was so cool. Like religion and stuff.

I believe it and I want that Breakin' and Poppin set... mainly for the poster and rap sheet. They're awesome looking.

That is a way cool story. I love the way Alfonso Ribeiro says, Can You Rap?

[checkyourprez]

good zing though!

[The Notorious LOL]

Do you really think RobMoney was doing hand spins back in the day? The very thought just seems....I don't know....utterly beyond the realms of likelihood.

True, but its not like its an impressive story. Itd be like bragging that your uncle played bass in the Marshall Tucker Band. Why bring it up otherwise?

[hpdrifter]

People...


You do realize I'm making all of this up, completely mocking kaisers post, right?

[mickill]

Guess that settles that.

[hpdrifter]

Now you are free to comment on the songs I posted. I was lying when I said I wasn't trying to get into a dance battle. At least with you, I'm pretty sure I could smoke you.

[checkyourprez]

People...

this chick is wicked smat brah!!! good work nancy drew.

[mickill]

Now you are free to comment on the songs I posted. I was lying when I said I wasn't trying to get into a dance battle. At least with you, I'm pretty sure I could smoke you.

Doubt it. See cos, that kid in the video.....was actually me. Cross my heart.

[RobMoney$]

True, but its not like its an impressive story. Itd be like bragging that your uncle played bass in the Marshall Tucker Band. Why bring it up otherwise?

That story is as "un-hip hop" as kaiser's hip hop credentials...



haha, right - I will bet my child that I am more hiphop than most of the eminem fans out there. Growing up with breakdancing, rollerskating, the electric boogaloo, NWA, Digital Underground, Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince, Diggable Planets, PM Dawn, blah blah and then becoming a dj exploring all sorts of downtempo/underground hiphop like Peanut Butter Wolf, Wax Tailor, Vadim, Food, Shadow...I think you see where I'm going

yes I don't breakdance anymore, nor do I rollerskate, and my tables are collecting dust

Really,...PM Dawn, roller skating, and the fresh prince?
If I was going to try to prove how hip-hop I was, those are some of the last things I'd use, along with Alphonso Ribeiro being the mini Michael.


There is some truth to the story tho, a good friend of mine did win the Michael Jackson dance contest and did get to meet Alphonso as part of the prize, but nobody really considered it "hip hop" or anything.

Dude grew up to be a chipendales dancer and lives in Vegas now.

[mickill]

Ha. That's sorta like saying, "yeah, my cousin's a dentist, which kinda makes me one, I guess."

I wouldn't knock the Jazzy Jeff thing, personally. He's probably one of the overall best/most influential DJs in hip hop, and his post-Fresh Prince work has been pretty solid. But yeah, I can't say I followed their music past "He's The DJ....", which was still more just due to preadolescence etc.

PM Dawn still remains inexcusable.

[RobMoney$]

I specified Fresh Prince.
You know where I'm from, no need to give me Jeff's credentials. (y)

[saz]

ahahahahah (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AOVf9p9ht4) oh man

[Lyman Zerga]

i thought rob's and kaiser's posts were supposed to be jokes so i barely read them


well say what you want but the best fresh prince episode is when carlton becomes a gangsta, hell yeah

i dont care so much about fresh prince's music, thats how hip hop i am

[Documad]

This turned out to be a quality thread.

You never know what you're going to get at the BBMB.

[RobMoney$]

Mick was the only one who's spidey senses were on with that story.
Dancing is not RobMoney.
I mean I've been known to fist pump at a club, or lose my mind in a mosh pit at a concert from time to time, but anything beyond that you can forget about.

I was more into bombing the rooftops of Philadelphia along the Market-Frankford line when I was a kid when hip hop was just being born.
Carried a LTI cassette in my denim jacket everywhere I went.

[Sir SkratchaLot]

I thought this was going to be about Eminem raping people but it turned out to be about Michael Jackson and Alphonso Ribeiro so I'm satisfied.

[Sir SkratchaLot]

Wait, I came out wrong.

[Sir SkratchaLot]

I mean, THAT came out wrong.

[b i o n i c]

even though nothing in this thread is true, i give (y)(y)(y)(y) to rob's alphonse story.. i liked the part where alphonso liked his dancing SO MUCH he INVITED r$ to the other thing - haha. twelve year old alphonso called all da shots. that shit would oretty much make you the coolest kid ever in school back in '83, collars up and eithing. A+ for execution, rob - clap clap

[mickill]

LL, Busta, Kanye, Wyclef, Snoop, Nipsey Hu$$le and will.i.am spit some ill shit on this shit right here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glny4jSciVI&feature=player_embedded#) That's what's hip hop.

[Kid Presentable]

This thread should be a mixtape.

[mickill]

Rondell's Beat Tape skit Ft Eminem (http://usershare.net/YouHeardThatNew/dr5ov2qhii6t)