super skinny me

[russhie]

I've been watching this documentary for the last few weeks, and its a little interesting - a couple of women dieting like celebrities apparently do to show just how difficult it is to get to size 00 and how impossible it is maintain that size for the average woman.

I'm usually a pretty intelligent person, and whatever body issues I have are pretty much under control (at least they have been for the last couple of years) but this doco has flicked a little switch in my head, and I find myself thinking "I can do that". Watching two healthy women starve and obsess and work out to the point that they fit in a pair of jeans small enough to fit a child has made me think, shit, if they can do it, so can I.

The rational part of me says I'd be stupid to try but that gets drowned out pretty quickly by the part of me that wants my arse to look like that in jeans. The last couple of years I've been working on changing my mindset from "nobody thinks I'm skinny enough" but it turns out I'm not actually worried about what other people think - I'm the one who doesn't think I'm skinny enough - so it's the desire to be skinny for myself that's causing me to embark on this stupid stupid weightloss thing.

On a positive note, at least I have goals in life? Useless, stupid goals. bah.

[checkyourprez]

you can only be young and ridiculously good looking for a short time in your life, might as well take advantage!!

[Lyman Zerga]

the only guys who like skinny girls are closet homos

[Kid Presentable]

I've been watching this documentary for the last few weeks, and its a little interesting - a couple of women dieting like celebrities apparently do to show just how difficult it is to get to size 00 and how impossible it is maintain that size for the average woman.

I'm usually a pretty intelligent person, and whatever body issues I have are pretty much under control (at least they have been for the last couple of years) but this doco has flicked a little switch in my head, and I find myself thinking "I can do that". Watching two healthy women starve and obsess and work out to the point that they fit in a pair of jeans small enough to fit a child has made me think, shit, if they can do it, so can I.

The rational part of me says I'd be stupid to try but that gets drowned out pretty quickly by the part of me that wants my arse to look like that in jeans. The last couple of years I've been working on changing my mindset from "nobody thinks I'm skinny enough" but it turns out I'm not actually worried about what other people think - I'm the one who doesn't think I'm skinny enough - so it's the desire to be skinny for myself that's causing me to embark on this stupid stupid weightloss thing.

On a positive note, at least I have goals in life? Useless, stupid goals. bah.

Beth. Not judging, but this isn't a good way to think.

[checkyourprez]

Beth. Not judging, but this isn't a good way to think.

if its done in an unhealthy manor, for instance anorexia, i agree a bit. but its the same for a guy who strives to look like arnold or something. if its done through hard work and eating properly then i dont see a problem with it. if the guy is doing steroids then yea its not a good way to do things. some people value their looks, aint no thang but a good looking chicken wang.

[kaiser soze]

the only guys who like skinny girls are closet homos

let me guess

you're a chubby chaser?

I'm watching Super Size Me right now and I want to puke

[checkyourprez]

let me guess

you're a chubby chaser?

I'm watching Super Size Me right now and I want to puke

or a chubby girl..

[Yetra Flam]

Yeah that's a real stupid goal to have.

The reason why this post annoyed me so much is because I really do identify with that thought process. My feelings of inadequacy (in comparison to other women) have been a total burden on my life, making me this miserable bitter and twisted person that many of you on here have come to know and love (!)

You're a smart girl, and you seem to have your shit together. It is not entirely unlikely that the majority of girls are envious of YOU. I have a feeling that you are a perfectionist and want to strive to be the BEST at everything. And that's great that you have that kind of ambition, but shit, focus it on something that actually fucking matters. When you're on your death bed recounting significant and important events in your life, is one of them going to be "i fit into a pair of size 00 jeans!"?

You dont need me to tell you that being skinny is not going to make your life any better. I almost want to say "go ahead! try it!" so you can see how horrible it is. There will be brief, sparing moments of "oh wow i have a flat stomach," then you'll return to the miserable existence of a self-loathing,
obsessive dieter.

You dont need me to tell you that this mentality actually makes a person unattractive.

You dont need me to tell you that you somehow need to snap out of it.
Hell, there are some days when if i see a beautiful girl with a perfect body (and in new york city, there sure are a fuckload of them) my whole world just about comes crashing down. "I'll never look like her! My life will never be as good as hers must be!" What the fuck kind of bullshit is that?! Fucking retarded. I'm ashamed that I even have that thought process.

All I can say is don't do it to yourself.

[lolkat]

^yeah, or go ahead and do it to yourself bc youre obv a stupid bitch who deserves to be miserable

[Lyman Zerga]

let me guess

you're a chubby chaser?

I'm watching Super Size Me right now and I want to puke

let me guess

your girl got either tits nor ass

[russhie]

The "at least I have goals" bit at the end was a sort of joke, I realise the stupidity of dieting down to a ridiculous size and was attempting to illustrate the potential positive in such a warped mindset. Anyway. I have lots of goals, career, travel, personal development...all much more important than being skinny. I know all this. I also know I'm perfectly attractive as is. Not amazing, but I've not had any complaints.

I don't think being skinny will make my life better. I don't think people will love me more, I don't think it'll help me find my soulmate, I don't think it'll help me get promoted or become more successful. I just like the way it looks. And not frighteningly thin either, just thin. Athletic verging on bony thin. I don't aspire to look like a woman in the grip of anorexia.

Extreme dieting appeals to me - I don't mean, "oh I'm going to do the mastercleanse for 40 days" extreme, I mean the idea of limiting and controlling what I eat and how much I work out in relation to that. I it find comforting...I can't control other things, but I can decide how my body looks, and if I've decided that being a size 8AU is what I want, then there's a level of relief (for me) in the pursuit of that goal.

Also, lolkat...shut up :)

[mickill]

you can only be young and ridiculously good looking for a short time in your life, might as well take advantage!!

Your style of complimenting girls reminds me of these guys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8_Y7BRLuZQ).

[venusvenus123]

oh dear. this whole thread reminds me of why i stopped posting here and didn't bother coming back. :(

[Adam]

In my opinion its not a healthy mindset but if you can't stop yourself thinking like that and want that athletic body you said then why not try turn that thinking into becoming more athletic? I don't know you - the healthiest mindset of all is to just be happy with what you currently have and try to be healthy as possible because if you do that, your perfect body image will just come because you're doing everything comfortably and good exercise and food is one of the best ways to find that life balance.

We all have mental anguish and demons and at certain points in life they can manifest for the stupidest reasons - like a chance TV show, a comment from a friend or even the tiniest change in personal circumstance.

Anyway, I'm sure/hope you'll make the right choices (y)

[Kid Presentable]

oh dear. this whole thread reminds me of why i stopped posting here and didn't bother coming back. :(

Nah, you should speak.

[venusvenus123]

OK KP, I may do that. That's nice to say, btw :)


Watching two healthy women starve and obsess and work out to the point that they fit in a pair of jeans small enough to fit a child has made me think, shit, if they can do it, so can I.


Seems many boys don't seem to notice this part of the post. The size zero "debate" really depresses me. It's not about a healthy body ideal, it just does my head in.

My niece has a size zero body, but she has the physique of a 7 year old (she's 19) and eats like a horse. She's not skinny, she's just tiny. She was born premature, so perhaps that has something to do with it. Being with her reminds me how silly the whole "clothes size" thing is.

[Adam]

Seems many boys don't seem to notice this part of the post...

In my personal experience, women won't listen to you when you tell them they ain't fat or look good how they are. Only people telling you to lose weight or change your diet should be your GP and other health professionals.

The fashion industry is run by women and seemingly gay guys. These are the ones who should answer to the media thin issue, they tell us all the time what they decide what is in that season - its not some mystical force that changes people perception, its what we are shown what we should now aspire to is what we want. If as a collective they decided fat was in then then we'd have less of these issues. They'd still sell the clothes and larger models would still look good (or better in my opinion).

Very few men like the bony look with nothing to hold. Men like to touch and grab.

[Kid Presentable]

I don't want a girl whose cheeks look like elbows

[Adam]

Speaking of which, plus sized models on front cover of Elle (http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2010/mar/28/elle-models-france-plus-size) I've just seen.

[checkyourprez]

Your style of complimenting girls reminds me of these guys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8_Y7BRLuZQ).


i like my bitches fit.


perfection is the goal.

[Adam]

i like my bitches fit.


perfection is the goal.

Both are subjective to ones taste however. Someone who is super skinny, constantly counting every calorie and has a constant fixation on looks is someone unattractive to me.

Someone who eats when they like, you can have a beer with and conversation can flow from subject to subject without being pre-occupied with just one or two things in life is someone attractive to me. But maybe to someone else unattractive as it might seem she doesn't care how she looks.

[monkey]

my best friend is barely a size 00. she has struggled with eating disorders and various other issues, and for her it's gotten to the point that she HAD to gain 10 lbs to get a period.
the thing was, it wasn't a desire to be "skinny" that did her in, it was that desire to be perfect. when things don't go well, it's her appetite that goes first and exercise is the only thing that will take away her nervous energy. it's not even one of those things where she thinks she needs to lose weight, she's actually acutely aware of her need to gain. i believe her (finally) that she doesn't see her extreme thinness as attractive or a good goal. she DOESNT look good being this skinny, she's bony as fuck. she has naturally large hips, which just stick out awkwardly compared to her incredibly tiny waist, and naturally large breasts that have been shrunk down to barely there a/b cups. but the behavior is deeply embedded.

when i see/hear about diets and trying super hard to be that thin adn all of that, i kinda get that mindset too, where you think if others can do it, so can i, and i dont need to eat, and i am fat anyway so if i dont eat much for a week or two, it's fine. but i also know that after that beginning struggle, it does become a very easy mindset to follow and continue, and it will twist you. i have allowed it to twist me in the past. im almost fearful of it, because you slowly stop living your regular life and everything revolves around making sure you have that empty-stomach feeling all the time. sometimes i understand my friend's mindset in difficult situations because there's something very soothing about controlling your body when everything else seems out of control. but then you become out of control, and that's... frightening.

[Ty Webb]

1. eat breakfast
2. puke it up
3. ??????????
4. profit

[checkyourprez]

Both are subjective to ones taste however. Someone who is super skinny, constantly counting every calorie and has a constant fixation on looks is someone unattractive to me.

Someone who eats when they like, you can have a beer with and conversation can flow from subject to subject without being pre-occupied with just one or two things in life is someone attractive to me. But maybe to someone else unattractive as it might seem she doesn't care how she looks.

for true. i dont care how anyone wants to look, its up to them. but i likes what i likes.

myself, i got goals...my goal of perfection (http://thedragonzone.com/images/posts/2009/gsptop5.jpg)

and i'd like my wife to embody the same (http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r270/lmntalattraction/Wowza.jpg)..

i dont look down on people who have different goals and wants in life. to each their own.

[nodanaonlyzuul]

I sometimes go through this in my head. I want to have zero body fat and look like a super model. Then sometimes it gets worse, and I get down on myself and often think I look chubby and gross. Especially when I'm around the "perfect" looking women.

But then when I would notice the kind of boys that want the tiny/thin/model looking girls and compare them to the men that want realistic looking women...

I realized I am very happy to be a realistic looking woman.

[checkyourprez]

I sometimes go through this in my head. I want to have zero body fat and look like a super model. Then sometimes it gets worse, and I get down on myself and often think I look chubby and gross. Especially when I'm around the "perfect" looking women.

But then when I would notice the kind of boys that want the tiny/thin/model looking girls and compare them to the men that want realistic looking women...

I realized I am very happy to be a realistic looking woman.

that doesn't even mean anything.

[Caribou]

that doesn't even mean anything.

I means that only twats look for 'perfection' and want their women to embody that perfection.

No one is perfect and imo it's better if a man knows and appreciates that and loves someone for the person they are, in stead of settling for a mentally unstable diet-freak with self-esteem issues, just because they have a size 0.

I sometimes read stories about women who get treated like shit by their boyfriends just because they gained a couple of pounds. That infuriates me. a relationship shouldn't be based on looks, IMO.

[The Notorious LOL]

tits and ass rule (y)

[checkyourprez]

I means that only twats look for 'perfection' and want their women to embody that perfection.

No one is perfect and imo it's better if a man knows and appreciates that and loves someone for the person they are, in stead of settling for a mentally unstable diet-freak with self-esteem issues, just because they have a size 0.

I sometimes read stories about women who get treated like shit by their boyfriends just because they gained a couple of pounds. That infuriates me. a relationship shouldn't be based on looks, IMO.

not really. it was just a massive sweeping generalization. most guys want that girl, but cant get her. doesnt mean they dont want her just because they are not with her. why do you think men go to strip clubs and watch porn?



but on to the issue of perfections, whats the point of anything in life if you dont want to be the best at it?

[Knuckles]

but on to the issue of perfections, whats the point of anything in life if you dont want to be the best at it?

Enjoyment maybe?

[checkyourprez]

Enjoyment maybe?

sure.


its a personality type thing perhaps. the micheal jordan, tiger woods, wayne gretzky.

[Dorothy Wood]

I'm kind of wondering what the point of being perfect-looking is?

In the end, does anybody actually care? are perfect-looking people the happiest people? it doesn't seem like it.

maybe it's because I'm getting old or whatever...but I just don't really care that much about how people look. I'm pale and chubs, but I've always been able to get laid and laid well. I have the benefit of a decent face and a tolerable personality, and I'm sure I'd have been a happier or less upset person if I'd been born with a bod to match...but I wasn't...and life can be rough, but ultimately, how a person looks has very little bearing on whether or not they are good and/or interesting people.

Fitness is an important thing, but sometimes being fit and healthy for your natural body type isn't going to translate into what you see on the cover of magazines.

[TurdBerglar]

skinny bitches look as if you'd hurt them if you fucked them hard

[Adam]

not really. it was just a massive sweeping generalization. most guys want that girl, but cant get her. doesnt mean they dont want her just because they are not with her. why do you think men go to strip clubs and watch porn?



but on to the issue of perfections, whats the point of anything in life if you dont want to be the best at it?

me and you definitely have different tastes in life but it'd be boring if we all had the same ideals. I can honestly say I don't want that girl - I once had a massive argument with a girl I was dating for being too skinny - she was hurting herself and it made me angry, she was happier when eating 3 meals a day. Although she was generally cool she was also insane, man am I ever glad to be out of that...

Anyway, a lot of the most popular porn is amateur or stuff that looks real, from what I see they rarely have perfect bodies in the sense you mean . Strip Clubs, yeah they are probably skinnier or more athletic but they work out all day just because their job involves it but they aren't the perfect image either in the same perfection sense as earlier. Low lighting and alcohol - they skew most peoples judgement.

What ever you're best at doing there is always someone else who can do it better - the point of doing anything in life is to enjoy it and try and enhance other peoples life, but again we probably have different outlooks on life

[russhie]

The general idea seems to be that women who are thin are miserable and unable to enjoy life...I think that's a shitty generalisation. I've got thin friends who work their bodies hard, pay attention to what they eat, and play as hard as anyone I know. They seem to be enjoying life just fine.

What if eating some foods makes you anxious? What if you're happier eating a salad, as opposed to grabbing a beer and a steak, or something? Am I going to be judged as being someone who cares too much, or is some insane calorie counting freak who can't relax and eat something 'decent'?

Like everyone in this thread, I have my own idea of perfection and beauty, and who's to say that the people who like women with curves and hate bony chicks are more right than me? I already said I prefer athletic bodies with an element of bony-ness to them - not the 'heroin chic' look - so why is my ideal of beauty any less valid than the ideals of men who like 'something to grab hold of'?

Not trying to be defensive, just asking.

[Kid Presentable]

I think it's more about an individual's idea of contentment. Are you ever going to be content? Will weight loss mean you won't be chasing something else? Is it just one thing you think you can control in an uncontrollable world? Is it really worth it?

[Helvete]

Not everyone has to work for their great bodies.

[russhie]

I think it's more about an individual's idea of contentment. Are you ever going to be content? Will weight loss mean you won't be chasing something else? Is it just one thing you think you can control in an uncontrollable world? Is it really worth it?

I see.

Um, personally, no. I can't see a point when I'll be perfectly content - that thought used to depress me, the realisation I'd never be completely happy with my body, but it's something I've come to accept... and acceptance makes me more at ease I guess. Able to cope with the fact I won't ever be happy. I'll be happier at some point, I suppose, but not completely satisfied.

I think if my weight loss got in the way of other things - say, fitness goals or it affected my ability to perform my job - I'd have to admit I had a problem. I've punished my body in various ways for the last ten or so years, with dieting and exercise and drugs and sleep deprivation and all manner of stupidity, all in the process of playing hard and working hard, just like everyone else. My body has held up well, and I respect that. But all that means in the end is that I now have a pretty good idea as to what I can do to it before it gets to a critical point, and to some other people these things might be considered beyond what they'd choose to cope with.

I think it comes down to things I can't control vs things I can. I can't control what happens to me, generally, nor can I control how other people feel, think or act towards me. I mean, I can not be a bitch towards other people and be rewarded with friendship, but that doesn't mean that others won't think poorly of me because of something they've heard, or an impression I gave off, or whatever. All that shit is beyond my control. I can control how I feel about myself though. And really, if I'm happy with myself then what does it matter what anyone else thinks?

You're a smart dude Kid P.

[Kid Presentable]

Not everyone has to work for their great bodies.

Some people wank in private, too.

[hpdrifter]

GSP is so gorgeous, I'd go 25 minutes in the octagon with him any day. How did that English fucker get out of an arm bar and a chicken wing?

Anyway, having been down this road and back several times, people, I'll tell you it doesn't have as much to do with weight or clothes or looks as you think. It's about control.

[Echewta]

That was a pretty good fight.

So far from this thread, I've learned its best to have a beer with your salad.

[Dorothy Wood]

I see.

Um, personally, no. I can't see a point when I'll be perfectly content - that thought used to depress me, the realisation I'd never be completely happy with my body, but it's something I've come to accept... and acceptance makes me more at ease I guess. Able to cope with the fact I won't ever be happy. I'll be happier at some point, I suppose, but not completely satisfied.

I think if my weight loss got in the way of other things - say, fitness goals or it affected my ability to perform my job - I'd have to admit I had a problem. I've punished my body in various ways for the last ten or so years, with dieting and exercise and drugs and sleep deprivation and all manner of stupidity, all in the process of playing hard and working hard, just like everyone else. My body has held up well, and I respect that. But all that means in the end is that I now have a pretty good idea as to what I can do to it before it gets to a critical point, and to some other people these things might be considered beyond what they'd choose to cope with.

I think it comes down to things I can't control vs things I can. I can't control what happens to me, generally, nor can I control how other people feel, think or act towards me. I mean, I can not be a bitch towards other people and be rewarded with friendship, but that doesn't mean that others won't think poorly of me because of something they've heard, or an impression I gave off, or whatever. All that shit is beyond my control. I can control how I feel about myself though. And really, if I'm happy with myself then what does it matter what anyone else thinks?

You're a smart dude Kid P.


as for punishing your body, it might seem like you have that under control, but you can't see inside your body. that shit is really hard on your heart, you might not even realize the damage you've done for another 10 years.

You say that you'll be happy becoming your own ideal, but then you also say that you'll never be content. So where does it end?

I'm not hating on the beautiful thin people who work hard on their appearance, that's fine with me. It just seems like there are more productive ways to live a life.

besides, nobody's in control of anything. even when you think you are, you're not.

[nodanaonlyzuul]

that doesn't even mean anything.

Although I don't agree with what you followed up with later on in the thread, I'll further clarify on my post by changing the wording. :rolleyes:

"But then when I would notice the kind of boys that only want/require the tiny/thin/model looking girls and compare them to the men that also desire realistic looking women..."

There you go.

Regardless, if getting serious about working on your body to have a thing, athletic body type is your thing russhie, go for it. Just do it the healthy way, not the crash dieting way.

[hpdrifter]

Sweetie, it was perfectly clear what you meant. He's just splitting hairs because that's what he does.

This may not really be related but the thing is what men want to see in pictures and what they want to put their hands on might be two different things. I remember being out at the club one time and there was this chick there who looked like Pamela Anderson. At least from far away. She had huge boobs, big teased platinum blonde hair and an absolute ton of makeup. So much that when she smiled it all kind of congealed around her eyes. But when you got close you saw her skin was leathery from over tanning, she had acne scars that weren't going to be covered up by any amount of foundation and stretch marks on her cleavage. The guys I was with were talking about how could you kiss her without getting sloppy makeup all over your face and swallowing a bunch of stringy cheap hair extensions. They thought she looked like a drag queen.

Anyway, I guess not really what we're talking about here but it was an interesting experience nonetheless.

[Yetra Flam]

Like everyone in this thread, I have my own idea of perfection and beauty, and who's to say that the people who like women with curves and hate bony chicks are more right than me? I already said I prefer athletic bodies with an element of bony-ness to them - not the 'heroin chic' look - so why is my ideal of beauty any less valid than the ideals of men who like 'something to grab hold of'?

Not trying to be defensive, just asking.


That is totally legitimate, and in terms of what is attractive, nobody is wrong.
Actually, on a side note; in my opinion, the portrayal of super curvy women with ridiculous proportions (The Kim Kardashian type) as the new physical ideal of femininity and beauty is just as, if not more, damaging to society's perceptions of beauty. It is completely unrealistic to have "perfect" proportions.

[QueenAdrock]

I think it comes down to things I can't control vs things I can. I can't control what happens to me, generally, nor can I control how other people feel, think or act towards me. I mean, I can not be a bitch towards other people and be rewarded with friendship, but that doesn't mean that others won't think poorly of me because of something they've heard, or an impression I gave off, or whatever. All that shit is beyond my control. I can control how I feel about myself though. And really, if I'm happy with myself then what does it matter what anyone else thinks?


I've known people with eating disorders and they all repeat the same idea of control. It's NEVER about eating or the way you look, it's about controlling something when you can't control anything else in life. You may have a shitty job but no other means of employment, your parents may be getting divorced, your boyfriend may have walked out on you and won't return your phone calls -- all things you can't control. However, whatever goes into your mouth can be controlled by you. Or so you think.

People with eating disorders use food to deal with uncomfortable or painful emotions. Restricting food is used to feel in control. Over time, people with eating disorders lose the ability to see themselves objectively and obsessions over food and weight come to dominate everything else in life.

Please, please, please don't go down that path. It's destroyed a lot of lives, and it's SO hard to stop that mindset once you've started. "Controlling" your weight becomes a coping mechanism for other things that may be wrong and out of your hands. There's got to be other ways to deal with it. You may think that having control will give you happiness, but it slips into an addiction so easily.

[checkyourprez]

Sweetie, it was perfectly clear what you meant. He's just splitting hairs because that's what he does.



not really. and it still doesnt really mean much. its making a supremely large generalization about the character of men based on what kind of look they prefer in a woman.

its insinuating a man who is a good guy, lives a good life, is quite moral but prefers a certain look in a woman is suddenly a bad guy because of the women he goes after. bit offensive actually.

[b i o n i c]

what people like or dont like dont say anything about them?

[cosmo105]

Russhie, your attitudes about your body and control are pretty concerning. QA has some really great points. Good health and a happy life are far more rewarding than the "perfect" body that you yourself admit you would never be satisfied with, no matter how thin or fit? That sounds like the beginnings of an eating disorder. At first I didn't say anything because it seemed like you were just like most women - I'm not perfectly satisfied with my bod either - but upon some deeper reading it does sound like you might have some deeper issues there.

I have years of experience with both nutrition AND body image/eating disorder prevention and awareness. If you want, I could show you some resources that might help guide you toward a healthier body image. Just remember - your body is not who you are. "Fat" is not a feeling.

[checkyourprez]

what people like or dont like dont say anything about them?

its just what turns someone on.


a guy likes chubby woman....tell me what that says about him?

[nodanaonlyzuul]

I'm not saying guys should like any size girl no matter what. We are all attracted to what we are attracted to.

However, I'm talking/focusing on the boys I've observed that will ONLY ever date women that look like magainze cover models are always douche bags. I'm talking the type that will overlook an awesome woman because she doesn't have the body of Megan Fox; she's still above average but because it's not the Fox type of perfection, he skips it. A guy that brushes a woman off because she is maybe 5 pounds more than his ideal. That kind of shit.

Overall, those type of boys have shitty personalities. The men that don't have such extreme, strict standards tend to have much more appealing personalities.

If any male is offended at this point, you are only offended because you fall in to that category. And well, the shoe fits.

[checkyourprez]

I'm not saying guys should like any size girl no matter what. We are all attracted to what we are attracted to.

However, I'm talking/focusing on the boys I've observed that will ONLY ever date women that look like magainze cover models are always douche bags. I'm talking the type that will overlook an awesome woman because she doesn't have the body of Megan Fox; she's still above average but because it's not the Fox type of perfection, he skips it. A guy that brushes a woman off because she is maybe 5 pounds more than his ideal. That kind of shit.

Overall, those type of boys have shitty personalities. The men that don't have such extreme, strict standards tend to have much more appealing personalities.

If any male is offended at this point, you are only offended because you fall in to that category. And well, the shoe fits.

cantankerous.

[venusvenus123]

will ONLY ever date women that look like magainze cover models
which is going to be a bit difficult as they are completely airbrushed :)

but i find that those kinds of guys get the girls they deserve: airheads... so everyone's happy.

i'm normally fairly in control of my slim body, but when i got really ill i had to take steroids (not the kind that make you muscly!) for about 5 months. they're evil bastards. although they did clear up my lung infection they made me bloat up like Violet Beauregarde :( , among other undesired side effects. anyway, it made me reassess the importance of body shape. i started playing chess again, and appreciating my brain more--focusing, i guess, on things i was able to control. :cool:

[Echewta]

Thats why I find it much easier to date actual magazine covers. They always look good, don't talk, and fit nicely in your pocket.