Militia raids in Midwest - FBI and local Authorities

[kaiser soze]

Once Patriots, now potential Terrorists - it just depends which side you are on. Looks like the threats/acts of violence have made an impression.

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/articles/2010/03/28/front/doc4bae9ec40d713435821346.txt

A battalion of local officers and federal agents flooded the Bayshore Estates neighborhood Saturday afternoon.

A second raid was conducted in Huron. An FBI agent at the scene of the Bayshore Estates raid said a second, related raid was taking place at “another location.” Huron police confirmed late Saturday a raid had taken place in that city, but would say nothing more.

http://www.annarbor.com/news/fbi-conducts-raids-in-washtenaw-lenawee-counties/

Several other raids took place around the same time in Sandusky and Huron in Ohio, but it's not clear whether those raids are related.


http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/03/fbi-agents-raid-hammond-location.html



Hammond police assisted with an FBI raid Saturday evening in the Indiana city, but federal officials would not release any details.

Hammond officials did not know the circumstances surrounding the raid, which began about 7 p.m. and lasted two hours, said a police dispatcher.

The raid occurred on the 1900 block of Calumet Avenue, the dispatcher said. There were no injuries reported.

[kaiser soze]

ooh

FOX News reporting as well (added it to legitimize the story for some around here) - although just enough for maybe a paragraph. I guess terrorism isn't much of a story to them anymore :rolleyes:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/28/arrests-alleged-militia-activity-midwest/

Seven people have been arrested for allegedly selling pipe bombs in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana, Fox News has learned.

[travesty]

I find it odd that a market has developed for pipe bombs. Isn't the whole point of a pipe bomb the fact that they are really easy to make from readily available materials?

Besides that, I think that militias have always garnered a rightful amount of attention from the feds as they are undoutedly magnets for people who we should be concerned about. Sounds like the Feds have been keeping a pretty good eye on these folks for some time now. That's what I never understood about militias, it's a self fulfilling paranoia about the Federal Government or Big Brother keeping tabs on you. They probably weren't, until you joined the militia.

[Bob]

ha

http://www.detnews.com/article/20100328/METRO/3280313/1361/Seven-arrested-in-FBI-raids-linked-to-Christian-militia-group

Mike Lackomar, of Michiganmilitia.com, said both The Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia and the Michiganmilitia.com are not involved in the investigation and have not been contacted by federal authorities.

Lackomar said he heard from other militia members that the FBI targeted the Hutaree after its members made threats of violence against Islamic organizations.

"Last night and into today the FBI conducted a raid against homes belonging to the Hutaree. They are a religious cult. They are not part of our militia community," he said.

Lackomar said he was told there were five arrests Saturday and another five early Sunday. The FBI declined to comment.

One of the Hutaree members called the Michigan militia for assistance Saturday after federal agents had already began their raid, Lackomar said, but the militia member -- who was of Islamic decent and had heard about the threats -- declined to offer help.

[RobMoney$]

The question we all need to ask ourselves is why people are turning to these alternative political minded organizations such as militias or the Tea Party.

[yeahwho]

The only thing we have is fear.

[DroppinScience]

The question we all need to ask ourselves is why people are turning to these alternative political minded organizations such as militias or the Tea Party.

The economic situation and fear mongering.

[Bob]

and occasionally jesus

http://www.hutaree.com/About%20Us.html

About Us

HUTAREE; Christian Warrior

As christians we all are a part of the Souls of the Body of Christ, the one true church of Christ. Not any specific man made building or any man controlled organization. This is the belief of the Hutaree soldier, as should the belief of all followers in Christ be.

We believe that one day, as prophecy says, there will be an Anti-Christ. All christians must know this and prepare, just as Christ commanded. Luke 22:35-37, And He said to them, “When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?” So they said, “Nothing.” 36, Then he said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. 37, “For I say to you that this which is written must be accomplished in me: ‘And He was numbered with transgressors,’ For the things concerning Me have an end.” This clearly states the reason for the training and preparation of the Hutaree.

Jesus wanted us to be ready to defend ourselves using the sword and stay alive using equipment. The only thing on earth to save the testimony and those who follow it, are the members of the testimony, til the return of Christ in the clouds. We, the Hutaree, are prepared to defend all those who belong to Christ and save those who aren’t. We will still spread the word, and fight to keep it, up to the time of the great coming.

Being Hutaree is to stay the Testimony of Christ alive, and follow a motto, John15:13, “Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.” We are hoping that through this website we can reach out to those who have not the word of God and those who are lost in there ideas of Christ. Many of the things Christ said would happen have happened and some things are still in the works of happening.

We all must know that we all carry a cross and a soldiers cross is just as heavy as any other. Just as Jesus did we must also carry our cross to our destination our life abounds us to. All people are givin a destination by God’s will and have to continue there walk to there own golgotha. But many people, even christians don’t agree with the things we do but all we have to say is, we will not argue over the Bible, read it for what it is. We believe only what the Bible says and not on only philosophy, as many christians of this day do. Christ is our king of kings and top general of all things, for we are not of this world but we live in it.

The Hutaree will one day see its enemy and meet him on the battlefield if so God wills it. We will reach out to those who are yet blind in the last days of the kingdoms of men and bring them to life in Christ. Daniel 11:32-35, “Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery; but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits. 33, “And those of the people who understand shall instruct many; yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering. 34, “Now when they fall, they shall be aided with a little help; but many shall join them by intrigue. 35 “And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time.”

You can find the news we find in some of the places we have in the information sources section. Also you can get gear from some of the choice places we have on gear links. Thanks for coming to Hutaree.com and please come again. Oh and don’t forget that you can write us through the contact us link on the Hutaree homepage. Once again thanks for visiting Hutaree.com and may Christ bless you widely.

[Whatitis]

ooh

FOX News reporting as well (added it to legitimize the story for some around here) - although just enough for maybe a paragraph. I guess terrorism isn't much of a story to them anymore :rolleyes:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/28/arrests-alleged-militia-activity-midwest/

It's more than any other major news org. is reporting at the moment, maybe cuz it's Sunday but yea terrorism isn't much of a story:rolleyes:

I also love how you group these guys with "the other side". I'll remember that the next time the ELF makes the news.

[kaiser soze]

Oh did I?

I might have implied but I did not make any specific statement connecting the militias to "the other side" - who is the other side might I ask?

What I said was true wasn't it?

Militias and Minutemen used to be all the rage...

[RobMoney$]

and occasionally jesus

http://www.hutaree.com/About%20Us.html


I love that everyone is using some quoted article to speak for them instead of actually posting an original opinion.
It's fitting for a kaiser thread.

Anyway, I don't buy that religion is the thing steering people in this direction, it's the economy.
Religion is just a common thread they share.
These are the folks who have lost their jobs and are becoming disenfranchised with our government's effort to do anything to help.

Put these people back to work and I'm willing to bet the won't have time to play army or Political protester anymore.

[yeahwho]

There will always be a place for you in the USA military where real patriots dwell and fucking kick ass.

[kaiser soze]

I love that everyone is using some quoted article to speak for them instead of actually posting an original opinion.
It's fitting for a kaiser thread.

Anyway, I don't buy that religion is the thing steering people in this direction, it's the economy.
Religion is just a common thread they share.
These are the folks who have lost their jobs and are becoming disenfranchised with our government's effort to do anything to help.

Put these people back to work and I'm willing to bet the won't have time to play army or Political protester anymore.

No rob it's hate - this kind of "militia" has been around for a while, this is not some new blossoming of "freedom fighter". If they are disenfranchised, they should take it to the ballot not try to make changes with a bullet.

If you believe it is the economy, who will put them to work? There are no mandates saying they should work nor that anyone should pull them up by their bootstraps, if jobless these fucks better not be claiming unemployment.

I'm not surprised you're not concerned about militant radicalization in our country - these people are probably your heroes. :)

oh and just for you

http://cbs5.com/national/hutaree.militia.group.2.1595616.html

The FBI is believed to have targeted the Hutaree after its members made threats of violence against Islamic organizations. A U.S. official says some of the people arrested in the raids will face gun charges.


yeah, sounds like the economy :rolleyes:

[Bob]

I love that everyone is using some quoted article to speak for them instead of actually posting an original opinion.
It's fitting for a kaiser thread.

Anyway, I don't buy that religion is the thing steering people in this direction, it's the economy.
Religion is just a common thread they share.
These are the folks who have lost their jobs and are becoming disenfranchised with our government's effort to do anything to help.

Put these people back to work and I'm willing to bet the won't have time to play army or Political protester anymore.

their website seems to be more about arming themselves for the second coming of christ than being disenfranchised with the government but sure, i guess you're probably right

[Documad]

The question we all need to ask ourselves is why people are turning to these alternative political minded organizations such as militias or the Tea Party.

It is pretty common when there is a social shift. It doesn't always take the same form, but when there's a power shift, it's scary for some groups of people. I'm sure that some people feel threatened by a black president, or the fact that white people will be a minority in this country at some point in the near future. Some people are disturbed at the number of new foreign speaking individuals in their communities. Other people are scared that homosexuals can now walk openly among us. There's also the bad economy. In bad economic times and times of social change there will always be leaders to pander to the worst instincts of scared people. I don't mean to compare the situation at all, but Hitler wouldn't have become prominent without the collapse of the German economy and hyperinflation.

We have these times but we tend to rise above it in the long run. I remember real ugliness against women when they were gaining their rights in my childhood -- all kinds of craziness on TV talk shows and the like. And I don't think young women today have any clue how crazy things were.

[RobMoney$]

No rob it's hate - this kind of "militia" has been around for a while, this is not some new blossoming of "freedom fighter". If they are disenfranchised, they should take it to the ballot not try to make changes with a bullet.

If you believe it is the economy, who will put them to work? There are no mandates saying they should work nor that anyone should pull them up by their bootstraps, if jobless these fucks better not be claiming unemployment.

I'm not surprised you're not concerned about militant radicalization in our country - these people are probably your heroes. :)

oh and just for you

http://cbs5.com/national/hutaree.militia.group.2.1595616.html



yeah, sounds like the economy :rolleyes:


Oh sorry, I guess I should have found an article that said it was the economy and quoted it.
I'm sure you would have been more willing to accept that.

[yeahwho]

Awhile back there was a shortage of Eggos® and many grocery stores Nationwide were affected by this. This made people very angry. I don't have a link or anything to quote from but I do remembering this being real and not some sort of dream.

[RobMoney$]

their website seems to be more about arming themselves for the second coming of christ than being disenfranchised with the government but sure, i guess you're probably right


The word GOD and GOP each only differ in one letter. D and P.
And we all know what DP stands for now, don't we?
And that is exactly what the GOP has planned for the United States of America if we do not stop them.

The link between religious extremism and terrorism has never been more obvious.
Kaiser's right, We need to stand up now.

[yeahwho]

kaiser soze is cool, why do you constantly nag kaiser soze? If you do not like kaiser soze go ahead and start a thread called " I do not like kaiser soze" and be done with it?

Obviously that is what this thread is becoming for you.

[RobMoney$]

kaiser soze is cool, why do you constantly nag kaiser soze? If you do not like kaiser soze go ahead and start a thread called " I do not like kaiser soze" and be done with it?

Obviously that is what this thread is becoming for you.

Hey, I'm just trying to show an appropiate level of concern for militias.
Apparently kaiser is annoyed that I'm not behaving like an alarmist.



I'm not surprised you're not concerned about militant radicalization in our country - these people are probably your heroes. :)


My opinion is that these people join militias or the Tea Party for the same reason kids with self-esteem issues join gangs.
It makes them feel powerful to be accepted and to be paid attention to by society.

Sorry if I don't get very concerned with people like that.

[Echewta]

There will always be groups like this, regardless of the ecomony, Congress. President, welfare, etc. When you have a country that allows groups like this to exist, to a point, they will.

And usually religion and hatred are the reasons why. I don't see the Teabaggers hosting a military style training camp to make sure their soldiers are ready for when the National Guard starts forcing Americans into the doctors offices.

[kaiser soze]

No but the Teabaggers do have a premise that closely resonates with these extremists - GOD And GUNS

It's ok that rob doesn't concern himself with this, but I guarantee if you replace militia with muslims his take (even if he withholds it from here) would be different -

Maybe his tune will change knowing that these domestic terrorists were plotting to kill Police Officers.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hGc00FR9o4OUr36gm80mOpG00ccwD9EOB0HO2

WASHINGTON — People familiar with the case against seven suspects arrested by the FBI this weekend say the case revolves around a plot to kill police officers.

Two law enforcement officials tell The Associated Press that members of the group in the Midwest had planned multiple attacks on police officers or other law enforcement personnel as a way of acting out their hatred for the government.

or he'll just keep on with the Healthcare bogeyman!

[Burnout18]

No but the Teabaggers do have a premise that closely resonates with these extremists - GOD And GUNS



didn't obama get introuble for saying people cling to thier guns and thier religion?

[Dorothy Wood]

didn't obama get introuble for saying people cling to thier guns and thier religion?

yes, but it doesn't make it any less true. my friend's dad owns a gun shop and it's been doing very well.


Attn: Rob:
as for militias, I think it's naive to think that they just sprang up because of the economy. I grew up in Michigan, and the Michigan Militia was very active and in the news. They formed in 1994 in reaction to your boy Clinton's gun laws, among other things (from wiki):

The two events that contributed to the formation and growth of the Michigan Militia were the Federal standoff at the Branch Davidian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_Davidian) church in Waco, Texas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco,_Texas) and the Federal standoff with the Weaver family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Weaver) in Ruby Ridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge), Idaho (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho). Many believed these events, which involved agents of the FBI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI) and BATF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BATF), were alarming shows of force by the Federal Government against citizens who had not committed any federal crimes, but were targeted for simply having views contrary to those in government at the time. In addition, several gun control laws passed during the early Clinton Administration increased fears amongst many that Second Amendment rights were being severely curtailed by the Federal Government.


I occasionally saw militia members pumping gas or eating at diners when I was in more rural areas in Michigan. They wear/wore uniforms almost all the time. Personally, I think that having a military presence of any kind is oppressive. It just propagates fear. But, you know...they're ready! they're gonna fight for what's right! they haven't needed to use it yet, but they've got 16 years of training. :rolleyes:

[Bob]

The word GOD and GOP each only differ in one letter. D and P.
And we all know what DP stands for now, don't we?
And that is exactly what the GOP has planned for the United States of America if we do not stop them.

The link between religious extremism and terrorism has never been more obvious.
Kaiser's right, We need to stand up now.

my bad, you're here as "being a dick" rob, not "i'm just here to discuss the issues, why are you all being a dick to me?" rob. one of these days i'll learn to tell the difference

[kaiser soze]

It looks like Federal Charges are in -I don't understand the Weapons of Mass Destruction charge but I agree with the rest. Major Props to our law enforcement for taking care of some seriously unstable and dangerous people. (y)

http://www.annarbor.com/news/9-hutaree-members-face-federal-charges-of-conspiracy-attempting-to-use-weapons-of-mass-destruction/

Nine members of Hutaree - described by authorities as an anti-government extremist organization - have been indicted on federal charges of attempting to use weapons of mass destruction.

At least one member of the group lives in Washtenaw County, and the indictment charges that group members trained in Lenawee County as they "conspired to levy war against the United States."

Since at least 2008, members have been meeting regularly and conducting military-style training in Lenawee County to prepare for "war with their enemy," the indictment says. The documents describe enemies as state and local law enforcement officers who are deemed “foot soldiers of the federal government,” as well as federal law enforcement officers and anyone who does not share their beliefs.

Meet the real AmeriTaliban

[kaiser soze]

GUNS and then GOD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IC4VAQfby4&feature=player_embedded#)

hat on too tight?

[yeahwho]

Hey, I'm just trying to show an appropiate level of concern for militias.
Apparently kaiser is annoyed that I'm not behaving like an alarmist.

My opinion is that these people join militias or the Tea Party for the same reason kids with self-esteem issues join gangs.
It makes them feel powerful to be accepted and to be paid attention to by society.

Sorry if I don't get very concerned with people like that.

Here is a chart (http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2010/03/27/opinion/27blowimg.html) of the growth of hate groups, patriot groups and native extremists for the past decade. Just a chart I have no dog in this race other than it does get expensive for taxpayers when we have to have and follow up investigations/court costs for the anti-tax nutjobs.

[RobMoney$]

GUNS and then GOD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IC4VAQfby4&feature=player_embedded#)

hat on too tight?


"You stole our jobs and took our pensions"

No, it's got nothing to do with the economy.
Somebody find a cattle ranch for this guy to work and we can all move on.

[RobMoney$]

as for militias, I think it's naive to think that they just sprang up because of the economy.


I never made the statement that these organizations were springing up or starting because of the economy.
Unemployment is definitely helping these extremist organizations enrollment though.

Echewta's right, organizations like this have always been around.
Be it the KKK, the Black Panthers, the Tea Party, ect.
Organizations who oppose the status quo and want to see it overturned to various degrees have existed for a long time.

[yeahwho]

I never made the statement that these organizations were springing up or starting because of the economy.
Unemployment is definitely helping these extremist organizations enrollment though.

Echewta's right, organizations like this have always been around.
Be it the KKK, the Black Panthers, the Tea Party, ect.
Organizations who oppose the status quo and want to see it overturned to various degrees have existed for a long time.



And according to the chart provided by the Southern Poverty Law center (http://www.splcenter.org/) these groups have more than doubled in the past ten years.

[RobMoney$]

And according to this chart provided by The Bureau of Labor Statistics (http://www.bls.gov/cps/prev_yrs.htm), so has the Unemployment rate.

Coincidence?


All I know is, come the rapture I'm treating pretty much anybody spewing scripture and bullets about the same as I would zombies.
My zombie survival plan (ZSP) readily adopts to deal with militias from the right, or the left for that matter.

[yeahwho]

So mainly Republicans who refuse to co-operate and have openly stated obstructionist politics have decided that would be a great way to get jobs rolling?

That has nothing to do with fueling anger, the republican party openly refusing to participate in our current government?

[kaiser soze]

Somebody find a cattle ranch for this guy to work and we can all move on.

the fuckin' vegans took em all!

dey turk ur jurbs!