drill baby, drill

[Dorothy Wood]

Obama lifts bans on offshore drilling

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_DRILLING?SITE=ALOPE&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

[RobMoney$]

About time he's starting to see things McCain's way.
And it's not even 2012 yet.

[Echewta]

Looking forward to his plan on coal. I'm giddy.

[kaiser soze]

What I love about this -

1) It will be 5 years or more for exploration, development, drilling
2) The U.S. will foot the cost
3) The oil will not lower gas prices
4) The oil will be sold to the highest foreign bidder

[yeahwho]

Little political loss, huge political gain, I'm completely against this move, it's the political payoff coming full circle before the fall elections,

he took care of the insurance companies via forced insurance,
he took care of the military industrial complex by escalating a war,
he took care of the banks with billions in low interest loans
and now, he's covered bases with the oil companies with increased drilling!

It's enough to send the republicans into complete conniption mode. I recommend legalizing the weed soon so the liberal democrats can forget about all of this before 2012.

[RobMoney$]

What I love about this -

1) It will be 5 years or more for exploration, development, drilling
2) The U.S. will foot the cost
3) The oil will not lower gas prices
4) The oil will be sold to the highest foreign bidder


1. So what. The mere speculation that we are going to be drilling for oil will drive prices down.

2. Why would the US foot the bill? Unlike Saudi Arabia where the Government controls the oil, in the US it's controlled by oil companies ie. Exxon.

3. Of couse it will lower prices. Why wouldn't it? Simple supply and demand logic tells you it will lower the price.

4. Again, so what? If there is a market that will pay a higher price for that oil (such as China & India) than the US, why shouldn't it be sold there.
At the end of the day it benefits our economy anyway.

[kaiser soze]

yeah Exxon is helping our economy :rolleyes:

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/04/06/exxon-tax/

No wonder that of $15 billion in income taxes last year, Exxon paid none of it to Uncle Sam, and has tens of billions in earnings permanently reinvested overseas.

and oil subsidies never existed? So who's footing these bills?

http://news.mongabay.com/2009/0921-hance_subsidies.html

p.s.

gas prices (http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_home_page.html) are on the rise - I guess pure speculation helps eh?

I can't believe you think these powerful oil corporations feel they have any allegiance to our country, government, citizens, and environment.

Spill Baby Spill! (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100405/ap_on_sc/as_australia_coal_carrier)

[RobMoney$]

yeah Exxon is helping our economy :rolleyes:

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/04/06/exxon-tax/

Sorry to inform you, but "benefitting the economy" is not paying more taxes to the government.
Although I can understand how an uber-liberal/socialist such as yourself would look at the world that way.



and oil subsidies never existed? So who's footing these bills?

http://news.mongabay.com/2009/0921-hance_subsidies.html

During the fiscal years of 2002-2008 the United States handed out subsidies to fossil fuel industries to a tune of 72 billion dollars, while renewable energy subsidies, during the same period, reached 29 billion dollars

So I suppose you're shocked that "oil" recieved more than double the subsidies than "clean" fuels?
Interesting. I wonder why? It's not as if this clearly in-depth piece of journalism attempts to offer an answer to that question at all.
Perhaps it's because "clean" or renewable energy isn't close to producing the amount we need as a country yet?
I have no idea if that's true, it's just my guess.
I do know that renewable energy is still considered in it's infancy and is far from being perfected enough to actually produce even 50% of our nations energy.
I mean it's not like we're going to be driving around in hydrogen fuel cell cars anytime soon.

p.s.

gas prices (http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_home_page.html) are on the rise - I guess pure speculation helps eh?

Please, why don't you explain to us all exactly why YOU think prices are on the rise?
I'd like to hear your honest response to this, not 4 links from liberally slanted websites.

I can't believe you think these powerful oil corporations feel they have any allegiance to our country, government, citizens, and environment.

Link to where I inferred anything of the sort.


Spill Baby Spill! (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100405/ap_on_sc/as_australia_coal_carrier)


Did you actually read this story?
1. It's a Chinese ship, not a tanker owned by an American Oil Company.
2. It's not even an Oil Tanker. It's just a ship run aground leaking it's own fuel. It could have been a ship carrying anything. It's contents are meaningless to the leak of it's own fuel.

Christ you're desperate.

[kaiser soze]

yes I know it's a Chinese ship, but it proves that nothing (including the great barrier reef) is safe from the spoils of oil - regardless if it's a tanker or just another ship - oil leaks from platforms, we will see oil coming onto our shores

I guess you didn't see the doe or the .gov at the end of the gas price link - liberal whatever dude.

uh, I'm sure many will tell you prices are on the rise, just this week I've seen a 10 cent rise. If you're not paying attention then I guess you ride a bike, maybe a unicycle.

when prices rose to through the roof a couple years ago speculation was to blame, speculation rarely lowers prices.

It's not the fact that taxes is what helps the economy, it does help pay back the subsidies a corporation who is already posting ASTRONOMICAL profits could help pay back. But we all know you're a corporate whore so what's it matter to ya.

[RobMoney$]

yes I know it's a Chinese ship, but it proves that nothing (including the great barrier reef) is safe from the spoils of oil - regardless if it's a tanker or just another ship - oil leaks from platforms, we will see oil coming onto our shores

So what point are you trying to make then?
Should we abandon all cargo ship transportation because there is a possibility of a fuel leak?

I guess you didn't see the doe or the .gov at the end of the gas price link - liberal whatever dude.

You're right. That link isn't slanted. 1 link out of 4 is even enough

uh, I'm sure many will tell you prices are on the rise, just this week I've seen a 10 cent rise. If you're not paying attention then I guess you ride a bike, maybe a unicycle.

I'm fully aware that gas prices are rising. I didn't need your link to tell that either.
To be honest I just fill my tank at the same place everytime because I know they have the cheapest price on my daily route at all times.
I rarely look at the exact price tho.
I just asked your opinion on why you think they are rising.

when prices rose to through the roof a couple years ago speculation was to blame, speculation rarely lowers prices.

No, Hurricane Katrina knocking out oil refineries was to blame.
I'm not saying it was true, but that was what was blamed for the rise in prices.
Also, some blamed Bush for the rise too.
And now that there is no natural disaster or Bush to blame, I ask you again why YOU believe prices are on the rise?
No spin required, an honest question. Why are prices on the rise?

It's not the fact that taxes is what helps the economy, it does help pay back the subsidies a corporation who is already posting ASTRONOMICAL profits could help pay back. But we all know you're a corporate whore so what's it matter to ya.

Imagine for a moment, what our country would be like without those big, evil oil companies.
How many people they employ who do pay taxes.
What would happen to our economy if suddenly we didn't have access to oil/energy.
We'd be living in a real life "Bartertown" with Mad Max and MasterBlaster, refining pig shit for methane gas, settling disputes in the Thunderdome.

[b i o n i c]

We'd be living in a real life "Bartertown" with Mad Max and MasterBlaster, refining pig shit for methane gas, settling disputes in the Thunderdome.

haha (y)

[kaiser soze]

So what point are you trying to make then?
Should we abandon all cargo ship transportation because there is a possibility of a fuel leak?[quote]

my point is that safety standards are still poor - and I read somewhere the Chinese ship was carrying oil and coal.

[quote]
I'm fully aware that gas prices are rising. I didn't need your link to tell that either.

sorry about that, you made the impression that prices were not on the rise - now wouldn't pure speculation on the news of drill baby drill lower prices - I'm sure it's the warm weather rush for bucks by the oil companies as usual.

No, Hurricane Katrina knocking out oil refineries was to blame.

So let's put MORE oil refineries in the way of more hurricanes!


Imagine for a moment, what our country would be like without those big, evil oil companies.
How many people they employ who do pay taxes.

Well I don't see you bitching about the thousands of jobs being outsourced in other fields, what will happen to jobs when these big, evil oil companies no longer have oil?

I understand that oil is so deeply embedded in all the world's societies, so much it has a strangle hold on developments in alternatives. But for once do we have to be slaves to them once again? It has been proven time and time again that we can do with a little less oil. It is not just their world.

[RobMoney$]

yeah Exxon is helping our economy :rolleyes:

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/04/06/exxon-tax/

Exxon/Mobil paid no Federal Income Tax in 2009



Guess what Chief, neither did 47% of the country...




http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Nearly-half-of-US-households-apf-1105567323.html?x=0&.v=1

Nearly half of US households escape fed income tax

Recession, new tax credits have nearly half of US households paying no federal income tax




Also, are you going to just ignore the question all together?

[kaiser soze]

Exxon is a household now?

[kaiser soze]

Guess what Chief, neither did 47% of the country...
Also, are you going to just ignore the question all together?

I answered your question, read my posts - Chief

[kaiser soze]

New Oil Spill in Louisiana

As if Oil Corporations (and other fossil fuel corporations) care about taking care of the environment and safety standards - there's profits to be made!

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/apr2010/2010-04-07-093.html

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana, April 7, 2010 (ENS) - An 18,000 gallon spill of crude oil from a pipeline into the Delta National Wildlife Refuge has personnel from the U.S. Coast Guard, the state of Louisiana, and the Cypress Pipe Line Company scrambling to contain the spreading mess.

An area of about 160 square miles has been affected by the spill - 16 square miles of wetlands in the 76 square-mile Delta National Wildlife Refuge and 120 square miles offshore in the Gulf of Mexico.

160 SQUARE MILES!

Awesome to see people support setting up more failure! 1 oil spill will fuck up the economy for coastal workers as well....what about their jobs? Not to mention the destruction of wildlife.



"Louisiana has been devastated by the oil industry," said Anne Rolfes, founding director of the Louisiana Bucket Brigade, an environmental health and justice organization. "Our health and our environment have been ravaged by accidents and carelessness. Instead of raking in the profits it is time to start honestly reckoning with the problems."

but you know....if you don't live there, why care?

[kaiser soze]

US military foresees oil shortage -NO SHIT! You're burning it off so quickly!!

Endless wars for oil......just imagine how much oil there would be without war.

News like this will be welcomed by the speculators - prices actually dipped just a bit what this news will help get it back on the rise!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/apr/11/peak-oil-production-supply

The US military has warned that surplus oil production capacity could disappear within two years and there could be serious shortages by 2015 with a significant economic and political impact.

The energy crisis outlined in a Joint Operating Environment report from the US Joint Forces Command, comes as the price of petrol in Britain reaches record levels and the cost of crude is predicted to soon top $100 a barrel.

[kaiser soze]

Oil Rig Explosion off Louisiana coast - 11 missing, 17 injured

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100422/ap_on_bi_ge/us_louisiana_oil_rig_explosion

NEW ORLEANS – The Coast Guard by sea and air planned to search overnight for 11 workers missing since a thunderous explosion rocked an oil drilling platform that continued to burn late Wednesday, more than a day since it sent a fireball into the night sky. Seventeen people were injured, four critically.

Nearly 100 other workers made it aboard a supply boat and were expected to reach shore by late evening. The blast Tuesday night aboard the Deepwater Horizon rig 50 miles off the Louisiana coast could prove to be one of the nation's deadliest offshore drilling accidents of the past half-century.

(n):(

[kaiser soze]

The oil rig has now sunk - 11 still missing - Rig leaking 8,000 barrels a day,

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/04/22/oil.rig.explosion/index.html?hpt=T1

Crude oil was leaking from the rig at the rate of about 8,000 barrels per day, Coast Guard Petty Officer Ashley Butler said. The Coast Guard also is preparing for possible leaks of up to 700,000 gallons of diesel fuel but can do little to protect the environment until the fire is out, Butler said.

[Echewta]

Accidents happen, come on people. What about the tragic solar panel array mishap of 2003?

[yeahwho]

and what about the runaway windmill that decapitated half of Omaha in 2006?

People?

[kaiser soze]

travesty asked for it so here it is

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/26/big-oil-fought-off-new-sa_n_552575.html

Deepwater Horizon, the giant technically-advanced rig which exploded on April 20 and sank two days later, is leaking an estimated 42,000 gallons per day through a pipe about 5,000 feet below the surface. The spill has spread across 1,800 square miles -- an area larger than Rhode Island -- according to satellite images, oozing its way toward the Louisiana coast and posing a threat to wildlife, including a sperm whale spotted in the oil sheen.

Lighting oil spill on fire to clean it up? What about the air? Light that on fire to clean it up as well?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/28/AR2010042800368.html?hpid=topnews

The U.S. Coast Guard and BP set fire to a portion of the crude oil floating in the Gulf of Mexico on Wednesday in a bid to limit the impact of a widening slick, which federal officials said could touch shore in parts of the Louisiana delta as early as Friday evening.

photos of spill

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Oil-rig-explodes-off-Louisiana-coast/ss/events/us/042110oilrigexplode#photoViewer=/100429/photos_ts_afp/c5a8f2ea0dee124ae97387a33e7c3da0

TYT on the spill, ends it nicely

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNjqmXHjYmc&feature=player_embedded

unbelievable, and people will still support off shore drilling....

[Echewta]

Its not in my backyard *shrug*

[kaiser soze]

Halliburton cut from FBR and also cited in class-action lawsuit related to Gulf Spill - surprise!

Halliburton now headquartered in Dubai to dodge U.S. taxes contributed to this mess - This is what is to come, international companies will set up rigs, do a poor job, create an environmental mess on OUR shores and more than likely dodge bullets (Valdez anyone?) legally. Our taxes will subsidize gov't clean up projects for private sector failings. Let us not forget all the livelihoods that will be adversely affected from this and possibly future accidents.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSSGE63T0F920100430

Following the incident, a class-action lawsuit was filed against oil giant BP, Transocean, owner of the Deepwater Horizon drilling platform, and Halliburton, which according to the suit, was engaging in cementing operations of the well and well cap. [ID:nN29178997]

[Sir SkratchaLot]

The thing I find concerning is that a lot of people will complain about the government in these situations but look the other way when it comes to the corporations. I don't see any real call for accountability with corporations.

Where are the people complaining about getting gouged by the private sector?

[yeahwho]

Those corporations are looking at us "the customer" to do the heavy lifting.

Our Gulf Coast "conservative" Republican Governors and all their small government supporters are again going to get a civics lesson on the value of having a competent federal government. They will be lining up for help from their daily target, President Obama and his administration, and pleading for other tax payers from across the country to once again come to their aid. And we will do it because we are a generous, civilized society that rallies to each other. Calling Sarah Palin or Liz Cheney or Glenn Beck or Fox will do you absolutely no good.

Call the Tea Party and see how much help they can provide.

Hatred and "Drill Baby Drill" will not mop up a single drop of oil or protect a single beach or fish.

[kaiser soze]

Fishermen Sign On to Clean Up Oil

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/01/us/01marsh.html?hp

VENICE, La. — About 1,000 angry and frustrated fishermen packed an elementary school gymnasium here Friday afternoon. In a cruel occupational twist, they were seeking employment with the company they blame for an oil spill that may wipe out their industry this year and beyond.

amazing and disheartening at the same time

[Sir SkratchaLot]

Those corporations are looking at us "the customer" to do the heavy lifting.

Our Gulf Coast "conservative" Republican Governors and all their small government supporters are again going to get a civics lesson on the value of having a competent federal government. They will be lining up for help from their daily target, President Obama and his administration, and pleading for other tax payers from across the country to once again come to their aid. And we will do it because we are a generous, civilized society that rallies to each other. Calling Sarah Palin or Liz Cheney or Glenn Beck or Fox will do you absolutely no good.

Call the Tea Party and see how much help they can provide.

Hatred and "Drill Baby Drill" will not mop up a single drop of oil or protect a single beach or fish.

Its just too bad the right won't let the feds be proactive. We waste so much money on cleaning shit up, and no one can complain about because it would be political suicide, but when it comes to being proactive, since there's no disaster fallout to grease the wheels, nothing gets done. If we were to try to regulate these things to prevent disaster they'd cry it was socialism. It's only until after the shit hits the fan and everything is in the toilet that they'll gladly have the federal government come in and clean up the mess.

[yeahwho]

What a nightmare, this is an incredible indictment of what can go wrong and will go wrong. This has been one of the toughest years for US workers I can remember in the energy sector. Up here in Washington there was a refinery explosion last month that killed 7, add the 29 workers from West Virginia coal mines and now this, an ecological disaster beyond anyone's scope.

Could it have been prevented? Brazil and Norway require a special valve (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704423504575212031417936798.html) to prevent these sort of blowouts on all of their offshore rigs... In 2002 and 2003 when legistlation was proposed to make installation of these vavles a a legal requirement for offshore oil rigs here in the United States the proposal got defeated in Congress. No doubt the result of the oil lobby had a key role in this. Having oil industry allies like George W. Bush and Dick Cheney didn't hurt either. We now bear the consequences of not having these safeguards.

With oil gushing into the Gulf of Mexico unabated and officials giving no indication that the flow can be contained soon, towns along the Gulf Coast braced Saturday for what is increasingly understood to be an imminent environmental disaster. (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/us/02spill.html?hp)

[kaiser soze]

just imagine

The billions that will be wasted on cleaning this up could have been invested in clean energy....or at least modern, safer, and cleaner oil extraction methods.

people only think in the now....too bad when the shit hits the fan it lingers.

BP, Transocean, and Haliburton have oil and blood on their hands.

[kaiser soze]

It looks like the Gulf economy will be taking a MASSIVE hit rather than benefiting from this, Mississippi shipping will be limited as well - Looks like someone here was dead wrong.

Some estimates have the spill growing triple the size in 3 days - currents could take it to the Atlantic and bring it back to the U.S. East Coast.

So, could someone please explain why off-shore drilling is a good idea again?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/03/oil-spill-tripled-in-size_n_560883.html

The situation could become even more grave if the oil gets into the Gulf Stream and flows to the beaches of Florida - and potentially whips around the state's southern tip and up the Eastern Seaboard. Tourist-magnet beaches and countless wildlife could be ruined.

very little to say from the "drill baby drill" supporters.

[yeahwho]

very little to say from the "drill baby drill" supporters.

Scrutiny needs to take place at political, corporate, industrial and environmental levels of all degrees. When a whole party chants "Drill, Baby, Drill" in unison to Sarah Palin it's time to take off the rose colored shades and realize we're uncorking disaster.

Think, Baby, Think.

NYTimes Ed/Op piece; Drilling, Disaster, Denial (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/03/opinion/03krugman.html)

For the most part, anti-environmentalists have been silent about the catastrophe. True, Mr. Limbaugh — arguably the Republican Party’s de facto leader — promptly suggested that environmentalists might have blown up the rig to head off further offshore drilling. But that remark probably reflected desperation: Mr. Limbaugh knows that his narrative has just taken a big hit.

[Sir SkratchaLot]

I think I speak for all of the drill baby drill tea-party people when I say

"It wasn't BP's fault, they were just trying to make freedom free. It's the federal government that's to blame!!!! I think Obama probably sabataged the oil rig with his Obamacarebearstare! Errrrrrrr! :mad: I'm so mad about these taxes I'm certifiably insane!"

[kaiser soze]

I wonder if the "drill baby drill" people will vacation off the beaches that will be wondrously improved by this.

I hope they enjoy the beauty of the lovely shit colored and stinky ass sludge water - it is quite an experience to behold and remember.

The environment will take the brunt of this, but keep in mind the human suffering as well.

It'd be nice if mccain and palin were taken out into the middle of this and left in a dingy.

[yeahwho]

Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Terminator!

Schwarzenegger reverses course on off-shore drilling (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/california-politics/2010/05/schwarzenegger-reverses-course-on-off-shore-drilling.html) LATimes

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, citing the damage caused to the environment by the massive oil spill in the Gulf Coast, said Monday he is yanking from his state budget plan proposed new drilling off the coast of Santa Barbara.

[kaiser soze]

Good for him, I hope he keeps to it. Looks like other blokes are also changing their tune including Jindals perspective on the importance of federal government.

Too bad many don't realize at this time that:

1) This is not an oil spill but rather a spew - it is still flowing and flowing

2) Beyond the oil that makes it to the surface millions will emulsify with the water under great pressure.

Using skimmers, controlled burns and chemical dispersants may take care of what can be seen, there is a fucking mess mixing around underneath.

The Gulf of Mexico as we have known it is done. :(

http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilderness-resources/stories/gulf-oil-spill-is-recipe-for-disaster

Experts in oil spills have drills every few years to practice their response for spills of "national significance." One of those practice runs took place just last month in Maine. The Gulf of Mexico leak is a "combination of all the bad things happening" and makes it far worse than any disaster imagined in the drills, said Nancy Kinner, director of the Coastal Response Research Center at the University of New Hampshire.

"This is relentless," Kinner said.

[b i o n i c]

this is a gigantic nightmare... beyond sad

[kaiser soze]

This is the real proof as to why off shore drilling may very well be a bad idea

I liken it to using a drug - it will make you feel good right now but more than likely do some serious damage in the long wrong. There are safer alternatives to heroin and there are safer alternatives to petrol chemicals, oil and off shore drilling.

The proponents of off shore drilling are shamefully quiet right now - proving that they never intended on considering the consequences.

People who were and still are against off shore drilling are not anti-oil or jobs or whatever the right would try to counter with.

We are pro-preservation, pro-healthy waters, pro-safety, pro-beauty of nature, pro-keeping what is left of our country free from pollution and destruction.

People never realize that fucking up our environment fucks up our existence as well. They should try living on a barren polluted island for a week and see how well they fair.

Check out BP's "Containment Dome" - What does it look like?

scrap

This containment dome should have been designed, built and tested by now

http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2010/05/04/bp_completes_first_of_three_containment_domes/?comments=all#readerComm

[kaiser soze]

Shell reports 14,000 tons lost/spilled in Nigeria

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100504/ap_on_bi_ge/af_nigeria_oil_unrest

LAGOS, Nigeria – Royal Dutch Shell PLC says attacks and vandalism at its pipelines caused the company to lose nearly 14,000 tons of crude oil in Nigeria's troubled Niger Delta last year.
The company says that's a significant increase over last year in the amount of oil spilled in the delta, a maze of sensitive creeks and swamplands. The oil giant blamed the majority of the spills on two incidents, one where thieves damaged a wellhead at its Odidi field and another where a bomb planted by militants exploded at the Trans Escravos pipeline.

Shell and the Nigerian government are just as guilty for this mess.

[kaiser soze]

Oil refinery explosion in Texas

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6991123.html

SAN ANTONIO — Firefighters are trying to control a two-alarm blaze raging at a fuel refinery on the city’s south side where a tanker truck exploded at a loading dock, injuring at least two workers and forcing widespread evacuations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm3-rA9Hl9k&feature=player_embedded

Look at the clean energy burn!

Enough with windfall profits and start investing in modern, safer technology!

[b i o n i c]

its interesting that youre the only one posting in this thread :confused:

[kaiser soze]

Not anymore! ;)

How about this for being prepared for an accident like this:

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/05/06

Feds Let BP Avoid Filing Blowout Plan for Gulf Rig

NEW ORLEANS - Petrochemical giant BP didn't file a plan to specifically handle a major oil spill from an uncontrolled blowout at its Deepwater Horizon project because the federal agency that regulates offshore rigs changed its rules two years ago to exempt certain projects in the central Gulf region, according to an Associated Press review of official records.

The Minerals Management Service, an arm of the Interior Department known for its cozy relationship with major oil companies, says it issued the rule relief because some of the industrywide mandates weren't practical for all of the exploratory and production projects operating in the Gulf region.

The blowout rule, the fact that it was lifted in April 2008 for rigs that didn't fit at least one of five conditions, and confusion about whether the BP Deepwater Horizon project was covered by the regulation, caught the attention of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar.

But yet BP is racing against time to stop the leaking - Why do these companies keep posting record profits but still approach their business with little concern for safety and regard for the environment?

The response to the fire was also poorly handled - it is a rule in rigging that you never sink the platform (which they did by inundating the rig with water) - the fire was actually burning off leaking oil - when the rig sank it broke the riser creating this lovely fucking mess.

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/58817/title/BP_oil_rig%E2%80%99s_sinking_and_gushing_crude_rai se_questions

“At least while the rig was burning, all of the effluent from the well was coming to the surface and burning at the surface,” Miller notes. Indeed, burning oil — even on the sea surface — is an accepted spill-mitigation technique. So he’s puzzled why water boats were deployed to dowse the burning platform.

A mile down and out of sight
“What they did was fill the rig up with water. At which point it sunk,” Miller says — a full 5,000 feet to the seabed. And that, he maintains, violated “the first rule in offshore fire-fighting, which is not to sink the ship.” The reason: As soon as the rig submerged, it took down the riser pipe, which in this case was a 5,000-foot-long tethered straw through which the oil was gushing up from

And the "drill baby drill" supporters are still silent.

[Sir SkratchaLot]

its interesting that youre the only one posting in this thread :confused:

That's because all of the people who were talking shit before shut the fuck up once the oil spill happened. It doesn't mean nobody's reading it.

[kaiser soze]

Here's what I get from this scenario:

1) Off shore drilling is not exempt from accidents
2) Off shore drilling accidents can bring potential or exceptional disaster
3) Drilling companies DO avoid costs by skipping certain safety standards
4) Those costs are then translated as loss for other economies affected by the accident - also at the gas pump
5) To start drilling off of every coast would increase the chances of spoiling the environment, the livelihoods, and health of those living on the coast
6) With how poorly this accident has been handled (sinking the rig, the lack of an emergency plan, conflicting information and data) just proves that Oil Companies really don't give a shit.

[b i o n i c]

That's because all of the people who were talking shit before shut the fuck up once the oil spill happened. It doesn't mean nobody's reading it.

where did the love go?

[Sir SkratchaLot]

where did the love go?

Wait, are you hitting on me?

[kaiser soze]

Hay is not just for horses

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5SxX2EntEo&feature=player_embedded#!

This might work - not sure about the scale though

definitely simple and awesome.

How about a cleaning up a hairy situation with hair?

http://www.trendhunter.com/trends/matter-of-trust-gulf-oil-spill

who said hippies don't have the best answers (y)

[kaiser soze]

BP gets containment box to site of gusher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHENCA38pHk&feature=player_embedded#!

At this rate, BP will get it to the bottom by the end of the month!

at least it's something, time to get some hay and hair out there as well

[kaiser soze]

Here are some pictures of the spill - I have yet to see any like this in the US press - in fact I am convinced there is a 3/4 media black out on this disaster.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/gallery/2010/may/06/deepwater-horizon-oil-spill-oil-spills?picture=362271866

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/gallery/2010/may/05/deepwater-horizon-oil-spill-louisiana?picture=362222475

[yeahwho]

The initial fix of a giant metal box (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8670501.stm) is not going off as good as BP wanted it to. As if this is any surprise, the press reports this as if it is an heroic act. What sort of heroism is not having the proper safeguards in place begin with?

Also the press keeps reporting this as a spill, it isn't a spill, it is a gushing well. The proportions of damage cannot be minimized by the lie of calling this a spill. The reality is very different than the continued sideshow being presented.

BP, one of the most profitable corporations in recorded history (http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/energy/bp-profit-jumps-higher-crude/) just took our money and crapped all over our Country. They lobbied to loosen regulations and bend the rules to a point that none of the research and regulations respectable humans would consider applied to them.

Just fuck, the damage will probably destroy BP, so what we are still stuck with the outcome of negligence and arrogance of complete asshole politics and business.

[kaiser soze]

yeah i was gonna post this but felt I was posting too much in this forum

I read there were ice crystals and buoyancy issues - it was in vain and I said before, this kind of accident should have ALREADY been prepared for.

yup not a spill - but continuous gusher doesn't sound as soft eh? 210,000 gallons a day or so I believe, regardless it is on course to surpass the Valdez spill.

If our oil giants are so desperate to get oil off shore in deep waters and maybe it is a sign of peek oil or desperate measures then why the fuck aren't they working on researching,developing, and implementing alternatives (not just air, water, solar - but bio-fuels)

Instead of placing oil rigs, why not wave energy collection rigs with solar arrays and windmills on them? That would look really cool and if an accident occurs it wouldn't spoil thousands of miles of cost and kill millions of sea life.

Putting up a couple more rigs and having a couple accidents on the east and west coast would spell disaster for their coastal ecosystems and economies. Should these coastal lives be held hostage by big oil?

It's a shame, it's contempt, it's purely reckless.

[kaiser soze]

google earth oil spill

http://paulrademacher.com/oilspill/

I don't think this includes the sheen and globs

[kaiser soze]

nuke the gusher? I actually brought this up with my girlfriend days ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ojCbqfRRr8&NR=1

what options do we have?

[RobMoney$]

nuke the gusher? I actually brought this up with my girlfriend days ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ojCbqfRRr8&NR=1

what options do we have?

Do you think they could convince Harry Stamper to do the job though?



I don't really see the problem here, water fowl seem to be quite absorbant.

[kaiser soze]

Oil well experienced gas surge weeks before explosion

http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/gas_surge_shut_well_just_weeks.html

Powerful puffs of natural gas, called kicks, are a normal occurrence in many deep-ocean drilling operations.

But one intense kick of natural gas caused the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig to be shut down because of the fear of an explosion just weeks before a similar release succeeded in destroying and sinking the platform and sent millions of gallons of oil on a collision course with Louisiana and the rest of the northern coast of the Gulf of Mexico.

So a mine and an oil well blow after warnings - who the hell is running these joints?

[kaiser soze]

Amateur video of the oil slick - many need to keep it mind that what is on the surface traveled close to a mile from the gulf floor - how much is floating in between the surface and the ocean floor?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=did-S6XbpMM

This mess will be with this country for ages. drill baby drill

[mikizee]

This is not cool -

Obama admin's approved 27 new offshore oil ops AFTER Gulf spill. 26 were exempted from enviro review

http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2010/post-disaster-permits-05-07-2010.html

[travesty]

So I guess we are all in agreement that is far, far safer to drill on land tha off-shore? Does this make the case for drilling in ANWR even stronger? Just asking. Because if the sectors of oil production most prone to huge environmental catastrophes are shipping and off-shore drilling then maybe on-shore is the way to go until we can ween ourselves off this shit, right? I mean given the environmental damage this spill is causing I would gladly trade this scenario in favor of a couple thousand "displaced" carribou.

[kaiser soze]

Why don't we review the safety standards and track record of the oil industry before we give them another environment to fuck up. Alaska is not impervious to oil industry idiocy and destruction-

Just in Dec 2009 a massive oil leak was found - why was it not big news, your guess is as good as mine - Not even a word out of Palin who acts like she is God's gift of all things Alaska and Oil.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2009/12/09/Alaska-oil-pipeline-leak-located/UPI-93611260400258/

ANCHORAGE, Alaska, Dec. 9 (UPI) -- Officials say they have found the source of what is believed to be one of the biggest ever leaks of crude oil from the pipeline on the North Slope of Alaska.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0311-03.htm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11696601/

https://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=30206




Sounds like the The "Drill Baby Drill" battle cry has become "Next!"

Here's supposed video of the gusher - times 24/7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYFYVNvgg-A&feature=player_embedded#!

[kaiser soze]

Damning proof that deregulation has wrought this disaster?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77pBcf0o444&feature=player_embedded#!

oh look....Cheney's name coming up

[travesty]

Very interesting article about sinking the rig. Seems like most of this could have been, if not avoided, at least much more contained had people not rushed to put out a fire on an already destroyed, yet still floating drilling platform. I'd like to hear more about that decision, if one was actually made.

[kaiser soze]

I guess that is the number 1 rule in oil rigging - don't sink it (inundate it with extinguishing water), seems logical. That's a mile long pipe underneath, it's not going to hold up well to a collapse.

This is a big mess and everyone on both sides of the court are responsible

[travesty]

Seems way too logical. That's why I wonder if someone made the call to sink it on purpose or at least not fully understand the ramifications of the scenario. Maybe thinking the blowout preventer would shut off the flow? Are there other things (supposedly) in place to cease the flow in an event like the rig going down? Were they more concerned with the immediate threat that there may still be survivors on board? I dunno but it's a very interesting note that seems to be getting little play by the media. I gotta give the benefit of the doubt to the Gulf maritime firefighters. I'm sure they have been training for big oil rig fires for a long, long time. That's a big part of their world down there but answers are definitely needed.

[kaiser soze]

Looks like this lizard needs to take a swim in his fucking mess - and stay there forever. What a contemptuous asshole.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/may/13/bp-boss-admits-mistakes-gulf-oil-spill

Tony Hayward, the beleaguered chief executive of BP, has claimed its oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico is "relatively tiny" compared with the "very big ocean".

yeah, the victims and survivors have become nary a memory already. Barely an interview as well.

[travesty]

Well he's right. But a virus is also relatively tiny compared to a human; but it can still kill one. What a dick. Especially given the circumstances.

[kaiser soze]

Happy to see we agree - our environment is not something to joke about, what harm we bring it, it will bring back 10 fold.

Not everyone can afford hazmat suits for an outing at the playground.

This guy has no idea how much mental anguish this accident has brought, the potential damage it will cause, and the lasting destruction it could leave. We still have no idea how extensive this is, but for this time it is quite massive.

[kaiser soze]

Coast Guard is now BP's bitches?

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6496749n&tag=related;photovideo

I understand Maritime Law Enforcement, but the media ALSO deserves to report their findings.

Now we know who draws the line in the Middle East when it comes to reporting the wars, The Corporations.

this country is coming closer to fucked.

[travesty]

You're a lot more optimistic than me....I think we've been fucked for quite some time now.

[ericg]

how 'bout the gulf article at www.wacla.org?

[kaiser soze]

what about it?

[ericg]

fuck are you the dumbest motherfucker alive?

[ericg]

yes, the answer is yes, you are.

[kaiser soze]

you've inspired me to be more like you

now go cure cancer while renting out EV's to 911 conspiracy theorists

[ericg]

oh it's no theory.. just the facts... won't you join me in world history 101 again to discuss shit, or are you out for the count?

[ericg]

yep. you're out.

[kaiser soze]

ho hum, honestly you have nothing substantial to say considering the frequency you edit your posts

[kaiser soze]

Heavy oil hits shores of Louisiana while BP touts containment efforts

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/05/19/gulf.oil.spill/?hpt=C1

But Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana says the efforts haven't stopped oil from reaching his state's coastline. Thicker, heavier oil than seen in previous days has blanketed some of the state's precious interior wetlands, he said, and he called for the Army Corps of Engineers to approve an emergency permit to dredge sand from barrier islands to create sand booms as another line of defense.

When do we start holding them accountable - ie: seize assets and begin criminal investigations. This will not just poison the environment -human lives will be endangered as well.

[ericg]

ho hum, honestly you have nothing substantial to say considering the frequency you edit your posts

it's all been sed already. where have you been?
talk about being accountable..

[kaiser soze]

here's an idea

take your own advice (y)

where's those tech specs yo?

[ericg]

advice? what advice? you want advice?
think before and after you post.

and the tech specs are on a need to know basis right now.

[kaiser soze]

this coming from the guy who has to edit and re-edit his posts all the fucking time

yes, once again - take your own advice

[ericg]

i just get it right fool, which is far from what i can say for you.
see you did it again. you didn't think before and after you posted. you still have a chance though. i'd edit that shit.:)

once again, i didn't have any advice for you to begin with, so know what you're talking about please.

[kaiser soze]

I'm sorry, but I have to put you on ignore now - I and I'm sure many feel that's the best place you should be

it's not our fault - one day you will understand

I pray for your prospective investors, they won't last long.

[ericg]

that's right, use the ignore button now. weak. i knew you were going to do that.
thank God. i should've suggested it a long time ago to you 2 or 3 morons biting at the bit.
oh and don't sell yourself short.. you're the sorriest motherfucker i've seen all week.

[kaiser soze]

This message is hidden because ericg is on your ignore list.

oh, what an amazing thing to say eric, I'm sure it was mind blowing

we are all enlightened now, god bless your presence

[ericg]

that's more like it.:rolleyes:

[kaiser soze]

This message is hidden because ericg is on your ignore list.

yes that is correct eric, oil is bad news for coastal ecosystems and will hurt a bunch of the pretty birds, bubbly fish, slimy frogs and funny sounding people on the Gulf coast. This oil spill may even enter what's called an ocean current and start to flow up the eastern coast and out into the Atlantic where whales will eat it and fart it out as rainbows which will kill the Death Star.

the end.

It's time for your meds now

[ericg]

what. a. dork.
who's got a bug zapper?

[kaiser soze]

Failin' "Drill Baby Drill" Palin blames Obama's relationship with oil for impeding clean up.

Reporting from Washington

Sarah Palin, the former Republican vice presidential candidate who helped popularize "Drill, baby, drill" as a slogan, suggested Sunday that President Obama's campaign ties to the oil industry were impeding cleanup of the BP spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs responded that Palin should better inform herself about oil politics and policy.

Like she fucking cares - she wanted our coastal waters littered with drilling platforms, lets not forget she's married to a former oil employee.

what could this hypocrite gain from this?

[kaiser soze]

prepare for some anger inducing images

http://photos.nola.com/tpphotos/2010/05/oil_threatens_pelicans_4.html

if those responsible do not pay to the highest power, then we know justice is just an illusion.

[Burnout18]

Hey now, what should be the president's role in the clean up?

[yeahwho]

Obama owns this spewing oil spill. he said he owns and today he went as far as to say the federal government has been on the job since day one of the clean-up effort.

The president expressed frustration both with BP for its handling of the disaster and with the criticism of his own team’s oversight. “But make no mistake, BP is operating at our direction,” (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/28/us/28obama.html?hp) he said. “Every key decision and action they take must be approved by us in advance.”

A lot of the press are calling this his Katrina, but in reality it is closer to his Chernobyl. A 100% man-made disaster.

Brushing off comparisons to his predecessor’s response to Hurricane Katrina in 2005, Mr. Obama said that the government has made “the largest effort of its kind in U.S. history” to address the oil leak, deploying 20,000 people, 1,300 vessels and 3 million feet of boom in the region to contain and clean up the spill.

[Sir SkratchaLot]

Yeah, let's divert accountability away from the corporations who caused the spill and blame the President so that we can support our own political agenda!

It's the government's fault! They should have had more regulation! Wait, I mean, we want LESS regulation. So that, um, err, um, we can have more oil spills? Oh fuck it, who cares, let's get Obama out of office!

[yeahwho]

There is a lot of criticism coming from all angles against President Obama. Much of it deserved since he decided just a few months before this experimental oil rig failed to expand oil drilling here in the US. You sow what you reap, in it for a penny, in it for a pound.

So now all of that talk has been halted on offshore drilling, open to further review and more stringent regulation. "This is an industry that can no longer be left to its own devices." Like banking, coal mining, agribusiness, health insurers, private defense contractors, etc.

These corporations have proven to be uncaring about my fellow Americans well being, this has become more and more apparent as the money trail always skips the part where protecting people should have a priority.

[kaiser soze]

Yeah, let's divert accountability away from the corporations who caused the spill and blame the President so that we can support our own political agenda!

It's the government's fault! They should have had more regulation! Wait, I mean, we want LESS regulation. So that, um, err, um, we can have more oil spills? Oh fuck it, who cares, let's get Obama out of office!

WORD - want less government? then don't blame the government.

Yes this happened on Obama's watch, but what brought it to this? Should we blame Obama for all the priests who molested children for the past few decades because they are getting outed now? It's the same thing. Big oil got a big boost (to abuse) by previous administrations as well. We should see when regulation was thrown out the window and start blame there.

WE must also not forget the other two businesses guilty for this mess, Haliburton and Transocean.

Hate to say it, we haven't even seen the worse of this.

[kaiser soze]

Documents show safety concerns well before rig disaster killing 11 employees and subsequent catastrophic oil spill destroying our environment, killing countless animals, and fucking the livelihoods of 10s of thousands.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/us/30rig.html?hp

WASHINGTON — Internal documents from BP show that there were serious problems and safety concerns with the Deepwater Horizon rig far earlier than those the company described to Congress last week.

Not only should there be criminal investigations NOW to stop the incompetence and pure lack of humanity the heads of BP, Haliburton, and Transocean have - but also once these fucks are convicted of conspiracy, crimes against humanity, eco-terrorism put them away for ever. An example must be made.

The President has sworn an oath to protect the Constitution and the citizens of this country from all enemies domestic and foreign - these fuckers have proven their pure disregard for life thus they are our enemies and should be treated as such.

[kaiser soze]

Unbelievable photos of the oil damage - and this is just the beginning :(

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-oil-spill-html,0,6610369.htmlstory

[kaiser soze]

BP CEO gets to watch his wonderful work in action - (not the clean up I'm talking about)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2U0z2gCnIs

and lying out of his ass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ERRf0gl-Oo&feature=related

fuck him forever - why isn't he taking a refreshing swim in his lovely mess?

This continuous flow of oil will tip the odds against the endangered species in the area. Thank you for possibly contributing to a mass extinction event.

[RobMoney$]

Surely this falls on the House of Bush somehow.

[ericg]

http://www.thenation.com/blog/bp-and-us-government-command-center-guarded-company-afghan-embassy-hazing-scandal

"The whole Gulf Coast is a corporate oil state,"

wait. the house of bush? they were the starter's in this fucked up game of oil and politics. never forget it.

[yeahwho]

Surely this falls on the House of Bush somehow.

I think there is more than enough blame to go around on the whole series of events that led up to the Gulf disaster. I'll start with myself for buying into this bullshit industry. The product being provided is what the community wants. I'm in no denial here that I have bought into this hook, line and sinker.

I have no political pull or profit motive, but I'm down at the pump every week getting my fix.

I know the dealer has insane profits and every fucking politician in his pockets, BP is one of the major purchasers of advertisements in the print media. I known this since I was 12, 13 years old. It's part of the neighborhood.

This is a brutal business, we're all implicated to some degree. If not, then you are the rare exception.

The hope or maverick ideal would be to realize we're getting past due for change to new energy sources and a major reduction on oil usage.

[kaiser soze]

agreed, we are all culpable to a degree with this and many of the messes across the world - but is it our unchecked consumption or their lack of preparedness, that creates these messes?

We can place blame on past and current administrations for this, they know they have a hand in this. But we really need to see where and when this "cutting the corners" type of approach to mining/rigging began and start hunting down the assholes who gave the green light for the industries to go unchecked.

This is quite upsetting considering it could have been prevented on so many levels. Will it even put a fire under the asses of alternative fuels?

[RobMoney$]

Blaming the oil spill on Obama is just as crazy as blaming Katrina on Bush.

Oh,...

[ericg]

www.seizebp.org
sign their petition

[Burnout18]

This is a terrible accident, but a serious reminder why drilling for oil is dangerous not only for those who work doing drilling, but for the surrounding environment. Seriously its time to find an alternative fuel.

[ericg]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VfypUzx1tI

here's some microbes to clean it up.

[kaiser soze]

hmm, what kind of microbes? Just plain ol' microbes? Why is the video old? any new sources for oil eating microbes? Funny when I clicked on microbes.wonderchem.com gave me a virus alert.

Will these microbes consume nutrients in the sea creating oil-free dead zones?

They need to stop the gusher first if anything.

Here are some more painful pictures, click at your own risk :(

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/06/caught_in_the_oil.html

[valvano]

Obama had no problems taking political contributions from BPs employees

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20004240-503544.html

[Sir SkratchaLot]

Obama had no problems taking political contributions from BPs employees

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20004240-503544.html


When the oil spill happened this guy was like "YES! This will get that fucking Obama! Fuck those pellicans! Die bitches! We're going to win back congress!!!!!"

[valvano]

When the oil spill happened this guy was like "YES! This will get that fucking Obama! Fuck those pellicans! Die bitches! We're going to win back congress!!!!!"

^ substitue "Obama" with "Bush", and "oil spill" with "Katrina", "pelicans" with "cajuns", and you have an accurate statement

[kaiser soze]

Oil gusher looks bigger than ever :(

http://www.wkrg.com/gulf_oil_spill/spill_cam/

It is time BP was pushed aside and someone else came in to solve the problem. I believe they're just playing games until the relief well is completed (by end of August). They are done inside and out - criminals should not be allowed to make policy during the disasters they create. They should be in the court room or better yet prison.

Tony Hayward said he would clean up every drop of oil - I hope the fucking piece of shit does it with this tongue.

[travesty]

[QUOTE=yeahwho;1734294]
So now all of that talk has been halted on offshore drilling, open to further review and more stringent regulation. "This is an industry that can no longer be left to its own devices." Like banking, coal mining, agribusiness, health insurers, private defense contractors, etc.
QUOTE]

It seems that the cause of the explosion and subsequent spill was a blatant disregard for regulations and safety standards that were already in place by several of the companies involved. I have trouble understanding how MORE regulations would have prevented this. I'm not saying do nothing but if people are going to skirt the regulations then it doesn't matter what regulations are in place. I think the answer will lay in the consequences imposed. Hopefully enough eveidence will be presented that those responsible will be found guilty of negligence and thus not elgible for the $75M economic damages cap. BP is talking a good game right now about doing the right thing, but we'll see in a year or so when the media has dropped the story and common people who have had their lives destroyed get railroaded by BP's legal juggernaut. It's the media's job to stay on top of this, but we all know they won't. As soon as Britney has another meltdown or Angelina buys another baby, they'll forget the spill ever happened.

As for blaming Obama...I dunno. I don't hear any of the state governors screaming for help so I have to assume they either A) don't need it yet or B) are already getting it. Either way it's not really the Fed's job to step in until asked.

As for "seize BP"- that could be one of the stupidest knee jerk reactions by a bunch of morons that I have ever heard.

[Sir SkratchaLot]

It seems that the cause of the explosion and subsequent spill was a blatant disregard for regulations and safety standards that were already in place by several of the companies involved. I have trouble understanding how MORE regulations would have prevented this. I'm not saying do nothing but if people are going to skirt the regulations then it doesn't matter what regulations are in place. I think the answer will lay in the consequences imposed. Hopefully enough eveidence will be presented that those responsible will be found guilty of negligence and thus not elgible for the $75M economic damages cap.

The problem is multifaceted, but you can follow the money and see why there is a problem.

I tend to agree that the bulk of the problem is the lack of enforcement. What good are laws if you won't enforce them. Why is it large corporations want "small government"? Is it because freedom won't be free without it? No. It's because if government is small then it can't afford to enforce laws which affect the bottom line of the corporations. From a corporate standpoint, there is no incentive to be safe. It costs a lot of money to be safe. So why spend money to be safe when the law is not enforced? ESPECIALLY if, when a huge disater happens, you have your liability capped. Why pay billions to be safe when your max exposure is less than that?

And I might add, there does seem to be a regulation problem when you have a cap on liability. Why should the government protect these large corporations from liability? When you hear oil companies/banks/etc. complaining about overregulation you never hear about them saying "oh, and you might as well remove that liability cap regulation too." Corporations don't give a fuck about overregulation, they care about money. If regulations make them more money, they like those regulations. In fact, they don't even get called "regulations." It's only a "regulation" when it costs the corporation money. Then the corporation gets to stand on it's high horse, talk about "freedom" and "big government is ruining everything with regulations" (you know, all the bullshit that stupid people buy into because they think it's what America stands for) and still take advantage of goverment regulations that MAKE them money.

What it all comes down to is; its not about over-regulation or under-regulation, or big goverment or small goverment; its that you have a system which was set up to benefit corporations because those corporations paid our government to set that system up. Lobbying. If things go according to plan, you'll see no consequence for BP's failure to follow regulations, yet you'll see a $75M cap enforced. And, somehow, nobody will conplain that the $75M cap is "over-regulation".

[Schmeltz]

^Hands-down one of the best and most insightful comments ever posted in this forum. (y)

[kaiser soze]

another photo montage of this fucking disaster - and it's far from over

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2010/05/27/GA2010052705419.html?sid=ST2010061203658

I hope Obama's meeting with the BP execs will end with someone walking away in handcuffs.

[travesty]

I don't think ineptitude is an arrestable offense and negligence is more of a civil offense. However, to me, both are still good enough reasons to handcuff Obama :):)
They sould handcuff him to the keel of one of the Dutch oil skimmers (http://www.examiner.com/x-325-Global-Warming-Examiner~y2010m6d12-US-reconsiders-Dutch-offer-to-supply-oil-skimmers) he didn't think was needed because BP "Is far better equipped to handle this than the Federal government is". (n) Fail.

[Sir SkratchaLot]

I don't think ineptitude is an arrestable offense and negligence is more of a civil offense. However, to me, both are still good enough reasons to handcuff Obama :):)
They sould handcuff him to the keel of one of the Dutch oil skimmers (http://www.examiner.com/x-325-Global-Warming-Examiner~y2010m6d12-US-reconsiders-Dutch-offer-to-supply-oil-skimmers) he didn't think was needed because BP "Is far better equipped to handle this than the Federal government is". (n) Fail.

Yeah, it's the president's fault :rolleyes: and I'm sure it's coincidence that you want to see a black man chained to a dutch ship. Fail (n).

[ericg]

A message from Seize BP about
the Obama administration's new position on BP

The Obama administration has just announced a major shift in its handling of BP and the disaster in the Gulf of Mexico.

For six weeks the Obama administration just said NO to the growing nationwide chorus of public opinion demanding that the government seize BP’s assets in an amount commensurate with the damage caused by their criminal negligence, and that the funds be placed into a trust that could quickly and easily pay for damages and compensation now and into the future as more damages accrue.

Directly on the heels of Seize BP's demonstrations taking place in more than 50 cities -- with more demonstrations occurring every day -- officials from the administration are now announcing a "new" approach to BP: President Obama has given BP an ultimatum to create an escrow fund administered by an independent body for the payment of claims and damages or the White House will invoke its legal authority to create such an escrow account from BP’s assets. He plans to address the country in a nationwide television address Tuesday night and meet with BP executives at the White House on Wednesday.

But what is the reality undergirding the Obama administration's announcement? It may appear that the administration is now close to the demand of seizure of assets for an escrow account unless BP commits to the establishment of such an escrow account on its own accord. There are several key factors:

1.The administration's 55 days of coddling BP has become unsustainable from a political and public relations standpoint. The government has revealed itself as a subservient appendage to corporate interests. Now they are going out of their way to present a different image.
2.In recent days, Florida and Louisiana have both made demands on BP that funds be escrowed as a down payment to cover initial damages, totaling $7.5 billion. BP says that it only has $6.8 billion in cash and cash equivalents available. BP itself is reassuring its investors that the damages in the Gulf that BP will have to pay will not exceed $3 billion to $6 billion. It needs to be understood that it is not a lowball estimate of the scope of the damage but a statement of intent, of just how little BP intends to pay. BP is reported to have called its large U.S. stockholders -- J.P. Morgan Chase controls deposits and services for 30 percent of BP's U.S. stock -- to pressure the administration. The administration’s plan for an escrow account may be seen like a get-tough-against-BP policy but still be designed to further protect BP. The telltale indicator will be the amount of BP assets set aside for the escrow fund.
3.The anger of the people is spreading around the country especially as estimates of the amount of oil gushing into the Gulf are growing exponentially. To be more precise, what is changing is the weakening of the corporate and political cover-up of actual spill volume. Substantial amounts of oil being funneled to the surface by BP from its new cap are not being processed by BP's on-site tanker because it lacks capacity, so the oil is being dumped back into the Gulf. BP says it can't get more tankers to the area until July. The relief well planned for August may not even work then.
4.At the same time, President Obama held what was reported as a "warm and constructive" phone call with the British Prime Minister David Cameron on Saturday in which he recognized that BP "is a multinational company" and reassured Cameron that he did not want to undermine BP's value. Obama had been hoping that BP would suspend its upcoming shareholder dividend (estimated at more than $10 billion annually), but BP has vacillated publicly on whether it intends to do so. The administration is worried that BP might not do enough to placate the public and that the dire necessity of the situation, as evidenced by Louisiana's and Florida's independent demands, will overtake the administration's attempts to appear in control of the problem.

Seize BP’s position on the Obama administration’s New Approach Toward BP’s Assets

While it is clear that the Obama administration has undertaken what appears to be a dramatic shift in its handling of one part of the crisis, there are two central issues that will indicate whether it is just another sham public relations offensive or something that will make a real difference for the suffering people and communities in the Gulf states: (1) The size or amount of the escrow fund taken from BP’s assets (the real costs are likely to be in the tens of billions of dollars) and (2) that the “real people” of the affected communities, and not corporate and banking representatives or Wall Street lawyers, be selected to be the trustees of the fund.

Seize BP, since it inaugurated the demand to create a trust from seized BP assets, has demanded “that a trust established with the funds seized from BP should be administered by the people from the harmed area. The trustees should include representatives of the fishers, shrimpers, crabbers, unions, small business people and workers in the tourism and recreation industry, local elected officials, clergy, and independent scientists and environmentalists."

Seize BP will continue to organize demonstrations, rallies, press conferences and banner drops, collect tens of thousands more petitions, and engage in the kind of mass grassroots organizing that can, as it already has, shift the political climate in a way no politician can fail to ignore.

Spread the word. Tell your friends to sign up at SeizeBP.org.

[travesty]

Gee no one has ever eluded that I am racist because I don't like this president(n) Try again Sir Scratch, cats calls of racism do not offend me.

As for Seize BP.... their net worth (all of their assets) as of today are worth about $91B on paper, far less if it were actually auctioned off. It was about $180B back in april before the spill. Is maybe $50B in proceeds from selling off BP assets going to be enough to cover the cost of this spill? The way it's going...probably not. Not to mention the time, and expense, it will take to do all of that. SO if you seize BP and sell it off and spend the remaining proceeds on clean up ( which has now been delayed because of all of this adminstrative BS) and economic damages.....then what? Then BP is off the hook and the US Taxpayer is on the hook for the rest of cost and we will get to watch the federal government flail about ineptly and waste tons of our money...as usual.

The worst thing that could happen is for BP to declare bankruptcy or get seized but that is probably exactly what the execs want right now. They want out and a seizure will deliver that for them. The execs will walk away into cushy jobs at other oil companies and the corporate liability will disappear with the company. Frankly we should all be buying as much BP gas as we can to help ensure they stay around to clean this shit up for the next decade or two.

Seize BP a is moronic, short sighted, knee jerk reaction. Get a grip.

[Sir SkratchaLot]

Gee no one has ever eluded that I am racist because I don't like this president(n) Try again Sir Scratch, cats calls of racism do not offend me.

As for Seize BP.... their net worth (all of their assets) as of today are worth about $91B on paper, far less if it were actually auctioned off. It was about $180B back in april before the spill. Is maybe $50B in proceeds from selling off BP assets going to be enough to cover the cost of this spill? The way it's going...probably not. Not to mention the time, and expense, it will take to do all of that. SO if you seize BP and sell it off and spend the remaining proceeds on clean up ( which has now been delayed because of all of this adminstrative BS) and economic damages.....then what? Then BP is off the hook and the US Taxpayer is on the hook for the rest of cost and we will get to watch the federal government flail about ineptly and waste tons of our money...as usual.

The worst thing that could happen is for BP to declare bankruptcy or get seized but that is probably exactly what the execs want right now. They want out and a seizure will deliver that for them. The execs will walk away into cushy jobs at other oil companies and the corporate liability will disappear with the company. Frankly we should all be buying as much BP gas as we can to help ensure they stay around to clean this shit up for the next decade or two.

Seize BP a is moronic, short sighted, knee jerk reaction. Get a grip.

I didn't call you racist, all I did was quote you.

Do you even understand how illogical your position is? You're angry at the president because the federal government isn't spending massive amounts of tax dollars to save the day and bail out BP, but you still think they should do more and that they will certainly flail ineptly and waste tons of money. And, despite the fact that you think the federal government isn't doing enough your solution to the massive waste that is this oil spill is to spend more money on BP gas so that they can survive to clean up the mess which you claim they can't do without the federal government's help which is why you're angry at the president. Somehow BP's flailing and wasting tons of money is not bothersome to you, in fact, it makes you want to give them more money.

:confused:

And again, I'm just paraphrasing here (accurately I might add).

At least "I'm racist" would be a strait forward and logical explanation for your position.

I guess I'm just missing something. Why don't you set us strait.

[travesty]

No problem, you can use a little straitening (sp) out.

I'm certainly not angry at the President because he isn't "spending massive amounts of tax dollars to save the day and bail out BP". I also never said BP couldn't handle this mess without federal assistance. Quit making assumptions and rewriting my statements. If anything, not spending tax payer money is commendable and frankly I'm not even ANGRY at Obama, I just think he has, once again, proven a real lack of leadership. If you actually read my post you will see that my accusations against him are for ineptitude and negligence not for a failure to spend taxpayer $$.
The Jones act could have been suspended with a swipe of his pen. The Dutch oil skimmers were offered for free and BP would have paid for their operation/maintenance...cost to taxpayers= $0
It has taken TWO MONTHS to demand that BP set up a damage fund.
He did nothing about the Packgen fiasco.
He has done nothing to lay out timelines or benchmarks for BP to meet and consequences for failing to do so.
Obama has been on vacation TWICE since the spill started.
It took him almost two weeks after the rig explosion to visit the gulf.

Somehow BP's flailing and wasting tons of money is not bothersome to you
Quite to the contrary, it's very bothersome and that its the point I'm making. BP needs to be doing the work of cleaning this shit up but they can't be left alone to just deal with it as they please. These are our waters and coatline they are destroying. The President and the Feds need to MANAGE the situtation and they aren't doing a good job of that thus far. MANAGING does not mean doing the work for somebody, it means making sureb the work is done efficiently, correctly and within budget. So far Obama has just let them do whatever they want, on their timeline with no constraints or repurcussions. That is not management and that is certainly not leadership. That is, however, Obama. That's how he handled writing the healthcare reform and the stimulus package. He let others do it at their leisure.

Obama, The Gulf Of Mexico and every single citizen in US NEEDS BP to be financially healthy. Please explain to me how how seizing BP assets or driving them into bankruptcy will will slolve this problem?

I am racist...happy? Now explain to me what in any of my posts would make you believe that?

[Sir SkratchaLot]

No problem, you can use a little straitening (sp) out.

I'm certainly not angry at the President because he isn't "spending massive amounts of tax dollars to save the day and bail out BP". I also never said BP couldn't handle this mess without federal assistance. Quit making assumptions and rewriting my statements. If anything, not spending tax payer money is commendable and frankly I'm not even ANGRY at Obama, I just think he has, once again, proven a real lack of leadership. If you actually read my post you will see that my accusations against him are for ineptitude and negligence not for a failure to spend taxpayer $$.
The Jones act could have been suspended with a swipe of his pen. The Dutch oil skimmers were offered for free and BP would have paid for their operation/maintenance...cost to taxpayers= $0
It has taken TWO MONTHS to demand that BP set up a damage fund.
He did nothing about the Packgen fiasco.
He has done nothing to lay out timelines or benchmarks for BP to meet and consequences for failing to do so.
Obama has been on vacation TWICE since the spill started.
It took him almost two weeks after the rig explosion to visit the gulf.


Quite to the contrary, it's very bothersome and that its the point I'm making. BP needs to be doing the work of cleaning this shit up but they can't be left alone to just deal with it as they please. These are our waters and coatline they are destroying. The President and the Feds need to MANAGE the situtation and they aren't doing a good job of that thus far. MANAGING does not mean doing the work for somebody, it means making sureb the work is done efficiently, correctly and within budget. So far Obama has just let them do whatever they want, on their timeline with no constraints or repurcussions. That is not management and that is certainly not leadership. That is, however, Obama. That's how he handled writing the healthcare reform and the stimulus package. He let others do it at their leisure.

Obama, The Gulf Of Mexico and every single citizen in US NEEDS BP to be financially healthy. Please explain to me how how seizing BP assets or driving them into bankruptcy will will slolve this problem?

I am racist...happy? Now explain to me what in any of my posts would make you believe that?

Hoald on let me straiten out my coatline and I'll get to back to you. . .

First, I don't think BP needs to be "seized" and I don't see how that's going to happen. I do want to see them be held accountable but punshment is secondary to getting the shit-storm stopped. The reality of the situation is, the situation is fucked and no amount of lipservice or fingerpointing is going to fix it. The larger question is how do you prevent it from occurring again?

Second, you have to understand that prevention of this type of thing requires regulation and (the equally important) enforcement of regulations costs money. Who's money? Taxpayer's money. "Managing" the situation, as you put it, costs money. Unless your just looking for a nice speach, leadership costs money. Forcing BP to hold funds for compensating victims costs money. Forcing BP to settle with people costs money. What you're saying is that you want President Obama to unilaterally take exective action to oversee the situation. Which costs money.

You're calling it "managing" and "leadership" now but when there isn't a crisis you'll see the word "oversight" thrown around. Oversight has that negative connotation to it. "TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT!!!!" "Our tax dollars are being wasted on OVERSIGHT!" "We can't even take a piss without the federal government overseeing it." "Don't oversee my gun rights!" But, when captain tragedy strikes, then its "why isn't this inept federal government doing more to make us safe???" "Where's the leadership?" "Who's managing this shithole?"

DUHHHHHHH!

The whole point being, figure your shit out. You can't have your cake and eat it too. People want to complain about paying taxes and too much government oversight but then when shit like this happens they whine and complain that the government isn't doing enough to save them. Then they cry and complain about how wasteful the government is. Make up your mind.

If you REALLLLY wanted to stop shit like this from happening you would be screaming that we need to raise taxes so that we can properly regulate and ENFORCE the regulations. Why? Because Corporations can't be trusted to regulate themselves. It's a conflict of interest. There needs to be healthy BALANCE between capitalism and government in society. Much of Europe has figured that out but here in America we're caught up in rhetoric that has ultimately ended up lining the pockets of the top 1.2% of our population. Funny how that works.

If you don't want your "hard earned" dollars going to the evil bad Faideral Government then you can (a) let each state deal with its own problems and get taxed out the ass by your state (State's Right's!!!!). If you happen to live in a state where something like this happens then you're fucked; or (b) you can let the Corporations run wild and hope that the free market will sort it out (which is basically what got us in this situation in the first place).

Your minimized government attitude is how we ended up with a fucked up banking system and oil spilling all over the place. So, now you want to complain that the government isn't doing enough? Oh hell knaw!

I don't think the government is a knight in shining armor. I'm a realist. I know someone is going to be fucking us in the ass. But, I'd much rather be fucked in the ass by our inept government than being fucked in the ass by these corporate assholes who have no other purpose in life than to ream every last dollar out of my pocket and piss in my pool while doing it.

You wanted less government. You got it. Now deal with it.

[ericg]

not to get between your squabble... but travesty has a point on the siezure business. i'd hate to see the taxpayers having to end up dealing with this and the execs getting away. maybe call the saints in on this one. that's my two cents.

[travesty]

First, I don't think BP needs to be "seized" and I don't see how that's going to happen. I do want to see them be held accountable but punshment is secondary to getting the shit-storm stopped. The reality of the situation is, the situation is fucked and no amount of lipservice or fingerpointing is going to fix it. The larger question is how do you prevent it from occurring again?
Exactly.

Second, you have to understand that prevention of this type of thing requires regulation and (the equally important) enforcement of regulations costs money. Who's money? Taxpayer's money. "Managing" the situation, as you put it, costs money. Unless your just looking for a nice speach, leadership costs money. Forcing BP to hold funds for compensating victims costs money. Forcing BP to settle with people costs money. What you're saying is that you want President Obama to unilaterally take exective action to oversee the situation. Which costs money.
It sure does...where are the absurd amount of dollars that the US has collected from oil companies for the last umpteen years.(hint $2.2 TRILLION over the last 25 years. Certainly some of that should have been set aside for "Leadership" during a crises caused by this industry.

You're calling it "managing" and "leadership" now but when there isn't a crisis you'll see the word "oversight" thrown around. Oversight has that negative connotation to it. "TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT!!!!" "Our tax dollars are being wasted on OVERSIGHT!" "We can't even take a piss without the federal government overseeing it." "Don't oversee my gun rights!" But, when captain tragedy strikes, then its "why isn't this inept federal government doing more to make us safe???" "Where's the leadership?" "Who's managing this shithole?"
DUHHHHHHH!
Duhhhhh! When it's a national emergency it is leadership, when it's just interfering in normal business it is "oversight". Those are significantly different things. That's the difference between managing and micro-managing. One is beneficial, one is not. According to the Constitution, making us safe (protecting the people) is the ONLY thing the Federal Government should be doing. PS- I wish more people would start overseeing my gun rights, they seems to be getting trampled on more and more.

The whole point being, figure your shit out. You can't have your cake and eat it too. People want to complain about paying taxes and too much government oversight but then when shit like this happens they whine and complain that the government isn't doing enough to save them. Then they cry and complain about how wasteful the government is. Make up your mind.
My shit is straight. I'm not complaining that the government isn't doing enough. I'm not compaining that the government didn't do enough prior to the spill and I am not complaining that the government needs to do more to change the regulations. You are. I am complaiing that Obama has handled this situation very poorly which has proven to be par for his presidency.

If you REALLLLY wanted to stop shit like this from happening you would be screaming that we need to raise taxes so that we can properly regulate and ENFORCE the regulations. Why? Because Corporations can't be trusted to regulate themselves. It's a conflict of interest. There needs to be healthy BALANCE between capitalism and government in society. Much of Europe has figured that out but here in America we're caught up in rhetoric that has ultimately ended up lining the pockets of the top 1.2% of our population. Funny how that works.
Ahhhh.... the only way the liberals can solve anything. Raise taxes and make more regulations. I guess we should forget about making the regulatory administrations more efficient, less bloated, more mobile and less expensive. I know most liberals are breft of any business accumen but what is wrong with the government following the fundamental rule of business...increase output and decrease input. It happens everyday in the business community yet somehow the government can't ever do anything better, faster or more efficiently without increasing the budget. The European BLANCE of capitalism and goverment ain't working any better bro. Please. Look around. But as I've always said, if you don't like our system and think the European "balance" is more your style, maybe this isn't the country for you.

If you don't want your "hard earned" dollars going to the evil bad Faideral Government then you can (a) let each state deal with its own problems and get taxed out the ass by your state (State's Right's!!!!). If you happen to live in a state where something like this happens then you're fucked; or (b) you can let the Corporations run wild and hope that the free market will sort it out (which is basically what got us in this situation in the first place).
The only states whose citizens are getting "taxed out the ass" are the ones with a history of Democratic leadership and liberal policies ie California, NY, IL.
Had the taxes from offshore drilling gone to the states instead of the FED, then yes, the would be equiped to deal with this. Free market scaredy cat! Run and hide the big bad corporations are coming to get you.


Your minimized government attitude is how we ended up with a fucked up banking system and oil spilling all over the place. So, now you want to complain that the government isn't doing enough? Oh hell knaw!
Bwahahahahaha...dude you crack me up. Oh hell yes. If you really think that a small government mindset caused the banking collapse then I can't help you. You need to get your nose out of the NY Times and do some real research. Start with the Community Re-Investment Act. Second how is the government either responsible or not responsible for a couple of asshats deciding to shirk the regulations on that oil rig? Or the FEDERAL AGENCY (http://http://www.komonews.com/news/national/93935014.html) that shirked it's duties to inspect the rig. What the hell makes you think that more agencies funded by more tax dollars are going to make a single bit of difference if the one we already have in place has failed to do its job?

I don't think the government is a knight in shining armor. I'm a realist. I know someone is going to be fucking us in the ass. But, I'd much rather be fucked in the ass by our inept government than being fucked in the ass by these corporate assholes who have no other purpose in life than to ream every last dollar out of my pocket and piss in my pool while doing it.
Call me crazy but I'm pretty confident I can do a pretty good job of keeping shady corporations out of my life. (that is until Obama's healthcare plan forces me to buy a shitty product from them) However, I have no way of keeping the government out of my life and they want far more from me than just my money. If you are not capable of looking out for yourself and your family, then I understand why you need the government to handle portion of your life for you and I hope my tax dollars will help you out. You are welcome.

You wanted less government. You got it. Now deal with it.
Not even close bro, if you call this administration "less government" you need some professional help. We haven't seen "less government" fo a long, long time.

[kaiser soze]

Republican Barton jams his tongue up BP's ass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvKZh3EY9S4&feature=player_embedded#!

and VP Biden kicks his ass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABToOl-xbHE&feature=player_embedded

[travesty]

They all have their tongues up BP's ass from Obama on down to Capitol Hill. Do you really think that Obama's metting with Hayward was contenious and Barry got all up in face and demanded the $20B? Please. You know he was like "Look Tony...you know I have to do this right? It's nothing personal bro. I appreciate you being the largest conributor to my presidential campaign but if we don't do this, neither one of us is going to make out of here with our careers. So ignore it when I act all tough and shit on TV 'cause you know I'm just trying to keep my job bro. You know I love you guys! You know I'm letting you do whatever you want with this spill but in order for me to be able to continue to give you free reign in the gulf I have make it look like we both actually care about those people and that I am actually doing SOMETHING. Plus just tconsider it a downpayment on my next round of campaign funding because now that we have that money we can use it fr whatever we want, including helping me and lots of other Dems get re-elected."

[kaiser soze]

I can't really agree or disagree with ya on this one

but if that's how it went down - I'm sure bush and cheney were under the table sucking Hayward's dick like a fucking spigot of oily spooge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPbZe43pTC8

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25674571/

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D91TMF480&show_article=1

[travesty]

How come no one is blaming John Browne (http://www.nndb.com/people/454/000045319/) for this disaster? I mean it only seems logical that if people are going to blame GW and not Obama, then they should also be blaming the previous CEO of BP instead of the current one. What gives? How can we blame the guy who had the reigns of the company at the time of the incident but not blame the POTUS that had the reigns at the time of the incident. Seems like really selective criticism to me, dare I say....blatant hypocrisy. More like idiocy.

[kaiser soze]

ok - so I guess you can only see in the now. Sorry that you can't realize it was bush's administration (including the dems in congress) who opened up Pandora's box with the offshore drilling ban.

anyways - anyone up for some sailing or golf?

[travesty]

BP secured the lease for the Macondo Prospect (the currently spewing well) on March 19, 2008 at the MMS Lease Sale #206 (http://www.gomr.mms.gov/homepg/lsesale/206/cgom206.html). That's a solid four months prior to Bush lifting the exectutive ban on offshore drilling (July 14th, 2008)and over six months before the Democrat controlled Congress let their ban expire on Oct. 1, 2008. And I guess it's irrelevant that neither the Executive Ban nor the Congressional Ban applied to Texas or Luisiana waters (western gulf) anyway. There is absolutley nothing that Bushie did, or did not do, that had any causative effect on the Deepwater Horizon incident. Blame him all you want but it's simply misplaced.

Did Bush open the door for potentially similar situations by lifting the ban? Probably. But so did Obama when he lifted the ban on fields in the Atlantic. Clinton's role in the DeepWater Royalty Relief Act of 1995 is also an interesting sidenote.

I wish there we some other threads to discuss.... this one is getting old huh?

[kaiser soze]

BP oil response operator - what's the closest restaurant?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mnn45340DNA&feature=player_embedded#!

Where the fuck has BP been? It's been quite quiet and it appears their clean up operation is continuously proving itself a joke.

This mess will be the end of BP and quite possibly Obama if he doesn't take this seriously.

Climate change?

How about we start talking Climate Death

[travesty]

It does seem to be rather quite lately but I guess that's what happens when shit becomes "old news". Once all of the "shocking" stories are played, the media finds something else to report. It's f'ing sad. The media in this country really is a failure. BP is fucked. The gulf is fucked and we're fucked. Story at 11.

[kaiser soze]

just because the media, BP, and our government aren't sharing much, there are still people paying attention

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxDf-KkMCKQ&feature=player_embedded#!

This is the end of the Gulf of Mexico as we know it

May God have fury on those responsible.

[kaiser soze]

clean up?

more like cover up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlJ-RpQRO10&feature=player_embedded

shameful, criminal, fucking weak

[Burnout18]

Why did the US government say no to foreign aid... specifically the dutch.

[kaiser soze]

$$$

That's it and that's all, this is all about $$$ - the environment be damned

Now hurricane Alex is here and unleashing hell on Mexico and U.S. shores :mad::(

[Burnout18]

What, i dont get the $$$ part. Are you suggesting foreign vessels aren't paying off people to earn the right to clean up the waters, or that the US govt (or BP) is more worried about foreign oil companies selling the waste oil they collect?

[kaiser soze]

Actually I didn't think of the selling the oil - but I bet someone *cough* BP *cough* is quite concerned of that - They want to collect ALL the oil for themselves.

I was thinking that paying a foreign nation for cleanup would def cost more than giving unemployed fisherman the opportunity.

There is really no other reason why the U.S. would say no to help if it was free

and seriously, this kind of work for free? Hell no I wouldn't do it. It's a toxic sludge pool out there.

[Burnout18]

No i wouldn't do it either, i wonder about the ppl worked on the exon valdez spill... how long did they live for after the clean up. I heard the oldest people survived to were thier late 50's.

[travesty]

Contrary to most reports, Barry did actually accept quite a bit of foreign help (http://www.factcheck.org/2010/06/oil-spill-foreign-help-and-the-jones-act/). However, the reason(s) behind refusing the Dutch skimmers has yet to be solved. And no one is offering any answers.
There is really no other reason why the U.S. would say no to help if it was free
There is ALWAYS a reason behind what the government does...nothing is not very well coordinated anymore. Something stinks.

As for the collected oil turning into $$... I really don't think it seems to be much of a concern right now as they continue to burn the majority of it off, even the stuff they are siphoning stright from the well head.

[kaiser soze]

BP admits failing to use industry risk test at any of its deepwater wells in the US

The procedure, known as a safety case, was developed in Britain after the catastrophic Piper Alpha oil rig explosion of 1988 in which 167 people lost their lives.

Royal Dutch Shell confirmed that it always develops safety cases – a lengthy written document – on each of its thousands of wells in the world, even though they are only mandatory in some countries.

This says it all - This was no accident it was and still is criminal negligence and now the shackles MUST come out. The MMS and supporters and enablers of anti-regulation need to come forward as well.

[travesty]

....and now the shackles MUST come out......and supporters and enablers of anti-regulation need to come forward as well.

I hope you have a lot of shackles on hand massa.

[kaiser soze]

what's a massa?

So I guess prosecuting and placing those responsible in jail is a joke?

Why don't you go take a dip in the gulf and come back to the thread - BP, Transocean, Obama's dicking about, Bush's/Cheney's secretive and obvious failed energy policy, The new MMS, FEMA, and and those who supported this shit and failing to respond accordingly are all at fault. I support an inquiry into Obama's position (including impeachment) over this. All these losers deserve to be treated as criminals. This quite possibly might contribute to a new extinction event.

[travesty]

You misunderstood me Kaiser. I'm all for prosecuting those that were negligent and CRIMINAL (the ones who knowingly skirted established regulations). I am also very much for an investigation into the dreadful response by both BP and the federal government and Jindal's bumbling in LA.
That's why I said you better have a lot of shackles!

[kaiser soze]

I know, just being moody thanks to Global Warming. This gusher is fucking destroying the gulf and I believe anyone who doesn't live directly on the coast has no idea how fucking horrible this is.

still though....what's a massa?

[travesty]

As in "don't whip me massa"...in refernce to the "shackles". I guess it didn't go over as well as I though it would. Oh well.

You're right the gulf is fucked. What's more fucked it that I signed up me and two of my employees to volunteer to help out down there. Was going to pay my guys for a week to go down there with me and just do whatever we could. I'm not trying to be a hero or anything but I make my living on the water and it's very important to me and my guys. Anyhow...they aren't taking volunteers!!! WTF? You can get in with the World Wildlife Fund which may be our only option but frankly I am more concerned about the people than the pelicans. Neither LA, MS or FL are taking volunteers. You can sign up to work (and get paid) but it takes about 3 days of "classes" before you can actually do anything. Anyhow, seems like they have all the people they need(n)(n) My next option is just to rent a couple rooms on an oil soaked beach and drink lots of rum at the beachfront bar just to help the economy out if nothing else. It's really disheartening.

[kaiser soze]

Looks like BP's work is not over - nor will it ever be

http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2011/03/oil_sheen_in_gulf_of_mexico_un.html

The U.S. Coast Guard is investigating reports of a potentially massive oil sheen about 20 miles north of the site of last April's Deepwater Horizon oil rig explosion.