this album better be good...

[mister jason]

i know, things can get a bit hairy when it comes to release dates, PR, touring, unforseen emergencies (glad yauch is doing well!) label crap, etc. but the beasties have no excuse for this album...lee majors sucks, TMR is boring, pop you rballoon is kinda corny, and bboys in the cut is ok (at least it has a beat with loop/sample reminiscient of older times/jazz influences.)

this post might be harsh and it is easy to be a fan, but they have to make a good album. TT5B was terrible, c'mon face it. any real beastie fan (was a teenager when LTI came out) who has followed the group since krush groove should admit this. i was so excited when ch-check it out dropped because it was back to basics, raw loops, rapid fire rhymes, etc. TT5B was anything but! using a laptop to make their beats, what kind of crap is that!!!!!!!??!!! i know sampling laws are tough, but to be quoted as saying "i havent even touched the mpc on the this record" and the "mpc is collecting dust" they simply got lazy. they should not tour as much and focus on a good studio album first. sorry, i had to vent, the waiting for hot sauce committee is driving me up the wall....

[b i o n i c]

sheesh!

[dave790]

you lost me at 'any real beasties fan', you pretentious fuck.

[b i o n i c]

i wouldnt go that far, but sheez - it'll be fine. if you hate it, whaddayagonnado... tastes change

[JDsmagik]

No one likes to wait, except maybe guys who go to strip clubs.

I'm all for stating opinions but I don't expect anyone to like or dislike anything based upon my preferences.

[JayJayFuntime]

I haven't found a Beastie album that has been poor yet - and won't with this either. They're "artists" - not just rappers. Go listen to Em if all you're looking for is "jazzy studio effects" Seriously bro - no disrespect....

TT5B is fantastic. It's got an 80's flavor to it - that's what they were going for - that Bronx, early rap flavor that guys like me in Texas will never experience....but thanks to them - yeah - I can experience a little slice of it.

I think it could have been "classic" had they not worn their politics so close to their rhymes...it took away from it a little and dated it...but a great album....they haven't let any of us down yet...

[Guy Incognito]

this post might be harsh and it is easy to be a fan, but they have to make a good album. ....

they dont have to do anything. christ. they have been doing this for nearly 30 years, they have contributed plenty to hip hop/music/video/film/art etc to be regarded as a truly influential band and if they called it a day tomorrow and decided to can HSC then fair do's.

they would go out having made many people happy and inspired a lot of stuff and if they put out an album of an hour of angry fax machines then we would have to deal with it and respect it.

They dont do it for you, they start off each album - like so many others - making music they like and trying new stuff and different from what they have done previously. To be honest, it sounds like nothing would match up to the early stuff for you.

HSC might not be much cop but i will buy it and listen to it and try to understand what they are trying to do out of respect for their other stuff and all the good stuff they have done. I hope it is good and i am sure it will be full of interesting stuff, maybe not as good as some others but the bboys usually sound like they are trying to entertain/inspire/innovate.

[Uru-Nitro]

I have the point that the 90% of the fans (me included) think that the best beasties' album is the one we discovered first.
I still think Intergalactic is the best song I've ever listened, and is also the first one I heard on the radio. I'm completly amazed by the overall sound of HN, and it's 10 years old.

I'm sure when HSC come out, a lot of new people will discover the group and 10 years later will say "hey, they were much better when I knew them"

[Ty Webb]

yeah i was critical of tt5b for a few years after, but i listen to it once in a while and get enjoyment out of it. the mix up was straight up my alley, so no complaints there. pop your balloon sounds hot to me, too many rappers has a descent overall sound. just settle down and wait for the official release. if you don't dig it, find a new band to follow.

[jayjacobson16]

i know, things can get a bit hairy when it comes to release dates, PR, touring, unforseen emergencies (glad yauch is doing well!) label crap, etc. but the beasties have no excuse for this album...lee majors sucks, TMR is boring, pop you rballoon is kinda corny, and bboys in the cut is ok (at least it has a beat with loop/sample reminiscient of older times/jazz influences.)

this post might be harsh and it is easy to be a fan, but they have to make a good album. TT5B was terrible, c'mon face it. any real beastie fan (was a teenager when LTI came out) who has followed the group since krush groove should admit this. i was so excited when ch-check it out dropped because it was back to basics, raw loops, rapid fire rhymes, etc. TT5B was anything but! using a laptop to make their beats, what kind of crap is that!!!!!!!??!!! i know sampling laws are tough, but to be quoted as saying "i havent even touched the mpc on the this record" and the "mpc is collecting dust" they simply got lazy. they should not tour as much and focus on a good studio album first. sorry, i had to vent, the waiting for hot sauce committee is driving me up the wall....

This is a retarded post. First of all you're saying that someone isn't a fan of the Beastie Boys unless they are in their late 30's, and all you did was talk shit about tt5b and hsc. The Beastie Boys aren't just going to repeat their last albums. Just because you hate everything new doesn't mean they suck. I'm assuming you grew up listening to their early work, and now you have grown attached to it and created a standard as how all their music should sound. Every new album YOU will like less and less for each one. That's because each new album is further and further from the time you heard their first couple albums. It's not like they were trying to repeat their old albums and accidently came out with something else.

You need to go in a dark room all alone and listen to their old albums and pretend it's 1992 or something. That's probably the only way you won't kill yourself over Hot Sauce Committee.

[jayjacobson16]

I have the point that the 90% of the fans (me included) think that the best beasties' album is the one we discovered first.

Yes. That is always the case. It has always confused me why LTI could be anyone's fav album, but i guess if thats the one they heard first that's what made them a fan. It's funny that 99% of FFYR fans don't know that it is a parody. I remember reading something where that garbage Kesha girl called FFYR an "inspiration".

[Brother McDuff]

they dont have to do anything. christ. they have been doing this for nearly 30 years, they have contributed plenty to hip hop/music/video/film/art etc to be regarded as a truly influential band and if they called it a day tomorrow and decided to can HSC then fair do's.

they would go out having made many people happy and inspired a lot of stuff and if they put out an album of an hour of angry fax machines then we would have to deal with it and respect it.

They dont do it for you, they start off each album - like so many others - making music they like and trying new stuff and different from what they have done previously. To be honest, it sounds like nothing would match up to the early stuff for you.

HSC might not be much cop but i will buy it and listen to it and try to understand what they are trying to do out of respect for their other stuff and all the good stuff they have done. I hope it is good and i am sure it will be full of interesting stuff, maybe not as good as some others but the bboys usually sound like they are trying to entertain/inspire/innovate.


yes yes y'all. well put.

if the bboys were still making LTI over and over again, or any of their other albums for that matter, you could easily be the one saying "geez, when will they stop making the same album over and over again? try something new for a change." trying new things is always a risk, but thats a risk they've always taken, they just got really lucky for a string of records. plus, an album can be a good listen without being a mind-blower too, don't forget.

if you walk into any album with expectations of comparison you will never be able to give it an honest listen, thus never give it a fair chance, hencewhile rob yourself of something you may have otherwise enjoyed.

[adrockmikedmca]

"but they have to make a good album. TT5B was terrible,"

You are nuts...

TT5B... get BETTER... AND BETTER WITH EVERY LISTEN...

Who cares if you were a teenager when Ill communications came out... and if you saw crush groove...

you obviously cant wait to rag on hot sauce because you have entered the dark side... you are a negative complaining fool...

I had a dream last night - I was chillin with the Beasties again.. was ILL...

Talked to MCA about when i gave him a high five - while on stage down in Mountain View, CA and how he signed my Teton Mountaineering hat... and then the other two got in the van and had to bail to the airport... balls... thanks MCA.. you Rock..

PAX... and quit your jibberish Jason...

[Kid Presentable]

Underground rap strikes again.

[adrockmikedmca]

@Jabberin Jibberish Jason

Obviously you have failed to innovate and are close-minded... get with the times man... you have to re-invent yourself as the Boys have done just for you and the rest of the fans... each album, as others have professed.. is approached as NEW and with the current times... get with the jizzy mizzy...

"You need to go in a dark room all alone and listen to their old albums and pretend it's 1992 or something."

I actually have done this... in Spain... with a bottle of Gin... when Check your head came out... it blew my fucking mind...

y'all should try it... a night of Gin.. you and Check your head... it gets more ill with each minute and each drink..

oh, and you have to be in Spain... lol.. jk.. if your eyes are closed then you could be anywhere...

keep on dreamin' y'all...

[Kid Presentable]

^stop

[adrockmikedmca]

Underground rap strikes again.

i dont git' it?

[Kid Presentable]

exactly

[adrockmikedmca]

exactly

ummm.. why are you on Jason's side foo?

[adrockmikedmca]

I think Jay was just looking for some drama... as history stands to justify...

Here is a posting from Jason.. this same post-starter from May of last year:

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before you hate me, hear me out. i have been a fan since 1985, and probably know more about the beasties and their music than most fans. anyway, this new album better come correct. watching the jimmy fallon show, it looked like they were bored, mca looked like he would rather be anywhere else than there, or performing. how many times can they play so watcha want? they are usually more clever than "hiding mics" in back of their chairs then "surprisingly" busting out so watcha want. i am a big fan and still am, but i have not been satisfied with a studio album since hello nasty. musically, to the 5 boroughs, was sub-par. any long time fan must admit that or anyone that has any clue about production. please make a dope album!

[Kid Presentable]

I'm not. He's a disgruntled underground rapper who knows better, but he kind of has a point (sort of). The live shows are where the Beastie Boys really excel nowadays. If the occasional person thinks that the quality of the albums isn't proportionate to the quality of the live shows, then so be it. Don't take it personally.

I will not admit anything about musicality though, it's not like Porn Theatre Ushers are my shit at all since it's boring basement rap, but maybe he can light a fire under them. I've been kind of thinking the Boys have reached the limits of what they can do with straight ahead hip-hop, maybe.

[Knuckles]

^stop

collaborate and listen...

[Kid Presentable]

Now that's a song.

I think Jason's fandom is experiencing death-rattles. Time to find a new band?

[abbott]

i like tmr

[Brother McDuff]

TT5B... get BETTER... AND BETTER WITH EVERY LISTEN...

Enjoying that phenomena at this very moment... :)

Who cares if you were a teenager when Ill communications came out...

Ill Communications!?! Is that like the sequel to Ill Communication!?!? Haha, just kidding man, got my grammar cap on today I guess. :o

[pshabi]

Yes. That is always the case. It has always confused me why LTI could be anyone's fav album, but i guess if thats the one they heard first that's what made them a fan. It's funny that 99% of FFYR fans don't know that it is a parody. I remember reading something where that garbage Kesha girl called FFYR an "inspiration".

I've got a burned copy of LTI in my truck w/ FFYR not included. LTI is the shit.

I have a kid that I mentor, 18 year old, inner-city black kid. Listens to all the contemporary hip hop that you would expect in that demographic. Anyway, I was driving him to his house a week or two ago and we were flipping through the radio stations and there wasn't anything on. He's like, "what in the CD player pops?"

I had LTI in there and it was on Paul Revere. He was diggin' it but that beat was rehashed somewhat recently so he recognized it. "I like old hip hop....tells a story," he said. I was like, "this album is 25 years old. It's got some beats." Started skipping around tracks and he was like, "I didn't know beastie boys were like this...this is nice." I said, "yeah, they come correct...but they've put out a lot of albums and they always switch it up." Told him about the Def Jam / Simmons days. Rick Rubin. The switch to Capitol and the introduction of instruments. We're cruising, bobbin' heads to beats. The New Style comes on. It got to the "Let me clear my throat" part at the end and I was like, "right here is one of the best moments in hip hop history." Bass drops....Ho's start. He was literally sittin' there with his jaw droppin. "This shit claps!"

Felt like a winner that afternoon. :) LTI is timeless. I dig all the bboys shit but if you can't appreciate the beats, the 3way rhyming, the one-liners...I feel bad for ya!

[pshabi]

Ill Communications!?!

Title track was hot on that album! ;):p:rolleyes:

[Guy Incognito]

TT5B was anything but! using a laptop to make their beats, what kind of crap is that!!!!!!!??!!! i know sampling laws are tough, but to be quoted as saying "i havent even touched the mpc on the this record" and the "mpc is collecting dust" they simply got lazy.

when hip hop started, samples and other peoples records was all anyone had. obviously as technology and sampling evolved then its been relied upon less and less to have a big chunk of a tune as the beat etc. Plus there are more creative ways of sampling sounds now that the listener might never realise whats been sampled

Plus, whether you agree wit it or not, tt5b was very political and it might have been harder to get the message accross to the listsener if they were too busy grooving to a funky hendrix sample or whatever.

Oh, and there are a couple of tracks on that album that have fucking huge chunks of recognisable tunes so they didnt completely sack the sampling off.
I do understand what you mean by missing their creative sampling but they have obviously moved on. Having a done a bit myself its very painstaking process plowing thru records and trying to find samples. maybe they just got bored of it and let MMM do all that on the live shows instead.

[jayjacobson16]

I've got a burned copy of LTI in my truck w/ FFYR not included. LTI is the shit.

I have a kid that I mentor, 18 year old, inner-city black kid. Listens to all the contemporary hip hop that you would expect in that demographic. Anyway, I was driving him to his house a week or two ago and we were flipping through the radio stations and there wasn't anything on. He's like, "what in the CD player pops?"

I had LTI in there and it was on Paul Revere. He was diggin' it but that beat was rehashed somewhat recently so he recognized it. "I like old hip hop....tells a story," he said. I was like, "this album is 25 years old. It's got some beats." Started skipping around tracks and he was like, "I didn't know beastie boys were like this...this is nice." I said, "yeah, they come correct...but they've put out a lot of albums and they always switch it up." Told him about the Def Jam / Simmons days. Rick Rubin. The switch to Capitol and the introduction of instruments. We're cruising, bobbin' heads to beats. The New Style comes on. It got to the "Let me clear my throat" part at the end and I was like, "right here is one of the best moments in hip hop history." Bass drops....Ho's start. He was literally sittin' there with his jaw droppin. "This shit claps!"

Felt like a winner that afternoon. :) LTI is timeless. I dig all the bboys shit but if you can't appreciate the beats, the 3way rhyming, the one-liners...I feel bad for ya!


I don't hate LTI. I have the album. I just don't like some things about it. I don't like the rock loops all that much (although i like the new style a lot), I don't like the constant beer rhymes all that much, and it's hard to listen to that album when all of their other work is so much better and enjoyable. I don't really ever compare their albums but this is just so far off from the rest of the albums that i don't really like it. It just feels like there is something off about this album and I don't get that feeling i get when i listen to Hello Nasty or the other albums.

[gbsuey]

this may not be the best record they ever made, i admit i'm totally not expecting that, but it's The Beastie Boys who i love unerringly (typo??). I got into them I.C era, and listened back and loved it all....and then onwards, but allthough i've not liked post I.C as much as those that came before they still rank as all-time favourite albums.

I've said it before, i'm not a huge hip-hop fan, but the beasties are about so much more and that's why i love them. And i'm more excited about the shows than the record....what kid p said, they are more awesome live than any record. But enough bullshit from me...this thread is so full of it, it may just POP

[Laver1969]

Yes. That is always the case. It has always confused me why LTI could be anyone's fav album, but i guess if thats the one they heard first that's what made them a fan. It's funny that 99% of FFYR fans don't know that it is a parody. I remember reading something where that garbage Kesha girl called FFYR an "inspiration".

I got into the Beasties because of LTI back in '86 when I was in high school and I guess I've kind of grown along with the albums. LTI is legendary in my mind.

Now, regarding FFYR... I used to skip that song too. But I think I've come full circle. I now have some weird appreciation for that song and really wish they would play this sucker live. I'm not sure why though.

[mister jason]

i apologize if i came across as bitter or "back in the good 'ol days" and i know there can never be a paul's boutique part 2. but wouldnt that be nice? just kidding, the samples would never clear for an affordable price....but why not try to duplicate that "feeling" they had during that time? yes, i am an aging "kid" (37) that wants to go back to when hip hop was at its best, 88-94, and know it is impossible. all i am saying is that the sound and production could be better than what they have put out there...i know they can do it, they know records, they know beats...i don't think they are trying to go after the kids, so why not give their long time fans a sound we all know the beasties are known for? as for you people that are upset with my initial post, i am sorry. buuuuuuuuuuuuut, isn't this a "message" board? not a message "bored"

[Brother McDuff]

yeah, I think the bboys have been focusing more on their live show over the second half of their careers, which is pretty fuckin sweet. they've mastered record making a few times over, so why not usher in a new challenge/area to improve?

[Kid Presentable]

i apologize if i came across as bitter or "back in the good 'ol days" and i know there can never be a paul's boutique part 2. but wouldnt that be nice? just kidding, the samples would never clear for an affordable price....but why not try to duplicate that "feeling" they had during that time? yes, i am an aging "kid" (37) that wants to go back to when hip hop was at its best, 88-94, and know it is impossible. all i am saying is that the sound and production could be better than what they have put out there...i know they can do it, they know records, they know beats...i don't think they are trying to go after the kids, so why not give their long time fans a sound we all know the beasties are known for? as for you people that are upset with my initial post, i am sorry. buuuuuuuuuuuuut, isn't this a "message" board? not a message "bored"

It's cool though, you kind of had a point. If they make shitty music, they absolutely make the best shitty music bar none. I pretty much feel the opposite of what you said about the HSC tracks, and I like lots of different kinds of music. What can you do?

[Kid Presentable]

yeah, I think the bboys have been focusing more on their live show over the second half of their careers, which is pretty fuckin sweet. they've mastered record making a few times over, so why not usher in a new challenge/area to improve?

That's sort of what I think they were going for on B-Boys in the Cut; something that approximates a live performance (adlibs, beat switches and cuts and shit) in the studio. Ironic I guess that the live version I've heard sounds pretty flat. I know I'm not going to convince you about BBoys in the cut though, just something for your brain to eat :p

[lolkat]

this album better be hood...you hear that beasties? str8 gangsta gangsta

[Darko]

After Hello Nasty, where each song contained about 8,000 tracks piled atop of each other, TT5B was a step in another direction as they simplified everything to basic beats and a minimal use of sampling. That's why I like it, because like all of the best Beastie Boys album, it sounds completely different than what came before it. No one was expecting Paul's Boutique after Licensed to Ill, no one was expecting Check Your Head after Paul's, and Boroughs was a complete 180 from Hello. It's hard to tell how much of a change Hot Sauce Comittee will be but we've already heard Lee Majors Come Again, and was anyone expecting a song like that from them at this point in their career? I have confidence that they will deliver another unique and quality album to fit in their already great and varied catalogue. If the Beasties didn't continually deliver each time out, would we really wait the amount of time we do between new records?

[mister jason]

b-boys in the cut, is the right direction, production wise, nonsense rhymes, having fun. i could take an album full of that. they have a lot of time to tweek the album and i heard they actually just may do that...hopefully they are reading these boards and know that people really want a dope album!

[Kid Presentable]

I'm not even that crazy about it, but I'm trying to understand what they were hoping to convey in making it. For my tastes it's a little too bouncy feel-good; do it up on double bass and loud drums, maybe a little slower. Fucked if I know, though.

[Guy Incognito]

due to the enforced delay, the fact its their first album with vocals for 6 years and that we have had a few snippets that this album is never going to reach expectations of most, its going to be an anti climax and maybe over time it will start to grow on people. keeping my expectations low.

[Axl Z]

sorry, i had to vent, the waiting for hot sauce committee is driving me up the wall....

It's hardly Chinese Democracy thou, at least they've given updates on what's going on, Being a Beastie Boys and GN'R fan means I have to have patience, no choice! (y)

[Burnout18]

i hope the new album sucks so that mister jason is vastly disapointed.

[Brother McDuff]

That's sort of what I think they were going for on B-Boys in the Cut; something that approximates a live performance (adlibs, beat switches and cuts and shit) in the studio. Ironic I guess that the live version I've heard sounds pretty flat. I know I'm not going to convince you about BBoys in the cut though, just something for your brain to eat :p


I can agree with that. I'm sure it will be a force of it's own in the live setting, given the animated vocals and sparseness of the beat. In all honesty, I feel like we still haven't heard a finished version. It just sounds incomplete. And that's not denial speaking either, I really do feel it's gonna be a bit different come release.

[mister jason]

i hope it sucks too!

[Darko]

I can agree with that. I'm sure it will be a force of it's own in the live setting, given the animated vocals and sparseness of the beat. In all honesty, I feel like we still haven't heard a finished version. It just sounds incomplete. And that's not denial speaking either, I really do feel it's gonna be a bit different come release.

Unless they do go back and tinker with the album, I'm pretty sure the one they played on Zane Lowe was the final version, although the sound quality of it was atrocious and it had the swears edited.

[Guy Incognito]

its possoible they might tinker with it, it'll be getting on for a year after original release and with how quickly things move , maybe they'll worry that its lost edge and revamp it slightly, i'm of the opinion that the longer it goes on, we might see both parts come out at once (if part 2 is finished or exists at all that is)

[silence7]

There better be a bunch of you mofo's out there for Record Store Day looking for those 1000 copies of:

Beastie Boys white label 12" super surprise 12" vinyl (http://www.recordstoreday.com/)

I know I'll be out there scanning the bins... THIS SATURDAY!!!!!!! Get out there!!!

[jayjacobson16]

There better be a bunch of you mofo's out there for Record Store Day looking for those 1000 copies of:

Beastie Boys white label 12" super surprise 12" vinyl (http://www.recordstoreday.com/)

I know I'll be out there scanning the bins... THIS SATURDAY!!!!!!! Get out there!!!


I hope that it has something new on it.

[Monsieur Decuts]

People dissing on TMR are crazy.

Nas and the Beastie Boys get together and there is anything negative on that? They could have done Cookie Puss 2 and I'd have been okay with it.

This is the start of a hip hop Traveling Wilburys DON"T FUNK IT UP PEOPLE

[Kid Presentable]

People dissing on TMR are crazy.

Nas and the Beastie Boys get together and there is anything negative on that? They could have done Cookie Puss 2 and I'd have been okay with it.


I really, honestly agree with this. It's pretty much what I wanted to hear from them at this stage in their career. Even if they don't recreate it, these are still the guys that made Paul's Boutique/your favourite of their albums. And they're on a track with fucking Nas.

[Guy Incognito]

This is the start of a hip hop Traveling Wilburys? DON"T FUNK IT UP PEOPLE

Traveling Illburys?

[Brother McDuff]

And they're on a track with fucking Nas.

*ahem*, Nas is on a track with them :). its especially dope that they seeked him out and not the other way around too.