EMINƎM - Recovery

[mickill]

A couple of weeks back he announced that the whole "Relapse 2" idea had been officially scrapped. Which is good. Vocals-wise, I think he wants to take a step backwards...possibly in the right direction. And I'm glad he's planning on working with producers other than Dre, himself, and Mr. Porter. DJ Khalil, Just Blaze, and Jim Jonsin have officially contributed beats/breaths of fresh air.

And it looks like the album is coming sooner than expected. The first single, Not Afraid, drops on Friday, apparently.

[mickill]

He also dropped this (http://usershare.net/bqxr9wfz0tlo) little freestyle today, which isn't too bad.

[Kid Presentable]

I'm really interested in hearing the Just Blaze stuff.

[checkyourprez]

i hate this rap style of his.

quit that like angry yelling rap style. thats why i didnt even bother with his last couple albums before relapse. i much prefer the slim slady sound, or even the relapse sound.

[Kid Presentable]

Hopefully he unfurls his Joe Walsh sound

[Miho]

He also dropped this (http://usershare.net/bqxr9wfz0tlo) little freestyle today, which isn't too bad.

I love that.

I hope Recovery sounds like The Eminem Show.

[Miho]

New Eminem single, "Not Afraid". (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM-0MqlIjGc)

[Odie]

Cheddar cheese, as per usual. Can't help but think of a self indulgent rap musical every time I hear him. Utter wank.

[The Notorious LOL]

^ he is better than your favorite rapper.

[hpdrifter]

Mikey, did you really take the time to find a backwards E?

[mickill]

You don't have an Ǝ on your keyboard?

It almost sounds like he's taking shots at T.I. on this.

In other news, I heard him say there won't be skits on the album.

[hpdrifter]

Just seems like kind of a fanboy thing to do.

Just sayin'.

[checkyourprez]

Just seems like kind of a fanboy thing to do.

Just sayin'.

i thought it was gay. but didnt warrant my time to say anything because who really gives a shit.

question is, why do you give a shit?

[checkyourprez]

this song is ok.

[mickill]

I've worked hard to establish a reputation for uncompromising seriousness at all times on this message board. Just like Eminem. I will not waver with my uncompromising seriousness for one second. Please continue to take everything I do and say uncompromisingly seriously.

[hpdrifter]

Man, you can be really humorless about jokes at your own expense.

[mickill]

Okay.

[checkyourprez]

Man, you can be really humorless about jokes at your own expense.

or you can just be a beeotch.

:confused:

[RobMoney$]

flow so wet I’mma take this beat tobogganing
I’m water logging it, I’m sogging it
pull your verse out the beat and stomp on it
suplex it on cement like I'm on some straight outta compton shit
take this dick and chomp on it
I'm so bad I can bitch slap a back handed compliment.
jack ass eat a donkey dick
the game I just about conquered it
like Donkey Kong
I’m bonkers bitch, I’m the king of this honkey shit,
I reign supreme in this honkey shit



FIYAH.

[yeahwho]

How do you get that backwards E? I know it's awkward as fuck to post in here without that knowledge (should of started a different thread perhaps) but I'm pretty sure before I make any further comments on this topic it is best I know how to get a backwards E.

I am fucking serious.

[mickill]

I also did the "I" and the each "M" backwards. Nobody noticed.

[DIGI]

Seriously?

[yeahwho]

Dude is serious as a heart attack, I bet he wears one of them backward baseball caps too.

[mickill]

Seriously. And the "N" is upside down.

[mickill]

The official album artwork (http://onethirtybpm.com/2010/05/24/eminem-unveils-recovery-artwork/)

[b i o n i c]

in case no ones mentioned it, i wanted to say that the backwards e really is a nice touch (y) sharp.

[jabumbo]

non∃ of the links in this thr∃ad work, but you guys are comparing your backwards l∃tt∃rs.

gr∃at

[Kid Presentable]

Not Afraid was a bit shit, I thought.

[mickill]

Yeah, I was Not Afan.

[Lex Diamonds]

Me three. By the sounds of it he's going back to the 2004 sound, getting all stream of consciousness and "deep". Which is not a good look for Em, Relapse was a great album because he managed to eschew all the pretentious and self-absorbed delusional shit by taking a bit of time out of the limelight. If he slips back into it it will be the most frustrating near-comeback I care to remember.

[mickill]

Tracklist:


1. Cold Wind Blows
2. Talkin’ 2 Myself f. Kobe
3. On Fire
4. Won’t Back Down f. Pink
5. W.T.P.
6. Going Through Changes
7. Not Afraid
8. Seduction
9. No Love f. Lil Wayne
10. Space Bound
11. Cinderella Man
12. 25 to Life
13. So Bad
14. Almost Famous
15. Love the Way You Lie f. Rihanna
16. You’re Never Over

You know, maybe Relapse wasn't so bad afterall.

[Laserface]

yeah those song titles don't sound very promising at all

[checkyourprez]

Tracklist:


1. Cold Wind Blows
2. Talkin’ 2 Myself f. Kobe
3. On Fire
4. Won’t Back Down f. Pink
5. W.T.P.
6. Going Through Changes
7. Not Afraid
8. Seduction
9. No Love f. Lil Wayne
10. Space Bound
11. Cinderella Man
12. 25 to Life
13. So Bad
14. Almost Famous
15. Love the Way You Lie f. Rihanna
16. You’re Never Over

You know, maybe Relapse wasn't so bad afterall.

relapse wasnt bad, at all. it actually was good.


i dont like the way he rapped on the first single, i agree with what padster just said. i dont like his trying to hard rap style. just fucking rap dude. get back to slim shady shit.

[yeahwho]

Oh... I don't know, I'm sort of looking forward to hearing "Climb Every Mountain" and "Sixteen Going on Seventeen".

[EN[i]GMA]

You know that cover of We Built This City is going to be hot fire.

[Kid Presentable]

I'm really just gonna check for the Just Blaze stuff. Em's rediscovered "I have a secwet and it's sewious" flow might ruin it for me though.

[RobMoney$]

I dunno, a lot of hate in here.
I'm actually kind of excited about his new stuff.

I have high hopes for the new album.

[Kid Presentable]

Not hating, strictly. I had a problem with the Relapse accent on first listen, and I warmed up to it. My problem is the delivery he uses on Not Afraid is one I've already heard and grown tired of. Just hanging for the Just songs.

[Lex Diamonds]

Not hating, strictly. I had a problem with the Relapse accent on first listen, and I warmed up to it. My problem is the delivery he uses on Not Afraid is one I've already heard and grown tired of. Just hanging for the Just songs.
c/s

[RobMoney$]

Padster, YOU have a problem with Em's accent? rly?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpot6D4SISM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JrJSVR_1Uc


Pot...Kettle...black.

[Savage Jimmy]

I havent really bought any of his albums(i liked the slim shady lp and eminem show just never thought to buy em) I really like the cover with him walkin away from the camera.... if its on vinyl i might jus buy it for the cover and put it up..... granted i will listen to it.

[mickill]

Won't Back Down (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLinkJvoasY)

Hmmmm, I hope he's just getting the less impressive songs out of the way.

[RobMoney$]

You're kidding.

[hpdrifter]

I kinda like he did a song with pink. She's a little badass and she can really sing. I'm quite surprised that he put that and a song with Rihanna on the same disc. I could see him getting away with one but prolly not both.

[RobMoney$]

This album is gonna be tits.

[roosta]

i quite like Wont Back Down, on one,hungover listen.

Hate Pinks voice though.

is this a Just Blaze production?

[Kid Presentable]

Khalil, I gather.

[Lex Diamonds]

Damn... never thought I'd say this but bring Relapse Em back.

[checkyourprez]

i was not a fan of im afraid.


but this track was pretty decent. the chorus is eh, im not really a pink fan. but the beat is different and ems ferocious.

[Kid Presentable]

Yeah I don't really know where else he could have gone musically. Pink aside it's not a bad track.

EDIT: Apparently it's called 'Relapse 2'

[Lex Diamonds]

It's a terrible track all considered. Just because your expectations of Em have lowered doesn't mean this shit is valid hip-hop. Listen to anything from Infinite to MMLP and this shit sounds like a bad joke.

[Kid Presentable]

It's a terrible track all considered. Just because your expectations of Em have lowered doesn't mean this shit is valid hip-hop. Listen to anything from Infinite to MMLP and this shit sounds like a bad joke.

Valid. Ha. Yeah it's not a bad track, it's something else in the sea of shit out and about.

[Lex Diamonds]

Padster, YOU have a problem with Em's accent? rly?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpot6D4SISM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JrJSVR_1Uc


Pot...Kettle...black.
How has that proved anything? His delivery on Not Afraid and most of Encore is shit, end of story.

[RobMoney$]

This isn't about Encore. Encore was shit. He was fucking high at the time.
This is about all the guest stuff that's out there right now and the upcoming RECOVERY album stuff that's been leaked.

If you think the jam Mike posted, the Despicible Freestyle, The Mariah/Nick dis song, or any of the guest stuff like Drop the World or Airplanes II is weak then your opinion on what is good hip hop is what's wrong, because it ain't Em's flow, delivery, or content.
He's back.

bitchin' about his accent should be like this or that, and then you post some dude rapping who sounds like he's gonna fall asleep anyminute and can't keep on time with the beat if he had a stopwatch? please.
...he's not rapping with any accent anymore, that's his voice.
Picture how much of a fool someone would look like if they bitched about adrock's "accent" on Paul Revere.

[Lex Diamonds]

The comment stands, he is nothing compared to what he was. Flow wise, content wise, and just about every other way. Listen to "Bad Meets Evil" and then all the recent shit you mentioned and you will see the truth.

[checkyourprez]

The comment stands, he is nothing compared to what he was. Flow wise, content wise, and just about every other way. Listen to "Bad Meets Evil" and then all the recent shit you mentioned and you will see the truth.

how many mc's still sound like they did when they first come out?

[RobMoney$]

I think he sounds like he's rededicated himself 100%.
I respect your opinion on hip hop, Paddy. Kid P too.
I just can't understand why you & KP don't hear what I'm hearing.
Why would you want him to make the same record or sound like his early stuff. Why would that even matter?

It's like saying, "Yeah, Abbey Rd. is OK and all, but it's no Magical Mystery Tour. Lennon & McCartney clearly fell off".

[Kid Presentable]

Like I said, I don't think it's a bad track. I don't mind it at all, to be honest. I don't know when Bad Meets Evil became the yardstick for quality, though.

[Lex Diamonds]

It's not, that's the point. Even his average material back then was sick. His first 2 albums (3 if you count Infinite) were some of the best hip-hop I've ever heard. This shit most definitely aint.

Opinions are like assholes.

[Kid Presentable]

I mean, Loc'ed After Dark was some of the best hip-hop I'd ever heard, but I moved on.

[mickill]

His flow was actually pretty corny in his Infinite days. He sounded like Ahmad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVgTeHhpsYM), but with better lyrics.

As for the Pink collab, it's just nothing special. Going by his own past strong singles (The Way I Am, Stan, Guilty Conscience etc.), this pales in comparison. It reminded me of Jay-Z's 'Oh My God'. And Khalil's had much better beats.

[Lex Diamonds]

Everyone moves on, doesn't mean that poor new music becomes better than older music. That's a terrible misconception that a lot of hip-hop heads hold. "Hotness" does not equal greatness.

Sure it's nice that Eminem's trying again but nonetheless, he's nothing on 2001 Em. Embarassingly so.

[RobMoney$]

he's nothing on 2001 Em. Embarassingly so.

This is the logic some of the failures of human life over in BG who are still waiting for LTI or CYH part II have.

Don't be one of those, Padster.

[mickill]

Well, technically he's a "better" rapper now than he was in his Slim Shady years. He locks in with the beat now, as evidenced by the way he stays on top of the beat on Won't Back Down despite the semi-irregular cadence. Also, by the time he made Eminem Show he was layering like 5 tracks of vocals in different pitches for a lot of his verses. It was almost just too perfect. I liked that he kind of went back to a dryer sound on Relapse. And he seems to still be doing that.

I like his verse on Forever better than anything else he's done since. That was probably a top 5 moment for him. I was kind of hoping he'd stay on that vibe for Recovery. But that's not about him being better or worse, it's just preference.

[mickill]

At least he seems a little more comfortable in interviews (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WateApVFkG4&feature=player_embedded) again. Despite the fact he looked like he was going to jump out of his seat when Vanilla Ice was brought up.

[Documad]

At least he seems a little more comfortable in interviews (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WateApVFkG4&feature=player_embedded) again. Despite the fact he looked like he was going to jump out of his seat when Vanilla Ice was brought up.

The prior Jonathan Ross interview was funnier (to me).

[Lex Diamonds]

This is the logic some of the failures of human life over in BG who are still waiting for LTI or CYH part II have.

Don't be one of those, Padster.
I'm far from that. I'll happily rate a later album over one of a band's "classics" (I prefer Be Here Now to What's The Story (Morning Glory) for example), all I'm trying to say here is that while this music is decent enough, it's not great and it's disappointing for someone who's followed Em's career through and saw some hope in Relapse. Yes he's still technical and can flow but the creativity's not there, he's repeating words a lot (which isn't rhyming) and just generally a lot less sharp and adept at getting out messages and evoking emotions.

Like Mike said it's all preference. and I prefer old Em so much I'd rather listen to that again than this new shit I've heard so far.

[mickill]

I prefer Be Here Now to What's The Story (Morning Glory) for example
Why?

[checkyourprez]

I'm far from that. I'll happily rate a later album over one of a band's "classics" (I prefer Be Here Now to What's The Story (Morning Glory) for example), all I'm trying to say here is that while this music is decent enough, it's not great and it's disappointing for someone who's followed Em's career through and saw some hope in Relapse. Yes he's still technical and can flow but the creativity's not there, he's repeating words a lot (which isn't rhyming) and just generally a lot less sharp and adept at getting out messages and evoking emotions.

Like Mike said it's all preference. and I prefer old Em so much I'd rather listen to that again than this new shit I've heard so far.


look i used to be that way with wu-tang. eventually you just get over it, and know that that shit is never coming back. accept what you get, and if something above par does come out then its even better. but thats life, take what you get and deal with it.

Why?


obviously a made up instance to prove his theory.

[RobMoney$]

But that's not about him being better or worse, it's just preference.

Yeah, I think everyone here is intelligent enough to realize we're all just stating our own preferences.
That's all art is really.

Give me a choice and my preference would be the baggy white t-shirt, bleach blonde Eminem of the Marshall Maters LP and The Eminem Show, but I think his current stuff thats out there now is some of his best work in years and I'm excited to hear the new album when it drops.

And the album has no skits which means he's at least going to try to NOT make MMLP, Eminem Show, Encore, ect yet again.
So that's also an encouraging sign IMO.

[mickill]

Trading verses with Royce and Mr Porter (who should've had the consideration to just sit this one out) on Westwood (http://usershare.net/2DopeBoyz/1mtdi9eu5rnp).

[mickill]

This (http://usershare.net/7mr2ayrayx89) one is just the Em parts.

[EN[i]GMA]

This (http://usershare.net/7mr2ayrayx89) one is just the Em parts.

Ouch.

[mickill]

Album leaked.

What's up with this? (http://usershare.net/YouHeardThatNew/eefndegypoxz) Oh, it's that Just Blaze joint Kid P was anticipating.

[Kid Presentable]

Hey fam I'm at work, can't hear nuffin. Is the Just Blaze track any good?

[The Notorious LOL]

1). I liked Relapse

2). Recovery is great

[mickill]

Hey fam I'm at work, can't hear nuffin. Is the Just Blaze track any good?

That would somewhat depend on your feelings towards this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zlViU5PBPY).

[The Notorious LOL]

cornball sample aside, I thought that song was pretty decent.

[mickill]

Yeah, it's not bad.

Overall, I like the album better than Relapse.

And Infinite.

Probably Encore, as well.

[The Notorious LOL]

So its better than floor scrapings (Infinite) and elephant dung (Encore)?

Sounds like you love it.

[mickill]

I also like it better than the two D12 joints.

[checkyourprez]

a decent effort. a lack of quality production is going to limit its ability to get spins in my collection. but hes back to a good level overall. not as good as the first two albums, and frankly not as good as relapse imo. but still not bad at all.

[mickill]

Gave it a second listen. My verdict:

1. Cold Wind Blows......................excellent opening track - 9/10
2. Talkin’ 2 Myself f. Kobe.............not feeling dude's singing at all, but the beat/Em's vocals save it- 7.5/10
3. On Fire..................................one of the better moments, hook's kinda boring - 7.5/10
4. Won’t Back Down f. Pink...........still think it's okay...kinda growing on me - 7.5/10
5. W.T.P...................................beat is weak, concept is alright, nothing great - 5.5/10
6. Going Through Changes...........like the Sabbath sample and the verses, drum beat sounds a lot like Lose Yourself to me - 7/10
7. Not Afraid.............................I'm just glad he skipped the cornball 1st single this time around and went straight to the "serious" song - 6/10
8. Seduction............................it's funny how Em never really brags like this, but I can't really take the playboy Marshall thing seriously - 6/10
9. No Love f. Lil Wayne...............this is a guilty pleasure - 8/10
10. Space Bound.......................this is totally the same chord progression as Hotel California with a few changes......still like it, though - 8.5/10
11. Cinderella Man.....................the singing knocks it down a couple of notches for me....it's like a weak sequel to Till I Collapse - 6.5/10
12. 25 to Life...........................not really the kind of music grown men should make - 6/10
13. So Bad..............................wish the album had more of these kinds of beats, but still not feeling the player schtick - 8/10
14. Almost Famous....................another strong moment - 8.5/10
15. Love the Way You Lie f. Rihanna....I really feel like this shit has been covered enough times throughout the album.....kinda ehhh - 6/10
16. You’re Never Over.................Again, retreading familiar ground, but with the addition of possibly one of Em's most embarrassing hooks ever - 4/10
17. Bonus track.........................I don't know what this song is about, but he seems to be directing it towards a female of some sort again....nice beat - 7/10

Overall, I'm glad he knocked the shock tactics off, didn't rely on too many dated pop culture references, and kept the murder count relatively low. I could hear the accents slipping out here and there, but all in all he sounds like himself again. There may be one too many corny moments for me, though. And it gets repetitive towards the end. Also would have been nice if he'd have let Alchemist contribute something.

[Kid Presentable]

It's pretty good. Impressive raps, feels like a big long rant sometimes. At no point past track one do I think "man this is really cool" but I still enjoy it all for the rhyming.

[Kid Presentable]

Scratch that I have Almost Famous on repeat while I write this f@gg0t b!tch job application

[checkyourprez]

It's pretty good. Impressive raps, feels like a big long rant sometimes. At no point past track one do I think "man this is really cool" but I still enjoy it all for the rhyming.

hammer to the nail hit the nail on the head.

[checkyourprez]

although i will say i liked it more the second time i heard it.

[Kid Presentable]

There is quite a lot of crap (musically) on it, though. Like confusingly bad stuff. I think mickill was pretty generous with some of his low scores.

[RobMoney$]

Yeah, kids' back.
There's a ton of singles on this record.
Talkin 2 Myself was a refreshing dose of honesty...

"Them last two albums didn't count
Encore I was on drugs
Relapse I was flushin em out
I've come to make it up to ya
No more fuckin around
Got somethin to prove to fans
Cause I feel like I let em down"


People should take heed at these bars right there, because he just told the hip hop world in no uncertain terms that he's back.

Too many highlights for me to even get into with the rest of the album. Just awesome.
Loved a majority of what Em is doing on this, but I'm coming away disappointed by the beats a bit.
Undisputed best rapper alive once again IMO.

[The Notorious LOL]

his flow overshadows the sometimes less than stellar production.

I think in reality the production just seems lackluster in spots compared to other Eminem albums, cuz the dudes been pretty spoiled in that regard.

[Lex Diamonds]

Why?
Because art is subjective- that album just means more to me in terms of my memories of listening to it etc. I prefer the psychedelic lyrics to the coke-addled braggadocio of WTS. Don't get me wrong, it's still one of my favourite albums and I admit I probably listen to it more often.

I'm not saying I've given up on Em, just that it looks to me like in a year's time I'll still be bumping SSLP & MMLP a lot more than anything he's putting out now.

Gonna listen to Recovery now, cheers for the link. From you people's reviews I'm thinking I might like it so let's see. Like Rob said art is completely subjective to the beholder so this is all really a waste of time anyway.

[mickill]

Production credits:

01 Cold Wind Blows (Just Blaze)
02 Talkin’ 2 Myself (DJ Khalil)
03 On Fire (Mr. Porter)
04 Won’t Back Down (DJ Khalil)
05 W.T.P. (Supa Dups)
06 Going Through Changes (Emile Haynie)
07 Not Afraid (Boi-1da)
08 Seduction (Boi-1da)
09 No Love (Just Blaze)
10 Space Bound (Jim Jonsin)
11 Cinderella Man (Script Shepherd)
12 25 To Life (DJ Khalil)
13 So Bad (Dr. Dre & Nick Brongers)
14 Almost Famous (DJ Khalil)
15 Love the Way You Lie (Alex Da Kid)
16 You’re Never Over (Just Blaze)
17 Untitled (Havoc)

[Kid Presentable]

Cold Wind Blows is probably my favourite cut. I'm actually warming up to Not Afraid, but only if it comes on and I haven't realised I'm up to it and can't be bothered skipping it.

[Documad]

So you all downloaded this someplace? I apparently won't be able to hear it for weeks yet.

I went to the record store over the weekend and was pissed off that so many albums people have been talking about haven't been released. :(

[Kid Presentable]

1. Cold Wind Blows......................reminds me of the first time I heard Naughty by Nature's s/t, almost perfect minus the aquaman - human torch line - 9.5/10
2. Talkin’ 2 Myself f. Kobe.............I wanted to hate on the singing and the beat and the rhymes so bad, but it really works with the concept, quite the pop sensibility going on and an interesting albeit utterly swaggerless performance - 8.5/10
3. On Fire..................................Quite like this too, it's sort of funny, the stuff about firetrucks and shit, overall concept seems like a good 'reset' song for dude, decent beat - 7/10
4. Won’t Back Down f. Pink...........it's definitely improved, but lots of clumsy lines abound - 7/10
5. W.T.P...................................Haven't listened to it beyond the first verse yet a single time tbh lol - 3/10
6. Going Through Changes...........singing along with Ozzy for the loss. I went through mad changes, too. It was puberty - 5.5/10
7. Not Afraid.............................It's kind of a shitty 808 knock-off of 'Get By' but I will admit it has some value as an uplifting tune, and I definitely think it's better than a post-curry dump - 7/10
8. Seduction............................worth it just for the friendly Jigga shots haha, actually one of my favourite tracks, I like the beat and the sensible levels of mucking around - 8/10
9. No Love f. Lil Wayne...............actually was sort of hoping for a beat of note, the em verse is a bit of a clusterfuck that channels 'Forever' without improving on it, I enjoyed Weezy though. I like it but I'm annoyed it's not better - 7/10
10. Space Bound.......................the guitar shit mickill was talking about is spot on. It feels like a Whitey Ford jawn. Except rapped by an emotionally frail 37 year old with mother issues. Not a good thing, but the performance is decent - 6.6/10
11. Cinderella Man.....................unlike 'Til I collapse' this doesn't have the 2002 dramachord progression that was all over ems shit at that time. And the singing on this reaally elevates an already pretty freeform lyrical spazz-out. This is actually a legit highlight for me, cause it's not as overtly formulaic as its progenitor - 9/10
12. 25 to Life...........................If hell has public toilets, the janitors would whistle this hook, and the song is not my cup of Postum at all - 2/10
13. So Bad..............................Just enough of the Aftermath feel which is conspicuous by its absence at this point. Well placed in the tracklist, content is blah blah but it's a solid track - 8/10
14. Almost Famous....................yeah bangin - 8.5/10
15. Love the Way You Lie f. Rihanna....I've listened to more of this song than I have of W.T.P, which costs this song a point in comparison. Somebody out there probably likes it - 2/10
16. You’re Never Over.................the cat has had a house guest recently, and she's gotten really good at dealing with people as a result. I'm quite proud of her for it - 4/10
17. Bonus track.........................Havoc. Like Mobb Deep Havoc? Shit. It's not a bad track. I guess. I suppose I've come this far, it's an ok song, better than the last two aborted fetuses - 6.5/10



My scores are based on my own strange tastes, and I'm no authority on anything. I'm about as hip-hop as sex with a relative.

I still think Relapse is better, almost out of spite now for how often dude shits on it on this record. This many albums in you can't really keep doing the same old, and there is a nobility in hearing him rhyme about Proof for sure.

On the whole this is quite a remarkable album though, and I think it will reach that younger generation or whatever, definitely gonna get a grammy or some shit. Some new ideas for dude, and that's a good thing in itself, even if a few of them are fucking embarassing.

If Encore was a 4 and Relapse was an 8, then this is a 7, I guess.

EDITS: Lot of similes and metaphors and all that entedre shit on here. Weird.

[hpdrifter]

Man, chuck the project management career and just become a writer already.

[Kid Presentable]

I can't help but feel I'm being made fun of. Can't say I blame you. :(

[pshabi]

I can't help but feel I'm being made fun of. Can't say I blame you. :(

I think it was a compliment. Nice review.

[Kid Presentable]

OK cheers guys.

Word has it that 25 to Life is about hip-hop. Take from that what you want. It's only a matter of time before he gets the whole overarching 'metaphors' thing that Clipse got about their crack rhymes, which would be funny.

[hpdrifter]

Dead effing serious, dude.