new rides

[ericg]

anybody check out www.mdi.lu, www.zeropollutionmotors.com (mdi's american counterpart), www.aircarfactories.com, www.spark-ev.com (not in biz anymore), www.phoenixmotorcars.com, www.hybridtechnologies.com, www.think.no, www.zapworld.com, www.miles-ev.com (not in biz anymore), www.zenncars.com?

there's even a magnetic engine available now by michael nugent of cycclone magnetic engines..

solo, the english guy who hacked into the pentagon's files found withheld anti gravity tech. i wonder when that will come to fruition?

have you heard about solar roadways? check it out!!!

[yeahwho]

It's so cool to see you putting all your energy into something like clean transportation. (y)

[ericg]

tell your family and friends. wouldn't it be cool if the people came up before the oiligarchy was finished... literally driving them out of business. get yours yesterday. actually, these vehicles have kept postponing their due date for whatever reason... not enough people interested in investing a little something.. you know what i'm saying?! damn. anyway, they will be available this year hopefully. phoenix motors said in the 3rd quarter. THINK said this year sometime, and hybrid tech hasn't responded to me yet but apparantly they're available now.

let's get a m*t*e*f*c*i*g move on :eek:;)

[yeahwho]

I like the ZENN the best, just a great looking vehicle and the name is pure marketing. Zero Emissions, No Noise.

[ericg]

I like the ZENN the best, just a great looking vehicle and the name is pure marketing. Zero Emissions, No Noise.

ZENN doesn't have anything listed about a highway model. they did.. i don't know what happened.. for that matter, miles-ev was up and running and now the site is dead. wonder what happened. go figure. that is a cool name though.

[ericg]

It's so cool to see you putting all your energy into something like clean transportation. (y)

thnx i try to do what i can do when i can do it

[ericg]

www.solarroadways.com

just to make it easy around here.
sign their encouragement list.

peace

[ericg]

oh, they need an investor too so beastie boys, i know you know someone who likes money and the planet, right?

[ericg]

ZENN doesn't have anything listed about a highway model. they did.. i don't know what happened.. for that matter, miles-ev was up and running and now the site is dead. wonder what happened. go figure. that is a cool name though.

actually i take that back, they are doing business with a company in texas that is making a storage unit for batteries that will make the highway model available. but they keep messing around and the car still isn't on the f*****g road. it's ridiculous.

[ericg]

damn they're selling the LiV series for 85,000. that's a non starter. i had to write them to get their pricing though. that's not right. i have this sick feeling that these companies are financed by the wrong side of things hence the delay in everything. it's 2010 y'all. what's up!?! we had an electric car on the road 20 years ago that was very affordable. remember "who killed the electric car"?

[ericg]

phoenix motorcars is probably who i'll go with for my business fleet. At 47,000 per with financing available via a third party, it seems about as reasonable as it can get right now.

[ericg]

they're coming out with 'revenge of the electric car'. sounds dope. can't wait...

[ericg]

there's also the nissan leaf. though i don't know when that will be ready for purchase. at 25 -35,000 it doesn't seem like a bad little car at all. check it out.

[kaiser soze]

here's a hot ride

http://www.teslamotors.com/

[ericg]

there's also the nissan leaf. though i don't know when that will be ready for purchase. at 25 -35,000 it doesn't seem like a bad little car at all. check it out.

i called them and they sed that they would be available in dec but you have to reserve one for a hundred bucks.

yeah, tesla is nice but expensive.

[ericg]

i'm meeting with an investor tomorrow to pitch my plan. i'm pretty excited about it but won't get my hopes up too high... then again... i expect alot from life. you know what i'm saying! anyway, hopefully i'll be bringing electric and innovative vehicles to your neighborhood soon. :)

[Whatitis]

here's a hot ride

http://www.teslamotors.com/

I've seen a few of the Roadsters on the streets having to do a double take thinking they where a Lotus.

[ericg]

i'm meeting with an investor tomorrow to pitch my plan. i'm pretty excited about it but won't get my hopes up too high... then again... i expect alot from life. you know what i'm saying! anyway, hopefully i'll be bringing electric and innovative vehicles to your neighborhood soon. :)

well, the guy got sick. i'll have to meet with him at a later date. i hate to wait.

[ericg]

who, providing you live in a city or by a campus, would drive my electric vehicles for $5 an hour or for $50 a day? i don't know how many of you tkae the bus or cabs or rent traditional cars, but it's not that much more expensive and it doesn't waste your time. i'm starting in seattle and then orlando.

[kaiser soze]

I would - how much would it cost to charge the car?

[ericg]

thanx...

i'm working on that right now. the industrial charger for the LEAF is 50 - $100,000 i'm told. i have to call the electric company on that one though. the profit is about $300,000 a year for one location as it is. i don't mind taking a chunk of that to pay for charging each year.

[ericg]

i just got an email from nissan saying that they're taking orders now and that we can lease the leaf for $349 a month for 36 months.
oh and check out www.theevproject.com. they're nstalling charging infrastructure across the us.

[ericg]

what's this about an increase in the gas tax from www.americansolutions.com
idon't know how but newt gingrich sent me an email saying this:

Eric -

The Liberals in Congress believe that if gas costs more you'll drive less. That's why they want to increase the gas tax. All in the name of saving the environment while destroying the economy.

And so tomorrow, Senators John Kerry (D-MA) and Joe Lieberman (I-CT) will unveil their new energy tax, which may include a new tax on gasoline, diesel, and other transportation fuels.

They will say, however, that it is not a gasoline tax because it doesn't raise the specific Federal Gasoline Excise Tax, currently set at 18.4 cents per gallon. But their proposal, according to multiple credible reports, is actually a tax imposed on top of the existing Federal Gasoline Excise Tax.

And Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), who helped craft this new gas tax, admitted the higher costs for energy companies "will be passed on" to motorists at the pump.

At American Solutions, we believe that if Americans pay more for something because of a government requirement, it's a tax. It's little wonder why a recent American Solutions poll found that 71% of Americans oppose a new gasoline tax.

We're not sure how much the new tax will raise gasoline prices. Researchers at Harvard University, however, recently determined that President Obama's ideal energy policy could lead to $7 per gallon gasoline.

In addition to potentially increasing the price of gasoline and diesel, the Kerry-Lieberman energy tax will increase the cost of energy for all American families. And the independent Congressional Budget Office recently determined that a new energy tax will kill jobs and reduce American productivity.

We believe raising taxes and killing more jobs is the wrong solution for America's 9.9% unemployment rate. We plan to fight this devastating legislation from day one, and we hope you will join us.

After the bill is introduced tomorrow, we will follow up with details about the bill and ways you can help.

Your friend,

Newt Gingrich
General Chairman
American Solutions

i don't like him or his group, like woolsey directing www.setamericafree.org. but anyway...

[kaiser soze]

Honestly I have no idea what you are proposing here

Are you setting up a promotional thing for electric cars? Do you work for a dealership? Is this some sort of leasing deal you are setting up?

What kind of individuals are you planning to be working with? What is the cost to them? Is this to promote electric cars or lease them?

One thing I know - hybrid, electric, alternatives vehicles have to become affordable for them to become popular. Only people with top $$ buy the vehicles and the vehicles are usually a reflection of that person's "eco-political" statement - those with hybrids are hip for the environment and those with Urban Assault Vehicles are hitting the environment (supposedly....I rarely see those things covered in mud)

So this is how it looks to me

1) Affordability
2) Availability
3) Resource Support

[ericg]

it's pretty simple... i'll have cells throughout a city. you can go online with your phone or call the office and find a vehicle closest to you with a tracking monitor online. you reserve it or just go jump in it and go where you want in the city for $5 and hour or $50 a day. besides that, i just want to bring electric and innovative vehicles to the marketplace in an affordable way.

i'm just relating the newest news i have on electric and other vehicles.
my business will undercut all the competition making them affordable and well known, always having the latest vehicle on call - and hopefully producing a new vehicle with the capital.

go to www.myspace.com/ericguinn where there's a blog called mov. click on it. it's very old, though i've updated it but not on myspace. but it should still give you a better idea of what i'm talking about.

[ericg]

now i'm just giving it away... how about that.
power to the people i say.

[kaiser soze]

I read most of it and it sounds interesting - what I get from this is that you will be a "dealership" leasing electric vehicles to individuals

What kind of vehicle would be available for $4,000? - scooters? Or are those wholesale prices?

This is interesting but seems a little complex for the prospective customer to digest

[ericg]

whatever then. no scooters though initially. like i sed, that's a really old plan. i haven't updated it since 2006. so go with the flow on this one with me alright. thanx.

[kaiser soze]

ya know what, I'll pass

[ericg]

good for you then. have a good day.
'don't waste my motherfuckin' time.'

[kaiser soze]

thanks, I think that is the only thing you said that shows salesmanship

if you try to sell an idea you must be open to answer questions

(n)

[ericg]

your question of what the $4000 was for? yes, scooters. is that it?
all the finances have changed from the old plan. the logistics are different as well.
the prerogatives are still the same.

[kaiser soze]

Then don't direct people towards that website, duh.

I didn't just ask about the scooter, but obviously you don't have the answers and will post a website and then blame that website for your lack of answers.

If I met you on a car lot, you would lose me in 5 minutes.

[ericg]

i'd lose you in one. don't flatter yourself.
what the fuck do you want to know?
it's not a fucking dealership, though i'd get involved with that aspect too later... ideally, a non profit managing a for profit cooperative is what i want. it's all very complicated maybe yes, but don't worry 'you're hangin' with audie murphy here my man.'

[kaiser soze]

well that would be because you're a dick

talk about a shoddy salesmen, go pitch your messy idea someplace else

[ericg]

sit and spin baby.
talk about a shitty customer.. whooo, you know what i mean!?!
and i am... this thursday i'm meeting an investor.
uh... bye.

[kaiser soze]

i'd lose you in one. don't flatter yourself.
what the fuck do you want to know?
it's not a fucking dealership, though i'd get involved with that aspect too later... ideally, a non profit managing a for profit cooperative is what i want. it's all very complicated maybe yes, but don't worry 'you're hangin' with audie murphy here my man.'

nice edit

What do I want to know? I don't know - go up thread and read my simple questions, they aren't much I'm just curious what your core market is and how is something like this going to work for your customers as well as yourself. EV auto technology (especially across the board) is pricey as hell. I cannot see myself leasing a tiny ev car for $300+ when I can get a roomy 4 door sedan for a quarter less.

p.s.

Is this spam? It doesn't seem to have any political emphasis and you surely can't conduct a decent discussion about this pitch you have.

If you treated your potential clients and customers like this you wouldn't make a cent, shit most execs would laugh you out their doors with that attitude. I'm starting to doubt that you came up with that impressive website because of your failure to uphold this idea (whatever it is) on this board.

You can be an elitist environmentalist, unfortunately most who want to make a change with their auto choices would not give you their patronage because of your attitude.

Honestly what is your point if you're turning this into an argument? I asked some questions and you get all hoity toity - It sounds your potenetial clientele are in Washington State and Florida - then why are you posting this on this board?

or you just spamming?

[ericg]

you asked uno question.
go look yourself.
i'm getting tired of you. why are you still here?
you don't see how new energy is political?
you're not a very bright one are you?

thanx for the compliment on my page though.
'i took it as a compliment, no matter what they meant, could've been beligerent, could've been half percent, could've been wanting...' - 311

the core market and how it's going to work for my customers as well as for me has been explained.
the electric vehicles i've been talking about are suv's and car's that hold 5 people. where have you been?

[kaiser soze]

Honestly I have no idea what you are proposing here

Are you setting up a promotional thing for electric cars? Do you work for a dealership? Is this some sort of leasing deal you are setting up?

What kind of individuals are you planning to be working with? What is the cost to them? Is this to promote electric cars or lease them?

One thing I know - hybrid, electric, alternatives vehicles have to become affordable for them to become popular. Only people with top $$ buy the vehicles and the vehicles are usually a reflection of that person's "eco-political" statement - those with hybrids are hip for the environment and those with Urban Assault Vehicles are hitting the environment (supposedly....I rarely see those things covered in mud)

So this is how it looks to me

1) Affordability
2) Availability
3) Resource Support

Looks like more questions to me

HAVE FUN trying to AVOID your investors questions

So....Why are you still here?

You haven't accomplished shit with this thread.You post a bunch of links to EV cars - big woopie! You dodge questions (which won't even compare to your investor's questions), and you belittle people for no reason.

What are you trying to Accomplish here? Do you need to supplement your small penis with this elitist attitude? You don't know shit or you would have NOOOO problem answering my little questions.

straight spamming fake

[ericg]

you're an idiot. those questions have been answered and were stupid to begin with - so i didn't count them. why is no one else having a problem here? and if the investor is as stupid as you, i'll tell him the same fucking thing.

don't work yourself so much here, as far as you're concerned i'm just advocating electric and innovative vehicles.

[kaiser soze]

Well first off - when selling an idea no question is stupid - You need to learn that or you will fail.

Secondly, nobody is paying much attention or posting or asking questions in this thread so don't pat a hole in your back for that one. You should be happy that I'm participating.

Thirdly, most people who have great ideas welcome questions no matter how stupid they think they are. Your lack of humility, patience and failure to want to make this a discussion proves you cannot put your money where your mouth is.

I didn't come into this thread treating you poorly, but you decided to treat me poorly so this is where the conversation is going. Do that to a client or customer and see your EV's collect more dust.

You won't get rich dusting them off while watching your competition kick your ass.

Finally, what is political about EVs?

[ericg]

what. a. cry baby.
get the fuck out of here.

[kaiser soze]

spoken like a true innovator

stop editing your posts

I called you out and now you can't handle it

spammer

[ericg]

ok then, bye again.

[kaiser soze]

the word is spam

[kaiser soze]

word?

[ericg]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqHbNLSUmd8
here's some spam for ya, fool.

[ericg]

where'd ya go?

[ericg]

word to your momma..!
alright, enough of that.
i'll be posting my new plan shortly for all you tech heads.

[b i o n i c]

i dont think he came in here to fuck with you,
i think he was trying to get the discussion going = trying to help

[kaiser soze]

Thanks. I was honestly intrigued at first but now I'm concerned what his true intentions are. Feels more like he's trying to hop on a trend to profit rather than educate and further an environmental cause.

There is much more to this business model that eric will need to keep in mind

1) Insurance (for both lessor and leasee)
2) Theft / Damages
3) Knowledgeable Maintenance
4) Charging /Mileage limitations
5) Legitimacy of driver qualifications (driver's license, driving record)

Most people drive ev/hybrid vehicles as a choice, an expensive choice at times. I know people who drive these kind of cars and they are on the higher end of the spectrum when it comes to income. Now I know the markets that eric is shooting for will more than likely have the money, but I bet most college kids would prefer to be seen in a BMW than a Nissan Leaf.

Let's say someone leases it for $50 a day for a whole week for a whole month. That is roughly $1000, I'd rather pay for a BMW myself.

Now for $5 an hour, the reason why people take public transportation is:

1) They don't drive - either they don't have a license, can't have one, or choose to use public transportation (in some places it IS the cleanest form of transportation).

2) Public transportation is reliable - you know that for 99% of the time you will get to your destination at the time you expect. Driving brings headaches and people prefer not to have those.

3) There is no need to think while taking public transportation - you sit, relax, read, sleep - people like that.

3) Availability/Cost of parking - people try to avoid that, add an approx $10 to that $50 and it's now $60 a day.

I never found out who his core market is - College kids? Enviro-conscious yuppies? Tourists? People sick of taking the train? Curious drivers?

As if I didn't think about this, but hey I'm an idiot right?

[ericg]

i see you're enthusiastic about this... thanks, but i've thought of everything about a million times over.
don't work yourself so much.

[ericg]

then there's www.revaglobal.com. i thought they were finalizing their us marketing plans years ago but apparently they still have no plans for the us.

[ericg]

'At present we do not have distribution arrangements in US. We are planning to enter US markets with our new models by end of 2011. We will keep you inform you the status of availability.'

and that's what reva had to say.

[ericg]

anybody check out www.mdi.lu, www.zeropollutionmotors.com (mdi's american counterpart), www.aircarfactories.com, www.spark-ev.com (not in biz anymore), www.phoenixmotorcars.com, www.hybridtechnologies.com, www.think.no, www.zapworld.com, www.miles-ev.com (not in biz anymore), www.zenncars.com?

there's even a magnetic engine available now by michael nugent of cycclone magnetic engines..

solo, the english guy who hacked into the pentagon's files found withheld anti gravity tech. i wonder when that will come to fruition?

have you heard about solar roadways? check it out!!!

miles ev changed their web add to www.milesev.com and now doesn't advertise it's highway model which it was all about a year or two ago. strange shit. kinda like zap with it's electric station wagon. what happened to that? i emailed milesev anyhow so i'll let you know what they say.

[ericg]

zap does have the alias though. check it out.

[ericg]

I've seen a few of the Roadsters on the streets having to do a double take thinking they where a Lotus.

Electric vehicles
Lotus Engineering has established a group dedicated to hybrid and electric vehicles.[14]

Lotus plans to enter the electric vehicle race, CEO Michael Kimberley told the Financial Times . "Don’t be surprised to see an electric Lotus shortly,” he said, adding that a concept version could debut as early as March 2009, at Geneva Motor Show.[15][16] Lotus is now front and center in the electric-car arena.[17]

Lotus did not reveal details about the car or the engine but discloses that it will go for 300 to 400 miles (640 km) and it will really live up to the expectations of being one of the best electric cars in the world.[16]

Lotus joined Jaguar Cars and Caparo on a luxury hybrid executive sedan project called "Limo-Green"--funded by the UK Government Technology Strategy Board. The vehicle will be a series plug-in hybrid.[17]

Tesla Motors, a likely rival for Lotus if its plans go through, has also turned to contractors for parts of the all-electric Roadster.[15] Of note however, is the fact that Tesla currently obtains the chassis for their Roadster from Lotus as do Dodge for their EV because of the heavy weight of the batteries in an EV and Lotus's widely known low weight and sharp handling characteristics. While only 10% of the parts of the Tesla Roadster are shared with the Lotus Elise, Lotus is responsible for approximately 40% of the overall content of the car.[15

[Whatitis]

Even though Toyota has issues at the moment, this is a great boost for Tesla. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100523/ts_alt_afp/environmentusjapancompanyautoelectricitytoyotatesl a)

[ericg]

then there's the dodge circuit and chevy volt out in 2011.. so they say.

i guess the car and oil companies have had so much time ripping everyone off with profits galore, it's inevitably time for electric vehicles to come out. oh wait, that was said in the 1990's. www.setamericafree.com says that it would take car companies only $100 a car to make a flex fuel engine.

still, it's ridiculously late and investments should've been made... earlier.
who wasn't up on shit then? damn!

though it was in the 1900's that cannabis was made illegal meaning hemp for gas... so lumber and oil business men could make their way.
still the same people.

[ericg]

you are referring to our highway speed vehicle the CODA that is being marketed by CODA Automotive and you would have to contact them directly at info@codaautomotive.com

this is what miles said. check it out. i'll know how much it is here soon.

[ericg]

Hi Eric,



Thanks for your interest in CODA. We will be announce pricing and start taking deposits this summer. The car will be delivering in California by the end of the year. If you’re not already on our reserve a CODA list, you can join here: http://www.codaautomotive.com/reserve.html


Best,

Bri

[ericg]

... kinda like zap with it's electric station wagon. what happened to that?

http://www.bing.com/search?q=zap%20x&mkt=en-us&FORM=TOOLBR&DI=6244&CE=14.0&CM=SearchWeb

[ericg]

solar roadways prototype (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep4L18zOEYI)

[ericg]

the new rav 4 (http://electrovelocity.com/2010/10/15/tesla-lands-60-million-contract-to-build-electric-rav-4s/)

[kaiser soze]

solar roadways prototype (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep4L18zOEYI)

awesome - roads that cost taxpayers 100% more! Or worse, turn every road into a toll road for eternity, ugh.

Now this is an interesting and radical concept, but first - Let's get the technology to the public in an affordable form of home solar energy....and cut out the middle man.

The power won't magically jump from the roads to our infrastructure ( a la Tesla ) - Additional costs of an ever growing electric grid to support this would also mount.

I am all for developing solar power and getting it into the mainstream, but this is a massive jump in implementing solar for public use and potentially a much more expensive (construction, maintenance/repair, insurance) option. Will these be privately or publicly owned? Now granted - power companies can "rent" sections of solar road - but we know they will spill the cost back to their customers or the drivers using them.

How would this technology hold up to floods, earthquakes, cold/heats, falling rocks, etc. I guarantee the upkeep would be more intensive than asphalt.

cool idea but not rational

[ericg]

oh shit not you again. i swear man...
you obviously didn't check the site. come back when you have.

[yeahwho]

Tesla, Toyota and RAV4 teaming up is very awesome indeed. I'm driving a RAV4 now and love it, I range upwards of a 700 miles a week but usually 60 to 80 mile per day and the RAV4 has made it through everything Mother Nature and mankind could throw at it on the roads.

Hopefully the driving range with TESLA technology will be capable to do what this gas hog of mine does. (24-28MPG) I had a GEO Metro 3 cylinder for 6 years that averaged 45 MPG but never felt safe one second while driving it. The trade off is expensive but the confidence of the RAV4 has been worth it. Work calls, gives me an insane schedule to some remote place 80 miles away during a ice storm or flood, I say OK hop in, crank up the tunes and away i go.

Confidence.

[ericg]

i had a geo metro too. it was my first car. it was a cool little bubble of a thing and was good on just about everything i needed it for. don't see any these days though. anyway.

[kaiser soze]

oh shit not you again. i swear man...
you obviously didn't check the site. come back when you have.

what was wrong with my post...it raised very important concerns about this technology.

[ericg]

concerns no. outlandish presumptions about the cost which is covered in the site, yes. it pays for itself and more and is designed to handle weather conditions. no new taxes or fucking toll roads for this man. where do you come up with this shit?

[kaiser soze]

Well I would like to think that all emerging technologies are "affordable" and "pay" for themselves. But I have yet to see an emerging technology be either of those, especially one that is subjected to the stresses of traffic, environmental exposure - and more than likely political, government, and corporate influence.

Solar is a big gamble still and especially when tons of vehicles are driving on it. You think people won't tamper with these things? Vandals will just walk on by? You think replacing a square of one of these is cheaper than some asphalt patch?

To prove Solar is the way to go, start with the private consumer. I would rather have a panel on my roof and know exactly from where I'm getting my solar power than paying (through the form of my taxes turned subsidies for environmental technology firms) for the monumental task of laying out miles upon miles of panels and a grid to support it.

Show me a power company that provides a service that strictly pays for itself and I'll sell you a unicorn that is powered by mouse droppings.

and which websites are you talking about?

consciousmedianetwork or yert? Could you please give me a direct link so I can better understand where you're coming from.

Like I said - this is interesting but I have concerns that are 100% valid....and I'm sure many would agree

[kaiser soze]

Here's more on the solar road idea - one of my other concerns is sorta brought up in the article - yellowing of photodegradation of the plastic, how would they reinforce the recycled plastic? ( even the inventor changed his tune with that )

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/09/solar-roadways-fix-the-power-grid-and-crumbling-pavement/

Brusaw said his initial target price is $10,000 for a 12 x 12 encapsulated solar panel. If it drops to $6900 during production, he said he could break even with asphalt. That’s not even counting the benefits of an LED display on the road’s surface, or the benefits to providing a green energy source on land where there are no issues about rights of way.



many comments following the article resonate with my concerns.

but boy are they outlandish :rolleyes:

I'm wouldn't be surprised if the inventor sells this idea off before it becomes a reality - the led/photovoltaic could be used in construction signs and such.

[ericg]

i have no bother really answering you at this point.
i still think you're full of shizzle going on about nizzle.
you're best bet is to write solar roadways about your 'concerns'. it's really easy and they'd love to hear from you.
tell me what they say if it's not 'it's all on our site'.

and you have to remember that this isn't a government project now (like it should've been if you know what i'm saying). it's just an ex-marine and his wife. they're not going to sell out. if you bothered to check the site, you'd know this along with all the other shit your questioning.

www.solarroadways.com

[kaiser soze]

well finally you post the website!

oh well, nice talking with you - maybe bump this thread with substance rather than just a link.

[ericg]

the website is posted at the beginning of this thread.
and fuck you my man.

[kaiser soze]

you are dead to me :)

*hugs!*

[ericg]

if only it were that easy.. you know you still love me!