My boy is making it as a rapper

[Lex Diamonds]

He's done a tune with B.o.B... see if you can spot me in this freestyle vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JrJSVR_1Uc

[ericlee]

it looks like a video straight from Liberia.

[Lex Diamonds]

Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNC-3tdq6OA)'s the B.o.B tune if anyone's interested.

[ericlee]

Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNC-3tdq6OA)'s the B.o.B tune if anyone's interested.

the best part and probably the only best part of that video is where he's spraying the clippers to prevent possible bumps.

Other than that, overused autotune. Same shit-typical lyrics with a hint of voice over.

[Lex Diamonds]

There is no autotune in that song. You have just exposed yourself as a total philistine.

[ericlee]

You sure about that?

[Lex Diamonds]

Sorry, do you know anything about music or are you just joking?

[ericlee]

There is no autotune in that song.

close thread.

[HEIRESS]

dude's voice is totally tweaked in that tune man, cmon!

I didn't see any white people, let alone really white British people in the first video? :confused:

[jabumbo]

nice hanky, honky

[Lex Diamonds]

There is a huge difference between autotune and production. I can't believe you people are even disputing this!

[Lex Diamonds]

dude's voice is totally tweaked in that tune man, cmon!

I didn't see any white people, let alone really white British people in the first video? :confused:
Look closer love.

[checkyourprez]

the best part and probably the only best part of that video is where he's spraying the clippers to prevent possible bumps.

Other than that, overused autotune. Same shit-typical lyrics with a hint of voice over.

theres maybe a hint of distortion but other than that thats just b.o.b.s voice.

[TurdBerglar]

there's definitely effects on his voice

sounds just like purposely over done auto tune

[kaiser soze]

the dude sounds constipated

the same grunt in every song ... and the beats are a bore

rapping like a parsnip

[Lex Diamonds]

the dude sounds constipated

the same grunt in every song ... and the beats are a bore

rapping like a parsnip
I'd be very interested to see you say that to his face.

[kaiser soze]

why don't you tell your boy Nathan I posted that

I guess people should never criticize art, unfortunately in my eyes this isn't quality rap nor art so my criticism shouldn't matter much to him anyways.

And if I get the chance to tell him I better do it quickly because I'm sure he'll find his way back into jail soon.

[Echewta]

Everyone is singing in the video, who is the rapper?

I think its nice that one guy is wearing a handkerchief over his face during flu season. He thinks about his mates first!

[PENisland]

maybe you guys could lay off and congratulate his friend, he's got a popular rapper on the same track with him.

Congratulations (y)

[fucktopgirl]

i think it is all right, like why not, a bit the same frequency , not exciting but ...it is what it is...better then lady gaga or rhianna.

[RobMoney$]

He's too monotone. He needs to spit with a bit more emotion.
His rhymes are tight tho.

[Helvete]

It was awful, the video is awful, the guy's rapping is awful.

I saw Pad though, shit hoody though, too scared to show your white face?

[Lex Diamonds]

He's too monotone. He needs to spit with a bit more emotion.
His nickname is "Hollowman".

[Lex Diamonds]

It was awful, the video is awful, the guy's rapping is awful.

I saw Pad though, shit hoody though, too scared to show your white face?
You lost when you brought up race.

[checkyourprez]

maybe you guys could lay off and congratulate his friend, he's got a popular rapper on the same track with him.

Congratulations (y)

i always thought this was a padster secondary, which would explain it.

but regardless, if it was someone other than padster (or probably me for that matter as well) on this board i think that would be the reaction more congratulatory.

[kaiser soze]

padster, it's not like we hate the dude or you - it's just that he's not PM Dawn enough.

plus if a gangsta can't handle a little criticism, oh wait...

that's what guns are for :(

[Burnout18]

i like the freestyle better than the other song. Wait are you in both videos or just the first one?

[Helvete]

You lost when you brought up race.
Fuck off, cracker.

[ericlee]

so what if you tell him he needs to work on it a bit more? Is the guy so fragile that he can't take some criticism?

He's making music for people. If he wants to push out his work then I think he needs to make it suitable for the people to listen to and if he can't do that then he's just doing it to hear his own voice behind some music.

He sounds like he has down syndrome. Like he doesn't have much material so he just drags his voice on to fill in the lack of lyrics.

I listened to a few other tracks and there's nothing groundbreaking or even interesting.

the dude just doesn't have it.

[kaiser soze]

seriously the grunt sample needs to go, he is no DMX

[Helvete]

Watch what you guys are saying, he'll come around with his crew and guns and kill you. Sorry, I mean he'll come down your endz wit' his mandem and merk you.

[Lex Diamonds]

Well yeah, he is in SN1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peckham_Boys).

[Helvete]

My gang is bigger.

[jabumbo]

gang based in an estate

[Lex Diamonds]

My gang is bigger.
And controlled by David Cameron. Nice one.

[Lex Diamonds]

gang based in an estate
Yeah and...? Estates have the poorest quality housing in this country. Like the projects in NY.

[pshabi]

He's done a tune with B.o.B... see if you can spot me in this freestyle vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JrJSVR_1Uc

I like dude's flow, but if that's freestyle how is it 4 or 5 dudes in his posse are rhyming along with him?

[Lex Diamonds]

In hip-hop, people also use the term "freestyle" to refer to a song made using another's beat but the artist's own lyrics and often a new flow/theme.

[ericlee]

I like the Freestyle one. The second one you posted needs more work. It just seems like he's got no material as I mentioned.

Here's my friend Bliss (http://www.myspace.com/godbliss7) from the Bronx. I'm really not into this style but I think he's way better than what your pal is pushing out.

[Myu-to]

In hip-hop, people also use the term "freestyle" to refer to a song made using another's beat but the artist's own lyrics and often a new flow/theme.
Thanks for clearing this up, I'm phoning Ice Cube right now to tell him that he's a dumbass because it's not "Jackin For Beats" it's called "freestyling".

Hey Ice Cube...

GHETTO PASS - REVOKED!

[befsquire]

a former client of mine (twice, and innocent both times; once a not guilty at trial, the other i got dropped) has a meeting in NY with a major record label next month.

i hope he makes it -- he's very sweet, and just wants to make his grandmother's last years as fabulous as possible.

[Lex Diamonds]

Thanks for clearing this up, I'm phoning Ice Cube right now to tell him that he's a dumbass because it's not "Jackin For Beats" it's called "freestyling".

Hey Ice Cube...

GHETTO PASS - REVOKED!
Yeah, while you're at it you can call every rapper that has ever put out a mixtape and let them know that some fat bald douchebag thinks they aren't "ghetto" anymore.

Dickhead.

[Helvete]

Real speak right there.

[Lex Diamonds]

I like the Freestyle one. The second one you posted needs more work. It just seems like he's got no material as I mentioned.

Here's my friend Bliss (http://www.myspace.com/godbliss7) from the Bronx. I'm really not into this style but I think he's way better than what your pal is pushing out.
That dude is decent, but he aint doing anything new. He's trying to be Guru and it shows. At least my dude is bringing something original, his swagger/flow and lyrical content have never quite been combined like that before.

[Lyman Zerga]

he can have me

[Helvete]

That dude is decent, but he aint doing anything new. He's trying to be Guru and it shows. At least my dude is bringing something original, his swagger/flow and lyrical content have never quite been combined like that before.

Yeah, I got the Guru feel from it as well.

As for Giggs, 'original', maybe, but there is normally a reason that no-one has ever sounded like that before...

Sorry, but I just can't find the appeal in it. Maybe I am the wrong authority on UK rap, because generally I hate it, but I see these guys in their big gangs, hanging about the tower blocks and underpasses around my town all the time, and they are scumbags and I just can't relate.

[Myu-to]

Yeah, while you're at it you can call every rapper that has ever put out a mixtape and let them know that some fat bald douchebag thinks they aren't "ghetto" anymore.

Dickhead.
Since you have attempted to insult me like this many times before, woud you say that it was a "freestyle" insult since it's just in another thread, or would you say it's more "mixtape" since it's repetitive and you can't come up with anything original kind of like Mariah Carey?

[funk63]

It was really great.

[jabumbo]

OH SHIT


the mute mixtape just went platinum

[ToucanSpam]

I really don't think the song is as bad as this thread implies. It's alright, kudos to him for getting one million hits on YouTube.

[Bob]

gang based in an estate

yeah "estate" = "projects"

it's kind of like lift instead of elevator

[Lex Diamonds]

Since you have attempted to insult me like this many times before, woud you say that it was a "freestyle" insult since it's just in another thread, or would you say it's more "mixtape" since it's repetitive and you can't come up with anything original kind of like Mariah Carey?
Nah I'd say it was more of an AZ insult because it was "The Truth".

[Myu-to]

Nah I'd say it was more of an AZ insult because it was "The Truth".
Awwww...

Bless your little heart. That's it, that's a good lad. You keep trying.(y)

And don't give up on those shoestrings either. Remember big boys don't wear velcro shoes that light up.:)

[Guy Incognito]

i like the first track, not so sure about the track with B.o.B. I liked his style, different. needs a couple of moody one liners though.
i dont think his rapping would have been criticsed as much if someone other than padster had posted.

[Dorothy Wood]

I like the guy's voice, the flow is...eh, alright.

but, dude has no swagger whatsoever, he looks self-conscious as fuck in those videos.

also, you guys are still british, and no matter how hard you wanna come, you ain't hard. at least to americans, you will never sound hard. that's just facts.

all the shots of the "ghetto" are soooo clean and shiny-looking.

here's where I'm from: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02x8EHXPfB0&feature=related

not trying to make it a contest, because I haven't lived there in almost 15 years, and I never lived in a super bad area like the ones in pictures. Though, I drove through bad areas many times as a teenager to go to parties and shows and whatnot, I once brought a grown man to tears driving through burnt out abandon neighborhoods because I got lost.

I'm just saying, what's tough to you is not that tough-seeming to americans like me or anyone who's even just seen places like detroit.

it's just not that impressive, the ideas they're trying to impart via rappings. not to me at least.

I mean, just look at the crime stats for a couple of days from the neighborhood I live in: http://chicago.everyblock.com/crime/locations/neighborhoods/logan-square/

again, I understand that life can be tough anywhere, and in comparison to the england we see in movies...maybe your area is a little rougher. I'm just trying to be honest here. You guys are taking all your cues from american street culture and it's pretty diluted.

[Loppfessor]

"making it as a rapper"...in 2010 this means your video on youtube was not filmed using a web cam.

[b i o n i c]

I like the guy's voice, the flow is...eh, alright.

but, dude has no swagger whatsoever, he looks self-conscious as fuck in those videos.

also, you guys are still british, and no matter how hard you wanna come, you ain't hard. at least to americans, you will never sound hard. that's just facts.

all the shots of the "ghetto" are soooo clean and shiny-looking.

here's where I'm from: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02x8EHXPfB0&feature=related

not trying to make it a contest, because I haven't lived there in almost 15 years, and I never lived in a super bad area like the ones in pictures. Though, I drove through bad areas many times as a teenager to go to parties and shows and whatnot, I once brought a grown man to tears driving through burnt out abandon neighborhoods because I got lost.

I'm just saying, what's tough to you is not that tough-seeming to americans like me or anyone who's even just seen places like detroit.

it's just not that impressive, the ideas they're trying to impart via rappings. not to me at least.

I mean, just look at the crime stats for a couple of days from the neighborhood I live in: http://chicago.everyblock.com/crime/locations/neighborhoods/logan-square/

again, I understand that life can be tough anywhere, and in comparison to the england we see in movies...maybe your area is a little rougher. I'm just trying to be honest here. You guys are taking all your cues from american street culture and it's pretty diluted.

real talk.

[ToucanSpam]

I don't really understand the "swagger" comments everyone is making. What is this supposed to mean?

[roosta]

all the shots of the "ghetto" are soooo clean and shiny-looking.

I'm just saying, what's tough to you is not that tough-seeming to americans like me or anyone who's even just seen places like detroit.
.

I dunno about this.
You might want to look at different pictures.

Also, this rapper man needs to be more enthusiastic.

I quite like his flow, no time for hard-man rhymes anymore though.

[Dorothy Wood]

I dunno about this.
You might want to look at different pictures.




I'm just talking about what they showed in the videos.


also, I was pretty drunk when I posted that. :o

[Guy Incognito]

Also, this rapper man needs to be more enthusiastic.

I quite like his flow, no time for hard-man rhymes anymore though.

thats the thing, i appreciate he's rapping about what he knows but somewhere along the line there needs to be variety, dark humour, stories, whatever. Not just i am going to slap you in the chops over and over. But i do like his voice and his slower delivery

[Lex Diamonds]

I'm just talking about what they showed in the videos.


also, I was pretty drunk when I posted that. :o
You literally wouldn't last 5 minutes in Peckham. Literally.

A bullet or a knife feel the same anywhere in the world. Don't get it twisted, just because the US birthed hip-hop doesn't mean it's tougher than the rest.

[Kid Presentable]

You take this shit too seriously, man.

[Lex Diamonds]

You sure?

[Kid Presentable]

Some of my "boys" are "making it" as "rappers" too. And I don't post their shit up because if I wasn't their friend, I'd level the types of criticisms seen in this thread at them. Art is a motherfucker. Who cares if nobody likes it?

[camo]

Not really my cup of tea but nearly one and a half million hits.

Do you reckon thats enough to push on through with?

[Lex Diamonds]

I don't care whether people like it or not, I just take issue with haters.

He's pretty respected in the game at the moment camo, general consensus is he's going to be huge. That's if the public start buying real hip-hop again instead of that Taio Cruz/Jason Derulo club shite.

[Dorothy Wood]

You literally wouldn't last 5 minutes in Peckham. Literally.

A bullet or a knife feel the same anywhere in the world. Don't get it twisted, just because the US birthed hip-hop doesn't mean it's tougher than the rest.

I didn't say it was a contest, of course I wouldn't last in an unfamiliar (and dangerous?) neighborhood in a different country. I'd bet I could avoid getting murdered though.

and you wouldn't last 2 minutes in any sort of dangerous neighborhood in america. I did student teaching in Cincinnati in the most dangerous neighborhood in america according to this: http://matadortrips.com/americas-most-dangerous-neighborhoods

one of my students missed class for a few days because she was stabbed in the knee. she was 13 years old.

and look, just a few miles south of where I live now is the 2nd most dangerous neighborhood in america.


As for Peckham, all I know is what you say and what the wiki page says on first glance. it makes a point to say there were 3 murders in 5 days in 2007. Well, whoop dee doo. I just looked at the crime stats for chicago and well, here, see for yourself: http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/

we passed 100 homicides a month ago.


I'm just saying, you aren't impressing anyone with your toughness. Especially since many of us on here live in big cities.

But good luck to your friend, I'm happy he's finding success.

[kaiser soze]

You literally wouldn't last 5 minutes in Peckham. Literally.

A bullet or a knife feel the same anywhere in the world. Don't get it twisted, just because the US birthed hip-hop doesn't mean it's tougher than the rest.

so hiphop is about hurting or killing people?

what the fuck is that - the people who do that are not hiphop, they're pieces of shit.

people who hold hiphop in their hearts are about enabling communities and minds, supporting creativity and expression, questioning authority while empowering people, mixing and scratching mad beats with your feet and fucking up the dancefloor on your hands.

p.s.

star wars isn't thug, it's geek.

[mickill]

Fuck being hard, mickill is complicated.

[mickill]

so hiphop is about hurting or killing people?

what the fuck is that - the people who do that are not hiphop, they're pieces of shit.

people who hold hiphop in their hearts are about enabling communities and minds, supporting creativity and expression, questioning authority while empowering people, mixing and scratching mad beats with your feet and fucking up the dancefloor on your hands.

p.s.

star wars isn't thug, it's geek.

Hahahahahahahaaaaaaaahahahahahahhahhassholeahhaha

[kaiser soze]

hahahahahahahahyoudon'tknowshithahahahaha

[TurdBerglar]

whenever i see people from other countries imitating stereotyped black american culture it makes me cringe. it's worse than seeing a bunch of wigger kids at the mall here at home.

they just look so foolish and it seems so fake and acted out. why are they acting like this? don't they have their own ways? im sure they do. are they just blatantly copying what they've seen on tv? how else would they learned to present themsevles like that...

these people, no doubt, in this video are blatantly copying stereotyped black culture and it's just corny.

you can't take it seriously from an american stand point.

[Lex Diamonds]

I never claimed to be "thug" or "hard". I just posted some music. You bitches are the ones who started catching feelings and bringing up image.

SMH @ you pussies.

[Lex Diamonds]

Oh and DW, you talk out of your arse love.

[Dorothy Wood]

how's that?

[Lex Diamonds]

In the way that you want to start comparing murder statistics and talk about kids being stabbed in the knee. It's completely irrelevant. Peckham is a bad place which inspires dark attitudes, end of story.

[Dorothy Wood]

In the way that you want to start comparing murder statistics and talk about kids being stabbed in the knee. It's completely irrelevant. Peckham is a bad place which inspires dark attitudes, end of story.


I was just comparing and contrasting because you said I wouldn't last there. Just saying I probably wouldn't get murdered since I've been to places worse and haven't been murdered.

I'm sure it's quite awful. I mean, look at this place: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Peckham_eel_and_pie.jpg

terrifying!


I don't know, I just agree with what turd said. As authentic as british hip hop thinks it is and wants to be...it just isn't. it's a copy. so it seems weird to americans, silly I guess. not your fault. it's the accent.

[TurdBerglar]

the british have a VAST history of copying american popular music. but back in the rock days they didn't try to act american.

[Lex Diamonds]

You people seem to think that the UK has only discovered rap recently by listening to a bit of US rap and imitating it. LOL. Zulu Nation had peoples over here in the late 70's. The culture grew over here simultaneously, just because you don't know about the roots and culture of UK hip-hop doesn't mean you should assume we copied it from you. That's just a very stereotypical display of American ignorance.

And don't even TRY saying that England didn't do more for the growth of rock than America. That's a stone cold fact, chump.

[TurdBerglar]

then why don't they stick to their roots! this is a blatant copy of the stereotyped black american.

it's so fucking stereotypical that it's kinda insulting and extremely silly.

with all the hoodrat hand gestures and head bobs. what the fuck.

it would be like me trying to fucking act like some scottish hoodlum or something.

[Lex Diamonds]

Yeah, gang signs and nodding were both invented by Americans.

Get the fuck out of here you moron.

[Dorothy Wood]

I'm pretty sure they were.

[Lex Diamonds]

Haha, this is classic!

[TurdBerglar]

you're telling me that they developed these nearly identical nuances about themselves on their own?

they're immitating. their immitating hoodrats.... as if it's a good thing to be a hoodrat... no american is gonna take that shit seriously.

it would be like bunch of american kids trying to be like you're so called chavs.

you'd be all like... what the fuck is wrong with those arseholes!

[Lex Diamonds]

It's so typical of Americans to think people are trying to be like them... believe me the majority of the UK hip-hop scene hate the US, the fact that the culture is similar is because it's all hip-hop.

Seriously, it's like me going "why do American rock bands break their instruments sometimes?? British bands do that! Get your own style!"

[TurdBerglar]

rap and hip hop are a very distinctive american created thing


like jazz and the blues....


if you're playing jazz or the blues you're copying american heritage and culture. same goes with hip hop.

[Dorothy Wood]

okay, padster, educate.

what's the history of UK rap?

when did the head-bobbing and gang-signs come about? how about the clothes, the baggy pants and hoodies?

because that started here in the late 80's/early 90's with gangsta rap. I mean, if UK rap developed at the same time with the same styles, let us know.

otherwise, it's really just rehashing what was done 20 years ago in america.

[Documad]

DW, I've had a rough time at work lately and your posts in this thread made me laugh and laugh and laugh. <3

UK people: Is Peckham a city or a neighborhood in a city? I ask because maybe we should compare it to a neighborhood in Chicago rather than to the whole of Chicago. I wonder if North Minneapolis could take Peckham.

[Dorothy Wood]

DW, I've had a rough time at work lately and your posts in this thread made me laugh and laugh and laugh. <3

UK people: Is Peckham a city or a neighborhood in a city? I ask because maybe we should compare it to a neighborhood in Chicago rather than to the whole of Chicago. I wonder if North Minneapolis could take Peckham.


oh good, :p

and yeah, I didn't make myself very clear by mucking things up with crime stats from the whole of chicago, but the link I put to dangerous neighborhoods was meant to imply that there are certain neighborhoods in chicago that are considered the most dangerous in the country. So I was comparing that to Peckham (and what little I know of it).

We made the list 4 times! eek.

here's the list:

Cincinnati, Ohio (Central Pky./Liberty St.)
Chicago (State St./Garfield Blvd.)
Miami, Fla. (7th Ave./North River Dr.)
Jacksonville, Fla. (Beaver St./Broad St.)
Baltimore (North Ave./Belair Rd.)
Kansas City, Mo. (Bales Ave./30th St.)
Memphis, Tenn. (Warford St./Mount Olive Rd.)
Kansas City, Mo. (Forest Ave./41st St.)
Dallas, Texas (Route 352/Scyene Rd.)
Richmond, Va. (Church Hill)
Memphis, Tenn. (Bellevue Blvd./Lamar Ave.)
Dallas, Texas (2nd Ave./Hatcher St.)
Springfield, Ill. (Cook St./11th St.)
St. Louis (14th St./Dr. Martin Luther King Dr.)
Little Rock, Ark. (Roosevelt Rd./Bond St.)
Philadelphia (Broad St./Dauphin St.)
Tampa, Fla. (Amelia Ave./Tampa St.)
New York City (St. Nicholas Ave./125th St.)
Chicago (66th St./Yale Ave.)
Baltimore (Orleans St./Front St.)
Cleveland (Cedar Ave./55th St.)
Orlando, Fla. (East-West Expy/Orange Blossom Trl.)
Detroit (Mount Elliott St./Palmer Ave.)
Chicago (Wallace St./58th St.)
Chicago (Winchester, Ave./60th St.)
also, I don't mean to imply that I'm proud of it, I wish it weren't so dangerous. the neighborhoods listed are all pretty much around the same spot and it's easy to avoid. I think perhaps I've inherited my Grandma's sense of humor, she used to say, "tell 'em you're from Detroit, the murder capital!" ha...umm. :(

[roosta]

so...wait a minute...music from a certain country can only be made by people from that country. and only people from that country can act that way.

yes, that makes sense.

[Loppfessor]

whenever i see people from other countries imitating stereotyped black american culture it makes me cringe. it's worse than seeing a bunch of wigger kids at the mall here at home.

they just look so foolish and it seems so fake and acted out. why are they acting like this? don't they have their own ways? im sure they do. are they just blatantly copying what they've seen on tv? how else would they learned to present themsevles like that...

these people, no doubt, in this video are blatantly copying stereotyped black culture and it's just corny.

you can't take it seriously from an american stand point.

What he said...I've seen this a lot in my travels and it always cracks me up

[Lex Diamonds]

when did the head-bobbing and gang-signs come about? how about the clothes, the baggy pants and hoodies?

because that started here in the late 80's/early 90's with gangsta rap. I mean, if UK rap developed at the same time with the same styles, let us know.
Yeah, it did. Our government were smart enough to outlaw handguns around that time though, so shit stayed underground.

[funk63]

Was their a british equivelant of n.w.a. because I wan't to hear that shit.

[Guy Incognito]

Was their a british equivelant of n.w.a. because I wan't to hear that shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_sJmIQrH54(y)

[Lex Diamonds]

Was their a british equivelant of n.w.a. because I wan't to hear that shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfZqQxJise4

Is probably the closest you'll find online. Like I said hip-hop stayed underground so most of it doesn't even exist in recorded form anymore.

[cj hood]

how big were the Wee Papa Girls overseas....cuz here they made a small splash?!?!

[Freebasser]

Ghetto wars.

[camo]

I just like to point out that the UK has no equivalent of Lil Wayne.

[Guy Incognito]

we cant bloody win though. plenty of rap groups in uk have given themselves a uk identity and never been successfull across the pond, some have tried to emulate us style and been accused of copying or not been good enough. I mean even over here rappers have had to make compromises to get successful, dizzee, example. so whatever uk rap does it gets shit from the us.

[TurdBerglar]

so...wait a minute...music from a certain country can only be made by people from that country. and only people from that country can act that way.

yes, that makes sense.

my problem is that their blatantly copying something they have no direct contact with. they're wannabe's simple as that. my problem isn't them making hip hop music. it's the foolish wannabe behavior and how they're presenting themsevles. im sure the UK must have it's own hoodrat ways and culture. why aren't they acting like UK hoodrats?

how can you take that seriously?

i don't take american suburban kids trying to act all ghetto seriously either. they're just copying what they've seen on tv. these people from an entirely different country are trying to act american hoodrat from what they've seen on tv from a DIFFERENT COUNTRY. they have even less authentic contact with the shit they're copying.

can't they be themselves?

[Guy Incognito]

^ i understand what you are saying but its not entirely different. Culturally there have been shared influences for a long time between the two countries.
Its not like the US hasnt tried to ape uk musical style before.

Example off the top of me head: The Monkees.

[b i o n i c]

the monkees, lol

[Turchinator]

I wanna know more about housing projects!

[Guy Incognito]

the monkees, lol

i know it was probably not the greatest example but you surely see my point. direct copy of the beatles.

[Bob]

i don't think turd's talking about music at all though, he's just talking about the way people act. sort of like if americans started talking in english accents and saying aluminium and bloody hell

[TurdBerglar]

uhh

the monkeys are like spinal tap...

it was ment to be a joke.

[Guy Incognito]

yeah i just re-read his post. i'll shut up

edit : or maybe i wont

[TurdBerglar]

i don't think turd's talking about music at all though, he's just talking about the way people act. sort of like if americans started talking in english accents and saying aluminium and bloody hell

exactly

it would be like if we have this music scene where the kids acted like chavs of the UK. would people from the UK take that seriously at all?

[Guy Incognito]

uhh

the monkeys are like spinal tap...

it was ment to be a joke.

meant to be a joke my arse.

[TurdBerglar]

it was a tv show!

[TurdBerglar]

ok

lets take the beatles, the who, the rolling stones, the kinks, the yardbirds, cream, led zep, sabbath... basically the british invasion of the 60's/70's. they all were very highly influenced by american music. they made american music. nothing about their music was very distinctly british. well accept for the beginning in the 60' maybe. they kinda have that quirky british feel to them early on.

BUT

they still acted british...

they were just infatuated and in love with american music but weren't TRYING to be american.

[Guy Incognito]

ok

lets take the beatles, the who, the rolling stones, the kinks, the yardbirds, cream, led zep, sabbath... basically the british invasion of the 60's/70's. they all were very highly influenced by american music. they made american music. nothing about their music was very distinctly british. well accept for the beginning in the 60' maybe. they kinda have that quirky british feel to them early on.

BUT

they still acted british...

they were just infatuated and in love with american music but weren't TRYING to be american.

fair point although i think there was an englishness about some of that music, the kinks for instance. but yes, i agree they were british people playing american influenced music.


i do see your point but if a rap act from uk acted totally british i really dont think they would be taken seriously. I dont think n dubz for example would go down that well in the states and they are supreme chavs.

[Lex Diamonds]

I appreciate what you're trying to say Guy, and a lot of it is right. Culture is simultaneous- sport culture, black culture, drug culture and whatever else develops at the same time all over the world. No one country is responsible for all of it. It's true to say that America led the way as far as hip-hop was concerned, but that doesn't mean anyone's copying them. That's like saying people who play football (soccer) in the US are just copying English people.

Oh and bringing up N-Dubz was stupid. They are not and never will be hip-hop.

[Documad]

it was a tv show!

A TV show aimed at children.

[TurdBerglar]

no culture develops simultaneously all over the world! that's like the complete opposite of what culture means!

any culture develops in a tiny little corner all by itself then slowly spreads within it's boundries!


and the ONLY way it could have spread to your little island is through the media!


that's how the quintessential wannabe learns how to be a copycat. through the media.

[Lex Diamonds]

Hip-hop is (or was) a movement and a feeling, mostly underground, which was most definitely NOT perpetuated by mainstream media. Like I said earlier Afrika Bam and Zulu Nation spent a lot of time in the UK when they were starting out because there was such a good b-boy/DJ scene here.

[TurdBerglar]

so you're saying way back then this hoodrat seed was planted by zulu nation and it grew exactly the same way in both countries coincedentally?

[miss soul fire]

He should have picked me to sit in that big wall in the back. I would say "lalala" and move my feet.

[Lex Diamonds]

so you're saying way back then this hoodrat seed was planted by zulu nation and it grew exactly the same way in both countries coincedentally?
It's not about being a hoodrat you dick, it's about music and the culture around it.

This hip hop- and we a nation
Don't you wanna hear more KRS on your radio station?
Instead of broadcasting how we smoke them trees
On the radio we need to hear more local MCs

[TurdBerglar]

these motherfuckers in this video are presenting themselves as american hoodrats

[Dorothy Wood]

these motherfuckers in this video are presenting themselves as american hoodrats


yes.


it's just a rehashing of gangsta rap, something that developed in California over 25 years ago. it came from a seriously economically depressed area plagued with violent crime. gangsta rap wasn't trying to be anything, it just was. it came out of pure frustration, but it changed most* of their lives for the better, I'd say. Since the big guys are all still rich as hell...the thing is, they didn't know that was going to happen.

now, I don't doubt that there's violent crime and economic depression in Peckham. But if you and your friend are worried about it, why perpetuate it by glorifying it? It looks to me like a lot of people are trying to make Peckham better, according to the internet, there's a big huge award-winning library and artists' studios, wine bars and cafes!

I guess my issue is that the song's called "talking the hardest", from which I can infer that your friend thinks he's the hardest. and based on my experience, I politely disagree. not because I think I'm the hardest, I just know that there are people who are definitely harder.

therefore, the whole thing seems a bit phony. especially when he's selling "talking the hardest" t-shirts. ugh.


anyway, dude has a cool voice and rapping style, I like it. I just think the production and the posturing in the videos is dumb and pretty amateur.






*RIP Eazy-E

[Ghouls_Night]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93HWraYnSFc

[Guy Incognito]

yes.




now, I don't doubt that there's violent crime and economic depression in Peckham. But if you and your friend are worried about it, why perpetuate it by glorifying it? It looks to me like a lot of people are trying to make Peckham better, according to the internet, there's a big huge award-winning library and artists' studios, wine bars and cafes!



Dorothy " i do me research" Wood(y)

Although Peckham has reputation for being pretty rough, even a scummy northerner like me knows that

[camo]

This is the shit that goes down in Peckham. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk24RdfXWcg)

[venusvenus123]

LOL at Padster pretending to be all knowledgeable about Peckham. It's just down (sorry, dahn) the road from me and is not particularly scary, just shabby.

Sure there have been some stabbings there over the last 10+years, and Peckham Estate is notoriously rough, but I go there occasionally (wouldn't go there unless I had to) and (at least) two of my colleagues live there. Neither has witnessed any violent crime.

[Guy Incognito]

This is the shit that goes down in Peckham. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk24RdfXWcg)

without even looking at this link, i am now singing "if you want the best uns and you dont ask questions then bruvva i'm yer man"

[camo]

such is the power of 'Fools.

Needed to show the yanks how we do triggers over here.

[gbsuey]

such is the power of 'Fools.

Needed to show the yanks how we do triggers over here.

Nice(y)

[Lex Diamonds]

LOL at Padster pretending to be all knowledgeable about Peckham. It's just down (sorry, dahn) the road from me and is not particularly scary, just shabby.

Sure there have been some stabbings there over the last 10+years, and Peckham Estate is notoriously rough, but I go there occasionally (wouldn't go there unless I had to) and (at least) two of my colleagues live there. Neither has witnessed any violent crime.
I'm not pretending to be knowledgeable about anything, I know Peckham pretty well.

[mikizee]

Forget Paddy's rapper friends.

THIS GUY's where its at. LOL. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWekPDkxNck)

[jabumbo]

This is the shit that goes down in Peckham. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk24RdfXWcg)


british seinfeld?

[venusvenus123]

I'm not pretending to be knowledgeable about anything, I know Peckham pretty well.
You strike me as a middle class boy from Esher trying to be hard by hanging out with people who come from Peckham.

Telling DW that she wouldn't last 5 minutes in Peckham is a bit funny considering she lives in Chicago.

I have to say when I go shopping there I usually do pack a 9. Or I just swing my shotgun around, Omar stylee.

Seriously though, it's true that there is gun crime there. A lot of the stuff around this area is really depressing ... A boy was stabbed just down the road from me last year. I just get the impression that these sorts of videos idolise and perpetuate gang culture as a lifestyle.

[Guy Incognito]

british seinfeld?

LOL, only in as much as they both went on way too long and ceased to be funny.

They ended the story with them making their fortune and then they came back and it was rubbish.

"got some trevor francis tracksuits from a mush in sheperds bush bush bush bush..."

[camo]

british seinfeld?

Only Fools and Horses mate. It's an old BBC programme and has some pretty classic comedic moments (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63rcdLeXiU8). But as Guy said, it lost it's way towards the end.

[Lex Diamonds]

You strike me as a middle class boy from Esher trying to be hard by hanging out with people who come from Peckham.

Telling DW that she wouldn't last 5 minutes in Peckham is a bit funny considering she lives in Chicago.

I have to say when I go shopping there I usually do pack a 9. Or I just swing my shotgun around, Omar stylee.

Seriously though, it's true that there is gun crime there. A lot of the stuff around this area is really depressing ... A boy was stabbed just down the road from me last year. I just get the impression that these sorts of videos idolise and perpetuate gang culture as a lifestyle.
Esher... LOL. No I'm not from Esher, I went to Esher College though (which isn't even in Esher). Have you been internet stalking me??

I don't see why people have to make these things into a competition. Bad shit happens everywhere in the world, all I'm saying is a girl who dresses/talks/acts like DW would likely get robbed in many parts of Peckham. That's not trying to be tough or bigging anything up, that's just the truth.

[Helvete]

It really isn't anything to brag about, about how shit an area you come from. I grew up in a really nice town and went to a nice school and couldn't be much more middle class. Lived in London for 2 years and went all over SE and never had any trouble.

[Echewta]

$hit, Eye liVs N L.A. fuuls. U scEn? Bladrnnr? Dats hw it Iz now. NeoTokyo Suckz.

[Lex Diamonds]

It really isn't anything to brag about, about how shit an area you come from. I grew up in a really nice town and went to a nice school and couldn't be much more middle class. Lived in London for 2 years and went all over SE and never had any trouble.
Exactly, people shouldn't try and brag about it. I've seen a lot of bad shit all over London but I don't go on about it, it just pisses me off when people talk about it all day. If you've really been through it you keep your mouth shut.

[ericlee]

Paddy, you posted some pics from your family vacation to NY. Looks like you were brought up in a nice upbringing. Your parents seem well off and they work hard.

The kind of person you are portraying yourself to be doesn't seem correct at all. Most of these hardcore rappers never had parents that couldn't even imagine taking a week's vacation 2 states away from where they live.

Sure, it's great to be interested in their music and their struggles but trying to be like them with your background is like being a poser.

You're at the age now where you choose your own path. You're only hardcore if you were brought up hardcore and honestly, I'm sure everyone here knows that's not how it is. I'm almost positive that you don't carry yourself the same way you do here when you visit your family.

[Helvete]

Miami life ain't nothing nice.

[Lex Diamonds]

I'm not portraying myself to be anything. I'm proud of the fact I have seen everything, from the bottom to the top, and I never judge people by their background/income or anything like that. I just hate snobbery just as much as I hate scumbags (if not more).

And just to clarify, I was brought up a lot more by myself than by my mother. My family is small and all but non-existent.

[kaiser soze]

college is gangsta

[Lex Diamonds]

It is compared to some of the shit my friends back home are doing. I'm glad I'm not stuck in that shit, working in warehouses & selling coke.

[pshabi]

I guess my issue is that the song's called "talking the hardest", from which I can infer that your friend thinks he's the hardest. and based on my experience, I politely disagree. not because I think I'm the hardest, I just know that there are people who are definitely harder.


Did you read how fucking retarded this was before you posted it?

[Lex Diamonds]

Did you read how fucking retarded this was before you posted it?
I just wondered if she's ever listened to hip-hop before. Or the direct next line of the song.

[Dorothy Wood]

Did you read how fucking retarded this was before you posted it?

get a life, jimmy buffet.



Pad, I'm done arguing about this. You can't continue to say things like: all I'm saying is a girl who dresses/talks/acts like DW would likely get robbed in many parts of Peckham. That's not trying to be tough or bigging anything up, that's just the truth.

and then act all offended and surprised that I'd want to speak up for myself.

because you don't really know who and how I am in real life. and even when I try to explain what I've experienced, you say I'm talking out of my ass. well, I'm not, and that's the truth. think what you wanna think.

[Lex Diamonds]

On a serious tip, I think the issue here is England has a huge lower/middle/upper class divide (as clearly shown by the general election campaigns) while in America there is pretty much no such thing as a class system, it's all about income or race. This means hip-hop from poor people will sell because rich people buy into a romanticised version of their unfamiliar lifestyles. The whole system in the US makes it a lot easier for the government to keep poor people and minorities (who are traditionally the predominant makers of hip-hop) in ghettos where they will struggle amonst themselves rather than having the poor mixed in with the rich like over here. Our situation makes for some pretty interesting cultural melting pots (ie Manchester, London, Liverpool & Bristol), and it's pretty much impossible to say what is and isn't representative of the nation as far as music goes.

I guess what I'm saying is hip-hop culture is a lot more underground here and so harder to identify with for a lot of people. But you Americans shouldn't hate just because you don't understand.

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[Kid Presentable]

If hip-hop has been one of the most enduring, widely emulated and notable cultural phenomena of the past 30 years, how is it more underground in England specifically? Not challenging your point, just looking for a bit of elaboration on that.

[venusvenus123]

Esher... LOL. No I'm not from Esher, I went to Esher College though (which isn't even in Esher). Have you been internet stalking me??



Oh I dunno, you posted a link to your facebook page a while back and I had a look. Just nosey, I guess, curious about people. I also remember you saying your parents were academics ... so I just presumed you were from privileged background. Esher, academics, you know...

[GreenEarthAl]

I would concur with the view that the USA has a unique level and quality of violence, and all other violence in the world is second rate by a wide margin. By way of example, this link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIiVMe9Sq20) typifies an average morning for an urban US citizen.

[Guy Incognito]

i saw a bit of your boy at glasto, well, i couldnt get that near the tent! It was busy but it sounded ok, i was gonna hang around for tinie tempah but it was getting really crowded and i needed a shit.