Commies! Terrorists! and Republicans?!?

[kaiser soze]

Here's a story vulvano won't be posting nor will the "liberal" media

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/leading-conservatives-call-obama-terrorist-group/

A group of prominent Republicans may have actually committed a crime last month when they traveled to Paris to speak to an Iranian opposition group that the US has deemed to be terrorists.

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge, former national security adviser Fran Townsend and former Attorney General Michael Mukasey all attended a forum organized by supporters of Mujaheddin-e Khalq (MEK).

The MEK is a communist group that helped Saddam Hussein carry out attacks against Iraq's Shiite population in the 1990s. The group attacked Americans in Iran in the 1980s and helped with the 1979 takeover of the US embassy in Tehran.

The US designated the MEK a foreign terrorist organization in January 2009.

So, you think the TSA, DHS, FBI, CIA will pull these guys aside and ask why were they meeting with terrorists?

The same generation of politicians who exploited 9/11 and the wars in the Middle East for political gain and the dissolving of our rights who have also undoubtedly helped with the demonization of muslims in our nation.

Cohorting with a terrorist organization in some perverted form of diplomacy while our soldiers are dying in illegal wars and creating future terrorists ten times over is undeniably treasonous.

This is exactly what a conservative would be saying if the shoe was on the other foot.

[Nicodemus]

I hope you like the boots. Let me know if they don't fit so I can return them.

[saz]

it looks like giuliani & co. have taken their hypocrisy to all new epic heights. how sickening.

[kaiser soze]

You'd think they would consider this a risky move (regardless if this is a terrorist/freedom fighting group) with the Repubs taking the House majority.

But they don't consider these guys a risk considering it was a Democratic Administration that labeled them terrorists, unfortunately we know what happened the last time Republicans played this game.

"If you're not with Us, You're against Us." - GWB

[Whatitis]

A lot of smoke with such little fire.

On July 16, a federal appeals court in the United States ordered the State Department to re-examine a controversial decision to maintain the PMOI on its list of Foreign Terrorist Organisations. The ruling was a major victory for the PMOI in its 13-year legal battle to get off the FTO list.

The United States designated the PMOI a terrorist organization. On January 26, 2009, the Council of the European Union removed the PMOI from the EU list of organisations it designates as terrorist. The group said it was the outcome of a “seven-year-long legal and political battle”. On December 17, 2010, a symposium was held in Washington DC, in which a number of high ranking officials from Bush administration took part. They all called for removal of the MEK from the US terror list as a significant step to neutralize Iran's nuclear ambitions and terrorist threats in the region and also a strong message to the people of Iran who seek freedom for their country. DC Symposium_US Policy_toward_Irancsmonitor

Also, a conference in Paris on December 22 entitled “Camp Ashraf and Policy on Iran”, was addressed by distinguished figures including former New York Mayor Giuliani, former U.S. Attorney General Mukasey, former U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge, and anti-terrorism advisor to President George Bush Francis Townsend. The speakers urged the US State Department to remove the PMOI from the US blacklist immediately.
The PMOI and the NCRI have provided the United States with intelligence on Iran's nuclear program in 2002 and 2008, as well as another secret nuclear enrichment site which was revealed on September 9th at a press conference in Washington D.C. This latest site, Behjatabad-Abyek enrichment site is located near the city of Qazvin.

[Nicodemus]

Did they fit? I know you don't like trying on your outfits, but I need to know if they need to be returned. If you don't like them, I found a nice Winter coat that would look nice on you.

[kaiser soze]

On December 17, 2010, a symposium was held in Washington DC, in which a number of high ranking officials from Bush administration took part. They all called for removal of the MEK from the US terror list as a significant step to neutralize Iran's nuclear ambitions and terrorist threats in the region and also a strong message to the people of Iran who seek freedom for their country

I guarantee their tune would've been different during bush's reign - hell, anti-war protesters, journalists, politicians and other U.S. citizens were tagged as threats (terrorist, no-fly, and the like) - Let us not forget the countless war victims stashed away at Gitmo/Abu Grahib who were not a threat to the U.S. prior and during the wars.

Like I said - the U.S. needs to stop meddling in these Middle East Proxy wars - or we will make another Bin Laden - oh and all that money the Repubs are trying to save the American public will build another enemy and fund the murder of more civilians.

These "freedom fighters" have already proven they are willing do such.

Remember these are Communist freshly branded terrorists - I'm amazed any repub/conservative would consider this a bunch to side with.

This ilk (the savage repubs) don't give a shit about diplomacy - they want war and will stick their dicks into the boiling pot until they get one.....and then it will be the little people who will have to fight for them.

[Nicodemus]

Well? Did you try them on?

[p-branez]

The underlying issue here (go back to the NYT article (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/03/opinion/03cole.html?_r=1) written by law professor David Cole) is the increasingly apparent tension between Congress, the Supreme Court, and the President; most visibly in President Obama's 2010 State of the Union.

"With all due deference to separation of powers, last week the Supreme Court reversed a century of law that I believe will open the floodgates for special interests, including foreign corporations, to spend without limit in our elections," (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KMKD1Mi8o0) as Justice Alito shakes his head.

Obama then called on Congress to pass legislation to "correct some of these problems." His pleas, and those of David Cole's for the reform of humanitarian laws to protect free speech, seem to be lost with the current legislature's focus on health care repeal, "job creation," and "economic growth."

[kaiser soze]

I don't think this was a business meeting in the form of supporting foreign interests in our country and it's politics, or lobbying for special interests that extend beyond our borders....this was another push for war with Iran (undermining this administration's attempts at diplomacy with a volatile nation).

Freedom of Speech in the United States is a Constitutional Right which has it's limitations beyond our borders. One cannot just go out and interact with whom ever they please (including entities who once attacked US interests and have be relabeled a potential threat under the auspices of Patriot Act like preemptive policies) - we are seeing this unfold immensely with the Wikileaks debacle.

Now concerning that article - I will give credit for holding Carter responsible for meeting with Hezbollah but there is a difference between he and some of the individuals that were pointing out in the original article - The indoctrination of post 9/11 policies and exploitation resulting in the damage to U.S. liberties and international relationships...

And that is why this is so damning. If these people actually believed in their principles they would be the last to be coming close to considering meeting with some questionable characters.

Hell, they'd be the first to throw Cindy Sheehan under the bus.

Shit, their supporters wanted Obama to be labeled a terrorist and the incoming House Majority are tagging him the "most corrupt President ever".

[Whatitis]

I don't think this was a business meeting in the form of supporting foreign interests in our country and it's politics, or lobbying for special interests that extend beyond our borders....this was another push for war with Iran (undermining this administration's attempts at diplomacy with a volatile nation).

Really, just what has the Obama admin done diplomatically with Iran?


Now concerning that article - I will give credit for holding Carter responsible for meeting with Hezbollah but there is a difference between he and some of the individuals that were pointing out in the original article - The indoctrination of post 9/11 policies and exploitation resulting in the damage to U.S. liberties and international relationships...

Using 9-11 to fulfill your political slants. Hmmmm


This ilk (the savage repubs) don't give a shit about diplomacy - they want war and will stick their dicks into the boiling pot until they get one.....and then it will be the little people who will have to fight for them.

Villainy...scum....savages...
The troop surge in Iraq could have just kept on moving east into Iran to prove your war theory but....hell, why didn't Bush just bomb the place as a going away present?

[kaiser soze]

Really, just what has the Obama admin done diplomatically with Iran?

Yes it hasn't been a wam pow hug em up moment with Iran, but indirectly Obama has held tight from beating the Iran War Drum and that is enough for now. I'd rather what is currently being done (whether we know if it's much of anything) than a billion dollar war with hundreds of thousands of unnecessary casualties. U.S. diplomacy also rests on how Israel (nukes) and Russia (nukes) and probably China (nukes) come into play.


Using 9-11 to fulfill your political slants. Hmmmm

Just 9/11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVtZGczFdpg&feature=related) Like 9/11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qfQ8RGGlbw&feature=related) Them 9/11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ7-3M-YrdA) :rolleyes:

Villainy...scum....savages... Yeah - whats wrong with name calling? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWzPMQJ6Sj4)

The troop surge in Iraq could have just kept on moving east into Iran to prove your war theory but....hell, why didn't Bush just bomb the place as a going away present?

You think they didn't try it? They had the U.S. and many sitting on the edge of their seats wondering what they were about to do - but then the fucking over of this country starting popping up like pimples and they knew it would be political suicide to start a whole new war.

If you didn't notice - Their new platform is against government waste/spending, saving money for Americans, blah blah. - That wouldn't have flown if THEY started another pre-emptive and most likely an extremely expensive conflict.

Regardless of your arguments these bush era republicans were rubbing elbows with a suspected terrorist group as it is seen by the U.S. government.....you're condoning that?

[Nicodemus]

Well, I lost the receipt. Looks like you're stuck with the boots whether they fit or not.