Tyler The Creator

[senbei]

Frrrrrrrrrrrresh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSbZidsgMfw

[The Notorious LOL]

http://bbs.beastieboys.com/showthread.php?t=95290

[DIGI]

Dude, you live in Cleveland now? Hows that workin out?

[checkyourprez]

the kids are sick. i hope they keep doing it independent no label.

[The Notorious LOL]

"Goblins" is being released thru XL. He signed a one album deal with them.

[checkyourprez]

"Goblins" is being released thru XL. He signed a one album deal with them.

good technique. nothing long term still leaves them with creative control.

[Jiberish]

Glad people are talking about them. I saw the Earl Sweatshirt video like 9 months ago http://www.vimeo.com/12056212 and graphic content aside LOVED the track. the future is now, huh?

[Lex Diamonds]

Frrrrrrrrrrrresh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSbZidsgMfw
That dude is fucked up. To be honest I think these guys have a lot more energy/image than talent or substance, but I'd be happy to be proved wrong. They're basically just a punk version of Taylor Gang.

[Kid Presentable]

Nah they're talented.

[checkyourprez]

That dude is fucked up. To be honest I think these guys have a lot more energy/image than talent or substance, but I'd be happy to be proved wrong. They're basically just a punk version of Taylor Gang.

Nah they're talented.


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[pshabi]

Hate to say it....gotta go w/ padster. Video's cool.

[checkyourprez]

you gotta keep in mind most of this music is teenage kids fucking around. free mixtape after free mixtape, still legit young enough to be called kids in the truest sense of the word.


but there is most defiantly talent there. and some of tylers beats are superb shit put up against anyone putting beats out right now.

the rhymes are funny/creative/immature/big L'ish. but they are most defiantly fresh tho. they are raw and can be raunchy, but its different stuff. subject matter is a nice break from most rappers.

[Lex Diamonds]

They may be "defiantly" talented but they don't warrant the hype they're getting. Most rappers are under 20 when they first break... these guys are just really immature.

Biggie at 17 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5uGcUKtSVE)
Nas at 19 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e13GchfX930)
Big L at 19 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUawT_tl7sg)
Jay-Z at 20 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s89xGjW9Lp8)
Lil Wayne at 17 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO7pUtMZvhQ)

Odd Future attempting to freestyle (age 19+): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-dL8QlYGvc

The reason these kids are getting shine is their image/energy. They're not doing anything special for their age.

That said, they do have beats and the image is interesting enough to last a year or two selling records. They're not going to be anything long-term... just like Taylor Gang.

[Kid Presentable]

Not sure what those links are demonstrating. I'm sure plenty of people were unimpressed with those rappers at that age. The fact that a number of them blew up into something special plays more to a pro-OFWGKTA argument than an anti one.

If you're saying that what they were doing at the same age as OFWGKTA is better, well, hindsight is a wonderful thing. Jay was derided by and large when he came up, and Biggie certainly didn't get his name off that one Bed-Stuy corner freestyle alone. Neither of us can front to having heard Devil's Son when it dropped, so I'd lean towards the hindsight thing, yeah. And that's cool.

If Tyler and crew can keep up the ideas, keep doing their thing, they might go somewhere. I have no investment either way, just glad for a fresh voice. I can see their talent being considered dubious in that same way that, say, Doom is accused of monotony, but the ideas they load into the videos, the music, the identity, the whole crew coming up together; I like it. More specifically, I like to listen to the music, and am not just partaking in the image.

It will turn to hipster crap pretty quickly, I'm sure, but they might flip that in a funny way too. Wait and see I guess.

[Lex Diamonds]

Not sure what those links are demonstrating. I'm sure plenty of people were unimpressed with those rappers at that age. The fact that a number of them blew up into something special plays more to a pro-OFWGKTA argument than an anti one.

If you're saying that what they were doing at the same age as OFWGKTA is better, well, hindsight is a wonderful thing. Jay was derided by and large when he came up, and Biggie certainly didn't get his name off that one Bed-Stuy corner freestyle alone. Neither of us can front to having heard Devil's Son when it dropped, so I'd lean towards the hindsight thing, yeah. And that's cool.

If Tyler and crew can keep up the ideas, keep doing their thing, they might go somewhere. I have no investment either way, just glad for a fresh voice. I can see their talent being considered dubious in that same way that, say, Doom is accused of monotony, but the ideas they load into the videos, the music, the identity, the whole crew coming up together; I like it. More specifically, I like to listen to the music, and am not just partaking in the image.

It will turn to hipster crap pretty quickly, I'm sure, but they might flip that in a funny way too. Wait and see I guess.
The whole point is, no one was unimpressed by these people. They were all pretty much universally acclaimed at these ages, by the hip-hop community and subsequently the music industry as a whole. If you look at what Odd Future are doing, it will sell to certain types of hip-hop heads- namely those too young to remember or those bored with the traditional essence of hip-hop- but like I said it's not going to last long.

I'm not saying they're wack, I've heard a few tracks of theirs I really liked, I'm just saying the hype about them in the last couple of weeks is absolute madness.

[Kid Presentable]

I'm not saying they're wack, I've heard a few tracks of theirs I really liked, I'm just saying the hype about them in the last couple of weeks is absolute madness.

Yeah I hear that - although we've been discussing them for a bit longer than that.


The whole point is, no one was unimpressed by these people. They were all pretty much universally acclaimed at these ages, by the hip-hop community and subsequently the music industry as a whole.

Disagree, as would many. The rest I guess we'll just wait and see on. No big loss either way, if it's not them it'll be someone else we'll discuss.

[checkyourprez]

The whole point is, no one was unimpressed by these people. They were all pretty much universally acclaimed at these ages, by the hip-hop community and subsequently the music industry as a whole. If you look at what Odd Future are doing, it will sell to certain types of hip-hop heads- namely those too young to remember or those bored with the traditional essence of hip-hop- but like I said it's not going to last long.

I'm not saying they're wack, I've heard a few tracks of theirs I really liked, I'm just saying the hype about them in the last couple of weeks is absolute madness.

you are pitting them up what some considering 5 legends in the game. i think the fact that you even need to bring those rappers up to defend your argument speaks volumes in itself.

[Jiberish]

If you look at what Odd Future are doing, it will sell to certain types of hip-hop heads- namely those too young to remember or those bored with the traditional essence of hip-hop- but like I said it's not going to last long.
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Kayne tweeted last night that Yonkers is "the video of 2011". Of course that led to however many thousands of people watching the video and most of them don't "feel" it. So from that point of view, you might be right. It's a fad... But I don't think it will be. These are 12 kids who grew up with hip hop. They grew up making the music and listening to the music. Being bombarded with it. It mutated in their brains and came out like this. and it's kind of punk rock in the way Public Enemy's take on hip hop was which I'm really excited by.


I'm curious, how is this not the "traditional essence of hip-hop"? what would you call the traditional essence of hip-hop?

[checkyourprez]

changing the game imo.


every so often in all kinds of music some one or group sparks a change in the direction of that kind of music. i think this is one of those changes.

[Lex Diamonds]

So in the past few days I've listened to Earl & Tyler's albums and the Radical mixtape, plus a fair few other tracks. I'm gonna put my hands up and say I like a lot of what I've heard- Sandwitches, Earl and Yonkers are all great songs. It seems to me that their huge back catalogue is a massive boost in getting them so popular - people who are just discovering them already have about 12 albums and years of material to check out, which is unusual with breaking artists and obviously working in their favour. So I still maintain that they're not as naturally gifted as the greats I mentioned but their energy and prolificacy is pretty unique and working wonders for them.

The Kanye co-sign is basically a confirmation of what I said. They are being lauded for "the best video" by someone who is incredibly materialistic and notorious for enjoying (not making, unless you count the Runaway vid) synthetic, trendy, disposable "art". The fact he didn't comment on the music itself speaks volumes- surely you want one of the biggest producers in the game to say something about your beats, not just the video you put on top of it months later?

I just wonder how they will progress. Once everyone's heard their old shit and they release their new albums and get rich... where will they go from there? "Changing the game" seems a little facetious to me, and I can't see them working much with other established artists. This is why at first impression I thought they wouldn't go the distance, and I'm still not totally convinced.

Opinion time... It's not cohesive with the traditional essence of hip-hop because it's basically punk in its nature; fuck the system, kill your parents, school sucks etc. True the music is hip-hop by genre but it doesn't adhere to any traditional hip-hop values. Traditionally "hip-hop" is about a movement of knowledge, like-mindedness and unity which is hallmarked by dancing, turntablism, graffiti etc.

Anyway, the debate about what exactly "Hip-hop" is is a stale one and usually a complete waste of time. But yeah, I quite like Odd Future now so whatever. Eat a hundred dicks or something.

[Kid Presentable]

Fuck Mary in her ass

[Lex Diamonds]

Earl is the best lyricist of the group I reckon. I take back the thing about their age, because this is pretty fuckin' impressive for a 16 year old:

Go on, suck it up, but hurry i've got nuts to bust
and butts to fuck and ups to shut and sluts to fucking uppercut
Its OF, buttercup, go ahead, fuck with us
Without a doubt a surefire way to get your mother fucked
Ask her for a couple bucks, shove a trumpet up her butt
Play a song, invade her thong my dick is having guts for lunch

It's a shame he had to go to boarding school or whatever the fuck. Pretty funny though.

[Jiberish]

Opinion time... It's not cohesive with the traditional essence of hip-hop because it's basically punk in its nature; fuck the system, kill your parents, school sucks etc. True the music is hip-hop by genre but it doesn't adhere to any traditional hip-hop values. Traditionally "hip-hop" is about a movement of knowledge, like-mindedness and unity which is hallmarked by dancing, turntablism, graffiti etc.

Anyway, the debate about what exactly "Hip-hop" is is a stale one and usually a complete waste of time. But yeah, I quite like Odd Future now so whatever. Eat a hundred dicks or something.


Other than the fact that I think being punk as fuck is one of the core values of hip hop [look at the early block parties where they tapped into teh city's power supply to power the turn tables... punk rock DIY] we are on the same page. I've really liked a bout half of what I've heard from OFWGKTA . And it's mostly the newer stuff that I've really really liked. I personally can't wait to see what they do next.

[checkyourprez]

So in the past few days I've listened to Earl & Tyler's albums and the Radical mixtape, plus a fair few other tracks. I'm gonna put my hands up and say I like a lot of what I've heard- Sandwitches, Earl and Yonkers are all great songs. It seems to me that their huge back catalogue is a massive boost in getting them so popular - people who are just discovering them already have about 12 albums and years of material to check out, which is unusual with breaking artists and obviously working in their favour. So I still maintain that they're not as naturally gifted as the greats I mentioned but their energy and prolificacy is pretty unique and working wonders for them.

The Kanye co-sign is basically a confirmation of what I said. They are being lauded for "the best video" by someone who is incredibly materialistic and notorious for enjoying (not making, unless you count the Runaway vid) synthetic, trendy, disposable "art". The fact he didn't comment on the music itself speaks volumes- surely you want one of the biggest producers in the game to say something about your beats, not just the video you put on top of it months later?

I just wonder how they will progress. Once everyone's heard their old shit and they release their new albums and get rich... where will they go from there? "Changing the game" seems a little facetious to me, and I can't see them working much with other established artists. This is why at first impression I thought they wouldn't go the distance, and I'm still not totally convinced.

Opinion time... It's not cohesive with the traditional essence of hip-hop because it's basically punk in its nature; fuck the system, kill your parents, school sucks etc. True the music is hip-hop by genre but it doesn't adhere to any traditional hip-hop values. Traditionally "hip-hop" is about a movement of knowledge, like-mindedness and unity which is hallmarked by dancing, turntablism, graffiti etc.

Anyway, the debate about what exactly "Hip-hop" is is a stale one and usually a complete waste of time. But yeah, I quite like Odd Future now so whatever. Eat a hundred dicks or something.

pusha t shouted him out on twitter asking him for beats.


a lot about the birth and growth and hiphop was the african american position within american. what they rapped about whats a reflection of their lives.

and i just think this is more of the same. hip hop started on those foundations. but just because something starts on something doesnt mean it always remains (early american history being an off topic yet classic example). i think Odd Future is just as much hip hop in that sense because they're rapping is a reflection of their lives. and i think that is also a reflection of black americans within america. obama.

[roosta]

i have mixed feelings about these lads.

On one hand, I admire the energy and the creativity they have, and they can certainly flow, but on the other some of the over the top stuff is, well too-over-the-top, specifically the sexual violence and the homophobic stuff.

I guess they are just the latest shock artists - I mean, NWA/Ice Cube, Eminem, Marilyn Manson etc. have all been through this, but some of their stuff is beyond that. It's a logical progression - as we become more de-sensitized to it, you have to push the boundaries - but the constant references to rape are off-putting. At the same time, Necro has been saying this kind of stuff for ages - but with less style (imho)

I probably sound like an old fart now. I grew up on NWA and the likes, with constant references to armed robbery, murder, home invasions etc. and thought nothing of it, but i dunno, the rape stuff is a bit much.

[DIGI]

Go suck your Dad's dick in an attic! :eek:;):p

[roosta]

Go suck your Dad's dick in an attic! :eek:;):p

my Dad thinks I'm an old fart too and will have nothing to do with me... :(

[Lex Diamonds]

Looks like I might have been right about Tyler- Goblin is pretty boring and repetitive. Let's see where he goes from here. They've still got a lot of good material in their catalogue so I'm sure there's a brilliant album to come from them at some point. More Mellowhype and Earl is what we need, let's see what Samoa (http://www.complex.com/music/2011/04/complex-exclusive-we-found-earl-sweatshirt) does to him.

[roosta]

CHecking out "Bastard" at the mo - the more i listen to it, the less shocking it becomes and becomes quite boring. The 'shock' stuff just becomes dull.

Still - it has its moments.