Odd Future?

[Lex Diamonds]

I wonder what the Beastie Boys' opinion on Odd Future Wolg Gang Kill Them All is?

They're getting a lot of hype for their brattiness and "fuck you" attitude in a very similar way to the Beasties did when they were coming up. They're also a group of young punky skaters, just like the B-Boys were.

I'd be interested to hear their thoughts.

[taquitos]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPetFb6MlSY

[Lex Diamonds]

Yeah I know, very cool sample. Someone should ask them about this in their next interview.

[fonky pizza]

no problem. i'll ask them next time we fuck, right?!

ODD FUTURE ODD FUTURE ODD FUTURE FOR YOU

:mad:(n)

[Guy Incognito]

Obviously late to this party but i literally had no idea what you were on about but i have just spent about two hours on other threads in here and on you tube and other sites listening and reading which i think speaks volumes.Great Beats, Original, Compelling, disturbing. and they all look about 12.

[Lex Diamonds]

If anyone else needs an introduction:

MTV Spot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCZD2FBgJKI)
Fuck Tyler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSbZidsgMfw)
FREE EARL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78_loMbmKJ8)

Like Guy said, "compelling" about sums them up. At first I thought they were just some shock tactics group of high school kids but they are so much more... Earl's lyricism is incredible and Tyler's just insanely creative... they're an insanely talented group of kids.

[Guy Incognito]

They just seem to have a very different vision of hip hop to most current artists and it appears to be a very direct and clear vision of standing out and being original and its really refreshing(y)

[easy 3]

Like Guy said, "compelling" about sums them up. At first I thought they were just some shock tactics group of high school kids but they are so much more... Earl's lyricism is incredible and Tyler's just insanely creative... they're an insanely talented group of kids.

Pretty much this.

I'm enjoying everything I've managed to get my hands on so far. It's always refreshing to find some new ish that ticks the right boxes. They've got a bunch of ideas and it'll be interesting to see more depth in time.

Here's to a good future for Odd Future(y)

[easy 3]

They just seem to have a very different vision of hip hop to most current artists (y)

Indeed - it's called hip hop!

[Drusyc]

I cant really speak too much on the rest of OFWGKTA, but Tyler and Earl are definitely legit.

[Brother McDuff]

wow, that tyler the creator vid is really something else. very fresh.

didnt care for the earl one so much. was kinda like jackass meets gravediggaz meets stigmata. unsettling for the sake of unsettling.

but damn, yonkers is just awesome.

[jayjacobson16]

LOL. Swagg me Out? G-BAGE! (Garbage) No one can rap anymore. Just snare rolls and samples of the Beastie Boys' first album. No one has flow either. They are just speaking over a mic about who knows what. Usually about drinking, smoking pot, swagg and fame. I did not listen to all of this however so I would not know what these jokes are rapping about.

[Lex Diamonds]

I did not listen to all of this however so I would not know what these jokes are rapping about.
So shut the fuck up you pindick philistine motherfucker.

[Sir SkratchaLot]

Reminds me of Third Sight.

[Sir SkratchaLot]

Oddly enough
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDwaTe6dVi8&feature=related

[jayjacobson16]

So shut the fuck up you pindick philistine motherfucker.

HAHA! You are hilarious! I listened to enough to know that it sucks. Calm down. That is my opinion based off musical taste and superior skill. I can't help but speak out on this sad song. So continue your life and dont jump out of a window kid.

[Guy Incognito]

That is my opinion based off musical taste and superior skill. I can't help but speak out on this sad song. .

but you only listened to part of one track, i investigated a little further past swag me out and there is a lot of originality there, give those other links paddy posted a go, swag me out is one of the weaker tracks i heard.

[jayjacobson16]

but you only listened to part of one track, i investigated a little further past swag me out and there is a lot of originality there, give those other links paddy posted a go, swag me out is one of the weaker tracks i heard.

There is one guy who is good, but my point was to make fun of the song. The song sounded exactly how I expected too and that's why. I'm not ignorantly saying that they all suck no matter what regardless, but I didn't really want to spend time on some group just to even further back up something I had to say.

[Guy Incognito]

so you arent saying they all suck but cant be arsed to find out if they do suck because you think its gonna suck? that sucks.

[jayjacobson16]

lol. No I just don't care.

[dirtydan11]

Which message board IS this??!! lol

[Guy Incognito]

^ good point. I dont think there is much comparison to when the beasties started other than they are doing their own thing and standing out

[Guy Incognito]

lol. No I just don't care.

thats a bit of a cop out, isnt it?

[checkyourprez]

LOL. Swagg me Out? G-BAGE! (Garbage) No one can rap anymore. Just snare rolls and samples of the Beastie Boys' first album. No one has flow either. They are just speaking over a mic about who knows what. Usually about drinking, smoking pot, swagg and fame. I did not listen to all of this however so I would not know what these jokes are rapping about.

youuuu....dont know what your talking about.

(y)

[Brother McDuff]

thats a bit of a cop out, isnt it?



whatever. bold opinion or not, it seems he just doesn't care for it enough to look into them further. no crime in that. you don't need to make him a believer to substantiate your own taste for it, right? :o

[jayjacobson16]

youuuu....dont know what your talking about.

(y)

or maybe you don't know what I was talking about. I never said thats what they were rapping about. I went off subject and was saying that's what the majority of rap (Pop) is about now. The only thing I said about that song was that it sucked and was stereotypical with sampling Licensed to Ill and the snare rolls.

[Kid Presentable]

whatever. bold opinion or not, it seems he just doesn't care for it enough to look into them further. no crime in that. you don't need to make him a believer to substantiate your own taste for it, right? :o

Dude has actively shitted on anything close to broadening his horizons beyond Beastie Boys since he joined. Not a crime, I know, but you could link up pretty much anything he'd hate on it. So narrow-minded for a young cat. It's a shame.

[jayjacobson16]

Dude has actively shitted on anything close to broadening his horizons beyond Beastie Boys since he joined. Not a crime, I know, but you could link up pretty much anything he'd hate on it. So narrow-minded for a young cat. It's a shame.

Not really I just shit on anything steretypical and poppy. Snare rolls, use of the word swagg, autotune, poopy beats and Lil Wayne. There are many more artists I respect and like but they all come from before the year 2000. My childhood has been full of constant constant radio music everywhere I ran. School, school bus, home, car, friends, tv, internet and every other source. I'm just bitter in this subject, because a lot of the music I listen to came out when I was a baby or to little to enjoy it new.

Now all I get is GARBAGE. Since my last several uses of this board like a year ago music has evolved into even more poop. Now every song has Pitbull in it and has a beat that sounds like a wannabe Tik Tok fused with generic techno. It's not even like they are trying to be musicians but aren't that good or I personally just don't like their music. They are products trying to sound like what's in and are creating an idea on how all pop music should sound.

Everyone is pop nowadays so there is no escaping it. I have watched people I know diss this music and make fun of it, but when all of the "artists" started doing it. Not only did they slowly listen to it, but they went back and started listening to what they were making fun of but not because they thought it was awesome. Hip-Pop is all that there is now. All they do is use 808s with snare rolls, or have some other producer make a bubble gummy beat (Bedrock and Black and Yellow) for them while they rap about pot, popping bottles, MA GIRL or try to represent something to get respect.

They are here to dumb people down. They get paid and fame in return for being idiots. They are not here to create or express anything. Just to get fans and be a product.

Am I wrong? Yes I am. Music must actually be awesome but for some reason I have decided to dislike it even though I am fascinated by the complex production and writing these geniuses unleash on the radio.

[Kid Presentable]

Hip-Pop is all that there is now..

Seriously, you can't think that everybody on this board listens only to shite music. Smarten the fuck up, already.

[Lex Diamonds]

There are many more artists I respect and like but they all come from before the year 2000.
Now every song has Pitbull in it and has a beat that sounds like a wannabe Tik Tok fused with generic techno. It's not even like they are trying to be musicians but aren't that good or I personally just don't like their music. They are products trying to sound like what's in and are creating an idea on how all pop music should sound.

Everyone is pop nowadays so there is no escaping it.
Am I wrong? Yes I am. Music must actually be awesome but for some reason I have decided to dislike it even though I am fascinated by the complex production and writing these geniuses unleash on the radio.
There's no point trying to debate with someone this ignorant. He's obviously happy to live in his little 1999 bubble, so let him.

It's a shame there are people like this on the Beastie Boys' fanboard, they must be pretty disappointed they have followers who are so closed minded.

[Lex Diamonds]

I find it kinda funny that he thinks this is bubblegum pop:

I slipped myself some pink Xanax
And danced around the house in all-over print panties
My mom's gone, that fuckin broad will never understand me
I'm not gay, I just wanna boogie to some Marvin

[Guy Incognito]

The beastie boys have used millions of styles, referenced hundreds of different acts in their music etc. How can someone who is in to the bboys be so blinkered? It doesnt make sense, geezer must be on the wind up.

[jayjacobson16]

lol. Music sucks now. That's it. I'm not stuck in 1999. I'm not ignorant. Music sucks. That's it. I didn't say every artist to come after 2000 sucks now did I? I also never said that people here listen to shit music. I know for a fact that the majority of what is commonly known is garbage. Garbage. Sure maybe there are artists out there that are talented and aren't pop singers, pop rappers, pop rockers but they certainly aren't played on the radio or known. Not that I'm expecting good music to be played on the radio, but that's the music that influences the masses musically and behaviorally. It is also the music you discover the earliest because you hear it your whole life.

I don't care about your opinions and you shouldn't care about mine, but you can't just label me ignorant because I don't listen to wannabe gangster, stereotypical, terrible sounding music. My generation are a bunch of dumbshits. They have no musical talent or inspiration. That's why music gets worse every next Gen. I don't care if you like it, but don't give me shit for making fun of it regardless of what it is because I know that it is poop. Right there I did not just say all music now is poop by the way.

What can you say other than speak on an artist that is not known or less known that you like? I can't imagine anyone defending someone who is really popular because they probably got there by being a product.

Is Lil Wayne the shit? Really? A drugged up industry toy who can't rap, write or produce? Drake? Wiz Kalifa or however you spell it? Who?
Who are you defending? Someone that I don't even know about therefore am NOT TALKING ABOUT? There is no logical answer unless you mis-understand what I am saying again.

Fads are fads. People will always follow them. People are sheep. They will follow all and every fad regardless. Music, clothing, hairstyles. Everything.
That means beats. That means lyrics. That means dances. That means everything. I know what I am talking about. Don't try to act like I don't.

[jayjacobson16]

I find it kinda funny that he thinks this is bubblegum pop:

........

I said bubblegum BEATS. Kinda like black and yellow and Bedrock. you obviously have no idea what I am talking about. I did not say that Swagg me out (assuming thats where that line is from) nor anything else was bubblegum pop.

I'm glad you said that though. Now I just know that you misunderstand everything I'm saying. You are reading it incorrectly. That's the problem. lol.

[jayjacobson16]

The beastie boys have used millions of styles, referenced hundreds of different acts in their music etc. How can someone who is in to the bboys be so blinkered? It doesnt make sense, geezer must be on the wind up.

You know what?
If the Beastie Boys start using lines like this

"set it off in this bitch. Jada Pinkett"

"shake and bake. Ricky Bobby"

"the next level. Super Mario"

where they say a reference and than say the name of the reference source in the same way Drake, Chris Brown, Black Eyed Peas and many others. Than they make beats with digital 808 snare rolls and hat rolls, shitty synth, click sounding kicks, and 808 claps in every song. THAN I will make fun of them as well for selling out.

[Lex Diamonds]

To quote your exact words:

"They are products trying to sound like what's in and are creating an idea on how all pop music should sound."

You really don't know what you're talking about, at all. You seem to be acting as though lowest common denominator pop is representative of all music of the last ten years. I hope you're sitting down because I have big, life-changing news for you: IT'S NOT!

Shocking to learn I know, but 90% of the music you hear on commercial radio is chosen (and often manufactured) to deviate as little as possible from middle of the road, inoffensive white noise. That's a given, something that everybody has known for decades. You're not saying anything new or relevant here.

The fact you're saying ALL music of "your generation" is like that is the shocking thing. It's like you're just happy to think there's no good music being made anymore because it would upset your status quo of hip-hop reaching it's apex with Paul's Boutique and Run DMC being the last real rap stars. This is ignorance, however you want to look at it.

Lil Wayne wasn't always an industry toy. He has been rapping since 1996. This track (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2ScyEG3G-8) has one of the best flows and continuous rhyming I've ever heard.

Wiz Khalifa became famous through word of mouth and an online fanbase. This track (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMH7L1_lPVs) is one of my favourite hip-hop records of the last 5 years.

Drake... he had his charm, once. He is a triumph of style over substance but so were many of the great pop acts of the 80's and 90's.

All three of these acts are now garbage, I will agree with you 100% on that. This is called "selling out", and it is nothing new. Many of the great groups of the 60's, 70's and 80's did it yet they are still universally regarded as legends. I'm not saying Wiz Khalifa & Drake will be remembered as hip-hop legends (that idea is laughable), but I'm saying your lack of willingness to seek out good music coupled with your blinkered view on the music industry means that acts don't filter through to you until they've been filtered through the whole watered down, bland mass appeal pop music executive "machine".

In 10 years you will be one of those middle-aged dorks who only listens to their parents' music and is unable to have any kind of coherent discussion on the art or culture.

If you don't listen to the links I've included in this post and at least give a critical explanation of why they are "garbage", you will have proved my point.

[Lex Diamonds]

You know what?
If the Beastie Boys start using lines like this

"set it off in this bitch. Jada Pinkett"

"shake and bake. Ricky Bobby"

"the next level. Super Mario"

where they say a reference and than say the name of the reference source in the same way Drake, Chris Brown, Black Eyed Peas and many others. Than they make beats with digital 808 snare rolls and hat rolls, shitty synth, click sounding kicks, and 808 claps in every song. THAN I will make fun of them as well for selling out.
So you're saying "everything I do is funky like Lee Dorsey" and "I got more action than my man John Woo" are somehow more valid than the things you've quoted? Can you explain why?

[jayjacobson16]

To quote your exact words:

"They are products trying to sound like what's in and are creating an idea on how all pop music should sound."

You really don't know what you're talking about, at all. You seem to be acting as though lowest common denominator pop is representative of all music of the last ten years. I hope you're sitting down because I have big, life-changing news for you: IT'S NOT!

Shocking to learn I know, but 90% of the music you hear on commercial radio is chosen (and often manufactured) to deviate as little as possible from middle of the road, inoffensive white noise. That's a given, something that everybody has known for decades. You're not saying anything new or relevant here.

The fact you're saying ALL music of "your generation" is like that is the shocking thing. It's like you're just happy to think there's no good music being made anymore because it would upset your status quo of hip-hop reaching it's apex with Paul's Boutique and Run DMC being the last real rap stars. This is ignorance, however you want to look at it.

Lil Wayne wasn't always an industry toy. He has been rapping since 1996. This track (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2ScyEG3G-8) has one of the best flows and continuous rhyming I've ever heard.

Wiz Khalifa became famous through word of mouth and an online fanbase. This track (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMH7L1_lPVs) is one of my favourite hip-hop records of the last 5 years.

Drake... he had his charm, once. He is a triumph of style over substance but so were many of the great pop acts of the 80's and 90's.

All three of these acts are now garbage, I will agree with you 100% on that. This is called "selling out", and it is nothing new. Many of the great groups of the 60's, 70's and 80's did it yet they are still universally regarded as legends. I'm not saying Wiz Khalifa & Drake will be remembered as hip-hop legends (that idea is laughable), but I'm saying your lack of willingness to seek out good music coupled with your blinkered view on the music industry means that acts don't filter through to you until they've been filtered through the whole watered down, bland mass appeal pop music executive "machine".

In 10 years you will be one of those middle-aged dorks who only listens to their parents' music and is unable to have any kind of coherent discussion on the art or culture.

If you don't listen to the links I've included in this post and at least give a critical explanation of why they are "garbage", you will have proved my point.

For one thing I don't like offending what people like, but when the only material a rapper can write is about cars, women and pot that's usually it for me. As for Lil Wayne. His voice I cannot stand. The rhymes in that song weren't bad epecially if it were a freestyle but I cannot take this man seriously.

Hip Hop became screwed over when gangster rap turned into "Gangsta" rap. Than became "metal teeth gangster rap" than they took the gangster out and began rapping strictly about pot, money and women. Now the kids who want to rap only want to rap about what they hear in pop music. No one tries to produce their own work because they find no use in making their own beats when they can have someone else do it. No one raps about true things, and when they try to be all serious then end up trying to act like life is all hard and that they live in the ghetto when they don't.

I grew up my whole life with wannabe gangsters and emos and pop music shoved in my ears. I am one of the only people I know who hasn't been influenced to do something I didn't want to do or follow some fad or dance or whatever. I never have. I didn't even realize that till later.

I have no problem with different styles or things I disagree with in music or whatever.

[Lex Diamonds]

Then you just don't know the right kind of people, man. If you like real music then find a group of people that also like real music and you can all share and discuss it with each other.

Not everyone panders to some 60 year old record label executive's idea of what hip-hop should be. I completely agree about the commonly perceived form of hip-hop as this gangsta grillz & iced-out rimz shit being bullshit. But this is the internet age, it's very easy to look past that shit and more and more people are. I know barely anyone that listens to music from the charts, and I honestly haven't seen a hip-hop artist rocking grills for more than 5 years.

And in terms of the lyrical content, some of the best hip-hop tracks are about money, women, cars & weed. The Beastie Boys launched a career off that (Licensed To Ill), so you can't really take issue with a song about those things.

[jayjacobson16]

So you're saying "everything I do is funky like Lee Dorsey" and "I got more action than my man John Woo" are somehow more valid than the things you've quoted? Can you explain why?

Drake started this weird fad with people saying a rhyme with a reference than just saying the reference's source.

A Drake way to say one of those would be something like.

"Drizzy Drake is Funky.....(Pause) Lee Dorsey."

or

"Action....(Pause) John Woo"

Everyone does that now for some reason. Not just a reference in general.

[jayjacobson16]

And in terms of the lyrical content, some of the best hip-hop tracks are about money, women, cars & weed. The Beastie Boys launched a career off that (Licensed To Ill), so you can't really take issue with a song about those things.

True but even though I love that album I still don't listen to it as much as the rest. I don't not listen to music because of things I disagree with, but I just prefer a more artistic attempt at lyrics such as the rest of their albums. That's why I don't have a problem with lyrics about pot and stuff because im pretty sure every one of them smoked pot so they can rap about what they like but I just don't like when an artist never really grows up and just talks about the same shit that made them famous every album.

[Lex Diamonds]

Hip Hop became screwed over when gangster rap turned into "Gangsta" rap. Than became "metal teeth gangster rap" than they took the gangster out and began rapping strictly about pot, money and women. Now the kids who want to rap only want to rap about what they hear in pop music. No one tries to produce their own work because they find no use in making their own beats when they can have someone else do it. No one raps about true things, and when they try to be all serious then end up trying to act like life is all hard and that they live in the ghetto when they don't.
You have just explained exactly why Odd Future are so great.

[manwich]

Jay isn't talking about Odd Future, clearly he doesn't know anything about them (no offense Jay) but they stand for everything that is NOT mainstream and pop. I don't really like their stuff, but it is raw as hell and Tyler's lyricism is undeniable. Jay please please listen to the track Bastard. Tyler produced it and (obviously) rhymes. He is, I feel, a lot better than the rest of the crew (which, now that the critics are getting a hold of their stuff, is what a lot of folks are saying.

Song really starts at 46 secs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFTLouiUFjI

[Brother McDuff]

it amazes me sometimes how personal some people take another person's incapacity. no offense to anybody involved here, truly, but does it really bother you that much that some bitter, ignorant kid doesn't recognize the reality of modern music? Sure he talks some shit, but he's pretty much alone on that (around these parts at least). It really is his loss, but it shouldn't be yours. I used to get worked up over these kinds of people too, but it's really not worth it. Take reassurance in the fact that you get it, but don't waste your time on a lost cause; instead turn up the volume and indulge in your own good tastes. (y)

[Micodin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPetFb6MlSY

The Cool Kids flipped this sample on Oscar The Grouch a couple years ago and did it better.

[RichieT.]

Jay isn't talking about Odd Future, clearly he doesn't know anything about them (no offense Jay) but they stand for everything that is NOT mainstream and pop. I don't really like their stuff, but it is raw as hell and Tyler's lyricism is undeniable. Jay please please listen to the track Bastard. Tyler produced it and (obviously) rhymes. He is, I feel, a lot better than the rest of the crew (which, now that the critics are getting a hold of their stuff, is what a lot of folks are saying.

Song really starts at 46 secs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFTLouiUFjI

Not to get involved in the bickering going back and forth on this thread, but I did give the track "Bastard" a listen and def appreciated the rawness. Fully admit I didn't know shit about the group before, I do my best on finding new music, but with 2 kids, sometimes that goes by the wayside. Try it, you might like it!

[jayjacobson16]

You have just explained exactly why Odd Future are so great.

I wasn't refering to them. I stopped talking about them after my second post. I dissed the song because I thought the song sucked. Not the whole group or people officially. The rest was about music in general.

[easy 3]

Like some other people, I've been feeling a bit like a late arrival to Odd Future's party and was a bit put off at first (I remember being a bit put off the first time I saw Gravediggaz and Onyx too, both of whom I grew to love).

For anyone else like me that's encouraged by what they've heard and are keen to hear more, then Bitchpork have conveniently put together a summary thing of the main Oddfuture mixtapes. Thay are/were all available via the Oddfuture tumblr, but some of the links were a bit old, and this article gives a bit more introductory info:-

http://pitchfork.com/features/articles/7940-odd-future-mixtapes/

[Guy Incognito]

Like some other people, I've been feeling a bit like a late arrival to Odd Future's party and was a bit put off at first (I remember being a bit put off the first time I saw Gravediggaz and Onyx too, both of whom I grew to love).

For anyone else like me that's encouraged by what they've heard and are keen to hear more, then Bitchpork have conveniently put together a summary thing of the main Oddfuture mixtapes. Thay are/were all available via the Oddfuture tumblr, but some of the links were a bit old, and this article gives a bit more introductory info:-

http://pitchfork.com/features/articles/7940-odd-future-mixtapes/

nice one, this helps a lot(y)

[Lex Diamonds]

Not as much as listening to them yourself.

[Guy Incognito]

Not as much as listening to them yourself.

which is what i am doing now, i just needed a concise guide as to what was available and what its like, i was getting a bit lost in it all, there's loads.

[Lex Diamonds]

Furry muff, someone from a different hip-hop site hooked me up with all their albums from the get go so I just skipped around them looking at explanations of the members and shit while I listened. My favourites are Earl, Bastard & the MellowHype albums. Mike G and Frank Ocean are both pretty awesome if you're in the right mood, too.

[checkyourprez]

which is what i am doing now, i just needed a concise guide as to what was available and what its like, i was getting a bit lost in it all, there's loads.

all over your titties.

[Guy Incognito]

brilliant

[camo]

Good stuff, avoiding templates and such.

I think the Beasties would be pretty hip to how bugged out they are (no ref to the Yonkers vid there kiddies).

Also speaking of bugged out does anyone agree with me when I say that Tyler kind has that crazy kinda look Eyedea has when he was playing live?

[pshabi]

Jay keeps hatin' on Wayne and his "bubblegum beats"....fine if you wanna. But if the Bboys woulda dropped a single over that "6 foot 7 foot" beat he woulda creamed his jeans. We all would've.

[jayjacobson16]

That beat doesn't suck or anything. It's really basic, but it's not a bubble gummy Bedrock beat.

[Kid Presentable]

Welp, MCA is at SXSW and Tyler performed there, so there is an off-chance he now has an opinion (if he didn't already) on OFWGKTA.