anybody notice...?

[Brother McDuff]

maybe its just me, but now that I recall, I can't say I heard any samples or anything that sounded like one in those snippets from amazon (or on the tracks we've gotten already) on HSCP2. frankly, im surprised it took me, or any of use for that matter, this long to even realize that this record may be the very first beastie album to shy away from samples altogether (sans TMU, of course). sampling themselves doesn't count either.

I suppose that little scratched element in the hook of MSN may be a voice sample, but even that could just be the bboys themselves.


either way, it's got me thinking. am I alone on this?

[jayjacobson16]

Yeah I noticed that. Unless Pop Your Balloon samples anything. Didn't they say they were sampling obscure records or something like that in an old ass interview. If so than maybe the songs that have samples are what was gonna be HSCpt2.

[dave790]

yeah, i've read interviews where they said they had sampled a fair bit on the record, but really obscure bits and pieces from all over.

[cj hood]

shoe string budget...

[Brother McDuff]

Didn't they say they were sampling obscure records or something like that in an old ass interview.


yes, Jay, they did. thanks for reminding me. god that was forever ago.

sounds like they are just taking tidbits then, for it certainly doesn't sound like they are crafting songs around significant loops as they have in the past.










fuck, is it the 3rd yet!?!

[dirtydan11]

Man I hope they used my golden ticket 7" on this album. It would definately be the awesomest thing I own.

[Beat C]

I hope they use samples form old vintage good music that I have never heard of till they sample it.

When I was 13 I remember hearing the Blues Project song "Flute Thing" on a Monterey Pop Festival box set that broadened my musical interests in a profound way.

If you like flute thing you might enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLKouiOa0pQ&feature=related

[pshabi]

In "Crazy Ass Shit" is the reggae type shit after...."I don't have anything else except...." done by yauch or a sample from something. Kinda sounded like him.

[smith7800]

shoe string budget...
That's my guess too.

[Jay Stone]

When heard the snippet of Here's a Little Something For Ya I thought the snares sounded like the snares in Outkast's Ms. Jackson...

[pm0ney]

I dont think its a shoe-string budget for the Beastie Boys, I just think its the record industry in general. Sampling as a mainstream artform is pretty much dead due to the current laws and all that other corporate bullshit. The glory days are far, far behind us. Next time you pop in a Wu Tang, Beasties, Cypress Hill record, appreciate that shit! Cuz you wont hear anything like it ever again.

[smith7800]

I dont think its a shoe-string budget for the Beastie Boys, I just think its the record industry in general. Sampling as a mainstream artform is pretty much dead due to the current laws and all that other corporate bullshit. The glory days are far, far behind us. Next time you pop in a Wu Tang, Beasties, Cypress Hill record, appreciate that shit! Cuz you wont hear anything like it ever again.
Good point, but their budget can't be that big. I think most musicians rent studios for small periods of time as opposed to setting up camp in them. That, combined with declining record sales and ridiculous costs of samples, keep the samples to a minimum.

[facedownfall]

Good point, but their budget can't be that big. I think most musicians rent studios for small periods of time as opposed to setting up camp in them. That, combined with declining record sales and ridiculous costs of samples, keep the samples to a minimum.

They have their own studio though, O-Scope! Well we haven't heard the full tracks yet so there might be some samples. Didn't the Bob Dylan sample get tossed? I'm thinking maybe it wasn't cleared so Yauch just rapped "the pump don't work because the vandals took the handle".

[taxiology]

@ BeatC

Bump on "Flute Thing." I stumbled across Blues Project in a dollar bin, also about 13, got really psyched when I recognized that riff.

[Beat C]

In the last year I bought Eugene MC Daniels "Headless Heroes of the Apocalypse" re-issue, because I liked the cover. I had no clue the beasties sampled "the lord is back."

I like to imagine that at one of the Beasties Boys totally freaked out on that album. The messages in the lyrics seem like they could have influenced MCA.

[jayjacobson16]

They have their own studio though, O-Scope! Well we haven't heard the full tracks yet so there might be some samples. Didn't the Bob Dylan sample get tossed? I'm thinking maybe it wasn't cleared so Yauch just rapped "the pump don't work because the vandals took the handle".

I think they said that the Bob Dylan sample is on what was going to be HSC Part 2.

[Brother McDuff]

In "Crazy Ass Shit" is the reggae type shit after...."I don't have anything else except...." done by yauch or a sample from something. Kinda sounded like him.

pretty sure that's him.


I think they said that the Bob Dylan sample is on what was going to be HSC Part 2.

the Dylan sample wasn't in fact a sample from his music. it was a snippet of Bob introducing no 'Sleep Til Brooklyn' on his radio show. i imagine the rights to such aren't nearly as hairy as copyrighted music.

I forget where that information surfaced; I remember it seeming dependable though. anyone?

[Kid Presentable]

If this is the 'anybody notice...?' thread, then did anybody notice:

The start of Tadlock's Glasses has a stressed-out and distorted sample of the boys saying 'New Yawk Citaaay' from the Lisa Lisa routine? Meaning the album would have been cyclical under its old tracklist. Which is kinda cool.

Also (this one is a bit of a stretch I admit, very subjective), the dusty MCA vocal that constitutes your 'Party on the left/b-boys in the cut/man that's all I got/pop-pop your balloon' elements sounds like it came from just one long session of him spitting shit at the mic which they then went and sampled and peppered over various songs?

[Guy Incognito]

beasties on a budget? i think a 30 minute film with loads of heads in it says otherwise. I dont think that was in plan when they were recording album so i dont think money is a factor.
I dont even think it will have been a concsious decision more an organic one. TMU may have shown them they can create the sound they want without resorting to samples. It probably improved them as muscians as well.
Plus, lets face it, they have done it to death. They produced the most sampletastic album and they dont have to prove themselves on that score anymore. I just think that, like TMU and TT5B, they are trying to do different stuff and keep moving forward.

[Brother McDuff]

The start of Tadlock's Glasses has a stressed-out and distorted sample of the boys saying 'New Yawk Citaaay' from the Lisa Lisa routine? Meaning the album would have been cyclical under its old tracklist. Which is kinda cool.

Damn, Kid, way to use your noggin. Great catch. (y) Further research confirms that the 'Lisa Lisa Routine' used to be attached to the end of the previous album closer 'Here's A Little Something For Ya":

17. Here’s A Little Something For Ya

Initial bass burps raise eyebrows – are the Beasties about to follow Snoop Dogg into dipping tentative toes into dubstep? Once that opening has passed, however, it’s more familiar ground: playful rhymes, a terrace refrain, an organ breakdown, followed by what appears to be an untitled secret outro, proudly shouting out New York City with hands on hearts.

Hence the original record ended with that very NY shout out.

nice work, p.


Also (this one is a bit of a stretch I admit, very subjective), the dusty MCA vocal that constitutes your 'Party on the left/b-boys in the cut/man that's all I got/pop-pop your balloon' elements sounds like it came from just one long session of him spitting shit at the mic which they then went and sampled and peppered over various songs?

i don't doubt that most of those came from Yauch horsing around on the mic, though to assume that it was all from one golden sitting, well, as you said, sounds like a stretch. but hey, who's to prove or disprove anything regarding this, right?

[dave790]

Yeah, Kid P's post means it's inevitable I will try the record out with it's original tracklisting. Bound to be interesting!

I can't really see the budget thing being a problem. It was mike in an interview who said they were just having loadsa fun playing music but also scanning the world for some crazy samples. There are several songs on TT5B built solely around a huge sample (RRNN, TT, AOLTNYC)... I don't think money is a problem.

[Monsieur Decuts]

If this is the 'anybody notice...?' thread, then did anybody notice:

The start of Tadlock's Glasses has a stressed-out and distorted sample of the boys saying 'New Yawk Citaaay' from the Lisa Lisa routine? Meaning the album would have been cyclical under its old tracklist. Which is kinda cool.

Also (this one is a bit of a stretch I admit, very subjective), the dusty MCA vocal that constitutes your 'Party on the left/b-boys in the cut/man that's all I got/pop-pop your balloon' elements sounds like it came from just one long session of him spitting shit at the mic which they then went and sampled and peppered over various songs?

P, you're a quality poster...

Sounds like they were setting up for a PB type intro matches outro thing?

[Sir SkratchaLot]

My guess is that it's not paying up front for the samples that's the issue, it's the frivolous lawsuits. For some reason the Beasties have a huge target on their back when it comes to getting sued over samples. Even when they win they end up paying 1/2 a mil in legal fees to defend themselves. I wonder whether the Rapper's Delight thing with Tripple Trouble wasn't the last straw for them. You know, they do everything they can to clear the sample and still get sued.

[Guy Incognito]

. For some reason the Beasties have a huge target on their back when it comes to getting sued over samples.

i think that reason might be their second album r kid.

[dave790]

My guess is that it's not paying up front for the samples that's the issue, it's the frivolous lawsuits. For some reason the Beasties have a huge target on their back when it comes to getting sued over samples. Even when they win they end up paying 1/2 a mil in legal fees to defend themselves. I wonder whether the Rapper's Delight thing with Tripple Trouble wasn't the last straw for them. You know, they do everything they can to clear the sample and still get sued.

well, there's only the newton pass the mic case that actually went to to court (right?). which they won convincingly. i didn't think anything actually came out of the triple trouble thing, just sugarhill kicking off over nothing and wanting a quick buck. obviously paul's boutique isn't a problem due to its time of release...so i don't think they're too concerned over samples.

[benchillin]

my mom was already telling me that sum1 wuz sayin it was like pauls meets check ur head...but from what ive heard it is all just like ill comm(y)..

[Sir SkratchaLot]

well, there's only the newton pass the mic case that actually went to to court (right?). which they won convincingly. i didn't think anything actually came out of the triple trouble thing, just sugarhill kicking off over nothing and wanting a quick buck. obviously paul's boutique isn't a problem due to its time of release...so i don't think they're too concerned over samples.

First there was the Cookie Puss thing, where they avoided suit only because the son of the Carvelle owner thought the Beastie's were cool. Then they sued an Airline over using their track in a commercial and actually won that.

Then LTI: Hold it Now Hit It.
"In the 1980's, the Beastie Boys faced a copyright-infringement suit over this song for allegedly lifting the words "Yo Leroy" and some drum beats from Jimmy Castor's 1977 single, "The Return of Leroy (Part One)." Chuck Ortner, the lawyer who represented the Beastie Boys label Def Jam Recordings, said that even if the Beasties did sample from Castor, the band was protected in part by the fair-use doctrine of the 1976 Copyright Act, the same doctrine that allows a teacher to photocopy an article for a class."

CYH: The whole Newton v. Diamond case. Huge disaster from a cost of defense thing. Yauch had a long and bitter post on this.

To the 5-Boroughs:
"The Sugar Hill Gang sued the Beastie Boys on Tuesday, accusing their fellow rappers of illegally using portions of Sugar Hill's "Rapper's Delight" on their new CD, "To the 5 Boroughs."
The suit, filed in Manhattan federal court, says the Beastie Boys' song "Triple Trouble" infringes the Sugar Hill Gang's copyright. The Beastie Boys "credited the sample on the album but they never had a license," said the Sugar Hill Gang's attorney, James Cinque"

You can bet that anytime suit is filed, money is being spent, and when the lawyers have a high profile client they aren't pulling punches on fees. If I remember right Yauch commented on that as well. Saying they were using Reason in part on To the 5 Boroughs to avoid more bullshit suits and that they still got sued. Somebody else might remember more that one but that's my (vague) recollection.

So, almost every other album they put out they're dealing with a lawsuit.

Based mostly on MCA's comments, I got the impression that they've just gotten fed up with it. You never know though, maybe they're just trying new things and it has nothing to do with the past suits.