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[Brother McDuff]

This thread is our subconscious, BBMB.

Offer your thoughts, PLEASE.



This functions as an outlet for those stray allusions that are worth mentioning, though not always qualified or facilitated by/for the common thread.

The goal isn't so much debate as it is 'food for thought' type observations, though discussion is certainly encouraged.




Some random/example thoughts:


- HSC Vocals = IC Distortion + HN delays

- sounds like mixmaster mike is on vacation. got the feelin that adamx2 has reclaimed turntable duties. Yauch's "terminator-style" has reared it's head more than once now

- "Lee Majors" kinda reminds me of "Soba Violence", and "Say It" equally "Resolution Time"

- as one poster already noted:

HSC = 'appropriate swan song' or 'return to form'?


- does the Bob Dylan sample the bboys spoke of implicate Yauch's recurring "Subterranean Homesick Blues" references, or Bob's "No Sleep 'til Brooklyn" intro as exhibited on his radio show?





share your random, orphan thoughts. be as philosophical, mathematical, abstract, or spiritual as you want


once again, fuck debate, just offer something to ponder...






WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND?

[Laver1969]

Have I totally missed it, but there's no one that thinks this is going to suck based on the snippets? There's no drama. There's just been discussion on the finer points of how good or awesome HSCP2 is. (y)

[Knuckles]

I like turtles.

[gumkojima]

I like this thread so far.

[pshabi]

What if C-A-T, really spells "dog?"

[DrunkenMantis]

I have always thought that ALIVE was the perfect song, the style, the beat,

the scratching, samples and lyrics, to transition between HN and TT5B.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

turtles are cool

[Michelle*s_Farm]

FFYRR is an ironic spoof of what would have happened to our fave three MC's if they were trapped in their LTI days and did not move on, grow, and experiment as they aged.

Back when PB came out, most casual top 40 fans complained there were too many samples and wondered why the band would not play FFYR live anymore or release another song like that. Thank goodness they moved on and created a varied body of work. btw I love LTI but it did make me smash things when I was youngster ;)

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Most users ever online was 1,461, 06-26-2004 at 10:02 PM.

[Brother McDuff]

I have always thought that ALIVE was the perfect song, the style, the beat,

the scratching, samples and lyrics, to transition between HN and TT5B.

totally. this thought has crossed my mind as well. (y)




p.s. turtles are pretty neat.

[Beat C]

participating in sports can be really positive because any type of group activity (competitive or not) where people bond, learn new stuff, strive to achieve a goal, respect one another, and tolerate differences seems to help people grow be nicer humans.

participating in music can be really positive because any type of group activity (competitive or not) where people bond, learn new stuff, strive to achieve a goal, respect one another, and tolerate differences seems to help people grow be nicer humans.

the simple realization and commonality between these two different activities came to mind spontaneously while chilling with a friend last night.

ps: stumpy the turtle at the nature center is very popular with the kids, they want to know what happened to his amputated leg...its a mystery.

[pm0ney]

Was looking for a place to post this quote from MC Serch from an interview... He's a great guy and has earned his rightful place in hip hop but it just sounds like he was the Beasties bitch back in the day:

HHC: Besides MC Hammer and Vanillia Ice, the Beastie Boys were also one of your arch nemesis, could you explain us why?


S: The thing with the Beasties was that they never really understood us and we tried to be cool with them. I remember going over to Mike D's house and asking him some advice about dealing with Russell. He was really on point with his advise and I really appreciated it. I thanked him and as I was leaving he started laughing and throwing things at me. I was like, looking at him and just wondering what his problem was. Then in Spin magazine like a few months later he was being interviewed and was asked about 3rd Bass. Mike D said that I came to his house and he started throwing shit at me. That is when we went and wrote "Sons Of 3rd Bass". Right after we read that article. I remember though that the funniest thing happened right after the album came out and we were in the tabloid beef period. Pete Nice was going to get his haircut and was sitting next to Ad Roc. Pete never stepped to him and Ad Roc never stepped to Pete. They just sat there and got their respective haircuts. The next thing we know is that there is an article about the beasties in some mag and Ad roc says that he saw Pete and Pete didn't say shit to him. Making it sound like Pete was shook. I have never seen any of those dudes except for MCA and I always gave him love. Those were great times and I wish I would have had a better grasp on shit. I made mistakes as a youth and I am sorry for those mistakes and beefing with the Beasties is one of those mistakes. They are good dudes and they love hip hop and love music.

edit: And another random thought... Jimmy James is the best beat the Beastie Boys have ever done.

[MCScoobyT]

I was hoping for a hardcore song or two on HSC.

[pip07]

This sounds cynical, but I feel like Yauch's health made HSC a better album

[pm0ney]

Well he definitely sounds better than he has in...well, two decades?

[JoLovesMCA]

Speaking of Yauch and the album. I read somewhere that his lyrics were in reference to what he was going through with his health but is my understanding these songs were made before all of that happened with him. I wonder if when they were remixing he ended up changing a lot of the lyrics he had written before. Yauch has always wore his heart on his sleeve so I am just really looking forward to what he's written on HSC. :o

[Brother McDuff]

This sounds cynical, but I feel like Yauch's health made HSC a better album

I don't think that's cynical at all. in fact, in my initial post of this thread I was originally going to address something along those lines.

I wonder how the bboys' outlook on making records has changed after the unforseen ordeal/opportunity to come back and improve upon HSC. Are they relieved that they ultimately got to polish it up and realize that maybe the original record wasn't the best it could be after all, or are they simply just indifferent and more or less whatever about it, figuring that they might as well have just continued work on it because it was just sitting there anyway?

[jayjacobson16]

Speaking of Yauch and the album. I read somewhere that his lyrics were in reference to what he was going through with his health but is my understanding these songs were made before all of that happened with him. I wonder if when they were remixing he ended up changing a lot of the lyrics he had written before. Yauch has always wore his heart on his sleeve so I am just really looking forward to what he's written on HSC. :o

I think the old Drowned in Sound review of HSC Part 1 brings up the Yauch lyrics from Long Burn the Fire that the new review brought up thinking it had something to with cancer.

[M.C. Guevera]

edit: And another random thought... Jimmy James is the best beat the Beastie Boys have ever done.

It's a Top 5 Contender, for sure. But, for me, "Sure Shot" and its flute sample is The Best Beastie Beat.

I love the "Jimmy James" music video, though. Always have, ever since the very first time that I saw it. I feel like it's an underrated gem of theirs. It's trippy as fuck.

[Laver1969]

I don't think that's cynical at all. in fact, in my initial post of this thread I was originally going to address something along those lines.

I wonder how the bboys' outlook on making records has changed after the unforseen ordeal/opportunity to come back and improve upon HSC. Are they relieved that they ultimately got to polish it up and realize that maybe the original record wasn't the best it could be after all, or are they simply just indifferent and more or less whatever about it, figuring that they might as well have just continued work on it because it was just sitting there anyway?

Interesting thoughts. I remember watching the Beastiography (i think) back when HN came out. They said they have to give themselves a deadline otherwise they will just continue to tweak the songs forever. So this unforseen ordeal/opportunity granted them another deadline.

[Junker]

It's a Top 5 Contender, for sure. But, for me, "Sure Shot" and its flute sample is The Best Beastie Beat.

I love the "Jimmy James" music video, though. Always have, ever since the very first time that I saw it. I feel like it's an underrated gem of theirs. It's trippy as fuck.

I freaking love Jimmy James too. The original version with the Jimmy Hendrix guitar samples is pure gold.

[Jay Stone]

I freaking love Jimmy James too. The original version with the Jimmy Hendrix guitar samples is pure gold.

All i can say to that is "word!"

As for Yauch tweaking his lyrics, it looks like Too Many Rappers has different lyrics by him. Don't know about the rest of the track

[willis drummond]

Tadlock's Glasses is a cut I'm extremely excited about. Love the druggy warped vocals, feels like it could have had a home on Paul's Boutique.

[Brother McDuff]

Was 'Drinkin Wine' truly intended to be enjoyed backwards as well and entitled 'Wine Drinkin'?

I remember someone mentioning this once, and after trying it it certainly works to that extent. Y'know, all the backwards elements forward and forward elements backwards. I like to think this was intended at least.

[dave790]

Speaking of Jimmy James, I picked up this t-shirt from H&M the other day. Quality.

http://www.hm.com/gb/product/83117?article=83117-A

[JoLovesMCA]

OMG I love that shirt!!!!!! (y)


Oooh I didn’t notice that about Too Many Rappers. Well you know when he is well enough and they do new interviews I would love to know what was changed and the reasons behind it…. I know the new promotional interviews are all from before he was diagnosed, so it’s sorta bittersweet, but I am gonna STAY optimistic.

[JohnnyChavello]

Jimmy James is the best beat the Beastie Boys have ever done.

Yes it is. Which reminds me: not only do I like turtles, I like The Turtles too. So does King Kamanawanaleah and the Royal Macadamia Nuts.

[Brother McDuff]

Yes it is. Which reminds me: not only do I like turtles, I like The Turtles too.

it's all come full circle.

[M.C. Guevera]

You have no idea how much I laughed when I read a comment by some kid somewhere that said that Wacka Flocka Flame and Gucci Mane were "real hip-hop" and the Beastie Boys weren't.

I mean...just...wow. I know that kids these days aren't too knowledgeable about the Beasties, or old school hip-hop in general, but...that...that...was...something. At least if you're gonna use current mainstream guys, use someone like Jay-Z or Lil' Wayne or someone who's actually made a good song or two.

What's next? Someone saying Soulja Boy Tell'Em can rap circles around all 3 Beasties!?!?!?!?

Fuckin' kids these days!

[Monsieur Decuts]

The thing about MSN that completely does it for me is the subtle shit going on in the background...the layering that was missing (imo) from TT5B. The ghostly drags of some sample on the turntable and the muted ughhwe ughhwwee ughhwee ughhwee scratch repeats leading up to the verses. Its these little layers that made PB -> HN staples, and were the value adds for the reissues...i heard things on IC reissue i've never heard before! Its these little things that make albums classics because you can continue to pick out little nuances as time goes on. You just don't get this dynamic in overt electro beats.

[M.C. Guevera]

What song would you guys use to introduce the Beastie Boys to someone? I'd use "Intergalactic". Good beat, danceable, funny music video. It's got all of the ingredients you need.

[Jay Stone]

You have no idea how much I laughed when I read a comment by some kid somewhere that said that Wacka Flocka Flame and Gucci Mane were "real hip-hop" and the Beastie Boys weren't.

I mean...just...wow. I know that kids these days aren't too knowledgeable about the Beasties, or old school hip-hop in general, but...that...that...was...something. At least if you're gonna use current mainstream guys, use someone like Jay-Z or Lil' Wayne or someone who's actually made a good song or two.

What's next? Someone saying Soulja Boy Tell'Em can rap circles around all 3 Beasties!?!?!?!?

Fuckin' kids these days!

WTF is a Wacka Flocka Flame? Maybe I don't really need to know. Damn I feel old now...

[M.C. Guevera]

WTF is a Wacka Flocka Flame? Maybe I don't really need to know. Damn I feel old now...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMtJS8jGnt8

Yeah...this shit's "real hip-hop". Not the Beastie Boys. Apparently.

[Monsieur Decuts]

What song would you guys use to introduce the Beastie Boys to someone? I'd use "Intergalactic". Good beat, danceable, funny music video. It's got all of the ingredients you need.

o man..those aren't the Beastie Boys to me.

Deep Cuts...let them know what they're getting into. Do It, The Move, Stand Together...These are my Beastie Boys!

[Travis Bickle]

Was looking for a place to post this quote from MC Serch from an interview... He's a great guy and has earned his rightful place in hip hop but it just sounds like he was the Beasties bitch back in the day:



edit: And another random thought... Jimmy James is the best beat the Beastie Boys have ever done.

Great find. As a big MC Serch/3rd Bass fan (yeah, I said it), it was nice to read.

[Travis Bickle]

What song would you guys use to introduce the Beastie Boys to someone? I'd use "Intergalactic". Good beat, danceable, funny music video. It's got all of the ingredients you need.

"5-Piece Chicken Dinner?"

[Brother McDuff]

Deep Cuts...let them know what they're getting into. Do It, The Move, Stand Together...


exceptional choices (y)



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"Instant Death" and "I Don't Know" are two of a kind bboy songs. perhaps the only two that exhibit a notable melancholy, emotional vibe.

in a good way, of course.

[Monsieur Decuts]

Isn't this why we love them though...they can be COMPLETELY different things to different people because of their musical aptitude and penchant for trying new things

[pshabi]

What song would you guys use to introduce the Beastie Boys to someone? I'd use "Intergalactic". Good beat, danceable, funny music video. It's got all of the ingredients you need.

Root Down

[M.C. Guevera]

Watching "Fight For Your Right Revisited", seeing all of the cameos, I wonder...do you think the case could seriously be made that the Beastie Boys have reached that elite group of artists/bands that have that widespread appeal? I mean like, that Beatles/Michael Jackson level of widespread likability with fans from all walks of life and of all ages?

[Turchinator]

"Make Some Noise" has serious sports arena potential...
instant crowd energizer

I love Yauch's brain analogy and wonder if it was part of the post cancer writing sessions or not.

are they saying "Don't Stop" in the electronic/scratch part of the chorus?

I like the Passion Pit remix

get well Adam

[Brother McDuff]

Watching "Fight For Your Right Revisited", seeing all of the cameos, I wonder...do you think the case could seriously be made that the Beastie Boys have reached that elite group of artists/bands that have that widespread appeal? I mean like, that Beatles/Michael Jackson level of widespread likability with fans from all walks of life and of all ages?

they're certainly iconic status, if that's what you mean. their catalogue doesn't carry the same emotional punch as artists like the beatles and MJ though (topically), so they can only get so big in the annals of history, if that makes any sense.

[M.C. Guevera]

Yeah, I'm talking more about in terms of iconic status. So many artists, no matter how big they get, get hated on, and yes, even The Beatles and MJ have their share of detractors too. But, like them, the Beasties get an incredible amount of love, respect and admiration that it completely overshadows any hate they might get.

I've said it before, but the Beastie Boys are one of the few bands out there that automatically get that "Fuck yeah! I love them!" kind of reaction each and every time. And it's so subtle, and it really came from out of nowhere, that you never realize just how many people love them and just how many types of fans they have.

[Brother McDuff]

the Beastie Boys are one of the few bands out there that automatically get that "Fuck yeah! I love them!" kind of reaction each and every time. And it's so subtle, and it really came from out of nowhere, that you never realize just how many people love them and just how many types of fans they have.

strangely enough, I think that comes directly from people not really taking them seriously alotta the time. i mean, the boys do a pretty damn good job at masking the intensity of their music with the lightness of their lyrics and persona, therefore the casual music listener (whilst enjoying the tunes) naturally assumed they were a big, albeit catchy, goof and weren't readily aware at just how thoughtful and unique the bboy catalogue is, beyond what they may have simply categorized as cheap thrills. so the general audience never really paid much attention to or thought about the bboys until the next single came out and cracked their head wide open once again. eventually the late bloomers identified the pattern down the line (by the time HN hit) that every time they hear something from the bboy camp it's hot fire.

once people (general audiences) realized it was not a novelty and more than a cheap hit-machine is when they the bboys became royalty.


or not. i may have lost my focus here.

[M.C. Guevera]

Agree Or Disagree: Ill Communication has the best album cuts out of any Beastie album.

"The Scoop", "Do It", "Flute Loop", "Alright Hear This", "B-Boys Makin' With The Freak Freak" = CLASSIC

[pshabi]

strangely enough, I think that comes directly from people not really taking them seriously alotta the time. i mean, the boys do a pretty damn good job at masking the intensity of their music with the lightness of their lyrics and persona, therefore the casual music listener (whilst enjoying the tunes) naturally assumed they were a big, albeit catchy, goof and weren't readily aware at just how thoughtful and unique the bboy catalogue is, beyond what they may have simply categorized as cheap thrills. so the general audience never really paid much attention to or thought about the bboys until the next single came out and cracked their head wide open once again. eventually the late bloomers identified the pattern down the line (by the time HN hit) that every time they hear something from the bboy camp it's hot fire.

once people (general audiences) realized it was not a novelty and more than a cheap hit-machine is when they the bboys became royalty.


or not. i may have lost my focus here.

I still remember wearing my quadraphonic t-shirt at the chinese restaurant I worked at in college and a customer came up to the counter and was like, "Beastie Boys????? Are they still around? They were huge when I was in college." This was late '98!!!!!!!!

L-E-G-E-N-D-A-R-Y

[pshabi]

Agree Or Disagree: Ill Communication has the best album cuts out of any Beastie album.

"The Scoop", "Do It", "Flute Loop", "Alright Hear This", "B-Boys Makin' With The Freak Freak" = CLASSIC

yeah no doubt

[Uru-Nitro]

Agree Or Disagree: Ill Communication has the best album cuts out of any Beastie album.

"The Scoop", "Do It", "Flute Loop", "Alright Hear This", "B-Boys Makin' With The Freak Freak" = CLASSIC

yeah but watch this:
"Unite", "Negotiation Limerick File", "The Move", "The Grasshopper Unit", "Putting Shame in Your Game"
really tough

[Brother McDuff]

yeah, well , watch this:


high plains drifter
sounds of science
3-minute rule
looking down the barrel of a gun
car thief
what comes around
beastie bouillibaisse


:D

[M.C. Guevera]

Paul's Boutique is a creature onto itself. It's put on a pedestal for good reason. I look at the whole album like I would a really good movie or play: You gotta listen to the whole thing from beginning to end to really enjoy it.

[pshabi]

yeah, well , watch this:


high plains drifter
sounds of science
3-minute rule
looking down the barrel of a gun
car thief
what comes around
beastie bouillibaisse


:D

Except LDTBOAG was a single.

[Brother McDuff]

Except LDTBOAG was a single.


are you sure about this? i know there was a video and all, but a single?

[M.C. Guevera]

I think "Shadrach" and "Hey Ladies" were the only singles off of Paul's Boutique. Yauch did the music video for "Looking Down The Barrel Of A Gun" and then tried to give it to MTV on his own, but they wouldn't play it.

[Bank Cashier]

SOOO glad they are back! back in a big way... just glad to be a part of it.

[Brother McDuff]

Yauch did the music video for "Looking Down The Barrel Of A Gun" and then tried to give it to MTV on his own, but they wouldn't play it.


interesting, never knew that. (y)

[Brother McDuff]

i kinda wish mike would simmer down on all the screeching, eeking, high-pitched falsetto lines.

it has it's charm the first coupla times, but i feel like he plays that card a bit too often over the course of this album. kinda cheapens his verses sometimes. long burn the fire especially comes to mind. the adams both deliver explosive verses and then mike's verse, though strong lyrically, kinda breaks the rhythm of the song. all the up and down impedes the flow, i found.

maybe my view on this will change over time, but this element did stick out for me.:o

[pm0ney]

This new album, man... Jesus.


The difference in quality of beats/rhymes/creativity (ie EVERYTHING) compared to TT5B is absolutely astounding. I cant fucking wait to buy it, hear the true quality and just drive around for hours and hours listening until I run out of gas.

[pip07]

This new album, man... Jesus.


The difference in quality of beats/rhymes/creativity (ie EVERYTHING) compared to TT5B is absolutely astounding. I cant fucking wait to buy it, hear the true quality and just drive around for hours and hours listening until I run out of gas.

I like TT5B...

people are making it sound like a bad album lately

[pm0ney]

I kind of forced myself to like it when it first came out because it was the first album of theirs in..6 years? Any B Boy album is better than none. But hindsight is 20/20 and it is by far their weakest album.

4 bars, 4 bars, 4 bars, hook, repeat, MMM scratch break, 4 bars, hook.


Wash, rinse, and repeat 16 times.

The beats all sound like they were made with tin cans. The political stuff about George Bush is already insanely dated. Just not a good look.

[pip07]

I'm with you on the political stuff but 3 the hard way, brouhaha, open letter, triple trouble, rhyme the rhyme well...

really good stuff there

[pm0ney]

Yeah man, I dont think its a bad album. I think its more of like, they set the bar so insanely high and then you wait 6 years...and its just not as good as their old stuff.

[cj hood]

Over 40 tracks were recorded during the HSC sessions...

[Kid Presentable]

I've listened to the replay streams about 20 times and it just gets better each time.

[Monsieur Decuts]

I kind of forced myself to like it when it first came out because it was the first album of theirs in..6 years? Any B Boy album is better than none. But hindsight is 20/20 and it is by far their weakest album.

4 bars, 4 bars, 4 bars, hook, repeat, MMM scratch break, 4 bars, hook.


Wash, rinse, and repeat 16 times.

The beats all sound like they were made with tin cans. The political stuff about George Bush is already insanely dated. Just not a good look.

I wonder how much pull MMM had during the recording sessions....I know Adrock likes his electro, but MMM does as well. Sometimes I think of TT5B as the Beasties + MMM rather than just a Beasties album.

[Kid Presentable]

I wonder how much pull MMM had during the recording sessions....I know Adrock likes his electro, but MMM does as well. Sometimes I think of TT5B as the Beasties + MMM rather than just a Beasties album.

All Mixmaster did on 5B was scratch. That's all.

[ColbyTrio]

All Mixmaster did on 5B was scratch. That's all.

He blows.

[Kid Presentable]

Says the bass player who couldn't pick Off the Grid. Nice.

[Monsieur Decuts]

All Mixmaster did on 5B was scratch. That's all.

what makes you so sure of this Kid? I feel his influence all over this...in a lot of places the scratches are as much as part of the sonic landscape as the drums. Are you thinking the BBoys just made tracks with big holes and asked MMM to fill it in? I doubt it....with Mario out of the picture, i bet MMM had tons to contribute to the overall sound.

[Kid Presentable]

what makes you so sure of this Kid? I feel his influence all over this...in a lot of places the scratches are as much as part of the sonic landscape as the drums. Are you thinking the BBoys just made tracks with big holes and asked MMM to fill it in? I doubt it....with Mario out of the picture, i bet MMM had tons to contribute to the overall sound.

At a minimum there is very little comparison sonically between something like Anti-Theft Device and 5B. Mike did do the cuts on all of TT5B which was a departure, sure.

Mario was around to hit 'record', mix and sprinkle little bits of magic around. And he steered them as a friend. That influence shaped and guided their ideas in a way I will admit was lacking on 5B. But Mixmaster's role was of little consequence to that layer of the process. As harsh as it is, dude is an instrument of sorts on that record.

Yes I think they probably left blanks for him. It would be widely accepted that they composed the beats and shit themselves. I understood it to be known even before the album dropped. If anyone can say and prove otherwise I'd be keen to hear about it. (y)

[Ari-Matti]

what makes you so sure of this Kid? I feel his influence all over this...in a lot of places the scratches are as much as part of the sonic landscape as the drums. Are you thinking the BBoys just made tracks with big holes and asked MMM to fill it in? I doubt it....with Mario out of the picture, i bet MMM had tons to contribute to the overall sound.

MMM did just the skratches. I don't remember where I read it but before the album was released MMM said that he just went to the studio for a couple of days and the tracks were finished and he laid skratches on top of them.

[Monsieur Decuts]

(y)schooled!

[M.C. Guevera]

At least people are still talking about To The 5 Boroughs seven years later. The Mix-Up has been forgotten about by history. *That's* their "They really did that!?" album. Like U2's Pop.

[Turchinator]

i wonder if Charlie Sheen uses MCA as a spiritual advisor, what with the Tiger Claw connection and all...

[pm0ney]

At least people are still talking about To The 5 Boroughs seven years later. The Mix-Up has been forgotten about by history. *That's* their "They really did that!?" album. Like U2's Pop.

Well, its an instrumental album. One that I thought was actually better than TT5B, haha.

[M.C. Guevera]

I didn't even see a music video from The Mix-Up get played on TV until I saw the one for "Off The Grid" on MTV Hits just last week. And that was *only* for a Beastie Boys retrospective.

[M.C. Guevera]

But back to TT5B:

The Beasties have always said that their albums are time capsules of where they were at the time that the albums were recorded, and it's never more obvious than on TT5B. Which, I feel, is part of the problem. The Bush lyrics really prevent it from being a timeless album. That's one of the Beasties' best qualities; no matter what year they put out an album, it still sounds fresh many years later. Paul's Boutique is obvious, but even Licensed To Ill with its 1980s' old school rap sound still somehow sounds more relevant than "I think it's time to impeach Tex".

Maybe it's because I didn't become a hardcore B-Boy fan until 2004, so it was the first new Beastie album that I brought, but when I listen to the album, I think back to where I was in '04. I think of the election, I think of Vote Or Die, I think of Kerry, I think of Swift Boat Veterans, I think of flip flopping. Blargh. No fun.

[Brother McDuff]

Says the bass player who couldn't pick Off the Grid. Nice.


snap!

[brooklyndust]

too lazy to start new threads.

Seeing Mike D, and Ad-Rock do all these promo‘s is just not the same without MCA. Get Well MCA.

The extended Cowbell scene in FFYR is awesome. Probably my favourite part.

Caught Paul’s Boutique in the background during the dance battle.

It's a good time to be a fan.

[MCScoobyT]

I've been listening to HSCPT in a 'shuffle' mix on my mp3 player combined one LP at a time, with each one of the Beastie Boys other proper LP's. I wanted to do this to see how it fits in socially... While my first guess it that it would sound like a brother disc to CYH or IC, it actually sounds best in the mix with PB. I think it's due to the layered production and the old school rhyme patterns.

Sonically HSC committee it it's own beast, put it does sound great it the mix with PB! So now can we get a Dust Brothers remix of NSDPP, please???

[Brother McDuff]

I think it's pretty cool how the past three (rap) records have been owned by 3 separate bboys, repectively:

HN = Adrock

TT5B = Mike

HSC = The Yauch


very opinion-based, I know, but this is how I see it at least.

[Guy Incognito]

when you say owned do you mean best performances or most influence cos for hsc a lot of the tracks sound like they have a group influence.

i am still buzzing off the fact that random people at work are coming up to me saying that they have the album or seen the video and love it. I have mentioned it a lot but its nice to hear some new fans on scene.

[Brother McDuff]

when you say owned do you mean best performances or most influence cos for hsc a lot of the tracks sound like they have a group influence.

perhaps I should have used the word, 'shined'. obviously all their records are a clear group effort.

i'm just saying, hello nasty was heavily Horovitz's brainchild, Mike's shit was particularly on point on TT5B, and Yauch tears shit down at times lyrically on HSC, not to mention alot of the stronger cuts seem pretty (live) bass-driven, which is of course his department.

[Guy Incognito]

HSC, not to mention alot of the stronger cuts seem pretty (live) bass-driven, which is of course his department.

fair do's but i get the impression that ad-rock is adept on a lot of instruments and i get the impression the dub reggae influence is his. I could be wrong. But I wouldnt be surprised if he lays the odd bass line or the other two chip in on other instruments certainly at writing/jamming/sampling stages.

HSC is definitely a vibe of the three of them working together , having a blast and having no agenda other than producing good shit

[Brother McDuff]

i think you missed my point. forget it.

[Guy Incognito]

i think you missed my point. forget it.

no, i lightly grazed, nay, scratched your point:) I was trying to say that no-one shines for me on HSC, its a really together vibe and a good group effort as opposed to other albums where one of them has stood out

[Brother McDuff]

the more I hear the itunes version of 'pop your balloon' the more livid it makes me that it's such inferior quality to the rest of the album. it has clearly been mixed down since the original rip, so what gives with the sub-par bboys?

[Turchinator]

stickin to themes- album artwork

HSC2 theme is time travel as Hello Nasty theme was in a spaceship.

the obvious references are included in the MSN video with their future selves.

others include "go back in time send a fax from my car" as well as the many references to folding space and time coming from the official beastie boys and oscilloscope email updates.

while time traveling and recording this album, the beastie boys met a cast of characters introduced in the album artwork by Mike Mills, including "First to Time Travel" and "From The Future"

The Hot Sauce Committee is represented by:

historical and literary characters (George Washington, PT Barnum, Oliver Twist, S Claus, Headless Horsemen)

political activists (Angela Davis, Daniel Ellsberg 1971)

authors & artists (Chuck Jones, Anita Loos, James Baldwin in Paris)

Rebels & Rabble-Rousers (Billy The Kid, Bank Sneak, Bandit, The Informer)

spiritual & metaphysical (Ghost [Old], Witch [Good], Memory)

downtrodden & misunderstood (Misunderstood, Pregnant Teen, Trans, Plebeian, The Unknown)

etc...

"My broad sword will cut through your chain mail"- Knight, Mideveal

and another thing- MCA mentions his sword three times in this album. Three Times! that pretty much makes him a badass motherfucker randomly choppin on a crazy ass mission.

these themes could have applied to the original album artwork from HSC1 if you ask me, with the escalator coming out into the jungle...

Did You Know?- Muntazar al-Zaidi is the Iraqi "Shoe Thrower" aimed at George Bush in 2008.

Make Some Noise If You're With Me.

[JoLovesMCA]

perhaps I should have used the word, 'shined'. obviously all their records are a clear group effort.

i'm just saying, hello nasty was heavily Horovitz's brainchild, Mike's shit was particularly on point on TT5B, and Yauch tears shit down at times lyrically on HSC, not to mention alot of the stronger cuts seem pretty (live) bass-driven, which is of course his department.

I think I see what you mean. Mike’s lyrics stand out a lot for me on TT5B and he had some great moments in the breaks of the songs like on Check It Out. And then HN had Ad-Rocks influence all over it just like Check Your Head to me seemed to have a lot of Yauch’s influence. Hot Sauce Yauch’s lyrics and the BASS really stand out to me too. I think since they’ve all been together for so long it’s natural to do that and let each member take some lead if they really have something good to contribute. In the end though they all have such good chemistry and are on the same page that they feed off of each other’s ideas. How many times does one guy say he came up with this idea and then the other finishes it. I love that!

[Bernard Goetz]

When CYH was the latest Beastie album, I thought it went:
LTI = Ad Rock
PB = Mike D
CYH= MCA

And you know what would've been dope is if Ad Rock at some point on HSC used Biz's suggestion rhyme from HN. "Go by the name of the King Ad Rock..."

[fonky pizza]

Since the album should have dropped in 2009, I was really expecting a superpowerful party record after Obama's election.(y)

[Rodie]

If "AWOL" was released in 2011 it would be called "The AWOL Routine."

[Brother McDuff]

Since the album should have dropped in 2009, I was really expecting a superpowerful party record after Obama's election.(y)

i would say this is just as much a party record as anything else.... right? :o


If "AWOL" was released in 2011 it would be called "The AWOL Routine."


(y) they should use the AWOL routine to close shows on tour. perhaps update the shout-outs though.

[MCScoobyT]

Something about FD reminds me of BM and DPNGTICW seems to remind me of a female response to SC.

[fonky pizza]

i would say this is just as much a party record as anything else.... right? :o

(y)it's crazy funny party!!!!!!!

[MCScoobyT]

Maybe TLL/FFR is so short because it's a intro/prelude to the 1st track on the next HSC LP...

[Brother McDuff]

Maybe TLL/FFR is so short because it's a intro/prelude to the 1st track on the next HSC LP...

that would be cool. the way it cuts right out, I suppose it would be an appropriate segue into anything really, intended or not.

[Space]

A. YES
B. YOU DID IT
C. RIGHT
D.CONGRATS

[MCScoobyT]

When the Boys tour next, I could and would like to see them bring Santigold with them as an opener (I liked her music before I ever heard she was gonna colab. with the Beasties)... Then she would of course preform DPNGTICW with them during their show.

[Brother McDuff]

When the Boys tour next, I could and would like to see them bring Santigold with them as an opener (I liked her music before I ever heard she was gonna colab. with the Beasties)... Then she would of course preform DPNGTICW with them during their show.

She played a few gigs with them on the Get Out And Vote Tour. I was bummed she wasn't at the one that I attended, though I can't complain, some folks weren't able to catch that tour at all. One of my fav beastie-show experiences ever, Milwaukee, WI.

[beasties#1fan]

totally. this thought has crossed my mind as well. (y)




p.s. turtles are pretty neat.
hahaha, this dude is funny.

[cj hood]

i posted this the other day, but the thread got buried...

Make Some Noise: A. Best single since Intergalactic; just as good....maybe better.
Nonstop Disco Powerpack: A+. Best track on the record...should be single.
OK: B+ Solid track except for chorus.
Too Many Rappers: B. Better than original version, but they should have brought A-game w/Nas.
Say It: B+. I don't want to like this...but i do. Hardest track on record.
The Bill Harper Collection: waste
Don't Play No Game That I Can't Win: C+. Solid track if you take the Beasties out of it. Should have brought their A-game if they knew it'd be a single.
Long Burn the Fire: A. 2nd best track of record. Yauch's verse is sorta kinda corny.
Funky Donkey: B-. Skippable
The Larry Routine: waste. should have included BBITC instead. kill 2 birds yo...
Tadlock's Glasses: B+. Dramastically different....love the vocal effects!
Lee Majors Come Again: A+. Sums up their whole career. Great track!!!
Multilateral Nuclear Disarmament: its an instrumental...chillax!
Here's a Little Something for Ya: A. The Numberx rmx is better, but a solid track nonetheless.
Crazy Ass Shit: B. it's a'ight...i often skip it.
The Lisa Lisa/Full Force Routine: A+. Rule #1 of showbiz: leave them wanting more....mission accomplished!
Pop Your Balloon: A. Should have been included on the record instead of BHC or FD. Mike shines!
B-Boys in the Cut: B+. Should have been on record instead of that LR.

overall...i love it. like i said, it hasn't left my car stereo yet. i listen to it daily. best record since CYH.

[Guy Incognito]

Not sure how this is going to come out but although i have listened to Nonstop Disco Powerpack the most out of all the HSC tracks, i dont want it be a hit. I'm not usually like this about the beastie boys. Normally i will urge others to listen and talk about the best bits and tracks and try and get people to appreciate pretty much any album or track.
But i think Nonstop is such a great track and a fantastic representation of most of their entire career, that i am of the opinion that if people cant be arsed getting this album or getting into the band then they cant have it, Its too good. Fuck 'em. Its a strange one for me but i feel if someone hasnt really got the bboys by now then they arent going to appreciate how good that track really is.

[JoLovesMCA]

You know Nonstop was one of the tracks I listened to least when I first got the album. Now its one I listen to constantly. It really is one I am imagining and looking forward to seeing them perform live.

I never really realized how heavy the bass was till somebody pointed it out. It would be nice to have instrumentals of these tracks too.

@cjhood- I skip Crazy Ass Shit and Funky Donkey sometimes too. I just have my faves that I play out. And Yauch's delivery in Long Burn is why it doesn't sound corny to me, although anybody else might not be able to pull that off lol.. I mean Mike's peanut butter and samiches is straight up corny, but he knows how to work it, same as Yauch. :)

[Rodie]

Here's a Little Something for Ya: A. The Numberx rmx is better, but a solid track nonetheless.

The other mix is good but you're out of your gourd if you think it's better. (n)

[Rodie]

I was thinking about how before hscpt1 came out there were 5 songs released or leaked from it... Fast forward to 2011 and hscpt2 is released. Of those songs pop your balloon was dumped altogether, b boys in the cut was chopped down to nothing but the 30 second bit at the end, too many rappers was remixed and changed, and some of the verses in here's a little something for ya were changed (no telling how much the music changed though). However, they decided to leave lee majors on the album and not change it at all. Just thought that was weird.

[Guy Incognito]

I was thinking about how before hscpt1 came out there were 5 songs released or leaked from it... Fast forward to 2011 and hscpt2 is released. Of those songs pop your balloon was dumped altogether, b boys in the cut was chopped down to nothing but the 30 second bit at the end, too many rappers was remixed and changed, and some of the verses in here's a little something for ya were changed (no telling how much the music changed though). However, they decided to leave lee majors on the album and not change it at all. Just thought that was weird.

well i imagine zdar's skills not to lend themsleves to out and out punk rock.

it is pretty fucking awesome.

wonder if zdar decided not to touch it or was told not to?
or maybe he did do something subtle.

[Brother McDuff]

lee majors was re-mixed (in the sonic sense) just as the rest of the cuts were on HSC pt 2.

as nas would say, "it ain't hard to tell".

[Kid Presentable]

Yeah, Lee Majors was changed.

[Rodie]

I wasn't suggesting that it wasn't remixed for sound quality purposes, I'm sure that it was. I'm saying that they didn't change the verses and/or music like they did with the other tracks. It seems like they wanted everything for hsc to be or sound new except for the one two year old track.

[Kid Presentable]

Oh OK, fair enough. (y)

They changed the vocal effect (i.e. removed it) and you could argue that the punch-ins were re-done but they were probably just brought forward in the mix.

[Brother McDuff]

I don't think they were changing things simply for the sake of it, just things they thought needed it. Apparently they didn't think Lee Majors required any improvements. I doubt it was the only one that remained the same from the first round to the second.

[Kid Presentable]

They did change the vocal effect on it, though.

[cj hood]

I was thinking about how before hscpt1 came out there were 5 songs released or leaked from it... Fast forward to 2011 and hscpt2 is released. Of those songs pop your balloon was dumped altogether, b boys in the cut was chopped down to nothing but the 30 second bit at the end, too many rappers was remixed and changed, and some of the verses in here's a little something for ya were changed (no telling how much the music changed though). However, they decided to leave lee majors on the album and not change it at all. Just thought that was weird.

thanx to the board's input...

[Rodie]

Really good point actually, it does seem like that was the least criticized track of the bunch.

[Brother McDuff]

delay is to hello nasty what distortion is to ill communication

[brooklyndust]

Ad-rock should release a compilation album of his remixes.

[brooklyndust]

finally there is some interesting discussion on the boards again.

[MCScoobyT]

Ad-rock should release a compilation album of his remixes.

Great idea... It won't happend. But you could compile one to share ;)

[Rodie]

Ad-rock should release a compilation album of his remixes.



Definitely. (y) Also AIFST and the video anthology on blu ray and deluxe / remastered versions of TT5B and Licensed to Ill.

[Brother McDuff]

if you play 3-Minute Rule backwards and listen really closely you can hear Mike D banging your sister

[MCScoobyT]

^ your sisters def!

[brooklyndust]

The Hot Sauce Committee Part2 title has aged better than Tadlock's Glasses title.

I also would really like to hear the original version of the album, pre Zdar mix.

[Turchinator]

random bump.

to Bro McDuff- that "bboys blazing through hell" comparison in Long Burn The Fire has stuck with me ever since you threw it out. well played.

you get a sense of it in the musical interlude during Say It. I imagine them entering the gates of hell during this moment and then unleashing their weapons of health destruction during Long Burn.

also, when I listen to Nonstop Disco Powerpack, Too Many Rappers, and Long Burn The Fire, I am getting a retrospective look back onto their legacy vibe.

with their Hall of Fame induction coming, and all this will they or won't they ever tour again business, the "Save The Date" line in LBTF speaks to this legacy...

[Brother McDuff]

to Bro McDuff- that "bboys blazing through hell" comparison in Long Burn The Fire has stuck with me ever since you threw it out. well played.

happy to oblige (y)


also, when I listen to Nonstop Disco Powerpack, Too Many Rappers, and Long Burn The Fire, I am getting a retrospective look back onto their legacy vibe.


i always got that retrospective feeling when listening to UNITE. feels like a wistful, self-acknowledged montage of their career. for so long it felt like a "grand finale" track. (thankfully it was not)

[Kid Presentable]

i always got that retrospective feeling when listening to UNITE. feels like a wistful, self-acknowledged montage of their career. for so long it felt like a "grand finale" track. (thankfully it was not)

I'm thankful it wasn't because Unite is average.

Anyway, to contribute: the hook on Long Burn reminds me of the Beastie Boys doing a tribute to Mario C doing a tribute to the Dust Brothers.

[Brother McDuff]

I'm thankful it wasn't because Unite is average.

well, that's certainly a matter of opinion. it ranks among my favorite, personally.

[Guy Incognito]

there are definite peaks and troughs on HN, ive always felt the first half is much higher quality with the second half just having a few highlights (neg lim, i dont know, UNITE), some of the tracks at the end are a bit meh.

i sorta like dr lee but it just feels like they felt they had to make the record even tho it might not be the sum of its parts.

It certainly feels like they loaded the start of the album with the bigger tunes.

[Kid Presentable]

To my mind only a few of the tracks on Hello Nasty stand-out on their own, but they all sorta work as part of the album, which is a kind of unique thing in their catalogue.

The whole thing as a piece of work is obviously worth respect, I just don't enjoy listening to it all that much (although that feeling can come and go).

[JoLovesMCA]

I remember a similiar discussion. UNITE is still one of my favorite BBOY songs. In fact a lot of times when I put Hello Nasty on I skip ahead and listen to that one first. I just love it.

[Kid Presentable]

I can dig how much is going on in Unite; it's sort of like a 'Simpsons' or cartoonified exaggeration of their style but unlike anything they did before or since. It's just not my full cup of tea.

I did get to see it performed live though, and it had a surprisingly magical effect on the crowd. (y)

[dave790]

I think 'cartoonified exaggeration of their style' is as eloquently put as can be in regards to Unite. I used to see much of the album in a similar light, but as a whole it's grown on me leaps and bounds lately. Like KP, it's not really an album I ever go to to play out particular tracks. But as a whole, very strong, and so much going on that - production-wise - the Boys and Mario C really were at the top of their game. A song like Song For The Man, lyrics-aside, had never really done anything for me before. But some of those harmonies and the Blur-esque outro are nice little touches you couldn't really place on any other B-Boys album.

[Brother McDuff]

it's sort of like a 'Simpsons' or cartoonified exaggeration of their style

spot-on (y)


I feel like the spectrum of styles on HN makes for a bboy record that doesn't demand your attention from start to finish. while you certainly can enjoy it in a single, focused sitting, it really shines as an album playing in the background; be it at a party, while you're cleaning your house, playing cards, cooking dinner, training your dog to do a backflip, etc. the energy flow feels very natural. it's not straight up in your face from front to back. the valleys allow time to recoup between the high-flyers.

also, i think it's the most mature record on the production tip. just very tasteful. you can really tell that they'd been there before, and even though they were still just throwing ideas and sounds at the wall, they had mastered their chaos this time around. their experiments graduated from simply experiments to serious arrangements. songs like "song for the man", "and me", "i don't know", and "instant death" were just as risky as when they first picked their instruments back up, IMO, and I really think they pulled them off. the hip-hop tracks slayed on the beats and rhymes, as usual, but were still a further mutation since the last record. the instrumentals, each so different from one another, just swallow you whole if you let them. the new electronic and old dub flavours were at heightened participation as well.

we will never see as an ambitious record as that one from them again, not just on the effort to span so wide, but on the success of its execution as well.

sorry folks, i know this discussion is old news. i'm not trying (nor do i feel the need) to convince anyone of the joys of HN. i know everyone's got their own feelings and opinions regarding their favorite bboy albums and I totally respect that (y). i just get excited talking about music and tend to get carried away. :o


p.s. "Dr. Lee, Phd" is hands down my least favorite bboys track ever (and I'm a huge Lee Perry fan).

[dave790]

spot-on (y)

they had mastered their chaos this time around.

we will never see as an ambitious record as that one from them again, not just on the effort to span so wide, but on the success of its execution as well.



Yes.

And it's quite satisfying that the record did so well. Worldwide number one records aren't always so unique. It's a great thing when you're obviously doing your own thing to the most extreme point, and everyone is loving it. The very fact that Intergalactic is the most 'pop' thing on the record says it all.

Though I can't agree with Dr Lee. It's exactly how I want it to sound. Proper collab for me, whereas Don't Play No Game just sounds unsure of itself.

[Kid Presentable]

It was the first time I was disappointed by a Beastie Boys album.

[Guy Incognito]

First time i heard HN, some of the tracks disappointed me but i was used to having them do 20 or so tracks and still buzzed off that and was looking forward to listening to it all and some tracks took a long time but i love it.
I dont listen to it its entirety much. (But i dont do that with many albums twice).
But there is so much creativity on that album and i liked that they were trying to go in different directions.