mission accomplished!

[monkey]

lolzzzzlololoz

i was scared that this whole presidential late night statement thing meant either someone detonated a nuke heading towards me, or aliens. and then i see that it's bin laden is dead. and though this is quite cool, i'm a little upset that it's not aliens.

[M|X|Y]

(y)

its brilliant that they pre-empted celebrity apprentice around the country to make this announcement.. two birds with one stone for the bama

Daily Mail UK - Bin Laden's great escape: (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382011/Bin-Ladens-great-escape-How-worlds-wanted-man-fools-elite-troops-whod-trapped-mountain-lair.html?ito=feeds-newsxml) "How the world's most wanted man made fools of elite troops who'd trapped him in his mountain lair" - Friday April 30, 2011

[kaiser soze]

bob got laid?

Well, let's see where this announcement goes. I want a picture of the dead man for final proof (remember the fat Osama? I do) - this is one boogieman who has terrorized multiple nations and has kept some people very rich.

Even though it's years late - this is good news in the middle of some horrific human suffering happening all over the world. I doubt bin laden has been relevant in the eyes of alqaeda/insurgency these past few years and unfortunately this may martyr him. This will not end on a dime, but here's hoping it will be a catalyst to start bringing our soldiers home.

This could have ended during Clinton's term

[JoLovesMCA]

I am happy about it. Feels great to know that our military handled business and I hope more of them get to finally go home now too. (y)

A moment in history to remember. I was eating wings. :cool:

[checkyourprez]

AMERICA, FUCK YEAH.

[TimDoolan]

"Justice has been served."
Osama was killed in a firefight! This is unbelievable! And we have his body!
No holy shrine for you, terror-dude!

[like2_drink]

DNA evidence whadddup!

[JoLovesMCA]

That's right Obama can just blast some Hot Sauce Committee in his car and say "Don't Play No Game That I Can't Win. :cool:

[sjp]

Osama killed Hiding where you least expect him. Take notes children. This is how you win this game.

[kaiser soze]

I want a full refund from the Pakistani government now...THANKS FOR NOTHING

p.s.

Can we please have our Constitution back now!?

[like2_drink]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ47eGSilPc

They filmed it eh

[JoLovesMCA]

Thnks! Just retweeted that lol.

[TimDoolan]

Anybody notice the Fox News typo? Uuuuuuuuusama

[like2_drink]

Thnks! Just retweeted that lol.

Thank you, for not being squeamish (y):D

Somebody told me that they don't think its right to celebrate the death of someone no matter what they've done. To which I replied, if its wrong to celebrate the death of the face of terrorism, then I don't want to be right!

[JoLovesMCA]

Well yeah I see some of my friends online not happy about it and my answer is that this isn't a normal circumstance. Of course we wouldn't be celebrating a death, but like you said this was a terrorist and not just any terrorist. This is somebody who is linked to 911 and not to mention all of the thousands of innocent people murdered, raped and tortured under his command. Come on, its one less evil bastard we have to deal with!

I don't think it's bad though if you don't want to join in. It's everybody's right to express how they feel or view it so it's all good.

[kaiser soze]

Anybody notice the Fox News typo? Uuuuuuuuusama

I think FOX does it on purpose so their bobbleheads won't do this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMzTNlNG-tg&feature=player_embedded

When it comes to celebrating I can understand it, even more so from the younger crowd (early to mid 20s) considering that was truly a visually haunting experience for children to experience - he had become the quintessential bogeyman to them.

Now for me, it's bittersweet - Yes it brings some sort of closure, but it has been too long to get him and I know there are other assholes out there. Moves to get Osama were hindered prior to 9/11 due to bullshit politics and laziness. Our nation and allies are still wasting our resources, endangering the lives of our soldiers and civilians, billions of dollars lost, and freedoms and liberties chipped away.

This is cathertic, spontaneous, and celebratory - hey I'm still up from the buzz - but this is 1 man, let us not forget the countless thousands who have died for this....his death will never bring them justice.

[Adam]

Oooh, didn't realise he was dead. Just checked the news after reading this thread.

He is more evil than other leaders who have started wars but in the end, war probably wasn't the answer. But that is hindsight - wars have always worked in the past so we it made sense that we try it again. Shock and awe, got them totally unprepared (y)

But the war has ended now, right?

[Lex Diamonds]

I thought he died like 6 years ago or something? This announcement is absolute bullshit by the way. What proof is there that he has just been killed, other than the word of a US President (who, the rest of the world realises, aren't exactly known for their truthfulness). First everyone got excited about the Royal Wedding, now this- are the entire Western World really so easily led?

[camo]

OBAMA BINS LADEN.

[miss soul fire]

I thought he died like 6 years ago or something? This announcement is absolute bullshit by the way. What proof is there that he has just been killed, other than the word of a US President (who, the rest of the world realises, aren't exactly known for their truthfulness). First everyone got excited about the Royal Wedding, now this- are the entire Western World really so easily led?

Well, I think Americans are happy mostly because they got their revenge. But being happy about this is weird. Lives won't get back anyway. Sounds like somebody won at the videogame...

[Adam]

Sounds like somebody won at the videogame...

Don't be flippant.

Video Games are waaaaaaaaaaay more important

edit: Padster, I think you're thinking of Saddam Hussain. It was he and Osama that who did 9/11

[dave790]

Chuck D:

'USA is at it again , number one in the rankings of Killing Championships. Stealing the Gold in the Murder Olympics, and the crowd goes wild!'

[TurdBerglar]

i don't think it's so much about revenge but preventing him from doing anything more.

[Adam]

i don't think it's so much about revenge but preventing him from doing anything more.

I think we've radicalised lots more since then, so they'll be plenty of other fear figures for us.

I bet Obama wished he timed this a little closer to his election next year, people might start noticing the lack of jobs and infrastructure domestically now.

[Lex Diamonds]

edit: Padster, I think you're thinking of Saddam Hussain. It was he and Osama that who did 9/11
I really hope this is a shit joke and not just as genuinely retarded as it reads.

[Kid Presentable]

I really hope this is a shit joke and not just as genuinely retarded as it reads.

Course it is.


i don't think it's so much about revenge but preventing him from doing anything more.

What did he do exactly? Sign off on the hijackings? Great manager. There are a shit-ton of mad cunts out there who are so far beyond caring if Bin Laden was alive or dead and they will just keep plotting.

EDIT: I give my American friends enough credit to know that they realise this death changes nothing. :) Our PM was on the radio saying she approved of the death. lol

[Adam]

As if I am known for shit jokes on this forum :rolleyes:

Yeah, Saddam was the one with the 7 minute WMDs to the western world until we put a stop to him. Pretty sure Saddam and Osama were from the same country though called the middle east.

[Kid Presentable]

As if I am known for shit jokes on this forum :rolleyes:

Yeah, Saddam was the one with the 7 minute WMDs to the western world until we put a stop to him. Pretty sure Saddam and Osama were from the same country though called the middle east.

I'm amazed more stuff isn't buried at sea.

[Freebasser]

This doesn't change anything.

Expect a retaliatory strike in 5... 4... 3...

[DIGI]

Don't be pissed because this overshadowed the Royal Wedding. But seriously, how shitty would you feel if that actually happened?

Annnnnnd, what is wrong with all these asswipes congratulating Bush? Every comment section I read, there's a few dumb fucks applauding Bush "for putting all of this in place" and that "Obama was just in the right place at the right time." The fuck is wrong with people?

[Freebasser]

Don't be pissed because this overshadowed the Royal Wedding.

Um... I hate the royal family, mate. Couldn't loathe them more. Republican all the way (not in the shitty redneck meaning of the term).

[rirv]

Whilst this is a victory for common sense, I still find it difficult to celebrate a man's death. Utilitarianism also makes death rather than capture and trial the logical choice, however, the wet left-wing liberal in me finds the scenes of celebration rather uncouth.

[like2_drink]

Utilitarianism also makes death rather than capture and trial the logical choice

If by utilitariansm, u mean the gunfight that ensued resulting in Osama's death, then I agree.

As to what Padster was referring to; a few years ago they believed they had killed Bin Laden, but it was just a chubby replica, this time they apparently have DNA evidence.

[miss soul fire]

Whilst this is a victory for common sense, I still find it difficult to celebrate a man's death.

Exactly. I mean celebrating a person's death doesn't seem right. It doesn't matter who this person is. It's like "hey! he killed people and now we killed him! hahaahah!". Weird. And I know he needed to be killed, but it's not something we should go out in the streets and celebrate! "Oh! How happy we are, he's finally dead Hahahahaa!" But I kinda understand the "excitement". I guess...

[M|X|Y]

I'm fairly certain 99.9% of American people weren't in the streets yelling and jumping around like you might see on TV. The 0.01 percent douche factor that you saw in cropped and carefully composed shots of Times Square (including foreign tourists and mostly idiots who actually spend time there) last night don't exactly represent how most Americans reacted to the news.

Just as I don't believe the Arabs dancing in the streets on 9/11 really represented how most Arabs reacted to the news.

People are just excited as you say because he needed to be killed as you say. One down, hooray(y)

And now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

[like2_drink]

I don't get it; he killed, raped and murdered thousands of people, you would like it if he were alive?

http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://jdlcanada.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/bibi-aisha1.jpg%3Fw%3D314%26h%3D356&imgrefurl=http://jdlcanada.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/%25E2%2580%259Cthis-ad-was-approved-by-hamas/&usg=___hsb4IZzCEgoNUFT1xrsJjWw37w=&h=356&w=314&sz=20&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=j5EnntQaYfAc5M:&tbnh=158&tbnw=133&ei=wBu_TZe3O4q_0QHZ9tjHBg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dbibi%2Baisha%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa% 3DN%26biw%3D1345%26bih%3D609%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=1108&vpy=65&dur=1451&hovh=239&hovw=211&tx=139&ty=171&page=1&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:0

Taliban cut off Bibi Aisha's ears and nose when she left her house w/o permission to seek help after her husband beat her so bad.

Their tactics may not change now that he's dead, but nobody will be able to replace him.

[miss soul fire]

The first thing my co-worker said this morning "yay! Osama Bin Laden is dead!". And she's supposed to be catholic. Not that this really matters, but most people are such hypocrites.

Yeah. Just one down. Among how many...

[miss soul fire]

And I thought there was always a woman behind a man. I guess they didn't teach me right. It's quite the opposite.

[Adam]

I like being behind women.

[Lex Diamonds]

Well, the "photographic proof" of Bin Laden's dead body is faked: http://i51.tinypic.com/kd7fv6.jpg

[Schmeltz]

Taliban cut off Bibi Aisha's ears and nose when she left her house w/o permission to seek help after her husband beat her so bad.

Their tactics may not change now that he's dead, but nobody will be able to replace him.

Osama bin Laden was not a Taliban leader, and the Taliban and al-Qaeda are two completely different things. bin Laden's death will not affect the Taliban ideology or war effort in any way. It probably won't even hinder the various al-Qaeda movements and cells scattered throughout the world.

But it's good that they got him. He certainly had it coming.

[like2_drink]

Wikianswers has a great poem about the 6 wives he had:


"he had 6 but unfortantly, there is a poem, DEVORCED BEHEADED DIED, DEVORVED BEHEADED SURVIVED(but then she was raped)"

[like2_drink]

Osama bin Laden was not a Taliban leader, and the Taliban and al-Qaeda are two completely different things.

Bah thats my bad, I always have a hell of a time not fucking those 2 up..:mad:

[M|X|Y]

Well, the "photographic proof" of Bin Laden's dead body is faked: http://i51.tinypic.com/kd7fv6.jpg

that wasn't released by the government

[M|X|Y]

http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/02/6568249-webs-bin-laden-death-photo-just-the-photo-is-fake

[kaiser soze]

Fuck Glenn Beck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAp8bcmryis&feature=player_embedded#at=21

OSSSSSAMA - the fuckers have been living off this asshole's name for 10 years, you'd think they'd have it down to a science now

[Burnout18]

America, fuck yeah. Kudos to Our soldiers, our intelligence and our president.

[Lyman Zerga]

Chuck D:

'USA is at it again , number one in the rankings of Killing Championships. Stealing the Gold in the Murder Olympics, and the crowd goes wild!'

(y) love you, chuck

[A. Chimendez]

They will release the corpse photo when they are good and ready.


Padster, you're like a professional troll.

That's not a compliment.

[Planetary]

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy."

[checkyourprez]

Fuck Glenn Beck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAp8bcmryis&feature=player_embedded#at=21

OSSSSSAMA - the fuckers have been living off this asshole's name for 10 years, you'd think they'd have it down to a science now

that shit is intentional. they do it to try and subliminally link obama and osama. same thing when they write out/say his full name. trying to invoke images of saddam in the viewers head in relation to obama.

[monkey]

i usually don't say this, but i feel like this needs to be said here:

as a person who had to witness the devastation of 911 from blocks away, as a 19 yo, and having helped out those people that came covered in white dust, knowing SO MANY people who lost a dad or a mom or a brother or a cousin, and to have the person that they've blamed for the past 10 yrs for it killed... this news was mouth-gaping insane.

it's not that i wish to celebrate death, quite the opposite. i wouldn't have minded if they had found osama and just put him in a basement and left him there to watch miley cyrus videos for the rest of his life. his capture would have produced the same reaction i had last night when i heard of his death. ~he~ was the one we all blamed for how our lives changed, and boy did they ever.

i'm fully aware that his death means nothing real. nothing changes. his death is merely a symbolic gesture of power. don't fuck with the US cause we will kill you. not subtle, and not particularly right, but it's been done. and i'm getting kinda offended by a lot of people who think that having a reaction, any reaction, is bad. i KNOW that there's something intrinsically wrong with celebrating a death, but i also know that i had nightmares of osama bin motherfucking laden dropping bombs on nyc and i didn't sleep for weeks after 9/11. i had his image plastered in my head, and i couldn't even turn off the tv because i was SO SCARED. im not celebrating his death as much as i'm trying to let the 2001 monkey rest. it's a big chapter of my life that is finally closing. the end.

p.s: i felt the same way when pinochet died. he was the evil doer of my childhood nightmares. and he died of a heart attack, the lucky bastard.

[Kid Presentable]

i KNOW that there's something intrinsically wrong with celebrating a death, but i also know that i had nightmares of osama bin motherfucking laden dropping bombs on nyc and i didn't sleep for weeks after 9/11. i had his image plastered in my head, and i couldn't even turn off the tv because i was SO SCARED. im not celebrating his death as much as i'm trying to let the 2001 monkey rest. it's a big chapter of my life that is finally closing. the end.


No offense, but this is more to do with your media creating a Goldstein than anything else.

[JoLovesMCA]

You bring up a good point monkey. On the news last night they mentioned how so many students who were kids at the time felt like Bin Laden was this boogyman from their childhood and to see him finally gone was a celebration not of being happy somebody was killed but that the bad guy could no longer hurt them or anybody for that matter.

I think evil can manifest itself into human form and Osama was just that to me. He dedicated his life to terrorizing people and showed no mercy so I am sorry but I can't show any compassion for the dude. He got what was coming to him.

Plus I watch enough LOCK UP to know that those prisoners learn ways to build relationships to make more shit happen in and out of those jail walls. If Bin Laden wants mercy then that's what GOD is there for but here on earth he's caused enough heartache and torture so for me he can BURN.

I however don't feel the need to argue or convince others to agree with me. I respect everyone's opinion on the matter.

[monkey]

No offense, but this is more to do with your media creating a Goldstein than anything else.

sure, i totally agree with that. but when you witness something like that, you want to blame someone, you want there to be a bad guy. osama was the bad guy. whether or not he is entirely (or even slightly) to blame is not really the point of this. in the minds of millions of people, the bad guy is gone. bad stuff will continue to happen and new bad guys will come to the forefront. but this particular bad guy, he's gone.

i will also say this, based on only 2 conversations with 2 people i've had - these two people, completely unrelated, were holocaust survivors. the first was my first ESL teacher (who escaped as a child mid-war). she said to me once, as she explained to me the holocaust, "if i had the chance to dance on hitler's grave, i would. because he wanted me dead, and instead, i'm teaching young minds everyday." this was in 1993.
the second person was the grandmother of my best friend, also escaped nazi germany as a child. she said "the only reason i ever want to go back there is to make sure that son-of-a-bitch is truly dead." this was around 1997.

there's something to be said about the desire to see a bad person gone.

[Kid Presentable]

sure, i totally agree with that. but when you witness something like that, you want to blame someone, you want there to be a bad guy. osama was the bad guy. whether or not he is entirely (or even slightly) to blame is not really the point of this. in the minds of millions of people, the bad guy is gone. bad stuff will continue to happen and new bad guys will come to the forefront. but this particular bad guy, he's gone.

i will also say this, based on only 2 conversations with 2 people i've had - these two people, completely unrelated, were holocaust survivors. the first was my first ESL teacher (who escaped as a child mid-war). she said to me once, as she explained to me the holocaust, "if i had the chance to dance on hitler's grave, i would. because he wanted me dead, and instead, i'm teaching young minds everyday." this was in 1993.
the second person was the grandmother of my best friend, also escaped nazi germany as a child. she said "the only reason i ever want to go back there is to make sure that son-of-a-bitch is truly dead." this was around 1997.

there's something to be said about the desire to see a bad person gone.

mhm I suppose, but the examples you give are quite unlike the current situation. I'm glad if this helps you move on. :)

[Splashleigh]

‎'I mourn the loss of a thousand precious lives but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy,' Martin Luther King

[Adam]

Hmmms.

Maybe this is a bigger deal than I thought. I know he was on the wanted list but didn't think he was the ultimate goal any more.

There are many of us who can't help but snide at US foreign policy, from those that become allies and see that friendship only go one way to what is seems a over reactive force towards the perceived evil ones while banding that whole country into the same box just because of a couple of bad eggs.

But, I wasn't there in NYC, I can only ever remember about two terror alerts ever happening in my city and nothing came of that, ie false alarm. So I've never lived through anything bad.

It's just to me, so many more will of been radicalised in the 10 year hunt for one man (if that was actually the goal) - they may only be teenagers right now but from being small all they've seen is stronger forces attacking significantly weaker friends and family to spread democracy or whatever. They probably won't be showing up on intelligence radars atm because they are just kids, but in 5 years time when hopefully they'd of wrapped this war up, I fear the cycle will start again. No offence were intended.

[Lex Diamonds]

They will release the corpse photo when they are good and ready.


Padster, you're like a professional troll.

That's not a compliment.
Yeah because only a "professional troll" would dare question Team America: World Police. Fuck you, Nazi.

[Lex Diamonds]

If by utilitariansm, u mean the gunfight that ensued resulting in Osama's death, then I agree.

As to what Padster was referring to; a few years ago they believed they had killed Bin Laden, but it was just a chubby replica, this time they apparently have DNA evidence.
I was actually talking about the fact the majority of CIA officers believed bin Laden was killed in bombing raids around 5 years ago. They didn't have a body though so there was no way of proving/claiming the kill at the time.

[HAL 9000]

‎'I mourn the loss of a thousand precious lives but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy,' Martin Luther King


"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy."

For those interested in the spread of memes, this quote is not MLK but appears to have been made up entirely for this occasion in the last day or so. It will be interesting if anyone tracks down its origin, I assume snopes.com are working on it.

[A. Chimendez]

http://i.imgur.com/cqtjw.jpg

Looks like somebody made a comment (or a quote and didn't attribute it to someone) before a long excerpt from a MLKJr speech.
Then the internet happened and it was passed around and messed up.

[Adam]

For those interested in the spread of memes, this quote is not MLK but appears to have been made up entirely for this occasion in the last day or so. It will be interesting if anyone tracks down its origin, I assume snopes.com are working on it.

I did a date restricted google search - took me a while because of lots of reblogged posts and I eventually cut it down to going back to 2005. It still has MLK quoted but some of the pages aren't concretely dated.

Somebody said it before then and then I thought, was it the Boondocks episode with him in it. I scanned the clips from youtube and can't find it in that. But the phrase and him are related.

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that."

[Adam]

http://i.imgur.com/cqtjw.jpg

Looks like somebody made a comment (or a quote and didn't attribute it to someone) before a long excerpt from a MLKJr speech.
Then the internet happened and it was passed around and messed up.

haha - someone is always a step ahead. I was researching the above post so long I've just realised it came to what you've just said.

http://books.google.com/books?id=6JQNAQAAMAAJ&dq=martin+luther+king+adding+deeper+darkness+to+a+ night+already+devoid+of+stars.&q=%20deeper+darkness+to+a+night+already+devoid+of+ stars#search_anchor

edit, realise my post doesn't make sense. The screen shot is right. The latter half of the speech is from page 37 in MLK book Strength To Love

[HAL 9000]

Good job chasing that down, that must be where it comes from!

[kaiser soze]

Lint-heads praise bush for death of Osama

Bush Home Buzzing After Bin Laden Killing

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/05/02/bush-home-buzzing-after-bin-laden-killing/

“Thank you President Bush,” said a sign left on the gate outside the street leading to the secluded Bush residence.

Thank You for what? Not defending our nation on 9/11/2001? Thank You for not getting Osama when you had the chance? Thank You for starting an illegal war that has done nothing but bring more pain and suffering? Thank You for running the country into the ground? Thank You for being a failure?

revisionists.

[Adam]

^have you not seen his golf swing?

Thank you Bush (y)

[kaiser soze]

you mean this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_Cr77faOgs&feature=related

It is unfortunate that people like Cantor, Palin, and others are denying President Obama his credit for the mission. The Navy Seals who completed the successful mission are under his command.

[Adam]

That's it "watch this drive". :D

Thank you Bush.

[M|X|Y]

for those in an uproar, this is real americans (ny'ers at least) celebrating
http://gawker.com/#!5798128/u+s+a-chant-fails-on-l-train

[Adam]

Gary Younge on Osama's death. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/03/bin-laden-death-us-patriot-reflex)

I like this guy and this article is great. He is American (I think) working for the British newspaper The Guardian. Anyway, read it for a point of view a lot of the non-american world see. It's very measured imo.

His twitter feed (http://twitter.com/#!/garyyounge) is pretty good to.

[TurdBerglar]

i don't understand why people outside the US give a shit about how a handful of americans celebrate the death a very evil man.

[Burnout18]

who gives a fuck if people celebrated.... anyone bitching about that should go blow the cocksuckin scumbags who celebrated 9/11.... and im not talking about overseas, im talking about the scumbags in america, in new jersey who were dancing in the streets.

[Freebasser]

i don't understand why people outside the US give a shit about how a handful of americans celebrate the death a very evil man.

Tell that to the victims of bombings all over the world that were reprisals for the 'War on Terror' that your country pulled us all into.

[yeahwho]

for those in an uproar, this is real americans (ny'ers at least) celebrating
http://gawker.com/#!5798128/u+s+a-chant-fails-on-l-train

(y)

Freedom from enthusiasm on your Monday morning commute: It's what our troops are fighting for.

[Burnout18]

Tell that to the victims of bombings all over the world that were reprisals for the 'War on Terror' that your country pulled us all into.

If there was no bin laden there would be no war on terror. Who the fuck are you trying to portray as the bad guy here?

[Schmeltz]

If there was no bin laden there would be no war on terror. Who the fuck are you trying to portray as the bad guy here?

Osama bin Laden had nothing to do with Iraq, yet your government killed a hundred thousand of that country's citizens in the name of its vaunted War on Terror. Osama bin Laden is clearly a bad guy, but that doesn't make your leaders the good guys. Far fucking from it.

[Adam]

Americans have a right to grieve and remember those who died on 9/11. But they have no monopoly on memory, grief or anger. Hundreds and thousands of innocent Afghanis, Iraqis and Pakistanis have been murdered as a result of America's response to 9/11. If it's righteous vengeance they're after, Americans would not be first in line.

...

If "they" killed Bin Laden in Abbottabad then "they" also bombed a large number of wedding parties in Afghanistan, "they" murdered 24 Iraqi civilians in Haditha and "they" gang-raped a 14-year-old before murdering her, her six-year-old sister and their parents near Mahmudiyah. If "they" don't want to be associated with the atrocities then "they" need to find more to celebrate than an assassination. Vengeance is, in no small part, what got us here. It won't get us out.

From the link above earlier.

No one has patriotism like America do though, as far as I know no other country pledges an allegiance to a flag and it can be a very insular country but at the same time having an effect on every other country in the world. But it's cold seeing americas response to global events sometimes. It's just not cricket. Things like "with us or against us" just don't sit right and human nature is to rebel against authority and a lot of us will rebel against america as they have assumed authority. Their morals are all skewed but some of their ideas are right. I think all the rest of the world want is the leaders to take a good long hard look at themselves, there was 'hope' Obama might do that, he hasn't.

If there was no bin laden there would be no war on terror. Who the fuck are you trying to portray as the bad guy here?

There is no Bin Laden now either, we will have to sit and watch if there is a war on terror still.

[DIGI]

Tell that to the victims of bombings all over the world that were reprisals for the 'War on Terror' that your country pulled us all into.

I've always considered myself quite the pacifist. I also like reading Jesse Ventura's books, so I'm always a bit curious regarding certain conspiracy theories and such. With that said, I kind of confused myself with my reaction to this whole situation. I'll revert to a quote by another great doctor: "You fucked with me, now it's a must that I fuck with you." That just may be the fundamental difference between our countries. If some radical group of fucks start shit and kill thousands of our innocent men, women, and children, there's going to be some mother fucking repercussions. I guess among intellectuals, it's easier (more popular even) to take the high road and go all Gandhi and denounce any type of violence, but after reading the Rolling Stone inteview last year with one of bin Laden's sons, the guy was just an evil prick and deserved what he had coming. Otherwise, he'd just start taking pot shots, not just on us, but any country, while knowing there wouldn't be any retribution. People's argument of "tell that to a family of one of the victims" carries a lot of weight with me. I find this to definitely be an "eye for an eye" exception. I won't go as far as some in wanting to see the picture of his body. I'm okay with knowing he's dead and his burial was handled in the appropriate fashion since US troops haven't necessarily had the greatest track record lately of how to act in a respectful or even moral manner. Also, I don't remember the UK going kicking and screaming into the "War on Terror" either. In my eyes, that's what war is, the unnecessary loss of life. It's an unfortunate truth, but I feel this had to be done in order to preserve lives in the future. Is there a risk now? Of course, but the risk had to have been greater with that crazy ass turd running around plottin' n shit.

Oh, and I agree that Operation Iraqi Freedom was complete bullshit.

[Lex Diamonds]

I guess among intellectuals, it's easier (more popular even) to take the high road and go all Gandhi and denounce any type of violence, but after reading the Rolling Stone inteview last year with one of bin Laden's sons, the guy was just an evil prick and deserved what he had coming.
LOL

Try reading this: http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-a-close-encounter-with-the-man-who-shook-the-world-2278035.html

Basically, just get a more rounded view on the world in general. There are no "good guy heroes" and "evil bad guys"- just killers, guerillas & politicians.

Gandhi was a bright dude, don't dismiss him.

[DIGI]

Gandhi was the man. I'm not downplaying him in any way. I'm also not saying America's the world's white knight either. I know we're just as corrupt and crooked as any other country. We usually tend to take action only when there's a vested interest for us, which is fucked up. There's mass killings going on all over the world, but I wonder why we chose to go into Libya? That actually looks like a good read. I'll check it out.

[Lex Diamonds]

Gandhi was the man. I'm not downplaying him in any way. I'm also not saying America's the world's white knight either. I know we're just as corrupt and crooked as any other country. We usually tend to take action only when there's a vested interest for us, which is fucked up. There's mass killings going on all over the world, but I wonder why we chose to go into Libya? That actually looks like a good read. I'll check it out.
Cool, as long as you know there isn't a "good" side and if there was, America sure as fuck wouldn't be it. (y)

[Burnout18]

Osama bin Laden had nothing to do with Iraq, yet your government killed a hundred thousand of that country's citizens in the name of its vaunted War on Terror. Osama bin Laden is clearly a bad guy, but that doesn't make your leaders the good guys. Far fucking from it.

No shit bin laden had nothing to with Iraq. That was bush jumping the gun for god knows what reason, but you know what saddam killed a fuckload of innocent people. His own people, how do you like that? You wanna cry over him and his supporters? or OBL and his supporters? Careful.

[Schmeltz]

No shit bin laden had nothing to with Iraq. That was bush jumping the gun for god knows what reason, but you know what saddam killed a fuckload of innocent people. His own people, how do you like that? You wanna cry over him and his supporters? or OBL and his supporters? Careful.

If you're out to judge others on the basis of how many innocent people they have killed, your own government should be your first target. George Bush and Dick Cheney have probably killed more innocent Iraqis in the last eight years than Saddam managed in his entire career.

Nobody is weeping for bin Laden, but it seems as though not many are weeping for the countless victims of the War on Terror either. They'd rather pound their chests over an assassination than take two seconds to think about their government's policy and its many, many, many failures. Typical.

[Burnout18]

If you're out to judge others on the basis of how many innocent people they have killed, your own government should be your first target. George Bush and Dick Cheney have probably killed more innocent Iraqis in the last eight years than Saddam managed in his entire career.

Typical.

I would like to see statistics on that. I am not impressed with Arguments based on estimations.

[Adam]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

Doesn't make pretty reading for any side - which I think is the point trying to be made.

Edit - I am still trying to find an stats on <2003 but nothing yet. Guessing that is something Saddam didn't regularly publish.

Edit II

The Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq has compiled documentation on over 600,000 civilian executions in Iraq. Human Rights Watch reports that in one operation alone, the Anfal, Saddam killed 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis. Another 500,000 are estimated to have died in Saddam's needless war with Iran. Coldly taken as a daily average for the 24 years of Saddam's reign, these numbers give us a horrifying picture of between 70 and 125 civilian deaths per day for every one of Saddam's 8,000-odd days in power"

But such facts are not enough -- because for him the true question is whether civilians killed by the war are "unnecessary". I need to ask whether he thinks the civilian deaths were necessary or not. I clearly believe they were necessary to oust Saddam and save the lives he would have murdered, to free the children from prison, etc. -- in fact more necessary than the atomic bombs to force Japan's surrender If Mr. Crow is willing to accept Muslim fanatic terrorists with WMDs, or Muslim theocracy, rather than fight for Western/ Christian/ Capitalist/ Freedom, then indeed comparing death rates doesn't mean much".

Ronald Hilton - 4/25/03
source: http://wais.stanford.edu/Iraq/iraq_deathsundersaddamhussein42503.html

So around a million since the Iraq conflict from 2003 and 600,000 from 24 years of Saddam reign. Keep in mind the 1 million figure isn't putting blame on either side. And that was a war where higher casualties are expected. Would Saddam of killed more than a million if kept alive - it's another debate. Both stats are probably undercounted though and I would bet the Saddam one would of been more undercounted as too much we don't know and can't find out because we killed him.

Conclusion: I would say it's about fair.

[Lyman Zerga]

Osama bin Laden had nothing to do with Iraq, yet your government killed a hundred thousand of that country's citizens in the name of its vaunted War on Terror. Osama bin Laden is clearly a bad guy, but that doesn't make your leaders the good guys. Far fucking from it.

true

[DIGI]

My neighbor is a veteran. Although I think the war in Iraq was handled poorly, hearing the intel that was once shared with him about Saddam, it's a better world without him in it. Like having a rape room where 8-12 year old children would get raped, tortured, and beheaded by his soldiers. Also, detaining women for whatever reason and feeding their children into a wood chipper that's pointed at them while they're in a cell so they can be sprayed with the remains. Fuck that shit. Anyone who is that far off the grid doesn't deserve to live in my opinion.

[Kid Presentable]

My neighbor is a veteran. Although I think the war in Iraq was handled poorly, hearing the intel that was once shared with him about Saddam, it's a better world without him in it. Like having a rape room where 8-12 year old children would get raped, tortured, and beheaded by his soldiers. Also, detaining women for whatever reason and feeding their children into a wood chipper that's pointed at them while they're in a cell so they can be sprayed with the remains. Fuck that shit. Anyone who is that far off the grid doesn't deserve to live in my opinion.

I think unfortunately the issue is that people outside of America don't believe anything your government says, much like I can't believe ths intel you mention. I want to, and agree that it is horrendous if true. But it's close to impossible to trust anything that comes out of America.

Some folk probably feel they have watched America stir the pot now for so long that there may not be much cause to sympathise with or support the U.S in its 'foreign policy'. That's a shame, too, because you don't need that type of schism between allies.

[Adam]

I think even the softest wet liberal doesn't disagree that Saddam or Osama were bad people and their demise was inevitable. It's just there isn't much to celebrate.

[kaiser soze]

a bunch of white people think Obama don't deserve credit :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSOJWzxNjWI&feature=player_embedded#at=76

but no concerns that bush dropped the ball years ago :rolleyes:

talk about a tightly formed focus group (n)

[kaiser soze]

My neighbor is a veteran. Although I think the war in Iraq was handled poorly, hearing the intel that was once shared with him about Saddam, it's a better world without him in it. Like having a rape room where 8-12 year old children would get raped, tortured, and beheaded by his soldiers. Also, detaining women for whatever reason and feeding their children into a wood chipper that's pointed at them while they're in a cell so they can be sprayed with the remains. Fuck that shit. Anyone who is that far off the grid doesn't deserve to live in my opinion.

and what did the U.S. do?

replace Saddam's torture with U.S. torture (n)