Andy Kaufman/Tony Clifton Mca/Hornblower

[Ezze777]

Hello everyone. I haven't posted since the days of The Beastie List and the usenet groups. I apologize if I offend anyone That is not my intent I'm just posting my feelings and hope it makes me feel better. When Yauch died I was sad but after a week I was angry. The reason I was angry the thought of if Mca would of stuck to American doctors would he still be with us. I was a huge Andy Kaufman fan and when he went to the phillipeans I knew it was over When Robin Quivers discovered a tumor Gary Bababooey ran in the studio and said seriously Robin your not going to fuk with eastern medicine you are going to listen to doctors here. She said yes. After hearing this I immeadiatly wondered if MCA had someone say that would things be different. Buddahist believe u only get sick for 3 reasons Anger Greed and Ignorance. I could b wrong on the 3rd but that alone Is Insane. I'm just tired of seeing people I love fall to this shit Andy Kaufman George Harrison Steve Jobs and now MCA all Buddhist who tried alternative treatments. Besides the reason Buddahist believe you get sick there belief of preparing you to be Reincarnated within 49 days to another life after you pass. It hurts knowing we won't see MCA In 49 days and the thought of a Tibet doctor preparing him for his next life instead of saving this one makes me so angry. I truly apologize if I offended anyone. I do believe everyone had the right to believe in what they want to rather they worship buddah jesus or Kenny Rogers. I just wish yauch had a Bababooey to run in and say no u can see a Tibet doctor after you have finished every treatment here and the doctor says your fine and then you can see who you want

[YoungRemy]

the only thing I read in your post was Ignorance. dude tried every treatment in the book. eastern medication was only part of his therapy.

surgery, radiation, more surgery, you name it. we don't know about chemo or what methods but it is known that he was receiving treatment in NYC and Tennessee up until his last days on Earth, buddhist or not

[birdfloatindown]

Let me guess: you work for Pfizer?

[silence7]

I'm offended that you mentioned Kenny Rogers :mad:

I've talked to a few people who've made the Steve Jobs/Adam Yauch alternative medicine connection. Fact is, we don't know what kind of treatment he was getting or where he was getting it from.

He did what HE wanted to take care of himself, and you have to respect that. Faith is a very complex thing, and sometimes there are consequences for your faith.

During the announcement video he said he went to a doctor.
One of his e-mails he mentions Tibetan doctors, and mentions visiting the nuns later in the e-mail. I have a feeling he was seeing regular doctors to look after his body, and others to look after his mind/soul.

Yeah, and the chemo...

[Ezze777]

Yeah I know last year he did kemo and then went to Tibet to see Tibet doctors. I wonder if doctors here told him there was nothing more they can do or if he did kemo and then chose other treatment. Steve Jobs cud still be here. Kaufman was told there was nothing more and thats when he tried everything from crystals to the bullshit magician trick n phillipeans with surgeon using eggs n chicken liver to magically pull tumor out of stomach

[Micodin]

Milton or tpk please delete this post and ban this person.

Cheers.

[Ezze777]

Ban someone for having a different opinion than you. Hope ur not in charge of a company somewhere. God forbid someone came in with a different opinion Fired

[Uru-Nitro]

The reason I was angry the thought of if Mca would of stuck to American doctors would he still be with us. ...

and the thought of a Tibet doctor preparing him for his next life instead of saving this one makes me so angry.

The problem is that you don't state an opinion, you only say whatever based on facts invented by yourself. you don't know what kind of treatmen he did.
So in this case your angry is caused by your ignorance.
peace.

[Ezze777]

I stated an opinion that If he didn't try Eastern medicine he may still be here. As far as making facts up. The reincarnated in 49 days and believing u get sick for 3 reasons. I didn't make that up. That's Buddhism I agree it sounds insane but it's true

[Franci]

Do you think than any person with a wife and a daughter would take cancer treatments lightly?
I'm sure Adam Yauch did everything he could to stay in this world with his beloved family, but sometimes life is just not fair ... and that's all!
You're very naive to make those assumptions or maybe you've never had to deal with cancer (lucky you...)

Then what about george harrison? :confused: he fought in any way to beat his cancer, in his last months he was treated in switzerland
What makes you think that he was not cured properly?

[Ezze777]

No not lightly at all. Do you remember when he sent the email that said the nuns prayed over him and told him We pray over you then your fine "So I got that going for me". At that point is when I got worried. I was hoping that was sarcastic in the email But knowing how serious he took his religion I didn't think it was. I would like to meet the nun who told him he's fine and tell her she lied to his face he's not fine. Don't get me wrong. If I did kemo and doctors said there was nothing more they could do I would be like Kaufman having someone hold up a chicken liver sayn they pulled out a tumor. There's nothing I wouldn't try. I just hope this was yauchs case. He and his wife devout Buddahist I just hope he didn't put more hope n religion than doctors.

[Kid Presentable]

No not lightly at all. Do you remember when he sent the email that said the nuns prayed over him and told him We pray over you then your fine "So I got that going for me". At that point is when I got worried. I was hoping that was sarcastic in the email But knowing how serious he took his religion I didn't think it was. I would like to meet the nun who told him he's fine and tell her she lied to his face he's not fine. Don't get me wrong. If I did kemo and doctors said there was nothing more they could do I would be like Kaufman having someone hold up a chicken liver sayn they pulled out a tumor. There's nothing I wouldn't try. I just hope this was yauchs case. He and his wife devout Buddahist I just hope he didn't put more hope n religion than doctors.

This isn't helping, and you're coming off like an idiot. People (not me, but some) will push for you to be banned, because you're not adding any value by passive-aggressively dissing the man for dying.

It's just pointless.

[Franci]

What's wrong with nuns praying for you... :confused:
That's a spiritual thing that happens in every religion, christian nuns, priests pray for ill people all the time... it's a meditation for the body and the soul and of course, has nothing to do with medical treatments.

[Uru-Nitro]

I stated an opinion that If he didn't try Eastern medicine he may still be here.

that's a lie, not an opinion. I'm telling you again, you don't know what kind of treatment he did, so you can't diss him for what you don't know. the only thing you/we know for sure is what Adam told: he DID the "standard" treatmen, plus he used some buddish tools to carry on. I mean, what's wrong with meditation and sending prayers? Probably you don't know what a cancer therapy is about, lucky you, but after radio/chemo people is phisicaly devasted. I'm sure meditation helped him to manage with pain and phisical hurt/weak.

I don't believe in any kind of God or religion, but that's not a reason to talk bullshit about Adam's death.

[Avalanche]

I've wondered as well - what if turning to vegetarianism actually made his body weaker? Let me state that, in general, I don't like religion, and there are some things in Buddhism that bother me a lot.

But I really appreciate faith. Yauch wasn't a religious man. He was a man full of faith. As somebody mentioned above, you sometimes have to pay for your faith, but hey - that's how the world works. Yauch was strong enough to pay the consequences. To be honest, I don't care if vegetarianism made his body weaker. It doesn't matter. What matters is that Adam was always strong, and ready to believe in something even if he has to pay for it.

So don't succumb into anger. Just remember that Yauch was strong enough to make this choice for himself, and not to let other people make it for him.

[Bernard Goetz]

I've wondered as well - what if turning to vegetarianism actually made his body weaker?

Good Lord. I thought I'd already seen the most ignorant stuff in this thread, but you went the raised the bar.
Pointless, all of this.
EDIT: After reading your whole post, I want to say I like where you're coming from in general, just that the vegetarian comment raised my hackles. There's absolutely no valid connection between a vegetarian lifestyle and a weakened immune system.

[Franci]

Then how can you believe that people like george harrison, steve jobs (...) had not been treated properly, they surely had the best options regarding doctors, therapies, hospitals...More than any average person.
Unfortunately cancer is awful ...if things have to turn bad they will anyway, even if you're treated by the best doctor in the world

[Laver1969]

According to the Rolling Stone article he underwent both conventional and non-Western treatments. It also says he found an advanced-treatment center in Nashville capable of genetically targeting his cancer.

Cancer sucks...

[Randetica]

even if he got no treatment at all this would be none of your business so stop judging especially when you got no clue

[WolfWoman]

Many people do both, it's not like it's an either/or proposition. You get the Western treatments and do spiritual practice to keep your faith strong. That's why clergy visit people in the hospital. Steve Jobs allegedly tried Eastern treatments at first, but then quickly when to Western medicine. The fact that he lived as long as he did with pancreatic cancer is a testament to everything he did. Comedian Bill Hicks lived a whooping 3 MONTHS after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. Cancer sucks and sometimes people die no matter what they do.

[Avalanche]

Good Lord. I thought I'd already seen the most ignorant stuff in this thread, but you went the raised the bar.
Pointless, all of this.
EDIT: After reading your whole post, I want to say I like where you're coming from in general, just that the vegetarian comment raised my hackles. There's absolutely no valid connection between a vegetarian lifestyle and a weakened immune system.

Well, I do have to add this: there are people who are vegetarians and live healthily, but truth is that many vegetarians do not have a good diet, which results in a weakened immune system. Lack of meat does not make your body weaker, but a shitty diet does. And, truth is, we know nothing of Adam's diet.

Not that it is our job to know everything, of course.

[brooklyndust]

sometimes people die no matter what they do.

We all die no matter what we do. So the only thing you can do is live every day of your life to the fullest.

[JoLovesMCA]

A lot of people are under the impression that just because MCA was a Buddhist he didn’t seek all treatments available to him. MCA said himself that he was being blasted with radiation 5 times a day 7 days a week! He was determined to live! He tried everything. And at that memorial gathering at Mario C’s it was also disccused among the guests that MCA had tried everything he could, he sought the best doctors around. Sheryl Crow just got through saying that she had MCA stay with her and try her doctors out too. Do your research first before making such accusations!

[camo]

The guy was a buddhist and therefore he died like a buddhist. I think it would be wise to just leave it at that guys.

And this thread needs closing before people start to say something truly heartless in response.

[Space]

Hello everyone. I haven't posted since the days of The Beastie List and the usenet groups. I apologize if I offend anyone That is not my intent I'm just posting my feelings

what name did you use on the Beastie list?

[fonky pizza]

Let me guess: you work for Pfizer?

LOL!!(y)

[Justin]

Worshipping Kenny Rogers would be interesting. What does that entail?:D

[M|X|Y]

not that i agree with dude (i don't) but im disturbed at how many people think the best thing to do about disagreement is to shut it down rather than have a discussion

(n)(n)(n)

[Franci]

not that i agree with dude (i don't) but im disturbed at how many people think the best thing to do about disagreement is to shut it down rather than have a discussion

(n)(n)(n)


Yeah...but what kind of discussion do you have on this subject? :confused:
His assumption was wrong, so... I see no debate

[Micodin]

not that i agree with dude (i don't) but im disturbed at how many people think the best thing to do about disagreement is to shut it down rather than have a discussion

(n)(n)(n)

Then discuss it big shot.

The floor is yours. Enlighten us.

[FlechaRojo]

After having three friends die from cancer in less than a year, I'm kind of blown up by the original statement. Friends and family have already stated Yauch exhausted all aspects of medicine & therapy. Each cancer and it's progression is so unbelievably different from one person to the next. All of my friends explored as many options as they could. Watching some one go through the horrors of chemotherapy and radiation is one of the worse things you can witness, let alone experience! I'm not going into detail out of respect. Give the man some respect that he made the choices that were appropriate for his family and spirit. He and anyone who endures/endured cancer are brave.

I understand that we all want answers, but unfortunately in situations like this, the answers may never come. Can you make peace with that?

[M|X|Y]

Then discuss it big shot.

The floor is yours. Enlighten us.

really, dude? are you always so generous with compliments?

i don't have anything to add, really... im not all that motivated to debate the subject that the thread starter put out - so my reaction was to not respond to the initial statement. i might want to respond with my point of view and think the opportunity to do so shouldn't be shut down just because other people disagree with dude

and im just not a huge fan of censorship.

why does this anger you so much?

[M|X|Y]

Yeah...but what kind of discussion do you have on this subject? :confused:
His assumption was wrong, so... I see no debate


i hear what you're saying, but if i was as inclined to put my own opinion out there in response to something i disagree with, i might be interested in understanding why someone could be so wrong...

maybe in order to try and get that person to understand my point of view

maybe in order to make sure i don't ever drift into that same kind of misguided route in my own thinking regarding other subjects

i think discussion leads to "enlightenment" (as someone referred to it) whereas ignoring (shutting down/censoring) leads to... ignorance, i guess.

i think its apparent that dude is a fan. however misguided - they've followed the situation this far. as a fellow fan, and if someone like them makes you itch to say your piece... then show them why they are wrong.

[Laver1969]

After having three friends die from cancer in less than a year, I'm kind of blown up by the original statement. Friends and family have already stated Yauch exhausted all aspects of medicine & therapy. Each cancer and it's progression is so unbelievably different from one person to the next. All of my friends explored as many options as they could. Watching some one go through the horrors of chemotherapy and radiation is one of the worse things you can witness, let alone experience! I'm not going into detail out of respect. Give the man some respect that he made the choices that were appropriate for his family and spirit. He and anyone who endures/endured cancer are brave.

I understand that we all want answers, but unfortunately in situations like this, the answers may never come. Can you make peace with that?

Well said... Cosignin'

[Laver1969]

not that i agree with dude (i don't) but im disturbed at how many people think the best thing to do about disagreement is to shut it down rather than have a discussion

(n)(n)(n)

It's a coulda woulda shoulda discussion that no one really knows what Yauch did or what he could have done. There's no simple solution. Therefore the discussion is going to turn into a disagreement and get ugly.

Cancer sucks...

[Micodin]

why does this anger you so much?

In short. Because he has no right questioning or second guessing what Yauch did or do to battle the cancer that was in his body. It was his battle in the end. No one else's. And we lost someone that we admire far too soon.

People on this board, his friends, family are trying to mourn the loss of a great person that affected them deeply. Talking about what he should of done is insensitive and a little too soon.

Second, his knowledge of Buddhism was ignorant and downright insulting to those who practice it and believe in it.

I was angry. Now, I feel sorry for paying this any mind.

I should let stupid shit like that slide, but it's been a rough couple weeks and when people pop shit like this it gets under my skin.

I'm done.

Positive vibes.

[Franci]

After having three friends die from cancer in less than a year, I'm kind of blown up by the original statement. Friends and family have already stated Yauch exhausted all aspects of medicine & therapy. Each cancer and it's progression is so unbelievably different from one person to the next. All of my friends explored as many options as they could. Watching some one go through the horrors of chemotherapy and radiation is one of the worse things you can witness, let alone experience! I'm not going into detail out of respect. Give the man some respect that he made the choices that were appropriate for his family and spirit. He and anyone who endures/endured cancer are brave.

I understand that we all want answers, but unfortunately in situations like this, the answers may never come. Can you make peace with that?

That's so true (y)

[Randetica]

People on this board, his friends, family are trying to mourn the loss of a great person that affected them deeply. Talking about what he should of done is insensitive and a little too soon.

or too late...

[JoLovesMCA]

In short. Because he has no right questioning or second guessing what Yauch did or do to battle the cancer that was in his body. It was his battle in the end. No one else's. And we lost someone that we admire far too soon.

People on this board, his friends, family are trying to mourn the loss of a great person that affected them deeply. Talking about what he should of done is insensitive and a little too soon.

Second, his knowledge of Buddhism was ignorant and downright insulting to those who practice it and believe in it.

I was angry. Now, I feel sorry for paying this any mind.

I should let stupid shit like that slide, but it's been a rough couple weeks and when people pop shit like this it gets under my skin.

I'm done.

Positive vibes.

Yeah that’s why when I saw this post I was thinking this won’t turn good because so many are still in an emotional state, and rightfully so. I have tried to avoid these type of discussions but at the same time I feel if Adam saw this he would be offended.


@Ezze...Its okay to disagree, but I think what gets folks riled up is that the opinion wasn’t projected as an opinion or a question. Everything that was said was as if you had some inside information and were stating facts about what he did or didn’t do. And it is insulting to Adam and his beliefs to say that he didn’t know what he was doing.

Not cool. You didn’t walk in his shoes or carry that burden. I didn’t either…

His weight loss was brought on by the radiation treatments. That’s pretty much a given. He didn’t become frail or get facial paralysis, bleeding lips, stiff neck and difficulty walking by the monks treatment. The monks didn’t do that to him. They helped ease his mind and his soul and his heart. He probably held on longer because of that. Bless his heart, he did what he could.

Luv you Adam.

[Franci]

i hear what you're saying, but if i was as inclined to put my own opinion out there in response to something i disagree with, i might be interested in understanding why someone could be so wrong...

maybe in order to try and get that person to understand my point of view

maybe in order to make sure i don't ever drift into that same kind of misguided route in my own thinking regarding other subjects

i think discussion leads to "enlightenment" (as someone referred to it) whereas ignoring (shutting down/censoring) leads to... ignorance, i guess.

i think its apparent that dude is a fan. however misguided - they've followed the situation this far. as a fellow fan, and if someone like them makes you itch to say your piece... then show them why they are wrong.


Everyone has already told him why he's wrong, he has not been ignored... now it's up to him to answer :rolleyes:
But i don't think there is more to be said

[best]

Let me guess: you work for Pfizer?

Haha, right on the money!

**** cancer. I share one thing with the thread starter, I keep seeing these great people I look up-to being taken by cancer. Adam Yauch and Bill Hicks are the two I feel the loss of the most. What have we done to our world, ourselves and the other species we share our world with?! Nuking the ionosphere, tampering with everything etc etc…

It's interesting watching G. Edward Griffin's “A World Without Cancer - The Story Of Vitamin B17”. He states how only animals in human captivity get cancer, and how not even all types of people get cancer (ie. Eskimos). It's a long while since I've seen that video though and I didn't investigate it as much as it deserves. This is serious ****.

We need to sort **** out, but not get angry — we are one.

Peace out

[llasaApso]

His weight loss was brought on by the radiation treatments. That’s pretty much a given. He didn’t become frail or get facial paralysis, bleeding lips, stiff neck and difficulty walking by the monks treatment. The monks didn’t do that to him.



Hey how do you know all that? Was that in Rolling Stone? i didn't know he had those symptoms. :(

[JoLovesMCA]

Hey how do you know all that? Was that in Rolling Stone? i didn't know he had those symptoms. :(

Not in Rollingstone. All I can say is that I saw up-close what it was doing to him. It was a personal choice to know..... I could have kept my nose out of it and remained optimistic and in the dark but I couldn't. :/

And also I guess if you know somebody who died from cancer then you also know what it was like to see them just fade away in front of your eyes.

:(

I miss you Adam. The pain is still there. It's still strong. I'll never be the same.

[Kid Presentable]

I hope you can heal some day Jo. He wouldn't want any of us to suffer for too long. There's life to be lived. Feel free to PM. :)

[llasaApso]

Not in Rollingstone. All I can say is that I saw up-close what it was doing to him. It was a personal choice to know..... I could have kept my nose out of it and remained optimistic and in the dark but I couldn't. :/

And also I guess if you know somebody who died from cancer then you also know what it was like to see them just fade away in front of your eyes.

:(

I miss you Adam. The pain is still there. It's still strong. I'll never be the same.

Oh i see. I did not realise you knew Adam personally. Well at least he's at peace now and all that bad stuff is over and done with.

[Headgotchecked]

I think that it would be wise, at this point, to illuminate the fact that in moving forward, the community will have to periodically deal with threads like these. The internet can be a very edifying place, and also a very cold and insensitive place. And in the end, we can't control who shows up and ruffles our feathers but we can at least control ourselves. Take that for what you will.

Also, I would like to point out to any and to all that this messageboard as of the past 22 days is a community that is formally in mourning. As evidenced by the obit posted on www.beastieboys.com. Please observe the obvious and logical decorum.

After that... I have an opinion on this matter but out of respect for Adam and the principles laid forth in both his and my own religious doctrines, I will conclude without having laid it out.

[JoLovesMCA]

Oh i see. I did not realise you knew Adam personally. Well at least he's at peace now and all that bad stuff is over and done with.

No!!! I didn't know him personally. It wasn't hard to find things out is all I am saying. :cool:

[FlechaRojo]

I think that it would be wise, at this point, to illuminate the fact that in moving forward, the community will have to periodically deal with threads like these. The internet can be a very edifying place, and also a very cold and insensitive place. And in the end, we can't control who shows up and ruffles our feathers but we can at least control ourselves. Take that for what you will.

Also, I would like to point out to any and to all that this messageboard as of the past 22 days is a community that is formally in mourning. As evidenced by the obit posted on www.beastieboys.com (http://www.beastieboys.com). Please observe the obvious and logical decorum.

After that... I have an opinion on this matter but out of respect for Adam and the principles laid forth in both his and my own religious doctrines, I will conclude without having laid it out.

Respect. <3

[beasties#1fan]

In short. Because he has no right questioning or second guessing what Yauch did or do to battle the cancer that was in his body. It was his battle in the end. No one else's. And we lost someone that we admire far too soon.

People on this board, his friends, family are trying to mourn the loss of a great person that affected them deeply. Talking about what he should of done is insensitive and a little too soon.

Second, his knowledge of Buddhism was ignorant and downright insulting to those who practice it and believe in it.

I was angry. Now, I feel sorry for paying this any mind.

I should let stupid shit like that slide, but it's been a rough couple weeks and when people pop shit like this it gets under my skin.

I'm done.

Positive vibes.
Yeah i totally agree...
is anyone else surprised this thread hasn't been deleted? i mean, i have seen other offensive/opinionated threads that got deleted, and it seems like it has pissed off some people..plus...there is no positive conversation any of us can have about this guy's intro...

[fonky pizza]

Haha, right on the money!

**** cancer. I share one thing with the thread starter, I keep seeing these great people I look up-to being taken by cancer. Adam Yauch and Bill Hicks are the two I feel the loss of the most. What have we done to our world, ourselves and the other species we share our world with?! Nuking the ionosphere, tampering with everything etc etc…

It's interesting watching G. Edward Griffin's “A World Without Cancer - The Story Of Vitamin B17”. He states how only animals in human captivity get cancer, and how not even all types of people get cancer (ie. Eskimos). It's a long while since I've seen that video though and I didn't investigate it as much as it deserves. This is serious ****.

We need to sort **** out, but not get angry — we are one.

Peace out

I'm with you on that(y)

[kindness09]

idk....I had cancer...i'm currently a survivor. I would do ANYTHING (prayer, medicine, clinical trials) to stay alive!! I'm almost 40.

my husband's first wife died of cancer by age 30, traveling the globe trying to find a way to SAVE HER LIFE.

hey, being a survivor, you're dealt the cards, and what you do with it is YOUR business. everyone dies....everyone dies alone. every good buddhist knows this.

loving kindness to all of you!

and a whole bunch of compassion.

(OM MANI PADME HUNG)

[YoungRemy]

idk....I had cancer...i'm currently a survivor. I would do ANYTHING (prayer, medicine, clinical trials) to stay alive!! I'm almost 40.

my husband's first wife died of cancer by age 30, traveling the globe trying to find a way to SAVE HER LIFE.

hey, being a survivor, you're dealt the cards, and what you do with it is YOUR business. everyone dies....everyone dies alone. every good buddhist knows this.

loving kindness to all of you!

and a whole bunch of compassion.

(OM MANI PADME HUNG)

boundless joy to you, kindness09

[FlechaRojo]

idk....I had cancer...i'm currently a survivor. I would do ANYTHING (prayer, medicine, clinical trials) to stay alive!! I'm almost 40.

my husband's first wife died of cancer by age 30, traveling the globe trying to find a way to SAVE HER LIFE.

hey, being a survivor, you're dealt the cards, and what you do with it is YOUR business. everyone dies....everyone dies alone. every good buddhist knows this.

loving kindness to all of you!

and a whole bunch of compassion.

(OM MANI PADME HUNG)

I am humbled by your journey. Blessings.

[llasaApso]

idk....I had cancer...i'm currently a survivor. I would do ANYTHING (prayer, medicine, clinical trials) to stay alive!! I'm almost 40.

my husband's first wife died of cancer by age 30, traveling the globe trying to find a way to SAVE HER LIFE.

hey, being a survivor, you're dealt the cards, and what you do with it is YOUR business. everyone dies....everyone dies alone. every good buddhist knows this.

loving kindness to all of you!

and a whole bunch of compassion.

(OM MANI PADME HUNG)

Hey, keep on keeping on!!!(y)