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birdfloatindown
05-30-2012, 11:29 PM
Although I am at a stage where I feel grateful and thankful for the life of Adam Yauch, and for all the good things he did and the great music he created, there is something about his death which doesn't sit right with me.

I know that it is natural to question "Why?" when someone dies so unfairly young. People try to look for reasons and sometimes, there aren't any clear ones. Now, Yauch did smoke quite a bit in his younger days. I read an old interview where he said he gave it up in 1992 or 1993. But, cancer occurs in millions of people, all over the world, so...it happens.

But why is it that so many musicians and comedians (people with far-reaching influence), the ones who question societal norms, very often end up dying so young? Bob Marley, John Lennon, Bill Hicks, and Patrice O'Neal come to mind. I'm just saying, because as much as we all loved Yauch and were devastated when we heard of his passing, make no mistake about it, there are some people in this world who, if anything, felt relief when they heard it. Yauch's death is good news for the Establishment, who love war. They've got one less entertainer with an anti-military industrial complex platform to worry about.

I think about the Tibetan Freedom Concerts. And I think about his speech at the VMA's, (not the Hornblower one; the one where he condemned anti-Arab, anti-Muslim foreign policy). And I think about the politics of "To The 5 Boroughs." I never truly realized what a brave man Adam Yauch was. He really put himself out there. And you can bet that there were people who considered him a nuisance. Why was Yauch the one to get cancer, rather than Horovitz or Diamond? They smoked, too. But they weren't as political as Yauch was.

Look, it could just be the "conspiracy theorist" in me, and I'm not trying to start anything, I just wanted to get this off my chest because it truly bothers me. And when you hear about the CIA's various shenanigans, it does make you wonder. It's really not that far-fetched. Were you aware that 5 South American leaders have cancer? Yes, it's Chavez pointing it out, but I wouldn't just dismiss it as nonsense:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2079680/Hugo-Chavez-says-US-giving-South-American-leaders-cancer.html

Governments, worldwide, have long, storied histories of getting rid of dissidents. Whatever the case, we'll probably never know for sure if anyone sabotaged Yauch. But we've all got to answer to God, karma, the universe...whatever, someday. RIP MCA. You were a TRUE patriot.

BTW, did the authorities ever find out who killed Jam Master Jay? Tupac? Biggie? No. No, they didn't.

Asking questions is never a bad thing. Again, I hope I didn't offend anyone, I just needed to get this off my chest. Cheers.

Uru-Nitro
05-31-2012, 05:02 AM
I don't have any doubt about the hability of the US governmet (I mean the dark secret side of it) to destroy any kind of "opponent". They did it in the past over and over and over again, supporting cruel dictatorships across the world just because that was better for the US (Pinochet, for example). Not trying to diss a whole nation because of their leaders, there are lots of good and honorable americans, like Yauch was.

Said that, in this case I don't think there's a conspiracy after this death. This is not another celebrity's tragedy caused by drugs or violence. It was a brave man facing his illness.

llasaApso
05-31-2012, 06:03 AM
I had the same thought briefly cross my mind I must admit.
Can't imagine US agents sabotaging Adam however, as Beastie Boys were an American national treasure.

But in the end it is all just conspiracy theories, and we'll never know one way or the other.:confused:

Randetica
05-31-2012, 06:23 AM
makes me wonder why bono is still alive then! but yeah im sure that some people who been digging too deeply got warned or more..

yauch went way too soon but then i remind myself of all the children who are dying of cancer so it also could been worse and we should be thankful for every year "with" him

JoLovesMCA
05-31-2012, 10:54 AM
This is pretty deep. I always think about the fact that so many bad people live to be 100 and somebody like Adam who did so much for the world can just be handed such a fate. Many people believe it’s just a case of bad luck but I find it hard to accept that someone like him would just have bad luck. I remember listening to some speaker about death and he said that it’s essential we suffer great loss to remind us not of our mortality, but so that we don’t turn cold hearted. All I can say is that I won’t waste any moments that we have left with Mike and Horovitz.

I am not sure how much this would pertain to Adam, but I have always been open to conspiracy theories in general. You gotta keep your mind open and not just believe everything you're told.

FlechaRojo
05-31-2012, 11:50 AM
I can think of people in my own life whom I perceived passed away "way too soon." I think it comes down to your beliefs and spirituality (and if you don;t have any, no problem with that either).

In my practice, I see people who are so open and in touch with their hearts - full of compassion. This in turn does wear and tear on their physical selves. My job is to bring people back to center, but for some people that are so intensely wrapped into societal compassion....well, just think of Atlas carrying the weight of the world.

People can PM me to discuss my theory, because I don't feel comfortable yet putting it out there into cyberspace just yet. I hope that doesn't come off as me knowing-it-all, I'm really just bursting at the seams and would love a good banter, lol. I do have an entrenched belief as to why some people end their tenure on earth sooner and sometimes more violently than others. It stirs the pot for others. We've been "stirred" by Yauch's passing. Some people will hold space, just like they have done for folks before them (John Lennon, Bob Marley, etc.), and others will take the mantle. Where there is space, someone will jump in and take the baton.

Anytime we lose anyone special, it puts our own mortality into plain view.

Discourse if healthy, I doubt you offended anyone.

YoungRemy
05-31-2012, 12:05 PM
bananas

B-A-N-A-N-A-S

FlechaRojo
05-31-2012, 12:11 PM
bananas

B-A-N-A-N-A-S

They are tasty.

Micodin
05-31-2012, 12:19 PM
bananas

B-A-N-A-N-A-S

I concur.

YoungRemy
05-31-2012, 12:34 PM
They are tasty.

flecha- I enjoyed your first post- interesting theory.

keep in mind you posted it in a thread about how the government conspired to give Adam Yauch cancer because he used his celebrity to spread his message of tolerance and non violence.

FlechaRojo
05-31-2012, 12:36 PM
Ain't no thang, YoungRemy. And yeah, I know - I was trying to bring it down to a centered level, know what I mean? :)

I was just being funny about the 'nanners. They truly are tasty though.

Franci
05-31-2012, 03:09 PM
I can think of people in my own life whom I perceived passed away "way too soon." I think it comes down to your beliefs and spirituality (and if you don;t have any, no problem with that either).

In my practice, I see people who are so open and in touch with their hearts - full of compassion. This in turn does wear and tear on their physical selves. My job is to bring people back to center, but for some people that are so intensely wrapped into societal compassion....well, just think of Atlas carrying the weight of the world.

People can PM me to discuss my theory, because I don't feel comfortable yet putting it out there into cyberspace just yet. I hope that doesn't come off as me knowing-it-all, I'm really just bursting at the seams and would love a good banter, lol. I do have an entrenched belief as to why some people end their tenure on earth sooner and sometimes more violently than others. It stirs the pot for others. We've been "stirred" by Yauch's passing. Some people will hold space, just like they have done for folks before them (John Lennon, Bob Marley, etc.), and others will take the mantle. Where there is space, someone will jump in and take the baton.

Anytime we lose anyone special, it puts our own mortality into plain view.

Discourse if healthy, I doubt you offended anyone.

That's a fascinating theory.... however it's not fair for those people who have to die young :(

FlechaRojo
05-31-2012, 03:12 PM
Very true, Franci. Unfortunately there is no "fairness" in life, imo. Just balance and rebalancing.

Billy Corbitt
05-31-2012, 04:05 PM
I have always been open to conspiracy theories in general. You gotta keep your mind open and not just believe everything you're told.

I agree, and asking questions is never a bad thing.

MCAadROCKMiKEd7
05-31-2012, 05:23 PM
Very well said.

People say they sabotaged Michael Jackson, but that's COMPLETELY off kilter and besides the point.

I think it was natural cause. Idt it was a planned attack or anything personally but it's always good to ask questions instead believing whatever you hear right off the bat. Curiousity is human, and it's intelligence.

I also think if they did do it on purpose, Yauch went out with flying colors and amounts of tribute and respect I've never seen for someone before which would be a great punch in the face for anyone involved in a sabotage.

PS
Tupac lives! Lol.

Nerd Fight
05-31-2012, 07:11 PM
The one thing people can't seem to deal with is meaninglessness. It's tempting to imagine that there's a meaningful reason behind random events to try and make sense of the cold, random universe. In Yauch's case, it was just bad fortune, not a conspiracy.

Micodin
05-31-2012, 07:54 PM
The one thing people can't seem to deal with is meaninglessness. It's tempting to imagine that there's a meaningful reason behind random events to try and make sense of the cold, random universe. In Yauch's case, it was just bad fortune, not a conspiracy.

Well put.

JasonP
05-31-2012, 08:51 PM
I don't believe in a conspiracy, but I believe in cause and effect when it comes to most types of cancer. I would like to know what those close to him believe caused that form of cancer.

kindness09
06-01-2012, 12:43 AM
really? :)

people get cancer all the time...I got cancer...I support Tibet, I support Muslim/Arab respect/rights. I question the state of Israel and am friends with Palestinians and would prefer the land given back to the Palestinians.

Is that why I got cancer? c'mon. :)