Last Photos of MCA

[Angela63]

Anyone with recent photos of Adam besides these?

http://rockonannasui.tumblr.com/post/4210439970/anna-sui-posing-with-sheryl-crow-and-adam-yauch

And

http://www.mtv.com/photos/the-beastie-boys-adam-mca-yauch-a-life-in-photos/1684480/7124849/photo.jhtml

[Angela63]

See above

[JoLovesMCA]

Fuck I hate looking at these photos sometimes. :(

Anyway here.


http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=435498513143952&set=a.155279804499159.33342.136702663023540&type=3&theater

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=436988772994926&set=a.155279804499159.33342.136702663023540&type=3&theater

[Angela63]

I don't know about anyone else but I feel really angry that the last few years of Adams of life were kept so quiet and that no one told us how very, very sick he was. He wasn't trying to hide it. Where have these pictures been up until now? I just wish people had the chance to express to him just how important and loved he truly was. I hope he can feel the love now.

[ms.peachy]

I am curious as to why you feel you were owed something to the extent that it makes you 'angry'. Nothing was stopping you from expressing love, and nothing is now either. A person's illness and how they choose to deal with it, publicly or privately, is their own business. Stop feeling angry and get on with living.

[Franci]

I don't know about anyone else but I feel really angry that the last few years of Adams of life were kept so quiet and that no one told us how very, very sick he was. He wasn't trying to hide it. Where have these pictures been up until now? I just wish people had the chance to express to him just how important and loved he truly was. I hope he can feel the love now.

When my dad was very sick, in his last period of life, a LOT of people came to visit him, just to be with him... one day he looked at me and said (sarcastically) "All these people...Well, I must REALLY be dying then!"
I was so shocked I wasn't even able to mumble "nooo, what are you talking about?!"... however I understood him, sometimes we are selfish and we do what makes us feel better (in good faith) without thinking about other people feelings.

It's obvious to me that this choice was made for Adam Yauch's tranquillity and as Ms.Peachy has said, you can express love now, like we are all doing ;)


(sorry for my bad english :rolleyes:)

[birdfloatindown]

Well, it said in the Rolling Stone article that gradually, Yauch stopped returning some phone calls and stopped seeing a lot of people. You have to remember, as Franci said, that first and foremost, YAUCH was the one who was going through this, not everyone else, and I'm sure it had to have been very difficult for him to see people, especially considering how frail he looked in those photos the last year of his life. And how he went off to Tennessee and all that? He handled things the way he wanted to handle them, and maybe he didn't want people gawking at him and worrying about him. Also, he was trying to maintain an optimistic outlook. If you truly loved the guy, then you'll respect his wishes and the way he dealt with everything.

[kimbeastie]

New here & don't have much to say except I love the Beastie Boys and Adam Yauch's death has really impacted me. I think about him everyday. I always loved their music, but had no interest in their private lives. Having said that (and seeing his reunion pictures) he has a very beautiful wife. In that picture, she is looking so sad. My thoughts are with her, his daughter, his parents, and all the Beastie fans around the world.

He dealt with his illness his own way and you can't argue with that. Yet during his final months, he took time to fight for equality during OWS demonstrations late last year. What a great man!

[Sir SkratchaLot]

Yauch is macking in those photos!

[YoungRemy]

I don't know about anyone else but I feel really angry that the last few years of Adams of life were kept so quiet and that no one told us how very, very sick he was. He wasn't trying to hide it. Where have these pictures been up until now? I just wish people had the chance to express to him just how important and loved he truly was. I hope he can feel the love now.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

before you joined in June 2012, Adam would send emails and updates to his fans and the fans were always expressing love for him through the message board and projects like PWR2MCA and a birthday wishes campaign.

those pictures were shared here last year when the events went down. around March-May 2011 were his last public appearances.

and another reason is he stayed optimistic and hopeful through his battle, as did his friends, family, and fans... he even squashed a rumor that he was totally healthy and cancer free about a year and a half ago through the website and message board.

it wasn't until late Spring 2012 that his health deteriorated rapidly, and few people in his inner circle started sharing the news. it made its way around here but it's not like we were owed anything.

[JoLovesMCA]

I don’t blame him for not wanting to write up a post saying oh yeah I am really sick, things are bad. He gave us so much within that year that Hot Sauce was released. He did his best to inform us about what was going on... I mean he did write about his beautiful view from his Hotel at Cannes last year, he read what we were commenting on about Bard and posted about that for us and he responded to the rumours about him being cancer free....When the updates stopped I didn't feel good about it but it makes me happy to know he did exactly what he wanted to do.

[Angela63]

I'm sorry you feel that way.

before you joined in June 2012, Adam would send emails and updates to his fans and the fans were always expressing love for him through the message board and projects like PWR2MCA and a birthday wishes campaign.

those pictures were shared here last year when the events went down. around March-May 2011 were his last public appearances.

and another reason is he stayed optimistic and hopeful through his battle, as did his friends, family, and fans... he even squashed a rumor that he was totally healthy and cancer free about a year and a half ago through the website and message board.

it wasn't until late Spring 2012 that his health deteriorated rapidly, and few people in his inner circle started sharing the news. it made its way around here but it's not like we were owed anything.

All you politically correct do-gooders crack me up! I guess none of you know it alls ever took anyone for granted? Assumed that all loved ones would always be there? If you had had a loved one who was that sick, you wouldn't want to know? And if the answer is yes- then WHY would you want to know??? Possibly so that you could make sure that the loved one KNEW one hundred percent how very much they were loved?

I never said I felt I was "owed" anything. I never said that Adam was not entitled to deal with his illness anyway that he wanted to. I said I was angry. I simply never seen any of these pics before and I am just shocked to see them now.

Those of you who sit back and analyze every word and every feeling that someone has, just to tell them that they are wrong or imply that they are horrible people or loved Adam any less than you - SUCK!!!!

Maybe it's you guys who didn't know Adam because he wasn't about this kind of BS. Maybe it's you blabber mouth do gooders need to find somewhere else to sling your hatered of anyone who has a thought that is different then yours!

"you think that you can front when revelation comes"

[YoungRemy]

Angela- do me a favor and re-read my post in response to yours and then read your reply back to me and tell me who's the one slinging hatred in this thread.

do you feel better or less angry calling people politically blabber mouther correct do gooder know it alls?

dont get it twisted.
my reply was a decent hearted response to your question of the photos which were totally posted here last year and the outreach to and from Yauch from this community of loving fans.

I do feel confident in my reply that answered your question but I'm not so sure that you are dealing with your anger in the right way. I am really sorry that my reply triggered that emotional response out of you but I understand that everyone is dealing with the death of Adam in their own way. he was a great human being.

[birdfloatindown]

If you had had a loved one who was that sick, you wouldn't want to know?

Angela, being a fan and being a family member/close friend are two completely different things. You and I and everyone on this board may have loved Yauch as a performer and from what we knew about him as a person, but we are not and were not owed anything from him. The only people he owed anything to were his parents, his wife and his daughter. That's it. Don't take anything personally.

[Angela63]

I am curious as to why you feel you were owed something to the extent that it makes you 'angry'. Nothing was stopping you from expressing love, and nothing is now either. A person's illness and how they choose to deal with it, publicly or privately, is their own business. Stop feeling angry and get on with living.


Dear Ms. Peachy,

Your post about my feelings says a whole lot about your character. Your need to attack me because I expressed a feeling is exactly what Adam, Mike, and Ad-Rock, were and are NOT about. YOU assumed I felt I was "Owed" something and that was not at all what I was saying. I feel sorry for you that you have nothing better to do then tell others how they are suppose to feel. Did it make you feel superior by explaining the obvious?
I forgive you though because that's the kind of person I am. You really didn't mean to tell me how to feel. And thank you for the advice. I will "get on with living" and if you care, today I am not feeling angry. Listening to their music and watching some utube videos and feeling happy. How can you not watching Ad-Rock dance!

[Angela63]

Angela- do me a favor and re-read my post in response to yours and then read your reply back to me and tell me who's the one slinging hatred in this thread.

do you feel better or less angry calling people politically blabber mouther correct do gooder know it alls?

dont get it twisted.
my reply was a decent hearted response to your question of the photos which were totally posted here last year and the outreach to and from Yauch from this community of loving fans.

I do feel confident in my reply that answered your question but I'm not so sure that you are dealing with your anger in the right way. I am really sorry that my reply triggered that emotional response out of you but I understand that everyone is dealing with the death of Adam in their own way. he was a great human being.





Please tell me WHERE I said I was "owed" something? The simple fact that you felt the need to insert the date I joined this message board tells me that me or my feelings were not welcomed here. This is my final post. I would think the one place in the whole world that I could express a feeling I had, would have been here.

[Franci]

All you politically correct do-gooders crack me up! I guess none of you know it alls ever took anyone for granted? Assumed that all loved ones would always be there? If you had had a loved one who was that sick, you wouldn't want to know? And if the answer is yes- then WHY would you want to know??? Possibly so that you could make sure that the loved one KNEW one hundred percent how very much they were loved?

I never said I felt I was "owed" anything. I never said that Adam was not entitled to deal with his illness anyway that he wanted to. I said I was angry. I simply never seen any of these pics before and I am just shocked to see them now.

Those of you who sit back and analyze every word and every feeling that someone has, just to tell them that they are wrong or imply that they are horrible people or loved Adam any less than you - SUCK!!!!

Maybe it's you guys who didn't know Adam because he wasn't about this kind of BS. Maybe it's you blabber mouth do gooders need to find somewhere else to sling your hatered of anyone who has a thought that is different then yours!

"you think that you can front when revelation comes"

how many beasties fans are there in the WORLD?
It's not just you
Do you really think it would have been nice for him to be bothered by thousands and thousands of fans, even if in good faith?
:confused:

Then, I'm sure he knew that his fans loved him.

[YoungRemy]

Please tell me WHERE I said I was "owed" something?

"I don't know about anyone else but I feel really angry that the last few years of Adams of life were kept so quiet and that no one told us how very, very sick he was."

that statement seems to correlate that you wished you had more information on the status of Adam's health but I am a bit confused as you just registered this month on the message board, hence the reference.

the information has been flowing smoothly for the last couple of years.

I think deep down in our heart of hearts, we knew Adam was suffering. we wanted to be as optimistic as possible but the photos like the one you posted first which was posted in March 2011 here (http://bbs.beastieboys.com/showthread.php?t=95983) & here (http://bbs.beastieboys.com/showthread.php?t=69399&page=17) show the effects of his heroic struggle

welcome to the community, you seem like a level headed and rational poster!

and by all means, your feelings are completely welcome here.

[Randetica]

he was trying to maintain an optimistic outlook. If you truly loved the guy, then you'll respect his wishes and the way he dealt with everything.

AMEN.

[Guy Incognito]

I was going to comment on whats been said i above but i think this expresses what i want to say better.

When my first child was born, my father was really really ill. It was only a matter of time really. So we went to visit him at home and he was gaunt, frail, had a mad beard and was looking very very ill.
Obviously being a new dad i had been rather shutter happy with my camera since the birth. My wife handed my daughter over to my dad and he beamed with pride and said to her "You have no idea how much i wanted to see you".
I tried to get a photo but he turned away, and my wife shot me a look and i put the camera down.
I was really disappointed because i really wasnt sure if i would get a picture with him and my daughter.

He was rushed to hospital the next day and the doctor told me that he had a ten percent chance of surviving the night. I went to see him in his bed and gave him a few bits he'd asked for like pyjamas and toothpaste and also gave him a pic of my new baby in a little frame.
He survived the night but died three weeks later. Unfortunately due to hospital rules about infection he never got to see my daughter again but kept looking at that picture and commenting and he admitted to me that seeing her was all he had left to live for.

That picture of my daughter is now up on the living room wall and there is not a day i dont look at that picture and think of my dad and i'm glad that i have that pic to make me think about him and our life together rather than a picture of him at his weakest.

[Headgotchecked]

Hey gang, in a spirit of peace, love and compassion, I just want to encourage people to take a step back and be really, really careful with how we respond to each other in regards to the grief expressed over Adam. Angela's not some big baddie, she's just processing her emotions right now. I don't see someone that's acting like she was "owed" anything, I just see someone that didn't know as much as she would've liked to have known and felt broad-sided over his death.

I know it's tough, and I know that it's easy to bristle and respond back with fiery emotion, because we're all hurting. I just think we have to stay focused as a community to treat each other in the aftermath, the same way that Adam would've wanted.

[Angela63]

Hey gang, in a spirit of peace, love and compassion, I just want to encourage people to take a step back and be really, really careful with how we respond to each other in regards to the grief expressed over Adam. Angela's not some big baddie, she's just processing her emotions right now. I don't see someone that's acting like she was "owed" anything, I just see someone that didn't know as much as she would've liked to have known and felt broad-sided over his death.

I know it's tough, and I know that it's easy to bristle and respond back with fiery emotion, because we're all hurting. I just think we have to stay focused as a community to treat each other in the aftermath, the same way that Adam would've wanted.

Thank you for your kind words and understanding. I may not have chosen the correct words but I'm not one to analyze things anyway. It's nice to know that there are those that do not do that to every word that comes from some ones mouth.

Anyway I do love Adam and the band. They are 3 unique individuals that we are all so lucky that they found each other and gave us some awesome music. I feel terrible for all of his family, friends, and fans. He was a very special human being. I wish I could
Have been lucky enough to know him. The strange thing has always been that seeing their videos and watching their interviews, I feel like I do.

So thank you again, headgotchecked- you to have some of the same good qualities that Adam had. He would be proud :)

[JoLovesMCA]

Actually one of Adam's friends said in an interview with People that he did not want to burden people with giving details on his condition. Patrick Swayze chose to be vocal. He even went on TV interviews while his condition was at its worse. Mike and Adam didn't even know because Yauch made that choice not to tell them. He was protecting them. It was the sweetest most unselfish thing a person can do. I can only hope that I am as strong as Adam if I am ever faced with something so terrifying.

My aunt did the same thing before she died last year. She refused to tell any of us how bad her cancer had gotten. My uncle didn't let us come over by her request. After she died he told us that she just didn't want anybody to know. I think the one person who did know was Dechen. If there is anybody I am thinking of most these days is her. She saw it all. I hope she and Losel are doing okay right now.

[ms.peachy]

Dear Ms. Peachy,

Your post about my feelings says a whole lot about your character. Your need to attack me because I expressed a feeling is exactly what Adam, Mike, and Ad-Rock, were and are NOT about. YOU assumed I felt I was "Owed" something and that was not at all what I was saying. I feel sorry for you that you have nothing better to do then tell others how they are suppose to feel. Did it make you feel superior by explaining the obvious?
I forgive you though because that's the kind of person I am. You really didn't mean to tell me how to feel. And thank you for the advice. I will "get on with living" and if you care, today I am not feeling angry. Listening to their music and watching some utube videos and feeling happy. How can you not watching Ad-Rock dance!

I am not here to fight with you. I did not attack you and do not require any forgiveness. I think you need to take some deep breaths and maybe walk away for a while. You are interpreting everything I (and others) have said through a very dark and narrow filter. I think someday you might be able to re-read this thread and see it, but you are too close to it now and can't. I am glad you are feeling a bit better now. Stay open to live and light, and keep moving away from the darkness.

[Angela63]

I am not here to fight with you. I did not attack you and do not require any forgiveness. I think you need to take some deep breaths and maybe walk away for a while. You are interpreting everything I (and others) have said through a very dark and narrow filter. I think someday you might be able to re-read this thread and see it, but you are too close to it now and can't. I am glad you are feeling a bit better now. Stay open to live and light, and keep moving away from the darkness.


Geez lady! Don't you ever get tired of telling people what they should be doing or how to act and how to feel? Your rude remark to me was uncalled for. But in the spirit of peace and out of respect to everyone on these threads, I chose to turn it into something positive- which may be more than you deserved because you just don't quit.

So please if you want to tell others how to act and how to feel, and they wish to accept it- that's terrific! Personally I don't liked being told how to feel or that "I need to move away from the darkness" or that one day i will look back on what you said and see it in a different light or whatever profound bs you feel like writing.

So wether you want it or feel you needed it, or not... I still forgive you, maybe now we can move on?

[pshabi]

This is my final post.

LATER!

(yes......somewhat ironic)

[DJ_Skrilla]

I just bought a bunch of records from the thrift store to paint on. This one had a kinda cool cover so I grabbed it. I put a yauch stencil on it, didnt really realize why at the time, just check it out. He is forever. We will miss you Adam.
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/1975/mcam.jpg

I should send this to his parents...

[harwordc11]

That's very nice photo. I have downloaded this images.
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[Swooziemoonshoe]

I was going to comment on whats been said i above but i think this expresses what i want to say better.

When my first child was born, my father was really really ill. It was only a matter of time really. So we went to visit him at home and he was gaunt, frail, had a mad beard and was looking very very ill.
Obviously being a new dad i had been rather shutter happy with my camera since the birth. My wife handed my daughter over to my dad and he beamed with pride and said to her "You have no idea how much i wanted to see you".
I tried to get a photo but he turned away, and my wife shot me a look and i put the camera down.
I was really disappointed because i really wasnt sure if i would get a picture with him and my daughter.

He was rushed to hospital the next day and the doctor told me that he had a ten percent chance of surviving the night. I went to see him in his bed and gave him a few bits he'd asked for like pyjamas and toothpaste and also gave him a pic of my new baby in a little frame.
He survived the night but died three weeks later. Unfortunately due to hospital rules about infection he never got to see my daughter again but kept looking at that picture and commenting and he admitted to me that seeing her was all he had left to live for.

That picture of my daughter is now up on the living room wall and there is not a day i dont look at that picture and think of my dad and i'm glad that i have that pic to make me think about him and our life together rather than a picture of him at his weakest.

This is an amazing post: just a few paragraphs but I have learnt from it. You must be so glad your Dad got to hold your new baby.

[Angela63]

I just bought a bunch of records from the thrift store to paint on. This one had a kinda cool cover so I grabbed it. I put a yauch stencil on it, didnt really realize why at the time, just check it out. He is forever. We will miss you Adam.
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/1975/mcam.jpg

I should send this to his parents...


This is Awesome!!! Maybe one of the guys will see it and forward it to Adams parents. I have been told one of the guys for sure, checks out these boards regularly.

You have a REAL talent. There is a thread set up just for pic tributes to MCA. Make sure you post it there too! Thanks for sharing that:)

[Guy Incognito]

This is an amazing post: just a few paragraphs but I have learnt from it. You must be so glad your Dad got to hold your new baby.

thanks , yeah it was obvious he was holding out until she was born which is pretty amazing considering how ill he really was. He did very well at hiding it from all his family for a long time.


It took quite a while to write that post but felt quite cathartic afterwards even after all these years. I just hope my point was got across. I understand a lot of the feelings in this thread. Grief does different things to different people.

The one thing i learned about it is to try not to be angry or upset about anything as it really changes nothing and makes you feel worse. There are going to be things that anger people when grieving, but i tried to be as constructive as i could about my darker feelings when my dad died. I just take pleasure in remembering things now if that makes any sense.
I am not having a go at anyone here btw, you feel how you want to but know that grief is more of a journey and you wont always feel like you do now.

[Kid Presentable]

I was going to comment on whats been said i above but i think this expresses what i want to say better.

When my first child was born, my father was really really ill. It was only a matter of time really. So we went to visit him at home and he was gaunt, frail, had a mad beard and was looking very very ill.
Obviously being a new dad i had been rather shutter happy with my camera since the birth. My wife handed my daughter over to my dad and he beamed with pride and said to her "You have no idea how much i wanted to see you".
I tried to get a photo but he turned away, and my wife shot me a look and i put the camera down.
I was really disappointed because i really wasnt sure if i would get a picture with him and my daughter.

He was rushed to hospital the next day and the doctor told me that he had a ten percent chance of surviving the night. I went to see him in his bed and gave him a few bits he'd asked for like pyjamas and toothpaste and also gave him a pic of my new baby in a little frame.
He survived the night but died three weeks later. Unfortunately due to hospital rules about infection he never got to see my daughter again but kept looking at that picture and commenting and he admitted to me that seeing her was all he had left to live for.

That picture of my daughter is now up on the living room wall and there is not a day i dont look at that picture and think of my dad and i'm glad that i have that pic to make me think about him and our life together rather than a picture of him at his weakest.

Aye, well said. (y)

[ms.peachy]

... maybe now we can move on?

Wow.

Indeed, I hope you can.

[Angela63]

thanks , yeah it was obvious he was holding out until she was born which is pretty amazing considering how ill he really was. He did very well at hiding it from all his family for a long time.


It took quite a while to write that post but felt quite cathartic afterwards even after all these years. I just hope my point was got across. I understand a lot of the feelings in this thread. Grief does different things to different people.

The one thing i learned about it is to try not to be angry or upset about anything as it really changes nothing and makes you feel worse. There are going to be things that anger people when grieving, but i tried to be as constructive as i could about my darker feelings when my dad died. I just take pleasure in remembering things now if that makes any sense.
I am not having a go at anyone here btw, you feel how you want to but know that grief is more of a journey and you wont always feel like you do now.

Your dad must have been pretty special to care so much that he didn't want you to take a photo of him that sick. He didn't want you to remember him that way. That is one of the hardest things about losing someone. You don't want to remember them that way.

My dad too passed away last year. The hospital called us at 6:00 in the morning to come to the hospital right away but it was too late when we got there. At first, that image of him was all I could think about. But you are right about the journey. Now when I think of him, that's not the first thing I see. I can almost look past that now. I hope as more time goes by I don't think of that at all.

I knew Adam had cancer and also heard the now "false rumors" that he was better. I was just so shocked to see him looking that sick. I didn't know pictures of just how sick he was existed. I have heard about message boards but have never joined any until this one. I guess I should have thought a little better about what I was writing and how it would appear to others.

I am so happy for you that you have that picture to make you smile. Thank you for sharing your story. :)

[Guy Incognito]

Your dad must have been pretty special to care so much that he didn't want you to take a photo of him that sick. He didn't want you to remember him that way. That is one of the hardest things about losing someone. You don't want to remember them that way.

My dad too passed away last year. The hospital called us at 6:00 in the morning to come to the hospital right away but it was too late when we got there. At first, that image of him was all I could think about. But you are right about the journey. Now when I think of him, that's not the first thing I see. I can almost look past that now. I hope as more time goes by I don't think of that at all.

I knew Adam had cancer and also heard the now "false rumors" that he was better. I was just so shocked to see him looking that sick. I didn't know pictures of just how sick he was existed. I have heard about message boards but have never joined any until this one. I guess I should have thought a little better about what I was writing and how it would appear to others.

I am so happy for you that you have that picture to make you smile. Thank you for sharing your story. :)

sorry to hear about your dad.

I think shock is the big word in your last post. grieving does that to people. I just wanted to try to convey that being upset and reacting badly doesnt help the grieving process.

I went to bereavement counselling after my dad died and discussed some of it on this board and Peachy was one of the people to give me sound, helpful ,straightforward advice. She can speak for herself but she is one of the people on here whose i opinion on a subject such as this that i would trust and value.

Any comments on this thread that may have upset you have only been made because people didnt want you to feel the way you did and wanted to help you get through it.

[venusvenus123]

I think these words, written by Grace Woodroofe for Heath Ledger soon after he died a few years ago, are so beautiful. Well, listening to the song makes them very beautiful.

My dad wrote four words on a tiny piece of paper,
These are the stages you'll go through
Shock, anger and deep sadness,
In time acceptance will come too.
Well, I wish I could fast forward the time,
Or for that matter, rewind.

I think it's perfectly normal to be angry when someone suddenly dies. Plus, everyone deals with grief in their own way. It's never easy :(

Thanks for sharing your story GI. (y)

[MCAadROCKMiKEd7]

Anyone with recent photos of Adam besides these?

http://rockonannasui.tumblr.com/post/4210439970/anna-sui-posing-with-sheryl-crow-and-adam-yauch

And

http://www.mtv.com/photos/the-beastie-boys-adam-mca-yauch-a-life-in-photos/1684480/7124849/photo.jhtml

These ones made me sad, it made me feel a sense of happiness that he was out and having a good time but he looks so worn out :(

[fonky pizza]

I don't know about anyone else but I feel really angry that the last few years of Adams of life were kept so quiet and that no one told us how very, very sick he was. He wasn't trying to hide it. Where have these pictures been up until now? I just wish people had the chance to express to him just how important and loved he truly was. I hope he can feel the love now.

I hear you, it is so sad, I saw some of these before...my anger is towards medical failure, I am sorry to be that raw but did they have to damage his facial nerve that much during surgery?? There are no other ways?!? Is that curing??

I had, as a kid, surgery at the same place, on the neck behind the ear, I was lucky enough to get a partial anesthesia and during the whole operation they'd ask me to smile and make movements with my face so that my facial nerve would't get damaged....
Okay okay, I imagine, cancer is soooo important, so big, such a curse, so dangerous you can't chop it off like that...you need big surgery, big anesthesia, big meds, big money......while and still, cars run, and guns shoot and military tests poisoning our earth!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

[Angela63]

Your post made me wonder "how much of every dollar raised to fight cancer goes to Starbucks habits and their dinner martini's? Or their expensed business trips???" instead of raising money to "fight" cancer we should be raising money for the person who cures it or the person who can figure out more humane ways of treating it??

[JoLovesMCA]

These ones made me sad, it made me feel a sense of happiness that he was out and having a good time but he looks so worn out :(

The facial paralysis creates stiffness which disallowed him to smile or show emotions on his face. In his mind and heart he’s feeling it but on the outside it was all disabled. It’s truly heartbreaking. And what it did to his jaw makes me wonder how he was able to record, but he was such a strong person. That's why he held on for as long as he did. ;)

[Franci]

Your post made me wonder "how much of every dollar raised to fight cancer goes to Starbucks habits and their dinner martini's? Or their expensed business trips???" instead of raising money to "fight" cancer we should be raising money for the person who cures it or the person who can figure out more humane ways of treating it??

Well, I guess that's where the medicine is at nowadays
I don't think money for research are badly spent, this illness is complex and hard to figure it out...
There will never be an easy way to treat it :(
However many improvements were made in the last decades, I hope for the future!

[gumkojima]

On cancer research from “Understanding Power: The Indispensable Chomsky” (pp 285-6):

“It’s sort of what happens in cancer research: Congress is funding a lot of cellular biology because they want somebody to discover a cure for cancer by the time they get it, but what the scientists are doing is just what they know how to do — and what they know how to do has nothing to do with cancer, what they know how to do is work with big molecules. Maybe a cure for cancer will come out of it someday, but that’s sort of by the side. And that’s pretty much the way it goes in the sciences: you can work on what you understand, you can’t work on what people tell you to solve ...”

[Angela63]

Well, I guess that's where the medicine is at nowadays
I don't think money for research are badly spent, this illness is complex and hard to figure it out...
There will never be an easy way to treat it :(
However many improvements were made in the last decades, I hope for the future!


I have to wonder if you would be so blasé about cancer if it were your loved one, spouse, friend who was affected? I've kinda been on both sides of it. My aunt passed away from ovarian cancer at an early age. I saw the Torture she endured trying to fight it. You don't know weather it would be better if they just passed away from the cancer vs the torture they go through trying to fight it. But I know a lot of cancer survivors that are here because they did fight it.

On the other hand my mother works for a very large pharmaceutical company and deals with many scientist and labs and I gotta tell you, white water rafting trips, in the name of business expenses, leave my mind to wander.

I am not implying that all money for research is poorly spent but why can I sit in a cave in east bumfuck and talk to someone in a cave in west bumfuck? And not only can I talk to these people but they can SEE ME talking to them? We are smarter than this and I hope you are wrong and there someday will be an easy way to treat cancer.

[fonky pizza]

Your post made me wonder "how much of every dollar raised to fight cancer goes to Starbucks habits and their dinner martini's? Or their expensed business trips???" instead of raising money to "fight" cancer we should be raising money for the person who cures it or the person who can figure out more humane ways of treating it??

haha, there was a scandal on a raising money foundation in France some years ago, a lot of money went into peoples pockets, but my point is not distrusting medical research and foundations, money indeed rules the world but it's not the only power we have.

It's crazy to breath all this pollution in the street, it's absurd to keep on poisoning the earth and its leaving creatures and keep wondering why!? Speed up research but slow down this world.

[fonky pizza]

However many improvements were made in the last decades, I hope for the future!
(y)

[Franci]

I have to wonder if you would be so blasé about cancer if it were your loved one, spouse, friend who was affected? I've kinda been on both sides of it. My aunt passed away from ovarian cancer at an early age. I saw the Torture she endured trying to fight it. You don't know weather it would be better if they just passed away from the cancer vs the torture they go through trying to fight it. But I know a lot of cancer survivors that are here because they did fight it.

On the other hand my mother works for a very large pharmaceutical company and deals with many scientist and labs and I gotta tell you, white water rafting trips, in the name of business expenses, leave my mind to wander.

I am not implying that all money for research is poorly spent but why can I sit in a cave in east bumfuck and talk to someone in a cave in west bumfuck? And not only can I talk to these people but they can SEE ME talking to them? We are smarter than this and I hope you are wrong and there someday will be an easy way to treat cancer.


My father died of cancer, he was the person I loved the most in my all life
Am I entitled to express my opinion now?

[Angela63]

You most definitely are entitled to your own opinion. As I am too. We probably would not be having this discussion if it wasnt for the fact that, throughout this thread, everytime I expressed mine, you did not have a negative response to whatever I have said.

I am sorry that your dad had passed away from cancer. I am sorry for your loss. But I would think that would be all the more reason that you would feel a little stronger about medical advances BUT that is only my opinion. That does not make you a bad person or me. Nothing is ever good enough when it comes to people I love.

[kimbeastie]

Chris Rock once said he thinks cancer treatment do more harm than good, but nothing will improve because too many people are making money from cancer treatment. I hate to say this (considering how some might misread a poster's comments) but I wonder how much damage chemotherapy and radiation do to a person?

I know two church members whose death certificate states they died from cancer, but upon further investigation the chemotherapy damaged their hearts which actually killed them and not the cancer. I read how some of Adam's friends tried to talk him out of using Western treatments all together (which I believe he used first). I am aware he tried all types of treatments.

I don't know what to think and I am not second guessing Adam's treatments. You look at Dick Gregory, who totally bypassed Western treatment, and is still healthy and strong. I know a lady that went 100% raw Vegan and is still living 20 years later with no use of cancer treatments. What am I saying? I'm just blabbing because I am still in shock over Adam's death. I hope my comments doesn't offend anyone...I'm thinking loudly.

[Franci]

You most definitely are entitled to your own opinion. As I am too. We probably would not be having this discussion if it wasnt for the fact that, throughout this thread, everytime I expressed mine, you did not have a negative response to whatever I have said.

I am sorry that your dad had passed away from cancer. I am sorry for your loss. But I would think that would be all the more reason that you would feel a little stronger about medical advances BUT that is only my opinion. That does not make you a bad person or me. Nothing is ever good enough when it comes to people I love.


:confused:

I feel for medical advances, I give money to airc (that's the italian association for research against cancer) for that reason and I really do hope for the future, because it's a long process (researching) and UNFORTUNATELY it is slow.:(

I'm not saying that treatments are OK, they are invasive and brutal and a torture but people agree to undergo them because it's the only way to survive...at the state medicine is nowadays.

You do it because you hope to make it and you want to live.

That's what i was trying to say, maybe it wasn't clear because english it's not my mother tongue however have a nice day :rolleyes:

Ciao!

[venusvenus123]

Reading this thread is like watching a doubles ping-pong tournament...

I hadn't given a huge amount of thought to cancer treatment and its merits or demerits until now. I had accepted at face value that chemotherapy/radiation is where the science is right now. My friend is currently undergoing chemotherapy for breast cancer. She has had both her breasts removed and the chemo is making her very sick. She is from a family of doctors and scientists so I suppose I sort of accept that she's of the opinion that there ain't much to fight cancer with except this hideous therapy.

I have cystic fibrosis and when I get sick (like, now) I am wholly dependent on anti-biotics, some of which make me extremely sick.
I accept that I am better of with them than without them. Without them I wouldn't be alive today; I certainly wouldn't have survived beyond 6 months.

I find this woman's twitter feed interesting to read: https://twitter.com/#!/xeni . She has been battling breast cancer for the past six months or so. There's an interesting exchange around 10 june between her and this guy called @tbias about alternative treatment.
Thing is, there are a lot of people out there willing to exploit people's sickness. :(

[MCAadROCKMiKEd7]

The facial paralysis creates stiffness which disallowed him to smile or show emotions on his face. In his mind and heart he’s feeling it but on the outside it was all disabled. It’s truly heartbreaking. And what it did to his jaw makes me wonder how he was able to record, but he was such a strong person. That's why he held on for as long as he did. ;)

And I'm sure the recordings will be mind blowing, like you said it's already pretty crazy and strong of him to even be recording. I did not realize the paralysis got that bad :( unable to smile?

:'(

[birdfloatindown]

The bottom line is this: In the western world, EVERYTHING causes cancer, and until people start addressing the CAUSES, rather than just some far off cure that may or may not lay ahead in the distance, nothing's going to change. Deodorant, makeup, shampoo, laundry detergent, preservatives in food...do you really think all of that stuff absorbed into your body is a good thing? There's a reason why people who live in rural, isolated areas of the world don't get cancer. It's because they aren't bombarded by manufactured crap that might make their lives more convenient, but shortens their lifespans considerably. This isn't rocket science; we all know what we need to do, but it will never happen because big business will never allow it. Just keep throwing money at a fictional cure, so that it detracts from the elephant in the room, which is: all we need to do to "cure" cancer is to stop putting all this artificial crap into our bodies and into the environment.

BTW, stay away from that ridiculous charity that MLB crams down our throats every year; that "Stand Up to Cancer" horseshit. It's a total scam, and that guy that they always put in the booth to beg for money ought to be ashamed of himself. It's the corporations' way of making it look like they're doing something productive to eradicate cancer, when in reality, all it is is a cover-up, just like the steroid scandal was. Throwing money at a disease ain't gonna do a thing. When's the last time you saw a report on the news about the causes of cancer? You don't see it, because many of the network's sponsors are the ones that are causing it, and they're the ones that are paying the bills.

[kimbeastie]

The bottom line is this: In the western world, EVERYTHING causes cancer, and until people start addressing the CAUSES, rather than just some far off cure that may or may not lay ahead in the distance, nothing's going to change. Deodorant, makeup, shampoo, laundry detergent, preservatives in food...do you really think all of that stuff absorbed into your body is a good thing? There's a reason why people who live in rural, isolated areas of the world don't get cancer. It's because they aren't bombarded by manufactured crap that might make their lives more convenient, but shortens their lifespans considerably. This isn't rocket science; we all know what we need to do, but it will never happen because big business will never allow it. Just keep throwing money at a fictional cure, so that it detracts from the elephant in the room, which is: all we need to do to "cure" cancer is to stop putting all this artificial crap into our bodies and into the environment.

BTW, stay away from that ridiculous charity that MLB crams down our throats every year; that "Stand Up to Cancer" horseshit. It's a total scam, and that guy that they always put in the booth to beg for money ought to be ashamed of himself. It's the corporations' way of making it look like they're doing something productive to eradicate cancer, when in reality, all it is is a cover-up, just like the steroid scandal was. Throwing money at a disease ain't gonna do a thing. When's the last time you saw a report on the news about the causes of cancer? You don't see it, because many of the network's sponsors are the ones that are causing it, and they're the ones that are paying the bills.


You said what I wanted to say, but I didn't want to offend anyone. We need to do more research on PREVENTIVE care. I am trying to incorporate natural products into my lifestyle including growing my own food or buying food directly from farmers.

[Angela63]

. This isn't rocket science; we all know what we need to do, but it will never happen because big business will never allow it.

This statement pretty much says it all.

Look at all the money that is spent on chemically treated bottled water such as Dasani among others. What choice do we have - its that or drink the so called "spring" water or the stuff that's pumped into our homes that big business has polluted and Joe Schmoe next door dumped his medicines and god knows what else he flushes down the toilet- as instructed by government officials.

I would love to know a better way :confused:

[Franci]

The bottom line is this: In the western world, EVERYTHING causes cancer, and until people start addressing the CAUSES, rather than just some far off cure that may or may not lay ahead in the distance, nothing's going to change. Deodorant, makeup, shampoo, laundry detergent, preservatives in food...do you really think all of that stuff absorbed into your body is a good thing? There's a reason why people who live in rural, isolated areas of the world don't get cancer. It's because they aren't bombarded by manufactured crap that might make their lives more convenient, but shortens their lifespans considerably. This isn't rocket science; we all know what we need to do, but it will never happen because big business will never allow it. Just keep throwing money at a fictional cure, so that it detracts from the elephant in the room, which is: all we need to do to "cure" cancer is to stop putting all this artificial crap into our bodies and into the environment.

BTW, stay away from that ridiculous charity that MLB crams down our throats every year; that "Stand Up to Cancer" horseshit. It's a total scam, and that guy that they always put in the booth to beg for money ought to be ashamed of himself. It's the corporations' way of making it look like they're doing something productive to eradicate cancer, when in reality, all it is is a cover-up, just like the steroid scandal was. Throwing money at a disease ain't gonna do a thing. When's the last time you saw a report on the news about the causes of cancer? You don't see it, because many of the network's sponsors are the ones that are causing it, and they're the ones that are paying the bills.

So how should medical science progress if you don't invest in research (causes, treatments)... I agree with you that causes are a fundamental issue but what about sick people and people who are going to be sick?

There has been a lot of improvements through the years, just few decades ago to be diagnosed with cancer would mean death and death only.
Nowadays at least you can fight and sometimes you can succeed

I don't know about that "stand up for cancer":rolleyes:, however I'm sure that in the States there are associations you can trust

[Angela63]

Chris Rock once said he thinks cancer treatment do more harm than good, but nothing will improve because too many people are making money from cancer treatment. I hate to say this (considering how some might misread a poster's comments) but I wonder how much damage chemotherapy and radiation do to a person?

I know two church members whose death certificate states they died from cancer, but upon further investigation the chemotherapy damaged their hearts which actually killed them and not the cancer. I read how some of Adam's friends tried to talk him out of using Western treatments all together (which I believe he used first). I am aware he tried all types of treatments.

I don't know what to think and I am not second guessing Adam's treatments. You look at Dick Gregory, who totally bypassed Western treatment, and is still healthy and strong. I know a lady that went 100% raw Vegan and is still living 20 years later with no use of cancer treatments. What am I saying? I'm just blabbing because I am still in shock over Adam's death. I hope my comments doesn't offend anyone...I'm thinking loudly.

I don't think you should worry about offending anyone with your thoughts. If nothing else it gives others a chance to think and people can take what they want from what you have to say. Unless you are personally attacking someone or trying to make someone feel stupid (I won't mention any names;) ) you should not worry about offending anyone.

Your post made me think about the effects that stuff has on our bodies. Even in someone whose health is not already compromised by cancer, that stuff is potent. Someone in that position has the right to hear all the pros and cons. Doctors, hospitals, pharmaceutical companies, television networks ... everyone is censored by our government. We are told only what they want us to hear. We sometimes only know the truth by communicating to each other.

After reading some of the post here about facial paralysis... Makes me feel even sadder to know that as sick as Adam was he still wanted to fight. It makes me feel even sadder that his wife and daughter had to watch him struggle. It does make me happy to know that he had the two of them right by his side and he had all the love that he needed.

[fonky pizza]

What everyone can do is to educate one self so people can be more free to choose...their food for example.

Here's a list I'd like to share with you about anticancer actions one can make by himself. It's from a book called Anticancer written by Dr. Servan Schreiber
http://www.anticancerbook.com/steps.html

[pm0ney]

What everyone can do is to educate one self so people can be more free to choose...their food for example.

Here's a list I'd like to share with you about anticancer actions one can make by himself. It's from a book called Anticancer written by Dr. Servan Schreiber
http://www.anticancerbook.com/steps.html

So basically someone wrote a book saying to eat more fruits and vegetables and not eat as much red meat and fat? Oh, and smoking is bad?

Sorry for the sarcasm but if I never see another "book" like that as long as I live I'll be happy. The book that someone should really write is "Now That We're all VERY well informed, show some restraint and put down the Big Mac."

[fonky pizza]

So basically someone wrote a book saying to eat more fruits and vegetables and not eat as much red meat and fat? Oh, and smoking is bad?

Sorry for the sarcasm but if I never see another "book" like that as long as I live I'll be happy. The book that someone should really write is "Now That We're all VERY well informed, show some restraint and put down the Big Mac."

I don't get what you're complaining about, you're making it so that obvious, someone should read the book before talking bs.

Aren't you the one who was complaining about the chewing gum too? :cool:

[Angela63]

What everyone can do is to educate one self so people can be more free to choose...their food for example.

Here's a list I'd like to share with you about anticancer actions one can make by himself. It's from a book called Anticancer written by Dr. Servan Schreiber
http://www.anticancerbook.com/steps.html


I would love to check it out. Knowledge is power- so they say. Can't hurt though:)

[pm0ney]

I don't get what you're complaining about, you're making it so that obvious, someone should read the book before talking bs.

Aren't you the one who was complaining about the chewing gum too? :cool:

Haha, all I'm saying is the market for self help books has become bigger than the pool of people who need the self help. It drives me nuts how many people have to be hand held through life. I knew Mcdonald's was bad for me when I was like, 4.

[FlechaRojo]

The bottom line is this: In the western world, EVERYTHING causes cancer, and until people start addressing the CAUSES, rather than just some far off cure that may or may not lay ahead in the distance, nothing's going to change. Deodorant, makeup, shampoo, laundry detergent, preservatives in food...do you really think all of that stuff absorbed into your body is a good thing? There's a reason why people who live in rural, isolated areas of the world don't get cancer. It's because they aren't bombarded by manufactured crap that might make their lives more convenient, but shortens their lifespans considerably. This isn't rocket science; we all know what we need to do, but it will never happen because big business will never allow it. Just keep throwing money at a fictional cure, so that it detracts from the elephant in the room, which is: all we need to do to "cure" cancer is to stop putting all this artificial crap into our bodies and into the environment.

BTW, stay away from that ridiculous charity that MLB crams down our throats every year; that "Stand Up to Cancer" horseshit. It's a total scam, and that guy that they always put in the booth to beg for money ought to be ashamed of himself. It's the corporations' way of making it look like they're doing something productive to eradicate cancer, when in reality, all it is is a cover-up, just like the steroid scandal was. Throwing money at a disease ain't gonna do a thing. When's the last time you saw a report on the news about the causes of cancer? You don't see it, because many of the network's sponsors are the ones that are causing it, and they're the ones that are paying the bills.

Right on! Been a firm believer it was you've stated for a while.

[Megalon X]

Chris Rock once said he thinks cancer treatment do more harm than good, but nothing will improve because too many people are making money from cancer treatment. I hate to say this (considering how some might misread a poster's comments) but I wonder how much damage chemotherapy and radiation do to a person?

I know two church members whose death certificate states they died from cancer, but upon further investigation the chemotherapy damaged their hearts which actually killed them and not the cancer. I read how some of Adam's friends tried to talk him out of using Western treatments all together (which I believe he used first). I am aware he tried all types of treatments.

I don't know what to think and I am not second guessing Adam's treatments. You look at Dick Gregory, who totally bypassed Western treatment, and is still healthy and strong. I know a lady that went 100% raw Vegan and is still living 20 years later with no use of cancer treatments. What am I saying? I'm just blabbing because I am still in shock over Adam's death. I hope my comments doesn't offend anyone...I'm thinking loudly.

For every Dick Gregory, there is probably a Steve Jobs that tried the alternative methods and they didn't work. Honestly, I think we should leave these things to the doctors. You can't really armchair quarterback what treatment is going to work for someone without being an expert on that specific kind of cancer.

[Angela63]

For every Dick Gregory, there is probably a Steve Jobs that tried the alternative methods and they didn't work. Honestly, I think we should leave these things to the doctors. You can't really armchair quarterback what treatment is going to work for someone without being an expert on that specific kind of cancer.

Expressing your opinion is great but I don't think Kim is "armchair..." anything. She's just as she said, "thinking out loud." obviously if doctors were "experts" on cancer, no one would die from cancer. If someone wants to try alternate methods of fighting the disease, who are we to tell them any different.

[Megalon X]

Expressing your opinion is great but I don't think Kim is "armchair..." anything. She's just as she said, "thinking out loud." obviously if doctors were "experts" on cancer, no one would die from cancer. If someone wants to try alternate methods of fighting the disease, who are we to tell them any different.

I don't know, I just have seen a slant in this thread that natural = always better. It should be based on what works. Being overly critical of doctors, that certainly know more about this subject than anyone else, is kind of entering the realm of anti-science, which isn't good. I'm not questioning anyone's decisions about treatment. MCA was very smart. I'm sure he made the best decisions for him and his family.

[dave790]

Expressing your opinion is great but I don't think Kim is "armchair..." anything. She's just as she said, "thinking out loud." obviously if doctors were "experts" on cancer, no one would die from cancer. If someone wants to try alternate methods of fighting the disease, who are we to tell them any different.

I don't think there is a doctor in the world who has proclaimed themselves to be an expert on cancer.

[Angela63]

I don't think there is a doctor in the world who has proclaimed themselves to be an expert on cancer.

I don't think "I" said that. I think you may have quoted the wrong person???

[Laver1969]

This is my final post.

Say What?

[Angela63]

Say What?

Really man? That's the best you can do? That ship sailed. Sad that you felt the need to dig it up. You just felt the need to be anal? Hey But whatever gets you thru the day :)

[Angela63]

Say What?

If you really are having difficulty with that statement here's a little explanation on why i decided to stick around. I made that statement when I was upset. I rec'd a few messages from a few people that pointed out a few things and so, unfortunately for you, i decided to stick around. If you don't like anything I have to say, you can go into your user profile and input my screen name and have anything that I post, blocked.

Life tough enough without having to deal with crap like this. I'm here because of Adam. Just because of a handful of people enjoy making people feel stupid or themselves feel better by wanting to analyze EVERY WORD someone's says, won't make me leave.

So I hope that clears up your question.

[Angela63]

Before any of you read this post I just want to say that anything I write here is not meant to offend anyone. I don't pretend to know everything or anything for that matter. I just know that I am not a bad person and don't mean to seem like one.

I think I get it. After reading some of the post that I have personally taken offense to, or felt like I was being attacked by, I went thru and read some of the post from the people who have made me feel that way. Trying to get a sense of what type of people you are... and i have come to the conclusion that You are not bad people either. Some of you may not even care what I think because who am I? This site is not about me. It is about Adam and the boys. I did only join a few weeks ago.

I think it is the title of this thread and what it means to us. It is sad. Unthinkable and almost unimaginable that Adam is gone. I think when we are sad sometimes we do deal with it by expressing anger. Maybe it makes us defensive, and extra sensitive. As someone said, anger is part of the stages of grief.

I know I don't speak for everyone. I may not even know what the hell I am talking about- I'm sure a few of you will even tell me that :) but I guess we should be happy that we have a place to express our thoughts and work thru them and hopefully find a little understanding.

One thing I am sure of is that we all cared about Adam. He has touched all of our lives in some way or another. It takes a REALLY special person to bring people together like this. I think maybe there should be a little warning attached to this thread to caution us that - it can be tough here. so I would just like to apologize to anyone that I have offended by anything that I have said or may have implied. I think it's time for me to move on to a "happier" thread :)
Angela

[bigfatlove06]

Much respect for the diplomacy. No sarcasm intended.

[Angela63]

Much respect for the diplomacy. No sarcasm intended.

:)

[fonky pizza]

I would love to check it out. Knowledge is power- so they say. Can't hurt though:)

Enjoy!:)