Comments during concerts?

[Theimportance]

Let me just first say that this probably isn't the best first post. I'm a young Beastie Boys fan (both age and the amount of time I've been listening) and they're quickly becoming both my favorite band and my favorite group of people. I listen to and love a lot of music and I can't remember the last time I've become so obsessed with a group! Every time that I listen to a Beastie Boy track I haven't heard yet I immediately go to Beastiemania for lyrics and all the background info for the songs.

Now, I was going through the MCA (RIP!) tribute thread and found this great article:
http://www.thenation.com/blog/167768/mcas-feminist-legacy
But there was one comment for it that really bothered me and lodged itself in the back of my head:

"I heard that their transformation from misogynists to feminists was all PR. Granted, it was based on a personal account of what happened at a show one time, but I have to say, it's not unusual for artists to make mistakes, and then, try to rectify them to simply to appease the masses. Was it all a front? Who can say, but stories like this make me wonder:

I was fooled too. But then I went to one of their concerts, and they were totally misogynistic toward women in the audience (even though they were all married at that point), and they just acted like total jerks in general. definitely the most arrogant and ungrateful musicians I've ever seen perform and I've seen the Stones, so that's saying a lot. When Adam Horowitz was making comments about a woman's breasts in the audience I yelled "What about song for the man!?" Because that song is ostensibly all about how sexism sucks, and a guy in front of me turned around and was like "Seriously!" The audience was so loving and chill toward them and they were like "An encore? We've got better things to do" - they are totally fake. Just jerks banking on their fake image. That's all."


For me, the above is a very sad story, full of disillusionment. That's for certain."

Now, I know this is a time of mourning. Please don't take this as any form of disrespect towards the boys or any of you. I just figured I would ask the professionals what this is all about; if it's shit (which I assume it is). If this thread bothers anyone it should be locked, deleted, etc. Again, I know this isn't the best way to introduce myself, but please know that I don't mean to offend anyone. I know it's dumb to believe everything you read on the internet, but this really bothered me. As a peace offering, here's a really cool video I found of a 1992 concert in Miami. I have no idea if this is a well known video or anything, I just thought it was really cool and it doesn't have a lot of views (all props to the uploader, I just luckily found it) and it has a killer version of Finger Lickin' Good! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Aq4BRipbxg

[LuciferHam]

I think its an interesting topic and Im not entirely sure, but I havent seen much evidence of sexism in their music or public appearance since probably the 89 period. But I mean even on Paul's Boutique theres Hey Ladies, verses in 3 Minute Rule, What Comes Around that have a bit of sexism to them. So I woulden't be surprised if this element of their personalities reapeared maybe slightly at a later time.

Theyre only human after all, theyre not angels, even though they are our heroes theyre still liable to revert back to old habits.

But this story could be bullshit, unless someone has an audio recording to back it up.

I do remember that when the Beasties came to New Zealand January of '05 and gave an interview to local music station C4 before their Big Day Out performance, Adrock was pretty rude the whole time, didn't say anything and when asked why he was so quiet he just said - "I've got nothing to say". Seperate issue but it bummed be out hard out at the time. My heroes finally came to New Zealand, I didn't have the chance to see them live and my then favourite Beastie (not that I pick favourites anymore) couldent even be bothered being a little friendly for the fans. I know theyre not always fans of the media, but its New Zealand music television, not some antagonistic tabloid journalist trying to stir shit. So yeah thats one time that they did disapoint me fairly majorly.

I got over it and can see it from their point of view now. They were probably tired and just wanted to rest before their show. Perhaps it was in their contract to give an interview.

Anyhow I don't really want to bring up the negative stuff either, but I have, so just like the post above, ignore this if you feel I'm being needlessly critical at a particularly sensitive time. Just generating discussion.

[Odie]

I think I can safely say that that story never happened, just someone trolling.

[brooklyndust]

I don't think Kathleen Hanna would be married to Ad-Rock if it was all an act. Unless she is faking the feminist thing too.

There is also the Prodigy incident. If it was an act why would they put their neck on the line?
Also during the Sydney 99 show Ad-Rock does this big speech/dedication before Song For The Man.

The VMA speech is another one. In other bootlegs they tell people to step back from the stage and tell people to stop moshing.

Ad-Rock has also stopped in the middle of a songs when Mix Master Mike drops a 50 cent beat.

The comments sounds like bs to me. But who knows.

[Gabriely]

Ad-Rock has also stopped in the middle of a songs when Mix Master Mike drops a 50 cent beat.

The comments sounds like bs to me. But who knows.
Is it on youtube?

[Theimportance]

Thanks for being so cool about this everyone! I was really nervous to post this. And I think that's a good point that Adrock is married to Kathleen Hanna. You know she wouldn't take any shit from anyone!:D Definitely one of the coolest musician couples.

[Angela63]

I don't think Kathleen Hanna would be married to Ad-Rock if it was all an act. Unless she is faking the feminist thing too..

I was thinking the same thing! She would definitely be the last person he would be with.

They grew up with us, in front of us. Most of our thinking does change on certain subjects as we grow up. I also hate to say this, I am a female and totally against all kinds of sexism but, we have all been to concerts where sadly, the chick beside us is leaving nothing to the imagination. Some again, sadly, crave that kind of attention. I'm sure he made her night!

I have seen the stones 5 times and the b boys, unfortunately, only once and unless this person went back stage or to the after party, how does she/he know their personalities enough to make a comment like that? I guess you had to be there.

But mike d said in an interview (.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFZsWaFT6HI&feature=youtube_gdata_player ) in 95 that he " hopes no one takes them too seriously, considering what we do."

We all have good days/bad days and we all sound like jerks sometimes. That doesn't necessarily mean that is who we are. In my opinion, I really don't think it is an act.

[Angela63]

Thanks for being so cool about this everyone! I was really nervous to post this. And I think that's a good point that Adrock is married to Kathleen Hanna. You know she wouldn't take any shit from anyone!:D Definitely one of the coolest musician couples.


(y)
Yeah, I'm thinking he may be in big trouble just because someone "said" he said something :)

[Theimportance]

Thanks for sharing that interview, great stuff! Love that Mike D lies about his walk in closet haha:D

[MsPacMan]

"definitely the most arrogant and ungrateful musicians I've ever seen.....Adam Horowitz was making comments about a woman's breasts in the audience"



Hey dude;

Welcome to the boards. We’re glad to have you here! It warms my heart to hear from young fans like you.

Thankyou SO much for bringing this issue to our attention. Very grateful to you.

I am personally offended by that person’s comment.

Here’s why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS4QH4-Jm0Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ3O-UgjRAM

I would love it if you would watch. No pressure. Just a warm invitation!

Tomorrow I am going to try to contact “Thisismydisplayname”, who wrote that comment and get this sorted out. But I think I should wait til I’ve calmed down!

Of course everyone’s entitled to their opinion and I believe wholeheartedly in the principal of free speech; but in my view; that comment is an unreserved LIE.

In fact, I believe it amounts to slander.

“Thisismydisplayname” didn’t bother to tell us where he/she first heard that “personal account”. It was displayed as a quote; but no link to the original author was provided. (I myself can find no traces of the original.) If they HAD bothered to tell us the origins of that quote; I would like to contact the first author to find out which show they attended. I’ll bet we could find someone on this messageboard who was also there on the same night. I wonder if they’d back up the story?

If a person feels the need to make such an accusation online; one would hope they’d be absolutely sure that what they were posting was FACT.

The behaviour they described is COMPLETELY out-of-character for Adam (for ANY of them) and I refuse to believe it happened.

No proof = no credibility.

Thanks again for opening up this discussion; and I hope those videos clear any doubt from your mind about our boys.

Please contact me if you’d like any more links. Happy to meet you!

xoxo

[Angela63]

Maybe that whole thing went down something like this- since he/she only says "Adam made a comment about the girls breast" maybe it was a negative one as far as her trying to use them to get attention. Maybe that's where the arrogant and ungrateful remark came from??

Unless someone provides facts and/or sources, they should not be allowed to make such remarks on any comment board using anyone's name. Once you put doubt out there, there are always a few people who will believe and pass it on. Free speech isn't suppose to hurt innocent people.


Btw - Two totally awesome videos. The last one made me cry. Made me even more aware of the differences they have made and the hopes for the future. True Pioneers in every aspect of the word!

[LongDuckDong]

Hey dude;

Welcome to the boards. We’re glad to have you here! It warms my heart to hear from young fans like you.

Thankyou SO much for bringing this issue to our attention. Very grateful to you.

I am personally offended by that person’s comment.

Here’s why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS4QH4-Jm0Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ3O-UgjRAM

I would love it if you would watch. No pressure. Just a warm invitation!

Tomorrow I am going to try to contact “Thisismydisplayname”, who wrote that comment and get this sorted out. But I think I should wait til I’ve calmed down!

Of course everyone’s entitled to their opinion and I believe wholeheartedly in the principal of free speech; but in my view; that comment is an unreserved LIE.

In fact, I believe it amounts to slander.

“Thisismydisplayname” didn’t bother to tell us where he/she first heard that “personal account”. It was displayed as a quote; but no link to the original author was provided. (I myself can find no traces of the original.) If they HAD bothered to tell us the origins of that quote; I would like to contact the first author to find out which show they attended. I’ll bet we could find someone on this messageboard who was also there on the same night. I wonder if they’d back up the story?

If a person feels the need to make such an accusation online; one would hope they’d be absolutely sure that what they were posting was FACT.

The behaviour they described is COMPLETELY out-of-character for Adam (for ANY of them) and I refuse to believe it happened.

No proof = no credibility.

Thanks again for opening up this discussion; and I hope those videos clear any doubt from your mind about our boys.

Please contact me if you’d like any more links. Happy to meet you!

xoxo

New admin?

[Angela63]

New admin?

Your user name cracks me up! 16 candles, right? :D

[Theimportance]

Thanks so much for the warm greetings and the links! I had a hard time getting through the second video, it's still hard for to understand why MCA had to leave us when he still had so much to offer. I guess that's life, but I'll always be grateful for what he gave us. Those videos did help a lot and cleared up a lot of my doubts, thank you very much.:D

[Uru-Nitro]

how many of the bb's live shows have been recorded? 70%, 80%???
I've seen/listened A LOT of COMPLETE live shows, and I have never listened them saying stupid dissrespectful stuff. but that point is very hard to believe, because he say they didnt care about people, while I've seen dozen of times how they STOP the show when they see people crowdsurfing or pushing each other in a way that somebody can be hurt.

and btw, i dont think they have ever written misogynist lyrics. I mean, yeah, they do have dissrespecful lines, but I think they are more like teenager-way of talk than a serious point, like smash my b*** up.

[FlechaRojo]

Welcome aboard :D

I think you did good by bringing this to our attention so it can be rectified. We will always be grateful for what the Beasties have done. Unfortunately you'll always run into people who still view the world so narrowly. Someday I hope they can take off the blinders and not spread vitriol of any kind. Alas, people like that keep us all in check.

Adam left the door open for all of us and we have the freedom to carry on his good word and actions. Pretty cool, eh? :)

[PortlandBGirl]

MsPacMan, that second video was truly amazing. I am so moved and speechless, I don't know what to say, except that I am a BeastieGrrrl forever.

[MsPacMan]

Thanks so much for the warm greetings and the links! Those videos did help a lot and cleared up a lot of my doubts, thank you very much.:D

My pleasure! I hope we've all made you feel welcome here. Beastiefans are the best people on earth. We are glad you're ONE OF US!!!!!!

how many of the bb's live shows have been recorded? 70%, 80%???
I've seen/listened A LOT of COMPLETE live shows, and I have never listened them saying stupid dissrespectful stuff.

Such an excellent point.

Agreed. I have listened to most of the stuff Silence7 has uploaded. There must be HUNDREDS of Beastie live recordings out there. Have any of us EVER heard them say anything inappropriate? Even in the VERY early days; when they were at their sauciest; I never heard anything I would call "offensive". Quite the opposite. They were cheeky, sure; but also totally endearing. (Still are!)

I have taken it upon myself to revisit that site and flag that person's comment as "inappropriate". In fact; I'm gonna KEEP flagging it; every chance I get. Hopefully the moderators will pay some attention.
(I was relieved to see that no other readers had "liked" the comment.)

MsPacMan, that second video was truly amazing. I am so moved and speechless, I don't know what to say, except that I am a BeastieGrrrl forever.

Beastie Grrrls United! <33333333333333333

Adam, Adam and Mike: always in our hearts.

[Angela63]

There is also the Prodigy incident.

I can't believe they went ahead with the song anyway (n) I USED to be a Prodigy fan.

I'm with you brooklyn - I think it's just a bunch of BS! I try not to pay too much attention to comments on random boards. One could give themselves a stroke reading some of the bs people write.

[Angela63]

Wow! I think the only thing missing from ms. Pacmans post is a set of blinking Christmas lights :)

[pshabi]

But there was the incident where BS2000 "sacrificed" a tabby cat during a performance of "Buddy" at a 2001 show in Germany. SICK. SHIT.

[Kid Presentable]

That shit never happened, Pshabi.

[Gabriely]

But there was the incident where BS2000 "sacrificed" a tabby cat during a performance of "Buddy" at a 2001 show in Germany. SICK. SHIT.

What?! What happened?

[MrSmiley1]

That shit never happened, Pshabi.

It sure as hell did. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw that show.

[pshabi]

It sure as hell did. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw that show.

And it was some SICK. SHIT. amirite?

[JoLovesMCA]

I too think it’s bullshit. Maybe it was a different group he saw and it was all of that acid that fried his memory bank. Ad-rock’s a good man, nothing fake about him or MIKE and Yauch.

I have heard a few stories about Adrock not being so friendly at times, but for the most part I think he’s good to the fans. So he’s had some bad days, we all do!

[Angela63]

I heard about that sicko gaga fan that killed her cat to wear its blood to a concert :( Never heard about this one.

[Franci]

I heard about that sicko gaga fan that killed her cat to wear its blood to a concert :( Never heard about this one.

:eek: :eek:

[pshabi]

That shit never happened, Pshabi.

Loosen up a little....fuddy duddy.

[YoungRemy]

It sure as hell did. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw that show.



Thank you Simone...

[MrSmiley1]

Thank you Simone...

No problem whatsoever.

Ad-Rock was not feeling well that day. He passed out at 31 flavors. I guess it's pretty serious.

[Hiphopdancer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ3O-UgjRAM

I would love it if you would watch. No pressure. Just a warm invitation!

xoxo

I L-O-V-E-D the video! You capture all of the passion and humanity that Beastie Fans (Grrrls and Boys!) are aching to express, share, sing about, rap about, hug-it-out about, and shout it out to the world - especially the cynics. Wait, this reminds me of something . . .

Don't keep it inside you've got to -
Say it: Let it out - let it out!
Scream it: Gonna shout - gonna shout!
Write it: Put it out - put it out!
Say it: Get it out - get it out!

Thanks for the inspiration!

[Kid Presentable]

Loosen up a little....fuddy duddy.

I'm hitting up youtube to spread some truth yo.

[Kid Presentable]

I L-O-V-E-D the video! You capture all of the passion and humanity that Beastie Fans (Grrrls and Boys!) are aching to express, share, sing about, rap about, hug-it-out about, and shout it out to the world - especially the cynics. Wait, this reminds me of something . . .

Don't keep it inside you've got to -
Say it: Let it out - let it out!
Scream it: Gonna shout - gonna shout!
Write it: Put it out - put it out!
Say it: Get it out - get it out!

Thanks for the inspiration!

Naaaw boys aren't allowed. And the messageboard is full of scumbags. Being reality though, its heartening to see something positive come out of this shit.

[MsPacMan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ3O-UgjRAM

xoxo

Naaaw boys aren't allowed. Being reality though, its heartening to see something positive come out of this shit.

To all the boys……….

YES, you ARE allowed.

You are WELCOME to join. I know the name might make it seem like we’re trying to exclude you; but we’re not. The movement NEEDS YOUR SUPPORT!

The reason I chose the name is because so much of the criticism directed towards the Beasties is related to the misconception that they are sexist pigs. So it’s therefore crucial that their female fans make up the front line of their defence. But please don’t misinterpret our message: Beastie grrrls LOVE Beastie fanboyz!

And the messageboard is full of scumbags.


KP?

“Scumbags”?!!!!! Any online environment has its share of weirdos.

But I haven’t found any here.

When I first got on this messageboard on the night of the Hall of Fame; I was feeling more upset and isolated than I can ever remember being. I was kinda scared you guys WOULD give me shit.

Nup.

You’re SOLID GOLD. All of you.

Based my impressions of the ones I’ve spoken to personally; the men on this forum are intelligent, tolerant, kind, RESPECTFUL, not to mention fucken HILARIOUS. You’ve been SO sweet to me. I can’t tell you how much I look up to y’all.

The Beasties are very lucky to have you as their fans. They can be proud.

Sorry this is getting mushy; but I’ve turned into a softie lately. Just LOVE YOU GUYS.

To all the boys…………thankyou. For the laughs; for the affectionate way you poke fun at me, for comforting me, for encouraging me, for supporting my crazy-ass fan project.

Huge cyber hug!

xoxoSarah

[fonky pizza]

They are more sexy than sexist

[MsPacMan]

They are more sexy than sexist

Best. Comment. Ever.

<3333333333333333

[PortlandBGirl]

Best. Comment. Ever.

<3333333333333333

Agreed!(y)

[beasties#1fan]

I was fooled too. But then I went to one of their concerts, and they were totally misogynistic toward women in the audience (even though they were all married at that point), and they just acted like total jerks in general. definitely the most arrogant and ungrateful musicians I've ever seen perform and I've seen the Stones, so that's saying a lot. When Adam Horowitz was making comments about a woman's breasts in the audience I yelled "What about song for the man!?" Because that song is ostensibly all about how sexism sucks, and a guy in front of me turned around and was like "Seriously!" The audience was so loving and chill toward them and they were like "An encore? We've got better things to do" - they are totally fake. Just jerks banking on their fake image. That's all."


For me, the above is a very sad story, full of disillusionment. That's for certain."


Okay first of all, who ever wrote this bullshit couldnt even get adrocks last name right....But besides that point...i reallly reaaaaaaaaally doubt that story is true...This story sounds like it came from an angry "fan" who has nothing better to do than go and diss about a band & make up shit. IMO

[beasties#1fan]

I have heard a few stories about Adrock not being so friendly at times, but for the most part I think he’s good to the fans.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
what!?!?!?

[PortlandBGirl]

No problem whatsoever.

Ad-Rock was not feeling well that day. He passed out at 31 flavors. I guess it's pretty serious.

Thanks, I needed a laugh today! :)

[MCA4ever]

They are more sexy than sexist

Most definitely agree (y)

[JoLovesMCA]

what!?!?!?

They are old stories by bitter people who maybe didn't get what they want when they saw him.... I wouldn't worry about it. :cool:

[beasties#1fan]

They are old stories by bitter people who maybe didn't get what they want when they saw him.... I wouldn't worry about it. :cool:
I'm curious now!!!! hahahah

[kll]

This is the most negative of the threads to post in and I didn't want to waste space on a new thread. I subscribe to 'adam yauch' in my google search, so I get a new crop of emails each day.

Today I ended up with two nasty links, who actually happen to be by the same guy... he's obviously a nut job (and obsessed with Yauch) even though he claims he hates him, but it was just disturbing to see that this idiot walks among us...

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120709174941AA9pHLZ

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120709200650AArGCfa

[MCA4ever]

This is the most negative of the threads to post in and I didn't want to waste space on a new thread. I subscribe to 'adam yauch' in my google search, so I get a new crop of emails each day.

Today I ended up with two nasty links, who actually happen to be by the same guy... he's obviously a nut job (and obsessed with Yauch) even though he claims he hates him, but it was just disturbing to see that this idiot walks among us...

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120709174941AA9pHLZ

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120709200650AArGCfa

You saw that garbage too?! We have a very outspoken :) member of the board working on it. You want to say just ignore the idiot but I like you, get those emails and it really made my day suck reading that at the crack of dawn!

Like another member said " what if Losel sees it?" I say it couldn't hurt for all of us to flag him or whatever. Don't have a yahoo account and of course they are taking their sweet time send me an email confirmation!

[MsPacMan]

This is the most negative of the threads to post in and I didn't want to waste space on a new thread.

GOOD CALL. Thankyou!

Today I ended up with two nasty links..............

Disgusting.

Fear not.

I'm on it. "She's ON it!"

We have a very outspoken :) member of the board working on it.

lmfao; you know me too well!

"Working on it"?

Yup.

I'm crafty; I've got a GRIPE!

And LOOKY LOOK:



http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120709174941AA9pHLZ

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120709200650AArGCfa



Click them!



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Damn, I'm good. Giving myself snaps, over here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

;)

Beastie grrrl: EVER ALERT for the CALL TO ACTION!


PS. but I still need your help with this one.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/167768/mcas-feminist-legacy#

Please hit "flag" as many times as you can - you KNOW which comment. The flag is hidden next to "two months ago". Just be careful; it's easy to hit "like" by accident. Come on, crew! LET'S DO THIS!

[MCA4ever]

Ms. Pacman- SNAPS FROM EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Never had doubt!

kll-
"This is the most negative of the threads to post in..."

You helped turn the most negative into a positive (y)

Great job guys!

[MsPacMan]

Ms. Pacman- SNAPS FROM EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Never had doubt!

kll-
"This is the most negative of the threads to post in..."

You helped turn the most negative into a positive (y)

Great job guys!

GO TEAM!!!!

#BeastieFansForever

[silence7]

"Scumbags"?!!!!! Any online environment has its share of weirdos.

But I haven’t found any here.

You're not looking hard enough, we're all slimy in our own special ways.

Huge cyber hug!

Back atcha' girlie.

[MsPacMan]

Back atcha' girlie.

We gotta have these Mutual Appreciation Society get-togethers more often.

;)

<3 luv ya Silence7