Watch Yauch almost get beat up in the 80's... caught on tape!

[ClarenceAlabama]

This is a rare video from the 1986 Raising Hell tour...

1) The Beasties perform with LL Cool J
2) Look at a young Lyor Cohen acting as their security
3) Around the 2:30 minute mark, Yauch decides to stage dive into an all Black audience. :eek:
4) Check out Lyor dance moves. :D

http://youtu.be/xyrizURRt3o

[Brass Monk]

Your talking like he got punked or something which he surely did not.

Show some respect

[ClarenceAlabama]

Your talking like he got punked or something which he surely did not.

Show some respect

I thought it was funny. Yauch was wild and crazy and didn't give a F.

This was classic LTI Beasties.

[MCAadROCKMiKEd7]

I always wondered if any of them had ever been in a fist fight (not with each other of course)

Yauch showed DGAF status here, mah man yo.

[Mr. Juice]

Seems like Yauchster went for a stage dive with no one ready to catch him. Not only did he whack an audience member in the face, but he fell splat on the floor.

Mike D looks slightly agitated when LL Cool J steals his mic.

[MCAadROCKMiKEd7]

Seems like Yauchster went for a stage dive with no one ready to catch him. Not only did he whack an audience member in the face, but he fell splat on the floor.

Mike D looks slightly agitated when LL Cool J steals his mic.

He went for it like "Catch me or don't, I'm still bout to Yauch shit up!"

omg I agree, I noticed that. Cool J kept snatching that shit up I was like NAH.

[Megalon X]

Cool J wouldnt have stole my damn mic but one time. Cause he would have been off the motherfuckin' bus. who did he think was runnin that shit? Russel Simmons? Fuck him. Cool J probably wasnt even on the damn ticket stub. That shit said BEASTIE BOYS in big ass letters. In my opinion Cool J has been a racist since way back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flyyAKIXytE

Frankly, I never liked LL. I've always been in the camp of Kool Moe Dee.

[ClarenceAlabama]

In my opinion black people have never liked the Beastie Boys. Of course this is not 100% true, but mostly true. That is during and especially after LTI. And i dont think they really grasp the concept of stage diving that much. But Yauch was pretty cool at that. He also looked pretty fucked up drunk when he did this particular one as well.

1) Before LTI, most of the Beastie Boys fans were Black. The 12 inch singles Slow and Low, Hold it Now Hit It, It's The New Style, and Paul Revere were huge! It started to change after Fight for Your Right came out. They lost alot of their Black fans after that. Not all, but alot.

2) There wasn't any stage diving at rap shows back in the 80's. The Beasties were the first to do it. This guy was probably thinking WTF!

[Laver1969]

Exactly what kind of club is this where they have a little runway strip that they perform on? It's not in the round, not very wide, but seems very weird.

[Bernard Goetz]

Cool J wouldnt have stole my damn mic but one time. Cause he would have been off the motherfuckin' bus. who did he think was runnin that shit? Russel Simmons? Fuck him. Cool J probably wasnt even on the damn ticket stub. That shit said BEASTIE BOYS in big ass letters. In my opinion Cool J has been a racist since way back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flyyAKIXytE

Pfft.

[JoLovesMCA]

They were KIDS. LL grew up as did the BB’s. I think his love and respect for Mike, Adam and Adam is evident.

And yes they were the first to stage dive. I remember another article stating that Yauch was the first to stage dive on Soul Train. Now even if they hadn’t seen it before, let me tell you that CROWD loved it! That one performance he did it three times!!!


Now that’s what I love. Something they did all of the time in their hardcore punk shows was taken and brought into the hip hop arena. Only the Beasties!!!!

[Megalon X]

They were KIDS. LL grew up as did the BB’s. I think his love and respect for Mike, Adam and Adam is evident.


I could never stand him. Some MCs have never appealed to me, but he has all this other stuff that makes him even more annoying to me. I think LL's egomania extended well past "adulthood." That whole thing with Canibus was utterly ridiculous. This just kind of reinforces what I think about him. Of course, they would probably say friendly things in interviews now, but I'm pretty sure they weren't happy about that s*** when it happened.

Not trying to introduce negativity here, but it's just my personal view point.

[pshabi]

Cool J wouldnt have stole my damn mic but one time. Cause he would have been off the motherfuckin' bus. who did he think was runnin that shit? Russel Simmons? Fuck him. Cool J probably wasnt even on the damn ticket stub. That shit said BEASTIE BOYS in big ass letters. In my opinion Cool J has been a racist since way back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flyyAKIXytE

You sound like a retard. No offense.

[Randetica]

if i watched those 3 fools back then i would have never thought they would become ever more than a 1 hit wonder

[abbott]

loved watching this..

LL is coming to town with Z Trip and Im thinking I should go?

[Megalon X]

loved watching this..

LL is coming to town with Z Trip and Im thinking I should go?

If you like Cool J, you should definitely see them. Some people are just horrible asses, others beef with other MCs I listen to, but I can still enjoy their work. I don't know why I can't stand LL so much in particular, but I don't have a problem with other people that listen to him.

[Brass Monk]

I always wondered if any of them had ever been in a fist fight (not with each other of course)

Yauch showed DGAF status here, mah man yo.

I think in "Lee Majors comes again" there is a reference in the lyrics about an incident that occurred where Mike was sucker punched going on stage by some 400 pound dude and Yauch readily jumped into a scrap with him.

[Brass Monk]

In my opinion black people have never liked the Beastie Boys. Of course this is not 100% true, but mostly true. That is during and especially after LTI. And i dont think they really grasp the concept of stage diving that much. But Yauch was pretty cool at that. He also looked pretty fucked up drunk when he did this particular one as well.

I really don't think so. They were on BET (especially in the 90's) way too much for that to be true. There are probably some black hip hop fans that resent white rappers purely on principle, but beyond that no way.

[Brass Monk]

LL Cool J is freakin' awesome. Big part of the Beastie family. It is really unfathomable to me that any so called Beastie fan could hate on him.

Right after Yauch died, he got interviewed on the red carpet at some charity event.
He was visibly shaken and holding back tears. That was the moment where I broke down into tears myself (I was just in shock before that).

[jayjacobson16]

I always wondered if any of them had ever been in a fist fight (not with each other of course)

Yauch showed DGAF status here, mah man yo.


They did fist fight each other. A lot. They used to beat each other up to make their beats fresh.

[cj hood]

You sound like a retard. No offense.

Ha!

[pm0ney]

I posted this video right around the time Yauch passed, and now it gets all the attention!

BTW "ClarenceAlabama" = best member name on the forums. I fucking love True Romance.

[DJ Pioneer]

I saw LL like 5 or 6 years ago in Atlantic City. He had a pretty great show - did Rock the Bells and stuff. Of course, the women were going nuts. They were fawning over him, and he was playing it up the whole time. He threw out 10 roses to the crowd, the girls got to come up on stage and give him a hug, one-by-one. I think he kissed a couple of them. He still rocked the place though.

Well, most of us already know Adrock found LL's demo tape and brought it to Rick Rubin's attention. LL is considered a friend of the Beasties. I wouldn't put much stock into that interview of him in 1987. The Beasties even grew tired of the way they felt they had to act in that era too. Although he has some corny music, when LL gets down to it he can rap with the best. I was always a big fan of the Mama Said Knock You Out album.

[ClarenceAlabama]

I posted this video right around the time Yauch passed, and now it gets all the attention!

BTW "ClarenceAlabama" = best member name on the forums. I fucking love True Romance.

I'm a huge Tarantino fan too. True Romance and Pulp Fiction are in my top ten favorite movies. (y)

[pm0ney]

LL Cool J is one of the greatest rappers of all time. A first ballot hall of famer, and a guy who deserves the utmost respect. He made some of the best rap records of all time and is deserving of the respect from everyone on this board.

Just my two cents on THAT matter.

[pm0ney]

'radio' was the best. 'momma said knock you out' was pretty good. 'i need love' was a joke. i give him props on his rap skills and longevity skills(sort of on the latter) but not his hater skills and tranny gettin' skills. anyone can get a tranny. thats not a skill.

You're selling him very short. Also, there is no such thing as "longevity skills", even though I'm pretty sure you're just parodying yourself at this point anyway.

[Megalon X]

LL Cool J is freakin' awesome. Big part of the Beastie family. It is really unfathomable to me that any so called Beastie fan could hate on him.


This idea that everyone has to respect anyone is bullshit. I like a lot of MCs. I don't have to like anyone. Sorry, I go with Kool Moe Dee, Ice T, and Canibus over Jack the Rapper.

I don't like this idea that all hip hop heads have to fall in line or something in regards to everything. You don't see this in any other genre. Radio may be a classic album, but I think I spun that thing like once. He's a good MC, but he doesn't have the lasting appeal to me that other MCs have. The attitude problem definitely made it easier for me to write him off.

It really has nothing to do with the Beastie Bosy either. 3rd Bass dissed them on record, and I still listen to their shit a good amount. I had these feelings about Cool J long before this thread, and I respect pretty much every other Def Jam artist just fine.

I don't think we need to even bring trannies into this. That's a little out of line, and that kind of shit in hip hop discussions is so fucking old. I don't really give a shit about his sexual preferences. Liking trannies doesn't even make you gay imo. Not that I even care about that. I still listen to EPMD constantly.

[Brass Monk]

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I don't like this idea that all hip hop heads have to fall in line or something in regards to everything. You don't see this in any other genre. Radio may be a classic album, but I think I spun that thing like once. He's a good MC, but he doesn't have the lasting appeal to me that other MCs have. The attitude problem definitely made it easier for me to write him off.



I think there's something your not telling us. He must have took your woman or something. This level of hate just doesn't make sense otherwise

[Megalon X]

I think there's something your not telling us. He must have took your woman or something. This level of hate just doesn't make sense otherwise

I'm not the only head that doesn't like LL Cool J. This may come off as shocking to some, since the media has generally always kissed his ass, but it's the truth.

I honestly don't even know why it would be shocking that a Beastie Boys fan wouldn't be kissing his ass. Every time I've heard the Beasties at an award ceremony, they thank the Treacherous Three for being one of their biggest influences, the group with the guy that had that famous beef with him and created his rap style.

It's strange to me that everyone wants to defend him for throwing the Beasties under the bus on live television to promote himself. I honestly don't know why I have to "respect" someone that is pretty well known for throwing around disrespect like that. Even if the Beasties were "raising hell" I'm pretty sure they would have never done that to another MC they have ever associated with.

If they forgave him for that stuff and made up, great. Good for them. I'm sure they also forgave Russel Simmons and everyone else that obviously acted like a dick to them at some point. But for me, I get to have my own opinions.

I'm not even saying his records are bad or that he doesn't deserve merit. I'd just rather listen to Rakim, G Rap, Kane, and about 200 other guys before I would consider playing one of his records again.

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[llasaApso]

I alway loved LL back in the day. He made some brilliant records, and this was back when rap was a bit of a novelty on the radio over here in the UK. There was him, the Beasties, Fresh Prince, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, Melle Mel...... and a few others I can't remember right now. And that was it!

I didn't even know he knew Beastie Boys or anything. This was before the internet when we only saw them fleetingly on telly or in music mags.

:eek:

Yeah kids, it was all fields around here back then too. ;):p:D

[Kid Presentable]

I never really fucked with LL.

[Angela63]

I too found him to be a little like - I helped the b boys get here- at the RRHF speech.

I also found this little clip and it didn't take him long to end his thoughts on "WE" paved the way for hip-hop and is he referring to himself as " the greatest black rapper of all times?"

Just be cause he was considered a good friend by the beasties, doesn't mean he was a good friend back. To me, he has kinda always had that attitude that yeah the beasties got me started, but I woulda been here anyway. I don't think he has any real grief about losing Adam. I feel it's just a conversation starter for ll to talk about ll. just my two cents.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3ZyarkHK8M&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Kid Presentable]

I just meant his music, damn

[Kid Presentable]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3ZyarkHK8M&feature=youtube_gdata_player

1:05 is some of the realest shit spoken. I don't have to be a fan of dude's music to give him his due.

Heaps of other rappers I'd rather listen to, though.

[Kid Presentable]

Green eyed bandit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwosPYe3K6Q&feature=related). So much mutual respect between the groups, and I definitely respect Erick Sermon as far as artists go.

Personally I just like the fact that people are paying their respects.

[Bernard Goetz]

I think he has good rapping skills and he had a couple nice songs back in the day, but i do feel he is a hater and that he has taken it up the poo poo at least once or twice. Maybe multiple times.

GodDAMN you're fucking boring.

[Brass Monk]

I honestly don't even know why it would be shocking that a Beastie Boys fan wouldn't be kissing his ass. Every time I've heard the Beasties at an award ceremony, they thank the Treacherous Three for being one of their biggest influences, the group with the guy that had that famous beef with him and created his rap style.

It's strange to me that everyone wants to defend him for throwing the Beasties under the bus on live television to promote himself. I honestly don't know why I have to "respect" someone that is pretty well known for throwing around disrespect like that. Even if the Beasties were "raising hell" I'm pretty sure they would have never done that to another MC they have ever associated with.


I saw that interview again last night where "he throws them under the bus". I was shocked how mild it was. Even as he was complaining about them acting too wild, he was kinda backtracking on it. And he was also still a teenager in 1987, so there's that too. I really don't understand how someone would still hold it against him at this point. Of course if you don't like him that's your choice. But IMO there should be a basic level of respect for him considering the important role he has played in Hip Hop history. I personally am not much of a fan of Jay Z's rapping style, but I respect his accomplishments and his place in the Hip Hop scene. And LL of course isn't gonna have the same influence on the BBoys as the Treacherous Three. After all the Treacherous Three came before them and the BBoys & LL came out at pretty much the same time.

[Brass Monk]

To me, he has kinda always had that attitude that yeah the beasties got me started, but I woulda been here anyway. I don't think he has any real grief about losing Adam.



He has said many, many times that if Adrock didn't find his demo tape, he probably would still be waiting to get put on. And he looked pretty shaken up when interviewed right after MCA's death. Its a little much to suggest that he was faking it

[Brass Monk]

'radio' was the best. 'momma said knock you out' was pretty good. 'i need love' was a joke. i give him props on his rap skills and longevity skills(sort of on the latter) but not his hater skills and tranny gettin' skills. anyone can get a tranny. thats not a skill.

I also looked up that whole "tranny" rumor last night (in addition to that article that was posted on this thread). Not that it ultimately matters, but that is speculative at best. Pretty ridiculous

[Billy Corbitt]

Your talking like he got punked or something which he surely did not.

Show some respect.

I

[pshabi]

This is LL Cool J who was making fun of the Cooky Puss record at the induction ceremony and calling the Beastie Boys punks. He's always done it. Hes always had an attitude problem. He didnt care about Yauch at all, in my opinion.
http://diaryofahollywoodstreetking.com/ll-cool-shuts-down-tranny-expose/

A homophobic Bboy fan in 2012.....talk about someone who doesn't get it. How many times can you bring something "gay" into a thread. You did it in the Basquiat thread too. When I see shit like that, on this board, it makes me shake my damn head? You in junior high dude or just don't get across county lines much?

[JoLovesMCA]

"My condolences to Adams family, The Beastie Boys, their team, and their millions of fans. It's deeply painful to lose someone we grew up with. It seems like just yesterday they helped me break into the business. It hurts man. We must preserve his legacy by continuing to represent the culture he loved so much. May GOD bless your soul MCA.
PS. Thank You" -LL COOL J

[Angela63]

He has said many, many times that if Adrock didn't find his demo tape, he probably would still be waiting to get put on. And he looked pretty shaken up when interviewed right after MCA's death. Its a little much to suggest that he was faking it


You said yourself that he looked "pretty shaken". To the degree of how shaken or not is to each, our opinion. Considering this interview was filmed only hours after Adam had passed, I am not sure which one you are referring to and I have not seen it. But I did not form MY opinion of LL from how he handles or shows his grief. My opinion of LL Cool J is strictly based on things that have come out of his mouth.

I also think he brings that stuff up about Adrock and the tape because he has to. Again- opinion, and it's mine.

Is my opinion of him wrong-maybe. Am I entitled to my own opinion-definitely. Do you have to care - definitely not.

It cracks me up when posters use other posters quotes to, for lack of a better word-attack others, why do they only post the words from the quote to make the poster look stupid? Here is what you should have quoted;

I don't think he has any real grief about losing Adam. I feel it's just a conversation starter for ll to talk about ll. just my two cents.

I'm sure it was just an oversight on your part to exclude the part where I said that this was just MY two cents.

Have a nice day :)

Just curious, half of the people on this thread have expressed uneasy feelings about ll, why did you feel the need to call attention to me? I'm Sure I don't want to know the answer. Maybe just thinking out loud.

[pshabi]

When someone quotes you here, it's implied that it is your "two cents," not that it is GOSPEL. For someone who is all about having an opinion and everybody having that right, yada yada yada.....you sure tend to get worked up when someone doesn't agree with yours!! You post what you feel, someone else rebuts....rebut them if you see fit.....but no need to spew the same diatribe every time someone differs from you. Talk about a broken record.

[Kid Presentable]

It's fucked up.

[pshabi]

It's fucked up.

Yep.

[Angela63]

When someone quotes you here, it's implied that it is your "two cents," not that it is GOSPEL. For someone who is all about having an opinion and everybody having that right, yada yada yada.....you sure tend to get worked up when someone doesn't agree with yours!! You post what you feel, someone else rebuts....rebut them if you see fit.....but no need to spew the same diatribe every time someone differs from you. Talk about a broken record.


Not that i owe you a explanation but I was rebutting it to that poster. You don't want to hear my "diatribe"... don't fucking read it. is that better?

When just about every post you make some idiot pulls out one word to rip you, you have the tendency to be defensive.

No one was talingnto you. Talk about an asshole.

[pshabi]

Public forum....public posts. You're having a private convo? Try PM. From the first thread you posted, you were ultra defensive from the FIRST moment someone disagreed with you. As most who have posted here for a long time will tell ya....that shit don't fly around here.

[Angela63]

Public forum....public posts. You're having a private convo? Try PM. From the first thread you posted, you were ultra defensive from the FIRST moment someone disagreed with you. As most who have posted here for a long time will tell ya....that shit don't fly around here.


What shit don't fly around here? Who are you? I didn't realize you were appointed CEO of Adam and the boys message board. Why don't you post a set of YOUR rules somewhere, or have you?

You may have done well with vocab in school, or you have a theasaurus handy, whatever but there is a big difference between disagreeing and being defensive.

Whatever. You get your wish asshole, you can keep your rules and your board. There are other ways to show respect to Adam then coming here everyday for bullshit! You may want to keep your eye on the newly registered list so you can tell them what they can and can't do.

See ya asshole!

[MIKEtotheD]

What shit don't fly around here? Who are you? I didn't realize you were appointed CEO of Adam and the boys message board. Why don't you post a set of YOUR rules somewhere, or have you?

You may have done well with vocab in school, or you have a theasaurus handy, whatever but there is a big difference between disagreeing and being defensive.

Whatever. You get your wish asshole, you can keep your rules and your board. There are other ways to show respect to Adam then coming here everyday for bullshit! You may want to keep your eye on the newly registered list so you can tell them what they can and can't do.

See ya asshole!

I happen to have a dictionary handy, and you're the definition of defensive.
Have a nice day!

[Brass Monk]

See ya asshole!

I'm hoping that's you saying goodbye to these boards for good. I was glad to have a conversation with you, but somehow your twisting things like I'm attacking you personally somehow. If you can't treat others with respect, you shouldn't be posting.

[DJ Pioneer]

For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings Headsprung!

Haha, but seriously he has a lot of great songs: I Can't Live Without my Radio, Rock the Bells, I Need a Beat, I'm Bad, Goin Back to Cali, Boomin' System, Around the Way Girl, Mr. Goodbar, Mama Said Knock You Out, How I'm Comin, Back Seat of my Jeep, Jack the Ripper, Phenomenon, 4321, Ill Bomb, etc.

He definitely wrote too many soft songs for the ladies after a certain point, but there were still some decent ones: Hey Lover, Doin It, etc. Oh well, can't hate on him for making real songs but also making songs to help him move the units and get a little mass appeal.

[Swooziemoonshoe]

I must say, I did enjoy LL's work in Deep Blue Sea.





:D

[pshabi]

What shit don't fly around here? Who are you? I didn't realize you were appointed CEO of Adam and the boys message board. Why don't you post a set of YOUR rules somewhere, or have you?

You may have done well with vocab in school, or you have a theasaurus handy, whatever but there is a big difference between disagreeing and being defensive.

Whatever. You get your wish asshole, you can keep your rules and your board. There are other ways to show respect to Adam then coming here everyday for bullshit! You may want to keep your eye on the newly registered list so you can tell them what they can and can't do.

See ya asshole!

The shit that "don't fly" is getting your panties all wound up if someone <gasp> disagrees with something you post!

If you are leaving....again......I really hope you mean it this time. <3

Kick rocks.

[pshabi]

For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings Headsprung!.

Hahaha!

I must say, I did enjoy LL's work in Deep Blue Sea.





:D

HAHAHAHAHA!

LL did do some whack shit.

[bigfatlove06]

Not that i owe you a explanation but I was rebutting it to that poster. You don't want to hear my "diatribe"... don't fucking read it. is that better?

When just about every post you make some idiot pulls out one word to rip you, you have the tendency to be defensive.

No one was talingnto you. Talk about an asshole.

KP & Pshabi are good guys. Just my two cents. :)

[Megalon X]

I saw that interview again last night where "he throws them under the bus". I was shocked how mild it was. Even as he was complaining about them acting too wild, he was kinda backtracking on it. And he was also still a teenager in 1987, so there's that too. I really don't understand how someone would still hold it against him at this point. Of course if you don't like him that's your choice. But IMO there should be a basic level of respect for him considering the important role he has played in Hip Hop history. I personally am not much of a fan of Jay Z's rapping style, but I respect his accomplishments and his place in the Hip Hop scene. And LL of course isn't gonna have the same influence on the BBoys as the Treacherous Three. After all the Treacherous Three came before them and the BBoys & LL came out at pretty much the same time.

If it was just that incident, which was pretty appalling, I wouldn't have this opinion. However, this is just a pattern of behavior from him, and it matters to some people. That whole incident regarding Canibus during the making of 4, 3, 2, 1 has to be one of douchiest things I've heard in regards to hip hop. It's not like he started suddenly being a down to Earth guy after that interview.

I'm not ignorant to what he represents. In 1985, obviously he was one of the best rappers on wax during some relatively formative years for hip hop with good production from Rick Rubin on a very important label. He's over rated though. While being one of the best in the marketplace in 1985, I personally think he hardly gets that claim shortly afterwards. And certainly not by the time of Mama Said Knock You Out came out.

I also think people have a point regarding him being "Beastie Boys family" being over-exaggerated. Obviously, the boys were closely associated with Russel Simmons, but I think referring to him as "family" isn't really accurate.

I also looked up that whole "tranny" rumor last night (in addition to that article that was posted on this thread). Not that it ultimately matters, but that is speculative at best. Pretty ridiculousIt seems like bullshit. Regardless, I think some the straight macho guys that scoff at this idea would probably be turned "gay" in 5 seconds if they ever visited the tourist sections of certain Asian countries and seen the power of female hormone.

[Randetica]

wtfuck is going on here

[Billy Corbitt]

4) Check out Lyor dance moves. :D

http://youtu.be/xyrizURRt3o

My favorite part of this conversation is that LL shared this video via Twitter for fans to see just about the same time as he heard Yauch had passed.

[Gabriely]

My favorite part of this conversation is that LL shared this video via Twitter for fans to see just about the same time as he heard Yauch had passed.

:D

[beasties#1fan]

And yes they were the first to stage dive.
:confused: The beastie boys were the first to stage dive? i know that Yauch was the first to stage dive on soul train, but the INVENTORS of stage diving?????

[beasties#1fan]

Some asshole in the crowd threw something at Yauchs head...poor mca:((n)

[JohnnyChavello]

The smartest move Beasties ever made was getting rid of def jam and shaking those kinds of people that were associated with it if you know what im sayin'.

What kinds of people are you talking about?

[Tam_Tam]

- The smartest move Beasties ever made was getting rid of def jam and shaking those kinds of people that were associated with it if you know what im sayin'.

I have no idea what you're sayin'. Please elaborate.

[Megalon X]

I have no idea what you're sayin'. Please elaborate.

I think this is common knowledge. "Got fat bass lines like Russel Simmons steals money." That's why they split with Def Jam. They were getting jerked.

[Tam_Tam]

I think this is common knowledge. "Got fat bass lines like Russel Simmons steals money." That's why they split with Def Jam. They were getting jerked.

This I know. I don't think that was the reference he was making. Hoping I'm misinterpreting. That's all.

[FlechaRojo]

:confused: The beastie boys were the first to stage dive? i know that Yauch was the first to stage dive on soul train, but the INVENTORS of stage diving?????

Naw, it was around well before them. Iggy Pop with the Stooges...hardcore punk....

But I'm just nitpicking, carry on :)

[DJ Pioneer]

Russel Simmons is a very intelligent person. Very business savvy. But he's also a race hustler and a crook. yogi? what a bullshitter. Its kind of unfortunate that the Beastie Boys had to be involved with people like this back in the day. But really, 25 years later, who got over on who?

I think Russell gave 3rd Bass the rights to use the "n-word." Someone posted that here before. Hilarious.

I don't think he was a race hustler though. The Beastie Boys left Def Jam because they were getting screwed over money and they wanted more creative freedom (i.e. they were getting tired of feeling like they had to act like brats all the time).

[Megalon X]

I think Russell gave 3rd Bass the rights to use the "n-word." Someone posted that here before. Hilarious.

I don't think he was a race hustler though. The Beastie Boys left Def Jam because they were getting screwed over money and they wanted more creative freedom (i.e. they were getting tired of feeling like they had to act like brats all the time).

Ironically, 3rd Bass was also known to have screwed KMD, who is black, out of money when they were managing them. I don't think it's really wise to think of this in terms of race.

[JoLovesMCA]

:confused: The beastie boys were the first to stage dive? i know that Yauch was the first to stage dive on soul train, but the INVENTORS of stage diving?????

No my comment was meant specifically that they did it on Soul Train and brought it into the hip hop community!!! Not the first ever, good lord no!! :)

And about this LL thing. Well I see the reasons for not liking him has to do with him and that's fine by me. But keep in mind this a Beastie Boys message board where many of us do respect the man!!! I mean take that into consideration!!! ;) And BeastieMania doesn't waste space on just anybody! http://www.beastiemania.com/whois/ll_cool_j/

I am a huge fan of the "Beastie Family." It's like the brat pack of the 80's. It's like a cast from a show that worked together for ten years and still hang out to this very day. So yeah anyway. It's all good. :cool:

[DJ Pioneer]

Ironically, 3rd Bass was also known to have screwed KMD, who is black, out of money when they were managing them. I don't think it's really wise to think of this in terms of race.

What did 3rd Bass do to KMD? Was it about their 2nd album getting shelved? Oh well, MF Doom got the last laugh. He's infinitely more popular (in the underground too) than 3rd Bass ever was.

[kimbeastie]

As an African American fan of the Beastie Boys, I find some of the comments on this thread to be a little offensive. The Beastie Boys gets MAD respect from my family and all my black friends. In fact, my FIRST Rap album was the Beastie Boys' LTI. Do you know how many black people say this? Run-DMC said it best when they said "Black people like real people and they could tell the Beasties were real". I liked them because they were REAL and they helped developed my taste in music! I will admit some black people dissed them due to them being white, but that goes both ways when some white people dissed Living Colour for doing rock music.

I supported the Beastie Boys until the end (I will support Ad-Rock and Mike D with whatever they do in the future) and I rooted for them when they left Russell Simmons to go on to bigger and better things. I am SO GLAD that the Beastie Boys are not bitter from losing some black fans after they left Def Jam. The truth is this: they lost ALOT of fans (not just black fans) when they left Simmons but they regained fans of all races that appreciated art, growth, music, and creativity during their development.

I am glad they can appreciate support and love from ALL their fans. I would hope the Beastie Boys' approach to life (of being color-blind) would extend to all their fans, but apparently that is not the case.

As for Yauch almost getting beat-up, stage-diving didn't happen in rap music during the 80s. I like to think Yauch helped to open rap audiences' minds to stage-diving. I know one thing (tears in my eyes), I would give almost anything to see him stage dive again...I would catch him.

[kimbeastie]

Sorry for my rant...getting off my soapbox to enjoy my day.

[JoLovesMCA]

As an African American fan of the Beastie Boys, I find some of the comments on this thread to be a little offensive. The Beastie Boys gets MAD respect from my family and all my black friends. In fact, my FIRST Rap album was the Beastie Boys' LTI. Do you know how many black people say this? Run-DMC said it best when they said "Black people like real people and they could tell the Beasties were real". I liked them because they were REAL and they helped developed my taste in music! I will admit some black people dissed them due to them being white, but that goes both ways when some white people dissed Living Colour for doing rock music.

I supported the Beastie Boys until the end (I will support Ad-Rock and Mike D with whatever they do in the future) and I rooted for them when they left Russell Simmons to go on to bigger and better things. I am SO GLAD that the Beastie Boys are not bitter from losing some black fans after they left Def Jam. The truth is this: they lost ALOT of fans (not just black fans) when they left Simmons but they regained fans of all races that appreciated art, growth, music, and creativity during their development.

I am glad they can appreciate support and love from ALL their fans. I would hope the Beastie Boys' approach to life (of being color-blind) would extend to all their fans, but apparently that is not the case.

As for Yauch almost getting beat-up, stage-diving didn't happen in rap music during the 80s. I like to think Yauch helped to open rap audiences' minds to stage-diving. I know one thing (tears in my eyes), I would give almost anything to see him stage dive again...I would catch him.

(y)

[pshabi]

What did 3rd Bass do to KMD? Was it about their 2nd album getting shelved? Oh well, MF Doom got the last laugh. He's infinitely more popular (in the underground too) than 3rd Bass ever was.
Huge DOOM fan here...so it's ALL CAPS when I spell the man name!

I thought KMD shelved it for other reasons and DOOM and serch are definitely close. Villain man showed up on a serch track recently.

On another note, I always wanted to ask the Beastie Boys what they thought of him.

[JohnnyChavello]

This may be old news, but this is just the kind of thing you would expect from these kinds of people.

http://philly.urlyfe.com/live/live-detail/live/attitude/russell-simmons-in-hot-water-over-prepaid-rushcard

Yeah, I thought so. Fuck you.

[Micodin]

I thought KMD shelved it for other reasons and DOOM and serch are definitely close. Villain man showed up on a serch track recently..

1. KMD's second record Black Bastards was shelved because of the album art and subject matter.

2. Dante Ross managed KMD not 3rd Bass.

3. 3rd Bass never screwed KMD over. They loved those guys.

4. Pshabi is correct. DOOM is and has always been cool with Pete and Serch.

I love how people just make shit up. Do your homework.

[Randetica]

Is that what your mom said when she found out you were hung like an ant?

lol

[DJ Pioneer]

Villain man showed up on a serch track recently.


Wait, Serch is still making music? I had no idea. You know, his solo album back in the 90's was decent.

[pshabi]

Ok, I spoke somewhat hastily lol. The "recent" track was Benetton and was actually a Kurious George track with Serch and DOOM. It came out in '09 haha. I had to look it up. Serch led off on the track and I guess that's why I was mistaken. My bad.

[Megalon X]

1. KMD's second record Black Bastards was shelved because of the album art and subject matter.

2. Dante Ross managed KMD not 3rd Bass.

3. 3rd Bass never screwed KMD over. They loved those guys.

4. Pshabi is correct. DOOM is and has always been cool with Pete and Serch.

I love how people just make shit up. Do your homework.

1. The album art was used as a political excuse for shelving them. It's not that simple. It's not that hard to change the fucking cover art.

2-3. Maybe I misspoke when I said they managed them, but they had the underling role for a while. It's common knowledge they were embezzeling a good portion of their cut from the shows they performed. I'm just not making shit up. I've heard this from multiple sources that know Doom's shit way better than either of us.

4. Why would Doom remain respectful to Serch in current day when asked about him? Becuase the guy put him on. That simple. It's a respect thing I guess. I see lots of distance being put between them starting with Black Bastards. I don't think there are any 3rd Bass shout outs on that album at all. Doom had absolutely nothing to do with Pete or Serch starting with that album. Nothing has publicly ever been said on or off record, but if you're paying attention, there is a difference.

I'm also guessing the relationship with Dante Ross isn't the greatest either. He said some negative shit about Subroc and Kurious at his forum, and he literally got in a flame war with MF Grimm over it. People have also accused him of hoarding people's masters.

Ok, I spoke somewhat hastily lol. The "recent" track was Benetton and was actually a Kurious George track with Serch and DOOM. It came out in '09 haha. I had to look it up. Serch led off on the track and I guess that's why I was mistaken. My badWhich doesn't prove anything really. They obviously weren't in the studio together. If you've seen the music video for that song, they weren't even together when it was recorded. Kurious is also obviously one of his best friends, and he would probably have done the song just for that reason.

I'm not saying they hate each other or anything, but that's just something that has been mentioned as happening. Members of Monsta Island Czars have even accused Doom of pocketing their money. That beef was ongoing until Grimm squashed it some years later. So if you want to claim this thing doesn't happen, I think you are slightly naive. I'm a fan of all of these people btw. It's not a huge issue to me, this kind of bizzare shit just happens. Erick Sermon even robbed PMD's house, and I still listen to both of them.

[Micodin]

Bullshit.

[Megalon X]

Bullshit.

Yeah that's a real mature way to retort me. I'm honestly going with what the other people said since you can't back up your shit with anything. You can't win an argument with one word reply. Grow up.

[Micodin]

Yeah that's a real mature way to retort me. I'm honestly going with what the other people said since you can't back up your shit with anything. You can't win an argument with one word reply. Grow up.

:rolleyes:

[Megalon X]

:rolleyes:

What's the next reply? ... Real intelligent. Pretty sure I was listening to Doom before you even. I heard this shit from people that knew their stuff on the Doom forum before it was shut down. Early in KMD's career, they were getting pimped for shows regarding payment. I don't blame them for doing whatever they had to do to get put on, but you're going to have to have something good to trump that and prove it's "bulshit" to me.

But if you want to ride 3rd Bass's nuts without a source. Awesome. Let's also pretend they didn't diss the Beasties on the first song on a gold album because Simmons told them to.

[MCA4ever]

This show looked like a free for all. I don't know if it was the angle of the camera person who filmed this but it just looked so outta control. They were all just doing their own thing. What a transformation they had made from the time this was shot until I had first seen them in the mid 90's! Is that what cool J meant by "keeping the culture alive" ? Did he not like that they were not as wild now as back then? Or was he talkin about the way they dressed? But even back then, it seemed like he did not like that they were so crazy and he wanted them to tone it down.

[Micodin]

I heard this shit from people that knew their stuff on the Doom forum before it was shut down.

I went to college with Mike's brother Chris.

I talk to Pete almost every week.

I don't talk out the side of my mouth from shit I've read on a forum and then automatically think it's fact.

Put a quarter in your ass because you played yourself.

Well done.

[Megalon X]

I went to college with Mike's brother Chris.

I talk to Pete almost every week.

I don't talk out the side of my mouth from shit I've read on a forum and then automatically think it's fact.

Put a quarter in your ass because you played yourself.

Well done.

I'm still not convinced. Obviously, if you're in 3rd Bass's camp, you're going to get one side. There were people at Dumile's forum that thought differently that obviously knew their shit. Why the fuck would they make up something like that? I don't even understand what the point would be without a nugget of truth to it. As for people at a fucking forum, you are obviously here. You think you're the only person that knows anything?

I like 3rd Bass, one of the my favorite groups, but if you want a forum with people kissing their asses, I think this is the wrong forum, considering Yauch shut down both of them on record.

But whatever, I'm tired of this. It's not even on topic. If you want to correct this version of history, you're going to have to go around posting one word replies to other people, because I'm not the person that started that one.

[Micodin]

I'm still not convinced. Obviously, if you're in 3rd Bass's camp, you're going to get one side. There were people at Dumile's forum that thought differently that obviously knew their shit. Why the fuck would they make up something like that? I don't even understand what the point would be without a nugget of truth to it. As for people at a fucking forum, you are obviously here. You think you're the only person that knows anything?

I like 3rd Bass, one of the my favorite groups, but if you want a forum with people kissing their asses, I think this is the wrong forum, considering Yauch shut down both of them on record.

But whatever, I'm tired of this. It's not even on topic. If you want to correct this version of history, you're going to have to go around posting one word replies to other people, because I'm not the person that started that one.

I'm not in 3rd Bass's camp! Just because I know Chris and Pete doesn't mean I'm on their Street Team for fucks sake! We just go back a ways. Life works that way. I'm just saying I know what really went down. Which is not much. After Mike and Pete split almost everyone went with Pete and Rich. Mike did his solo shit pretty much on his own (and new producers). And I'm taking it from the peoples mouths, not some fan forum.

And I'm just telling the correct facts not trying to get people to kiss their asses you simpleton.

Yes, Yauch shut Serch down years later on Professor Booty.

But if you really want to get into it... Cey Adams designed the 3rd Bass logo and did artwork for them.

OMG! Cey. Adam H's best friend did work for 3rd Bass when they were in this so called "beef". What the fuck? Call the National Guard!

In other words. It's old news. Most of it you didn't know before or still don't know or even comprehend the ins or outs. You're just a Herb that believes everything you read on a fan site and believe it to be fact.

Let it go.

[Megalon X]

I'm not in 3rd Bass's camp! Just because I know Chris and Pete doesn't mean I'm on their Street Team for fucks sake! We just go back a ways. Life works that way. I'm just saying I know what really went down. Which is not much. After Mike and Pete split almost everyone went with Pete and Rich. Mike did his solo shit pretty much on his own (and new producers). And I'm taking it from the peoples mouths, not some fan forum.

And I'm just telling the correct facts not trying to get people to kiss their asses you simpleton.

Yes, Yauch shut Serch down years later on Professor Booty.

But if you really want to get into it... Cey Adams designed the 3rd Bass logo and did artwork for them.

OMG! Cey. Adam H's best friend did work for 3rd Bass when they were in this so called "beef". What the fuck? Call the National Guard!

In other words. It's old news. Most of it you didn't know before or still don't know or even comprehend the ins or outs. You're just a Herb that believes everything you read on a fan site and believe it to be fact.

Let it go.

Yeah, so called beef. I'm sorry, I'm going with what Yauch said on that one. He's not the kind of guy who would put something on a record without conviction. If you want to go ahead and pass all that bullshit 3rd Bass said on their records as a gimmick, I think that lowers my opinion of 3rd Bass by a few notches. If that was 3rd Bass's gimmick, it sure as fuck wasn't the Beasties.'

And I'm not a herb (does anyone say that anymore?) because I didn't share a dorm room with someone's brother. This is the internet. If you want to stop people from talking about this kind of shit good luck with that. I think this is probably only 1 of 200 strange things I've heard about 3rd Bass in particular, which is fucking odd since they only had two albums. The group I guess grated a lot of people's nerves, because I don't hear as much bullshit about any other group. But this is part of being a public figure. It's not like I can go interview everyone that was in CM Crew tomorrow about it like a fucking reporter. Hip hop is obviously full of a lot of bullshit in general due to all this weird respect and antagonism shit you don't see in any other genre. I honestly doubt you rarely if ever get the whole truth from anyone.

[Micodin]

Yeah, so called beef. I'm sorry, I'm going with what Yauch said on that one. He's not the kind of guy who would put something on a record without conviction. If you want to go ahead and pass all that bullshit 3rd Bass said on their records as a gimmick, I think that lowers my opinion of 3rd Bass by a few notches. If that was 3rd Bass's gimmick, it sure as fuck wasn't the Beasties.'

And I'm not a herb (does anyone say that anymore?) because I didn't share a dorm room with someone's brother. This is the internet. If you want to stop people from talking about this kind of shit good luck with that. I think this is probably only 1 of 200 strange things I've heard about 3rd Bass in particular, which is fucking odd since they only had two albums. The group I guess grated a lot of people's nerves, because I don't hear as much bullshit about any other group. But this is part of being a public figure. It's not like I can go interview everyone that was in CM Crew tomorrow about it like a fucking reporter. Hip hop is obviously full of a lot of bullshit in general due to all this weird respect and antagonism shit you don't see in any other genre. I honestly doubt you rarely if ever get the whole truth from anyone.

Moving on...

[Brass Monk]

I would be hard pressed to name a Hip Hop group "better" than the Beastie Boys.
In contrast I could probably name 300-400 groups that are easily better than 3rd Bass. I guess that isn't necessarily the point of what some folks are talking about, but I felt compelled to say it.

3rd Bass' biggest contribution to Hip Hop is Serch discovering Nas (and perhaps Ill Bill and Necro to a far lesser degree). I'm pretty sure the White Mike character on the old Wayans Brothers show is mocking Serch. His attitude towards African American Identity was surely offensive to many.