BEASTIE BOYS PENTHOUSE INTERVIEW CIRCA 1987/88

[FLO MASTER]

Does anyone know if its anywhere online? I remember buying the mag when it came out, mainly because it had madonna in it a second time and there was a really good interview with the beasties along with some cool photos including mike d and mca spraying madonna with water guns on stage. Im trying to recall a quote from Adam where he discusses the plot to "Scared stupid" where he says something like "i get 100 blowjobs a day but I havent gotten anyone to give up the pussy".

[MCA4ever]

Does anyone know if its anywhere online? I remember buying the mag when it came out, mainly because it had madonna in it a second time and there was a really good interview with the beasties along with some cool photos including mike d and mca spraying madonna with water guns on stage. Im trying to recall a quote from Adam where he discusses the plot to "Scared stupid" where he says something like "i get 100 blowjobs a day but I havent gotten anyone to give up the pussy".

Maybe, guessing from that last sentence, could Adam have had any remaining copies burned?

[Brass Monk]

That would be a cool interview to see. I love the crazy un-PC Beastie Boys as much as the 90's super-PC Beastie Boys. They did everything to the extreme during the 80's & then the 90's before kinda finding a happy medium at the end.

[MCA4ever]

I'm not all about political correctness or a "prude". The Beasties back in their hayday make up what the Beasties are today but really guys? We couldn't find a "better" quote from that article? Did we have to boldface the type too? :rolleyes:

[Brass Monk]

We couldn't find a "better" quote from that article? Did we have to boldface the type too? :rolleyes:

I think he was going off of memory as far as quotable lines.

[FLO MASTER]

I think he was going off of memory as far as quotable lines.

yes, thanks. I barely remember the interview. it showed the beasties, in a 2 page spread, getting drunk and playing cards in a cave with a nearly naked girl. i need to check my men's collection now to verify it.

[FLO MASTER]

ok, just checked and its gone. :(


this is the issue:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Penthouse-Madonna-Cover-Beastie-Boys-Rock-Hudson-Ronald-Regan-Dashiell-Hammett-/150852101457?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item231f7c6551

[Sir SkratchaLot]

ok, just checked and its gone. :(


Maybe it got stuck to one of the other magazines?

[MCA4ever]

I think he was going off of memory as far as quotable lines.

I guess I should have known better than to open this thread. That sentence did exactly what, I think, it was intended to do - :eek: I did find it personally offensive. That quote is how many years old? I just feel like putting it out there, the way the poster did was unecessary. Didn't they already apologize for shit like that? I just feel bringing up that specific situation with such enthusiasm sets us back a bit, don't you? I think we were all young and stupid once or twice. I'm just glad my stupidity is not documented out there for anyone to throw it up in my face or bring to my attention.

I'm just sayin' ...

[Tam_Tam]

Maybe it got stuck to one of the other magazines?

Haaahahahahahahhaaaha

[FLO MASTER]

Maybe it got stuck to one of the other magazines?


lmao!! yes, i put alot of milage on that madonna one! to think i bought it soley for the beastie interview! ;)

[FLO MASTER]

I guess I should have known better than to open this thread. That sentence did exactly what, I think, it was intended to do - :eek: I did find it personally offensive. That quote is how many years old? I just feel like putting it out there, the way the poster did was unecessary. Didn't they already apologize for shit like that? I just feel bringing up that specific situation with such enthusiasm sets us back a bit, don't you? I think we were all young and stupid once or twice. I'm just glad my stupidity is not documented out there for anyone to throw it up in my face or bring to my attention.

I'm just sayin' ...

if we all could go by your beliefs then we all might as well ignore thier past. lets make believe they never existed until 1989 so they have a brand new image. why should they apoligize for the interview? afterall, it was PENTHOUSE and not those teenie bopper magazines.

[Brass Monk]

if we all could go by your beliefs then we all might as well ignore thier past. lets make believe they never existed until 1989 so they have a brand new image. why should they apoligize for the interview? afterall, it was PENTHOUSE and not those teenie bopper magazines.

Yep, I couldn't agree with you more. They indulged in the groupie scene like 90% of the big time music groups out there, past and present. They shouldn't have to apologize for it (thought they did anyway) nor should any of the million other groups that did it.

I got respect for you MCA4ever, but it if that sort of thing personally offends you than that would mean were not allowed to discuss the LTI era at all in any real detail. They were rude & crude a la the sex pistols and I find that era as interesting as all their other phases. And I don't think that makes me a sexist jerk for doing so (although you probably weren't implying that).

[MCA4ever]

Yep, I couldn't agree with you more. They indulged in the groupie scene like 90% of the big time music groups out there, past and present. They shouldn't have to apologize for it (thought they did anyway) nor should any of the million other groups that did it.

I got respect for you MCA4ever, but it if that sort of thing personally offends you than that would mean were not allowed to discuss the LTI era at all in any real detail. They were rude & crude a la the sex pistols and I find that era as interesting as all their other phases. And I don't think that makes me a sexist jerk for doing so (although you probably weren't implying that).

Ya know I said to myself I was going to leave this alone- I tried :) I am in no position to judge you brass monk or anyone else. I have never heard it explained that to have been a beastie fan in the LTI era meant you had to get off on the sexism. It's a known fact that the beasties themselves acknowledge some of what they stood for back in the day was wrong. We can go round and round about this, there is soooo much more i want to say but i think you know that :) and we would still all come to the conclusion that they have apologized for it. Apology has ,been accepted. Let's move on. They gave so much more than that. I wonder, knowing what they know today back then, if we would be going back and fourth about them commenting on how many blow jobs they got vs. how many times they got laid?

[Brass Monk]

Ya know I said to myself I was going to leave this alone- I tried :) I am in no position to judge you brass monk or anyone else. I have never heard it explained that to have been a beastie fan in the LTI era meant you had to get off on the sexism. It's a known fact that the beasties themselves acknowledge some of what they stood for back in the day was wrong. We can go round and round about this, there is soooo much more i want to say but i think you know that :) and we would still all come to the conclusion that they have apologized for it. Apology has ,been accepted. Let's move on. They gave so much more than that. I wonder, knowing what they know today back then, if we would be going back and fourth about them commenting on how many blow jobs they got vs. how many times they got laid?

Fair enough :).
I am curious about the contents of that Penthouse article though

[Heather_D]

Did you try google cos there seems to be plenty of down loads available of this issue? While I'm not too big of a fan of objectifying women, it is your right to look for this. I think you should also go over and read the "Song for the Man- Real Life" discussion to understand why people may be upset. I have learned through the years that men & women think differently. Maybe women are thinking "That could be MY daughter" while men may just want to read a good "guys" story. I'm open to either view, but you should be too. I'm not saying you didn't think before you posted the quote you remember (honestly, I'd remember that quote too if I read it in an article), but maybe just take into account how others might feel. Maybe tone it down a bit.

[MCA4ever]

[QUOTE=Brass Monk;1794612]Fair enough :).

(y)

I think you really do understand what I was trying to say. You may even think I'm right (lb)

I would like to read that article myself.

[Brass Monk]

[QUOTE=Brass Monk;1794612]Fair enough :).

(y)

I think you really do understand what I was trying to say. You may even think I'm right (lb)

I would like to read that article myself.

Yes, I agree with you that sexism is bad. ;)
But we may disagree as far as this board's ability and right to discuss and quote politically incorrect Bboys stuff. I think that should be OK. Looking at the crude stuff only helps to highlight their transformation anyway. :)

[MCA4ever]

[QUOTE=MCA4ever;1794615]

Yes, I agree with you that sexism is bad. ;)
But we may disagree as far as this board's ability and right to discuss and quote politically incorrect Bboys stuff. I think that should be OK. Looking at the crude stuff only helps to highlight their transformation anyway. :)

So what you are saying is that these boards need respect each other when it comes to sexual preferences, musical interest, race,... But we have to accept sexism? I didn't accept it as a teenager but I have to accept it now to be a fan of the Beastie Boys and to be a member of this board?

You said in an earlier post that "they (the Beastie boys) should not have had to apologize but (you) thought they did anyway." *Just curious why you think they should not have to apologize? Is it because you think in order to be a rock star you have to be all about tits and ass? I can tell you first hand that part of the rock star persona is somewhat exaggerated.*
I just don't get why you or the guy with the sticky "men's collection"*feel the need to celebrate that part of their career? If they could take it back, I know they would.*
In a perfect world you may have stood up for respecting women here,the way you did for those members who respected LL Cool J in that other thread.*

[MCA4ever]

How many quotes are posted here every day? How many do you see in boldface type like that? Maybe it was the way the poster presented that quote. It gave me the impression that he was proud of them for that. Not that he was just repeating an historical moment. So maybe the part I don't get is why are you defending him and making excuses for him ???


:confused:

[MCA4ever]

if we all could go by your beliefs then we all might as well ignore thier past. lets make believe they never existed until 1989 so they have a brand new image. why should they apoligize for the interview? afterall, it was PENTHOUSE and not those teenie bopper magazines.

You just don't get it! Is that really all that the beasties apologizing for that shit means to you? That they have a "brand new image?" Why should they apologize (because after all, it was Penthouse[...]? I feel sorry for you.

[Brass Monk]

[QUOTE=Brass Monk;1794631]
You said in an earlier post that "they (the Beastie boys) should not have had to apologize but (you) thought they did anyway." *Just curious why you think they should not have to apologize? Is it because you think in order to be a rock star you have to be all about tits and ass? I can tell you first hand that part of the rock star persona is somewhat exaggerated.*
I just don't get why you or the guy with the sticky "men's collection"*feel the need to celebrate that part of their career? If they could take it back, I know they would.*
In a perfect world you may have stood up for respecting women here,the way you did for those members who respected LL Cool J in that other thread.*
I didn't think they needed to apologize because they were young and dumb. Everyone should get that they moved passed it if you listened to later lyrics or albums (that is the "apology"). I am interested in this part of their career as I am of all phases of their career. Not "celebrating it", just finding out about it (I never knew this interview existed). I wanna know about all aspects of Beastie history. I thought that was what these boards were for. Being interested in this interview does not make me a sexist! There is some intolerance going on here, but ironically its not from the so-called sexists.

[MCA4ever]

[QUOTE=MCA4ever;1794634]
I didn't think they needed to apologize because they were young and dumb. Everyone should get that they moved passed it if you listened to later lyrics or albums (that is the "apology"). I am interested in this part of their career as I am of all phases of their career. Not "celebrating it", just finding out about it (I never knew this interview existed). I wanna know about all aspects of Beastie history. I thought that was what these boards were for. Being interested in this interview does not make me a sexist! There is some intolerance going on here, but ironically its not from the so-called sexists.

You seem to be contradicting yourself just a bit now. Are you really missing my point of most of what I have said or do you just like to stir things up a bit?

Intolerance in most instances is wrong but intolerance of anything that demeans another human being on any level is more than ok in my book.

[JoLovesMCA]

LTI days don’t offend me one bit. Yeah they were wild but we all know a lot of it was an act. An act that went to far thus saith the late great Adam Yauch. He also said they were white assholes! Yauch's ex girlfriend said she got onto him all of the time for their behaviour and she said he apologized many times. I think at that point they were getting tired of it all.

Anyway I don't care if they partied, had groupies etc… They were young and FAMOUS and had to learn from those experiences to get to the next level in their personal lives and careers. And that happened fast. They didn't stick around with the crowd. They quickly took control and moved on.


The Beastie Boys and the 80’s are special for me. It just brings back a lot of great memories as a kid. They were such a huge part of it. They literally fought for RAP when it was still a new thing and so taboo. I appreciate all they did even if they were being little punks sometimes!

I do love the men they are today though, I definitely wouldn't change that.

[FLO MASTER]

Yep, I couldn't agree with you more. They indulged in the groupie scene like 90% of the big time music groups out there, past and present. They shouldn't have to apologize for it (thought they did anyway) nor should any of the million other groups that did it.

I got respect for you MCA4ever, but it if that sort of thing personally offends you than that would mean were not allowed to discuss the LTI era at all in any real detail. They were rude & crude a la the sex pistols and I find that era as interesting as all their other phases. And I don't think that makes me a sexist jerk for doing so (although you probably weren't implying that).

I have to interrupt here for a second. the quote was from mca, about the plot to thier movie "scared stupid"...or at least that is what I remember.

[FLO MASTER]

The Beastie Boys and the 80’s are special for me. It just brings back a lot of great memories as a kid. They were such a huge part of it. They literally fought for RAP when it was still a new thing and so taboo. I appreciate all they did even if they were being little punks sometimes!

I do love the men they are today though, I definitely wouldn't change that.

this!!!(y):)

[MCA4ever]

I wanted to respond to what Jo said in a positive way but just feel it just didn't belong here.

[FLO MASTER]

ok, do you understand that you got upset over something i posted that mca said that was part of a plot to a movie? you thought that it was him talking about himself......it was part of a movie. it had nothing to do with what he does in real life nor something he was portraying as a musical artist.

[paperdali]

It makes me a little nuts when people refer to not treating human beings like shit as being PC, as if it's some sort of weak, fake position to not be an asshole to someone based on their sex, sexual orientation, race, etc.

They did have to apologize for treating women like shit. That's the first step in acknowledging that you've done harm to people and moving toward being a decent human being.

Being young and ignorant is a reason for being a sexist asshole, I guess, but it isn't an excuse. Coming out swinging on the side of feminism wasn't easy when they did it. It's often perceived as weak (often called whiteknighting, like the only reason to stand up for women is to get laid). But it's really hard, I'd argue impossible, to argue that the Beastie Boys were ever weak.

There are a couple of things I need to say about this, as a BeastieGrrl (heh).

1) If people can't change, see the error of their ways, and make amends toward those they have hurt in the past, then what's the point of arguing? Treating women like shit isn't funny. We get treated like shit on a day to day, which was noted by Song for the Man. Having a band like Beastie Boys start to call it out and apologize for sexism and homophobic bullshit was hugely important. You can be the coolest, funniest, most raucous band on the planet and be gracious and thoughtful toward other humans without appearing weak. Because of who they were, they're uniquely able to reach out to an audience primed to think sexism is hilarious, that women aren't fully human, that women are objects for derision and enjoyment, and tell that audience that they're wrong. And that audience grew and matured with them.

2) It takes an incredible amount of courage to stand up for people who are oppressed. You wouldn't think so, but it is. Tons of people prefer the status quo, because they benefit so much from it. It's hard to look at your privilege, reach out, and lift people up. It's way easier to join the chorus of bullies who put women down. "Girls" put women down and laughed at them. The irony of that was only good for people who knew them, but for a metric assload of sexist pieces of shit, it was reinforcement of good-ole-boy sexist attitudes. They may have set out to be the Colberts of frat-boy culture, but hardly anyone was in on the joke, and they hurt people.

Seeing that, they stood up. They couldn't take it back, but they explained, they apologized, and took action to make amends. This isn't "PC." It's just being a decent human being.

What makes this so fucking awesome is that these unbelievable cool, influential men did all of this and nothing bad happened to them. In fact, they proved that you can absolutely be a cool, sexy, strong man WITHOUT putting women down, and in fact, can actually put out a hand and help lift women up. This, to me, is enormously important.

And it couldn't have happened without their first acknowledging that they had done wrong, and then taking positive steps to make amends.

Again, there is nothing at all "politically correct" about not treating women like disposable fucktoys. I think that they'd say if treating women like shit is "living the dream" you have pretty fucked up dreams.

The only way that line of thinking will change is by more people like them showing that it isn't cool, and it isn't a dream. I would think that they all would say (I think MCA would have said, though how can I know?) that finding a partner who is strong, who is your equal, who loves and supports you like you love and support them is living the dream.

I...am getting off of this soap box. I'm afraid of heights.

[paperdali]

I guess what I forgot to put in there is that when they stood up, they helped give a lot of other men the courage to stand up as well. I'm grateful.

[FLO MASTER]

It makes me a little nuts when people refer to not treating human beings like shit as being PC, as if it's some sort of weak, fake position to not be an asshole to someone based on their sex, sexual orientation, race, etc.

They did have to apologize for treating women like shit. That's the first step in acknowledging that you've done harm to people and moving toward being a decent human being.

Being young and ignorant is a reason for being a sexist asshole, I guess, but it isn't an excuse. Coming out swinging on the side of feminism wasn't easy when they did it. It's often perceived as weak (often called whiteknighting, like the only reason to stand up for women is to get laid). But it's really hard, I'd argue impossible, to argue that the Beastie Boys were ever weak.

There are a couple of things I need to say about this, as a BeastieGrrl (heh).

1) If people can't change, see the error of their ways, and make amends toward those they have hurt in the past, then what's the point of arguing? Treating women like shit isn't funny. We get treated like shit on a day to day, which was noted by Song for the Man. Having a band like Beastie Boys start to call it out and apologize for sexism and homophobic bullshit was hugely important. You can be the coolest, funniest, most raucous band on the planet and be gracious and thoughtful toward other humans without appearing weak. Because of who they were, they're uniquely able to reach out to an audience primed to think sexism is hilarious, that women aren't fully human, that women are objects for derision and enjoyment, and tell that audience that they're wrong. And that audience grew and matured with them.

2) It takes an incredible amount of courage to stand up for people who are oppressed. You wouldn't think so, but it is. Tons of people prefer the status quo, because they benefit so much from it. It's hard to look at your privilege, reach out, and lift people up. It's way easier to join the chorus of bullies who put women down. "Girls" put women down and laughed at them. The irony of that was only good for people who knew them, but for a metric assload of sexist pieces of shit, it was reinforcement of good-ole-boy sexist attitudes. They may have set out to be the Colberts of frat-boy culture, but hardly anyone was in on the joke, and they hurt people.

Seeing that, they stood up. They couldn't take it back, but they explained, they apologized, and took action to make amends. This isn't "PC." It's just being a decent human being.

What makes this so fucking awesome is that these unbelievable cool, influential men did all of this and nothing bad happened to them. In fact, they proved that you can absolutely be a cool, sexy, strong man WITHOUT putting women down, and in fact, can actually put out a hand and help lift women up. This, to me, is enormously important.

And it couldn't have happened without their first acknowledging that they had done wrong, and then taking positive steps to make amends.

Again, there is nothing at all "politically correct" about not treating women like disposable fucktoys. I think that they'd say if treating women like shit is "living the dream" you have pretty fucked up dreams.

The only way that line of thinking will change is by more people like them showing that it isn't cool, and it isn't a dream. I would think that they all would say (I think MCA would have said, though how can I know?) that finding a partner who is strong, who is your equal, who loves and supports you like you love and support them is living the dream.

I...am getting off of this soap box. I'm afraid of heights.


I dont think they apoligized for treating women like shit. i think they apoligized for rapping about treating them like shit. men treat women like shit all the time, and vice versa. the beasties just rapped about it. after taking much heat for it over the years, they probably caved in and noticed that a good chunk of thier fans were females. ask any woman whats thier favorite beastie song and they will undoubtedly say "girls".

[paperdali]

Rapping about treating them like shit IS treating them like shit, though. Talking about, rapping about, whispering about, signing about women like they're nothing is in fact treating them like shit.

And in my circles, for the majority, it's Sure Shot.

Am not sure why their fans would try and excuse this crap, or downplay it. They sure haven't. They didn't "cave in" to some sort of pressure. They just realized that they had done wrong. You're writing like it's some sort of shameful thing to be ashamed of having down something wrong, owning up to it, and becoming a better person. That they did so makes me love them not just for their music, but for them as really good people.

[JoLovesMCA]

I dont think they apoligized for treating women like shit. i think they apoligized for rapping about treating them like shit. men treat women like shit all the time, and vice versa. the beasties just rapped about it. after taking much heat for it over the years, they probably caved in and noticed that a good chunk of thier fans were females. ask any woman whats thier favorite beastie song and they will undoubtedly say "girls".

Yes. That's what I was trying to say about it being an act! And a lot of those stories about them were fabricated. I think it pissed them off that they had let things go too far because it made the media view them much worse then they really were. It's easy to feed off of that and blow it up.

I felt bad for them.. I remember that one press interiew Horovitz was PISSED. He cursed at the photographers and media. I know they were probably already thinking damn we gotta do something about this because people are taking it serious. I understand it doesn't excuse their behaviour because a lot of people get offended joking or not...

(y):o GIRLS!! I had always hoped for a GIRLSPartTWO rather than HotSaucePartTWO. Just KIDDING...Hell yeah!!!!I love that shit. I mean for me I never had a problem with it.

[FLO MASTER]

Yes. That's what I was trying to say about it being an act! And a lot of those stories about them were fabricated. I think it pissed them off that they had let things go too far because it made the media view them much worse then they really were. It's easy to feed off of that and blow it up.

I felt bad for them.. I remember that one press interiew Horovitz was PISSED. He cursed at the photographers and media. I know they were probably already thinking damn we gotta do something about this because people are taking it serious. I understand it doesn't excuse their behaviour because a lot of people get offended joking or not...

(y):o GIRLS!! I had always hoped for a GIRLSPartTWO rather than HotSaucePartTWO. Just KIDDING...Hell yeah!!!!I love that shit. I mean for me I never had a problem with it.

most of the singers and rappers out there fabricate thier stories. thats why i dont think the boys had to say sorry for thier actual "acts" just rapping about it. come on....do you actually think they smoked cracked when they were rhymin and stealing? lol!

[JoLovesMCA]

most of the singers and rappers out there fabricate thier stories. thats why i dont think the boys had to say sorry for thier actual "acts" just rapping about it. come on....do you actually think they smoked cracked when they were rhymin and stealing? lol!

If they actually did everything they rapped about they would be looking like iggy pop. The lyrics made me laugh, and that obviously hasn't changed. Hot Sauce is full of clever craziness too. I like the lyrical growth but at the same time there's still that BIG kid in all three of them. Mike D would have rapped about his dick in a cast 20 years ago. Not tooooo much has changed!!!

Yauch said it best. "People love our music because it's fun and having fun will never go out of fashion."

[paperdali]

I really disagree with both of you (I hope it's not coming off as dislike, which isn't the case!) on this. When I read quotes like this:

“Sexism is deeply rooted in our history and society that waking up and stepping outside of it is like I’m watching ‘Night of the Living Dead Part Two’ all day every day. Listening to the lyrics of this song, one might say that the Beastie Boy ‘Fight for Your Right to Party’ guy is a hypocrite. Well, maybe; but in this fucked up world all you can hope for is change, and I’d rather be a hypocrite to you than a zombie forever.” Adam Horovitz

I can't understand that you don't see that he's acknowledging that what they wrote and rapped was sexist and shitty toward women.

Mike D acknowledged it with, "we were shitty."

It doesn't matter if you like Girls. You are just liking a sexist song that is shitty toward women. That you like it doesn't make it less sexist and shitty towards women. A sexist joke is still sexist, whether or not anyone thinks it was funny. And they didn't play it live anymore because it was shitty toward women. "MCA's in the back with a mahjong board" isn't the original lyric in No Sleep, either.

Furthermore, the issue with Prodigy was them trying to make another band understand that the power of words is huge, and saying, "I'm just kidding, I'm not really like that" after a racist, sexist, homophobic statement is kind of bullshit.

It makes it all the more heroic that they acknowledged all of that their words did have power, that they were using them in a way that put people down, and that they were encouraging the very assholes they couldn't stand to be bigger assholes. THAT hurts. It was a mistake to do it.

Part of what makes them heroic was acknowledging that it was a mistake. I mean, you don't have to agree that they had anything to apologize for. I think that's wrong. So did they. So they did. Shit, they didn't call Ill "Don't Be a Faggot" but Adam Horovitz still wrote a letter to Time Out apologizing for it.

Did they have to apologize? Nope.

Would they be the classy guys they turned out to be if they hadn't apologized? Nope.

This is what I'm getting at.

Oh, this was the Yauch quote I was looking for re: Prodigy: “We just wanted to let the Prodigy know that we felt like that song had a real meaning, has a definite meaning with those lyrics…We were kinda more going to them saying, ’We’ve been through this and we feel weird about this stuff and we’d like to suggest or ask you guys not to play it,” said Yauch.

[Brass Monk]

[QUOTE=Brass Monk;1794642]

You seem to be contradicting yourself just a bit now. Are you really missing my point of most of what I have said or do you just like to stir things up a bit?

Intolerance in most instances is wrong but intolerance of anything that demeans another human being on any level is more than ok in my book.

Nobody is saying what you claim they are saying! What you are doing is what Sigmund Freud called projection. You are projecting your strong feelings towards people who are sexist onto people that are not (or at least certainly haven't said enough for you to have any idea that they are intolerant sexists). That is disgraceful and overly defensive MCA4ever, it really is and now I'm personally offended. 1 quote from an interview and you fly off the handle accusing people of despicable things they are in no way saying. Shame on you, really. I don't live my life that way and for you and others to start throwing wild accusations around like that is really, really sad. We are talking about a quote from an interview and you are going off on a crazy rant.

[JohnnyChavello]

It doesn't matter if you like Girls. You are just liking a sexist song that is shitty toward women. That you like it doesn't make it less sexist and shitty towards women.

I don't like Girls. I never did. But, if I'm being honest, the reason I don't like it has nothing to do with sexism. I just don't like listening to it. So, this isn't about that particular song, but I do want to bring up a point and see if it registers.

You suggest that if you like "Girls," and impliedly, if you like any particular thing that is sexist in some way, you're contributing to sexism. Maybe. Philosophically, you can make that argument. But you're not distinguishing between what I may or may not happen to like about the song and what you don't like about it. They're probably two very different things.

Admittedly, hip hop has an issue with sexism, homophobia, and other issues. So does society as a whole. It was and is important for artists to mature and move past that. The Beasties have and lots of other artists have as well. Nevertheless, I'm not an essentialist on these issues and whether or not I know that sexism exists in hip hop, in the early music of the Beastie Boys, it doesn't zero out all of the other things that are good about it for me and for everyone else and I don't want to be told that it must. I'm capable of distinguishing between what I admire and what I don't admire, even within a single work or a single individual.

[bigfatlove06]

@paperdali...

Your points are cogent, logical, and (from my point of view) compelling. I appreciate the fact that you made a well articulated passionate argument without attempting to sway others toward a certain point of view by appealing to emotion rather than logic.

I'm not on anyones "side" in this matter, but I truly do understand your point of view (and possibly the view of others who feel as you do) specifically because you address the topic of sexism in general rather than making accusations toward individuals.

Some may infer that I am being snide by contrasting your approach to this dialogue, but I sincerely do not intend to say that because you have caused me to reexamine the argument that others are in any way inferior. It just so happens that I have a highly analytical mind, and your approach to the discussion has resonated with me.

Thanks for giving me something to think about.

[MCA4ever]

If they actually did everything they rapped about they would be looking like iggy pop."

LOL! God forbid :)

[MCA4ever]

[QUOTE=MCA4ever;1794648]

Nobody is saying what you claim they are saying! What you are doing is what Sigmund Freud called projection. You are projecting your strong feelings towards people who are sexist onto people that are not (or at least certainly haven't said enough for you to have any idea that they are intolerant sexists). That is disgraceful and overly defensive MCA4ever, it really is and now I'm personally offended. 1 quote from an interview and you fly off the handle accusing people of despicable things they are in no way saying. Shame on you, really. I don't live my life that way and for you and others to start throwing wild accusations around like that is really, really sad. We are talking about a quote from an interview and you are going off on a crazy rant.

What are you talking about that I am being disgraceful or overly defensive? First of all it was not "you" that quoted from the "article." I am supposed to feel disgraced because I was offended by the comment and saw no reason for it to be displayed here the way that it was? Shame on me? Crazy rant? I think if anyone is crazy or ranting here, its you. You seem to start a lot of crazy shit on here and always manage to talk your way out of it.

Tell me Brass Monk, what is the difference in what I said in post #14 and what you said in post #22, with the exception of you accusing me of being intolerant to something or other? You make it a little hard, even for my small mind, to follow you.

I think I made you look stupid and now your pissed. Your now trying to pick words from comments made by others that may make you feel like someone is taking sides and your the winner. Personally I don't care if others "side" with me. I'm not playing a game. I may not have articulated what I was trying to say as well as some others and may not have compelled anyone enough to sway them to my side... but you got the point.

[paperdali]

Nevertheless, I'm not an essentialist on these issues and whether or not I know that sexism exists in hip hop, in the early music of the Beastie Boys, it doesn't zero out all of the other things that are good about it for me and for everyone else and I don't want to be told that it must.

I never made that part of my argument, because I don't believe that, nor did I tell anyone that. Are you responding to someone else?

I think that what Jo and Brass Monk were saying (and please let know if I'm wrong, I don't want to put words in your mouths) is that knowing that their intent wasn't to be sexist jerks, but to ape on sexist jerks diffuses the sexism of the lyrics and thus they can enjoy the song both for its musical and lyrical value. That may have been a hyper-sterilized way of writing what I understood. Heh.

What *I* am saying is that since the irony was lost on most listeners, instead of Girls being heard as satire of frat-boy sexism, it was heard as a celebration and encouragement of sexism, by anyone who didn't personally know them at the time. Which is going to be pretty much 99% of your audience.

We can't unknow what we know. That their intent wasn't shitty. I can go with that whole "Road to Hell is paved with good intentions" thing here. The hurt caused by Girls doesn't go away because we now know they didn't mean it.

Your enjoyment of Girls shouldn't go away because they caused hurt.

My enjoyment of Proud Mary doesn't go away because Ike was a piece of shit, you know? Under My Thumb still sounds good, even though it's misogynist as fuck. It doesn't zero out the Stones' value as a really great rock band, it just means that they were assholes to women, once. If you're going to avoid everything sexist in the world, you're going to live in a cave, not speak to anyone, and eat whatever you can catch for dinner every night.

Acknowledging their sexist past doesn't, and shouldn't, kill anyone's love for the band. It's part of what they did, and if they hadn't, they wouldn't have made the journey to get to where they are, after all. And it wouldn't mean as much to hear them speak up, now. I keep saying that one of the most awesome things about their later denouncements of sexism is that they came from a bad place, and made good. They reached out and showed that growing, changing, and making amends to people you have hurt is powerful, not weak.

There's nowhere in anything that I've written that you could construe that I believe their past shittiness zeros out anything.

[MCA4ever]

@paperdali...

Your points are cogent, logical, and (from my point of view) compelling. I appreciate the fact that you made a well articulated passionate argument without attempting to sway others toward a certain point of view by appealing to emotion rather than logic.

I'm not on anyones "side" in this matter, but I truly do understand your point of view (and possibly the view of others who feel as you do) specifically because you address the topic of sexism in general rather than making accusations toward individuals.

Some may infer that I am being snide by contrasting your approach to this dialogue, but I sincerely do not intend to say that because you have caused me to reexamine the argument that others are in any way inferior. It just so happens that I have a highly analytical mind, and your approach to the discussion has resonated with me.

Thanks for giving me something to think about.

I can only apologize that I was not able to articulate my views as well as others. As my argument was directed at individuals here and not "in general", I guess it was difficult for you to comprehend my point of view.

And hey, whatever it takes to get your analytical mind pointed in the right direction, then mission accomplished.

Some may think that I am being a sarcastic bitch but that is not my intention.

[bigfatlove06]

I can only apologize that I was not able to articulate my views as well as others. As my argument was directed at individuals here and not "in general", I guess it was difficult for you to comprehend my point of view.

And hey, whatever it takes to get your analytical mind pointed in the right direction, then mission accomplished.

Some may conceive that I am being a sarcastic bitch but that is not my intention.

I didn't single you out. I had no problem comprehending your your point of view. Your opinion is simply not compelling to me because of the way it was presented. That doesn't mean that I believe your opinion is any less valid than anyone elses, just that I tend to dismiss arguments that are emotion based. It isn't a slam, hell, you could easily argue that it is a character flaw on my part. The post was honestly meant to praise PD, not to diminish you.

I'm OK with sarcasm. I find it more often than not entertaining.

[JohnnyChavello]

Are you responding to someone else?

No, I was responding to you. How could this have possibly devolved into a debate on sexism if the charge of sexism wasn't implied by the response to the original post? It's all over this thread.

There's nowhere in anything that I've written that you could construe that I believe their past shittiness zeros out anything.

I can construe things many different ways. You may not agree that it's a good reading, but do not underestimate my ability to construe things.

Anyway, I actually agree with about close to 99% of what I've read from both sides on this.

[MCA4ever]

I'm OK with sarcasm. I find it more often than not entertaining.

We have something in common- so do I ;)

[paperdali]

I can only apologize that I was not able to articulate my views as well as others.

Urg. To be fair, I get paid to write, so I've put a lot of practice into pulling back when something pisses me off and trying to explain things in a way that will (I hope) get my POV across without going all OMGWTFBBQ, even when quickly jotting down a reply to a thread on a message board. I don't think your reaction to the quote was wrong. I had the same initial reaction you did to the quote posted, TBH, and it was a visceral, "WTF THAT QUOTE" reaction. Which is probably how it was intended by Yauch, I would guess. Why be so over-the-top if you DON'T want people to have a visceral reaction, you know?

But I also recognize that it wasn't that Brass Monk wasn't glorifying what happened or saying, "oh hey, isn't it awesome that he said this thing." It was what he remembered, and I'd probably remember something like that as well. It's probably going to stick in my brain forever. I think that part is what got lost in translation. I don't think he was putting some huge stamp of approval on the quote.

Please don't think it's not that you're unable to articulate your views or something because of what someone else said about my posts. I get what you were saying and my back went up as well. In the end, what really bothered me was the comments about the Beastie Boys being "politically correct."

"Politically correct" is a dog whistle that people use to put down people that call out racism/sexism/assholism as being inauthentic, as if being a sexist prick is somehow keeping it real.

I tend to dismiss arguments that are emotion based

I get where you're coming from, but in my opinion, you're going to miss out on some really great arguments. Passion is emotion-based, and the best arguments are inspired by passion, but guided by logic. If you're all passion and no logic, you're probably a nonsensical mess, and all logic and no passion is about as persuasive and inspiring as a Linux user manual.

I didn't think you were calling out MCA4ever. And thanks for the kind words. I'm sort of passionate about how much their support of women has affected me. It really lifted me up in a bad time, and gave me a lot of hope about some pretty bad dudes, that maybe they could evolve as well. Sometimes I'm short on hope, so it means a thing.

I feel like I totally threadjacked.

Um, hi everybody. New here.

[pshabi]

Motherfuckers take themselves way too seriously around these parts nowadays. It's a drag. Wahhh wahhhh wahhhh. Where did you people come from? Seriously.

[paperdali]

Where did you people come from?

My mother's vag, homeslice.

[pshabi]

Any way you could squeeze back in?

I wasn't referring to you by the way. But if the shoe fits, wear it I guess.

Nevermind, just read your post. Shoe definitely fits!!!! Rock that.

[MCA4ever]

@paperdali

You have no idea how good it made me feel to hear you say that you write for a living. You said what I was trying to say but just couldn't find the right words because it was mostly emotion based.

Brass Monk I was not trying to be a preacher or superior. Some of the things that you were saying, I just could not/can not, understand where they were coming from. But I don't think I was ranting or throwing around accusations...

And to think this all started because of a misunderstood quote. I don't think the basis for what has been said here is a joke though. I have 2 girls and a son and I use the beasties all the time as examples that they can have fun and be wild and crazy but respectful of not only others but themselves too.

As I said Brass Monk, I was not judging you or accusing you of being a sexist. The more things you said, the more I began to wonder what you were trying to say. If I got the wrong impression, I do apologize.

Flo master- if you really were just posting a quote and I really did take it out of context- I apologize.

Paperdali- nice to meet you - I admire your ability to say what I couldn't.

Bigfatlove06-(y)

Pshabi- who are you calling motherfuckers?

Everyone else here ;)

[MCA4ever]

I wasn't referring to you by the way.

Inside joke? Why share it with the rest of us then?

[Brass Monk]

Brass Monk I was not trying to be a preacher or superior. Some of the things that you were saying, I just could not/can not, understand where they were coming from. But I don't think I was ranting or throwing around accusations...

And to think this all started because of a misunderstood quote. I don't think the basis for what has been said here is a joke though. I have 2 girls and a son and I use the beasties all the time as examples that they can have fun and be wild and crazy but respectful of not only others but themselves too.

As I said Brass Monk, I was not judging you or accusing you of being a sexist. The more things you said, the more I began to wonder what you were trying to say. If I got the wrong impression, I do apologize.

)

Cool :)

[WhoMoi?]

What *I* am saying is that since the irony was lost on most listeners, instead of Girls being heard as satire of frat-boy sexism, it was heard as a celebration and encouragement of sexism, by anyone who didn't personally know them at the time. Which is going to be pretty much 99% of your audience.



(y)

I wholeheartedly agree with this!!!

I believe that it would be giving most people - especially young, impressionable preteens and teenagers - way too much credit to say that they would understand that the LTI persona and lyrics were a "joke." And I honestly don't mean that in a way that insults the intelligence of the audience; it just supposes some type of insider knowledge to assume that the general population would get that this "image" was supposed to be a joke. When an audience sees/hears these guys who are projecting a certain image 100% of the time that they are making an appearance to the TV-watching, music-listening public - in their music, in music videos, in interviews, at shows, etc. - most people are going to believe that that is, in fact, what they stand for, because they aren't being exposed to anything indicating otherwise. People who knew Mike, Adam, and Adam personally obviously knew that this persona was not real; but how would the general public be able to infer that they were joking? Knowing what we have learned about them since then, it's obvious. But at the time - who knew, really, other than people who knew them prior to their She's On It/LTI days?

One might argue that their behavior and lyrics were so outrageous, people HAD to know they were joking; but it doesn't mean that people would necessarily know what parts of the "act" were exaggerated, or that they actually cared about women as people, saw them as equals, etc.

Even now, knowing that they were joking, it doesn't seem funny to me. Yes, I can now separate the music I enjoy from the lyrics that offend me; and I'm okay with doing that, because I accept their apologies, and their attempts to spread awareness about the issue of sexism have truly meant a lot to me. So I can now appreciate the LTI music for its awesome musical elements without getting perturbed by the lyrics that I find not-so-kind toward women. Most of the time, I just rap along without really thinking about the words; but I do still wince at certain lyrics and video clips from time to time.

I will say that LTI is the album I listen to the least of all their albums, and is my least favorite album of theirs, and I'm positive that the reason for that is related to this issue; even though consciously, I've made peace with the sexist lyrics because of the boys' later actions and comments on the matter, the lyrics and events surrounding the music of that album still affect my enjoyment of it (relative to their other albums) on a subconscious level, I think.

As I said previously, it's water under the bridge for me as far as my perception of the Beastie Boys and my ability to listen to LTI, but only because they have apologized for it and been such amazing advocates for appropriate treatment of women over the years since. Had they never addressed it at all, I'm honestly not sure if I would be the "superfan" of them that I am today.

This is all just giving my perspective as a female fan. I'm not looking to argue...just chiming in with my feelings and point of view on this issue, for whatever it may be worth.

I'm also not trying to make any sort of statement about the use of the quote in the original post; I perceived that as FloMaster just recalling a memorable piece of the article (and that certainly would be a memorable quote!) in order to help others know what he was talking about. I didn't perceive any ill intent on FM's part at all; but, it did make me wince to read it.

I think it's important for women to share their perceptions of this stuff in a rational manner so that guys can maybe have a better understanding of what offends us and why. Some quotes/comments/actions are blatantly sexist or misogynistic; others are more subtly so. And obviously, every individual person is different, so not all of us are going to be offended by the same things. So I think conversations like this - despite their frustrating and confusing moments - are good. (y)

[beasties#1fan]

ahhhhh not even going to get started on this thread

D:

[MCA4ever]

@whomoi?

I especially like your last paragraph. However I may have misinterpreted FM original post, I did try to start off rational. You are right, how are men suppose to know what offends us unless it is explained in a rational manner.

I find your last sentence to be especially true. I know I have learned a few things out of this craziness (y)

[WhoMoi?]

ask any woman whats thier favorite beastie song and they will undoubtedly say "girls".

This is very, really, extremely false. In fact, it's so untrue that I'm kind of hoping that you were kidding in saying that, because it offends me a little - not even as a woman, but as a music fan! :)

Not sure what women you have surveyed to come up with this assertion - but definitely not the ladies on the BBMB!
:D

[YoungRemy]

I like the parts where Yauch says reach down and fondle my balls with ya fingaz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIaa184ruWA&feature=player_embedded#!

[pshabi]

You saying you like that really offends me.

[fonky pizza]

What *I* am saying is that since the irony was lost on most listeners, instead of Girls being heard as satire of frat-boy sexism, it was heard as a celebration and encouragement of sexism, by anyone who didn't personally know them at the time. Which is going to be pretty much 99% of your audience.


I hope people are not so stupid to take things literally and that most people understand Girls being a satire of frat-boy sexism!

[FLO MASTER]

This is very, really, extremely false. In fact, it's so untrue that I'm kind of hoping that you were kidding in saying that, because it offends me a little - not even as a woman, but as a music fan! :)

Not sure what women you have surveyed to come up with this assertion - but definitely not the ladies on the BBMB!
:D


Im afraid its true. most women have said it before and most women dont even know songs from the beasties outside the LTI album. you are a die hard fan so of course you will disagree. I can make 10 calls right now to women I know and they will still say "girls" is thier favorite beastie song, including my sister.

[WhoMoi?]

I hope people are not so stupid to take things literally and that most people understand Girls being a satire of frat-boy sexism!

People are. It's not even that they're "stupid," it's that they just haven't been exposed to enough other elements of the Beastie Boys (e.g. the lyrics and interviews from BBoys later years, etc., etc...) to know that they were satirizing. I'm just not sure that those of us who are big fans can say, "it was obvious that they were just joking" with any level of objectivity, because we can't unknow what we now know about them...which is that they have apologized for those comments and lyrics, and that they recognize that women are deserving of respect, etc., etc., yadda yadda.

I know that I took it at face value at the time that it came out, but I was only 7 years old. So, I guess it'd be good to hear from people who were teenagers and older at that time to see what their perception was.

[WhoMoi?]

Im afraid its true. most women have said it before and most women dont even know songs from the beasties outside the LTI album. you are a die hard fan so of course you will disagree. I can make 10 calls right now to women I know and they will still say "girls" is thier favorite beastie song, including my sister.

Not even close on my end, and I'm the only diehard female BBoys fan that I know personally. Guess we run in different circles of women.

[Billy Corbitt]

I guess it'd be good to hear from people who were teenagers and older at that time to see what their perception was.


I was a teen then, besides the time that they lost their buddy Dave, and now, it seemed like the Beastie Boys were always joking around.

[FLO MASTER]

Not even close on my end, and I'm the only diehard female BBoys fan that I know personally. Guess we run in different circles of women.


not every person i know/meet listen to the beastie boys. most people used to reply to me "theyre still around?" which proves right there that not everyone knows much about them.

[fonky pizza]

Im afraid its true. most women have said it before and most women dont even know songs from the beasties outside the LTI album. you are a die hard fan so of course you will disagree. I can make 10 calls right now to women I know and they will still say "girls" is thier favorite beastie song, including my sister.

Sorry, wrong number:cool:

[FLO MASTER]

Sorry, wrong number:cool:


lol.....it pisses me off, too to know people out there are that oblivious to one of the greatest groups to have ever existed.

[paperdali]

Im afraid its true. most women have said it before and most women dont even know songs from the beasties outside the LTI album. you are a die hard fan so of course you will disagree. I can make 10 calls right now to women I know and they will still say "girls" is thier favorite beastie song, including my sister.

Do you think it's reasonable to equate ten women you know, with "most women?"

Shit, if this is how they get the 4 out of 5 dentists on chewing gum commercials, I'm going to have to write some letters explaining that the plural of anecdote is not data.

But after reading your post, I decided to do my own anecdata type study. I polled 31 of my female friends. Unfortunately, I don't have a sister, so I hope that doesn't make my results less relevant, here.

Here's what I learned: Seven of my female friends don't like the Beastie Boys, and therefore, had no favorite song by them. Five said Intergalactic was their favorite, six said Sabotage. Two said Shadrach, and several couldn't pick just one song, including one who said, "all of Check Your Head." I explained to her that she was fucking up my data points, but she's a lawyer, and out-argued me.

No Sleep til Brooklyn was a have of my two New Yorker friends, and only one of the 31 polled said Girls was her fave song. Maybe it was your sister! Is she an editor in Cincinnati? Anyway. The other interesting thing I learned by pulling together a bullshit anecdotal poll that actually tells me nothing other than what my friends like and not what EVERY WOMAN ON THE PLANET thinks, is that I have five female friends named Amy, and 40% of the Amys I know list Sabotage as one of their favorite songs.

So, if we use your method of statistical analysis, we can no doubt assume that 40 percent of all women named Amy will list Sabotage as their favorite song.

I suggest everyone call the Amys they know and test this out. I'm going to get started on a pie chart.

Wait wait, my friend Nora just got back to me and said, "High Plains Drifter."

I have two friends named Nora, and I'm so excited to find out if they both say it's their favorite, so that we can all know what the Noras of the world all think! Wouldn't it be awesome if we had a High Plains Drifter/Sabotage Battle Royale between the world's Amys and Noras? I'd totes pay to see that on pay-per-view or something.

[WhoMoi?]

I was a teen then, besides the time that they lost their buddy Dave, and now, it seemed like the Beastie Boys were always joking around.

Thanks. Maybe my view is a little skewed due to my age at the time. But, I guess it gives some sense of how other young and/or gullible kids might have perceived Beastie Boys at the time; maybe, but maybe not, because as paperdali said, it's just an anecdote and not a data point. I have no current plans to conduct a peer reviewed study on this or anything...no scatterplot data, bar graphs, or pie charts in the works on this end. :D

I really do appreciate everyone giving their own points of view on this. I can tell some posters (*coughyoungremypshabicough*) are kind of mocking the idea that anyone would be offended and/or are annoyed with the turn that this thread has taken, and I am sorry that it seems to have gotten "hijacked" a little. For my part, I saw that someone felt offended and just jumped in to give a little, uh - I don't know - maybe less emotive, more expository rendition of my own point of view here. Not sure that it really helped...but I do think conversations about this kinda thing are good...even if this one was a little out of place. :o

[WhoMoi?]

Sorry, wrong number:cool:
(y):)

not every person i know/meet listen to the beastie boys. most people used to reply to me "theyre still around?" which proves right there that not everyone knows much about them.
Believe me, I'm so aware of this sad fact...especially since 5/4. Ever since then, most of the people in my "real" life have been totally mystified by my sullenness. That's why I've been coming back here more lately after a years-long hiatus. :) So happy that there is this place where people "get it." At least that's one thing we can all agree on. I'm grateful to have y'all. (y)

[paperdali]

Maybe my view is a little skewed due to my age at the time.

I was 13, I think, when LTI came out, and it was a sort of rallying cry for asshole junior high boys. I wasn't a fan, then. It was just one more reason to wish I had gone to an all girls school. On the plus side, this was way before the advent of Axe cologne products. It was all Drakkar, all the time.

I have no current plans to conduct a peer reviewed study on this or anything...no scatterplot data, bar graphs, or pie charts in the works on this end.

Why not? I think this is an excellent idea. There should be a Sounds of Science thread where we all post anecdotal-data driven pie charts. I'm really boring, though, so it might not for out. :/

[MCA4ever]

(y):)


Believe me, I'm so aware of this sad fact...especially since 5/4. Ever since then, most of the people in my "real" life have been totally mystified by my sullenness. That's why I've been coming back here more lately after a years-long hiatus. So happy that there is this place where people "get it." At least that's one thing we can all agree on. I'm grateful to have y'all. (y)

I have been a forever Beastie fan although I haven't spent much time voicing that in my "grown up" life. MCA has always been the man of my dreams- don't tell my husband ;) A year ago if someone would have told me that I would be a member of their fan site, I would have bet otherwise. Why Adams death has resonated with me so and brought me here, I'm not sure. Anyway, with the exception of a few, lets say two, it's been a great experience. I like that we are all adults and even with different viewpoints on some and a heated discussion here and there, I like being here too :)

[Nicodemus]

Shut up.

[Heather_D]

Im afraid its true. most women have said it before and most women dont even know songs from the beasties outside the LTI album. you are a die hard fan so of course you will disagree. I can make 10 calls right now to women I know and they will still say "girls" is thier favorite beastie song, including my sister.

A out half of my friends (all non Beastie fans) would actually say "Brass Monkey.". The reason is that we used to go after work on Tuesday nights for dollar drink nights. The name of the place was Brass Monkey. They would close the place to that song & we'd stand in the middle singing the lyrics as loud as could.

I can say that I only really got into the music when IC came out. Yeah, I liked the singles off of PB and CYH, but IC was my first purchase. And I can tell you it was because of the angst I had at the time & I just loved the screaming. All therapeutic.

[WhoMoi?]

Why not? I think this is an excellent idea. There should be a Sounds of Science thread where we all post anecdotal-data driven pie charts. I'm really boring, though, so it might not for out. :/

I'd love to read such results, but am too lazy to conduct the research myself. Data rules my life at work...not as much interest in obtaining and analyzing it in my spare time.
FYI, there is a poll option on here for new threads, so that could be a way to gather data for your graphs and whatnot. :)

I can say that I only really got into the music when IC came out. Yeah, I liked the singles off of PB and CYH, but IC was my first purchase.
Ditto.

[FLO MASTER]

Do you think it's reasonable to equate ten women you know, with "most women?"

Shit, if this is how they get the 4 out of 5 dentists on chewing gum commercials, I'm going to have to write some letters explaining that the plural of anecdote is not data.

But after reading your post, I decided to do my own anecdata type study. I polled 31 of my female friends. Unfortunately, I don't have a sister, so I hope that doesn't make my results less relevant, here.

Here's what I learned: Seven of my female friends don't like the Beastie Boys, and therefore, had no favorite song by them. Five said Intergalactic was their favorite, six said Sabotage. Two said Shadrach, and several couldn't pick just one song, including one who said, "all of Check Your Head." I explained to her that she was fucking up my data points, but she's a lawyer, and out-argued me.

No Sleep til Brooklyn was a have of my two New Yorker friends, and only one of the 31 polled said Girls was her fave song. Maybe it was your sister! Is she an editor in Cincinnati? Anyway. The other interesting thing I learned by pulling together a bullshit anecdotal poll that actually tells me nothing other than what my friends like and not what EVERY WOMAN ON THE PLANET thinks, is that I have five female friends named Amy, and 40% of the Amys I know list Sabotage as one of their favorite songs.

So, if we use your method of statistical analysis, we can no doubt assume that 40 percent of all women named Amy will list Sabotage as their favorite song.

I suggest everyone call the Amys they know and test this out. I'm going to get started on a pie chart.

Wait wait, my friend Nora just got back to me and said, "High Plains Drifter."

I have two friends named Nora, and I'm so excited to find out if they both say it's their favorite, so that we can all know what the Noras of the world all think! Wouldn't it be awesome if we had a High Plains Drifter/Sabotage Battle Royale between the world's Amys and Noras? I'd totes pay to see that on pay-per-view or something.

everyone knows i work with artists and interact with alot of people so my credibility is impeccable.

put it this way, if its not on the radio, the average person wont know it. its as simple as that.

[fandabidoze]

Someone said on an earlier post if you ask any girl what her favourite song was and they will say "Girls"

Well im not every girl, but I am ONE girl and I can confirm that Girls is one of my favourite Beastie songs.

why?

Because I have a sense of humour.

Do I think that 17 year old Adrock really wanted a girl to do his laundry, cook and clean for him? yeah like (I would assume) most teenage boys then and now he probably did.
Do I think that "Girls" was a call to arms by the Beasties to have women rounded up and forced back into the kitchen "were they belonged" No I do not.

I think it was a teenage boy on a mission to wind people up and doing so in a humours and exaggerated way.

As a bisexual woman I can also say that the line "I asked her out she said no way, I should have probably guessed their gay" is one of the funniest on the whole album and a the signal to me that Adrock had his tongue firmly in his cheek, through the whole song and was on a wind up mission. Being a feminist didn't require me to hand in my sense of humour :):)

"girls, to do the dishes! Girls, to clean up my room! Girls, to do the laundry!"

I haven't been "hurt" by a joke yet.

[Brass Monk]

Someone said on an earlier post if you ask any girl what her favourite song was and they will say "Girls"

Well im not every girl, but I am ONE girl and I can confirm that Girls is one of my favourite Beastie songs.

why?

Because I have a sense of humour.

Do I think that 17 year old Adrock really wanted a girl to do his laundry, cook and clean for him? yeah like (I would assume) most teenage boys then and now he probably did.
Do I think that "Girls" was a call to arms by the Beasties to have women rounded up and forced back into the kitchen "were they belonged" No I do not.

I think it was a teenage boy on a mission to wind people up and doing so in a humours and exaggerated way.

As a bisexual woman I can also say that the line "I asked her out she said no way, I should have probably guessed their gay" is one of the funniest on the whole album and a the signal to me that Adrock had his tongue firmly in his cheek, through the whole song and was on a wind up mission. Being a feminist didn't require me to hand in my sense of humour :):)

"girls, to do the dishes! Girls, to clean up my room! Girls, to do the laundry!"

I haven't been "hurt" by a joke yet.

That's cool that you appreciate it for what it is and don't take it too serious

[Sir SkratchaLot]

All this and no interview? Doh!

[FLO MASTER]

I ordered the mag so hopefully it comes soon. then comes posting it on the net. :( I cant believe no one has it online. I lost it when i was seperating my collectible mags with the non collectible ones. I cant believe the madonna cover slipped by me! :eek:

[Space]

i love this thread so much with all of my heart.

[JoLovesMCA]

Girls is innocent compared to some of their other tracks, but I guess the demos don’t count since they weren’t officially released. Anyway I can’t wait for the interview!

My friends generally like the songs from Hello Nasty. ME, well Paul’s Boutique is still KING. If I picked a favorite from LTI it wouldn’t be GIRLS even though I do love that song. Mine has always been Slow and Low preferably the Check Your Head era performances with Adrock screaming So get the FUCK UP!

[silence7]

I ordered the mag so hopefully it comes soon. then comes posting it on the net. :( I cant believe no one has it online. I lost it when i was seperating my collectible mags with the non collectible ones. I cant believe the madonna cover slipped by me! :eek:

Thanks, I spent about 2 hours last night looking to buy/download this issue, and all I could come up with is a metric shit-ton of sites with the 11 page pdf of the Madonna stuff... Thought myself slightly weird cursing that I'd downloaded porn again, instead of an interview of three Jewish guys who rap.

[WhoMoi?]

Thought myself slightly weird cursing that I'd downloaded porn again, instead of an interview of three Jewish guys who rap.

:D

[MCA4ever]

..... do you actually think they smoked cracked when they were rhymin and stealing? lol!

As intense as this conversation was, a week later and I am still laughing to myself because I can't get this visual out of my head :D

You really are just livin life- again, my apologies.

[FLO MASTER]

ok, I got the magazine now!!! ive forgotten how long the interview was. they talk about how adrock and mike d lost thier virginities and other cool stuff. it will take me forever to repost it. i took a couple of picture, one of the photo of them with a stripper and another of the last part of the article in which mca tells penthouse something mike and adrock didnt want anyone to know.

[JoLovesMCA]

ok, I got the magazine now!!! ive forgotten how long the interview was. they talk about how adrock and mike d lost thier virginities and other cool stuff. it will take me forever to repost it. i took a couple of picture, one of the photo of them with a stripper and another of the last part of the article in which mca tells penthouse something mike and adrock didnt want anyone to know.

Sweet! (y)

No scanner??? Whatever works. thanks!

[FLO MASTER]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/DAVIANMASTER/Untitled-2.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/DAVIANMASTER/Untitled-3.jpg

[FLO MASTER]

yea, no scanner. havent had one in years. I rely on my camera and cell phone now. the whole entire article is full of tid bits and facts. I spent most of my teen age years buying everything with the beasties in it. glad this is back in my collection!

[Sir SkratchaLot]

I could read the second one. Can you do the whole article like that?

[MCA4ever]

FM, can u just take a pic of each page where the article appears? If your phone/camera has a flash, if you shut it off you won't have that glare.

[FLO MASTER]

I could read the second one. Can you do the whole article like that?


yes, i was thinking about doing that and hopefully someone can retype it. im trying to get a friend to repost it, she types 80 words a minute!

[Sir SkratchaLot]

Yeah, either way would be cool. That will save a lot of us from having to explain to our wives/husbands why we're ording Penthouse off eBay. "It really is for the articles!" Haha.

[MCA4ever]

Yeah, either way would be cool. That will save a lot of us from having to explain to our wives/husbands why we're ording Penthouse off eBay. "It really is for the articles!" Haha.

(y)

id really have a lot of explaining to do :)

[FLO MASTER]

Yeah, either way would be cool. That will save a lot of us from having to explain to our wives/husbands why we're ording Penthouse off eBay. "It really is for the articles!" Haha.

you can say its for madonna, too!:D

[LilTreyR]

Hey FM any luck with that article yet? No pressure, so much hype, can't wait to check it out. Also curious about the secret yauch spilled.

[FLO MASTER]

not yet, have a different "friend" over tonight and I dont think she can type too well. :(

[LilTreyR]

not yet, have a different "friend" over tonight and I dont think she can type too well. :(


Your camera phone worked well, much easier than your "friend" :D typing it.