Buzz Osborne of the Melvins

[Michelle*s_Farm]

What an asshole! (http://blogs.westword.com/backbeat/2012/09/interview_buzz_osborne_of_melvins.php?page=3)

[WhoMoi?]

Seriously. :mad:

Buzz Osbourne clearly doesn't like Beastie Boys' music - that's fine, it's not for everyone. But to go on and criticize them for being socially conscious? That's just being a total ass. Beastie Boys grew up and matured, and in doing so tried to raise some awareness about causes important to them, and actually do things to help people...whereas this guy seems to prefer to spend his time name-dropping and stating his strong opinions on musicians in a way that suggests his views should be revered as empirical fact. Sounds like a bitter douchebag to me. (n)

[Heather_D]

Weren't the Melvin's trying to set some world record recently or something? I'm not even going to read that story. But if the Melvin's are trying to set a world record- and bring attention upon themselves, what's the difference between that & bringing attention to causes one supports? Selfishness, IMO.

[WesleyOHSnaps!]

Funny to cause they were on a tribute album for them.

[Brass Monk]

Wow what a douche. Obviously this guy knows nothing about Hip Hop and should not be talking about it.

[beasties#1fan]

It's just a negative persons opinion.
who cares?

[birdfloatindown]

Buzz would be stocking grocery store shelves, had it not been for Dave Grohl giving him shout-outs.

[pshabi]

Some asshole I never heard of, from a band I don't give a shit about, comparing a shitty band that I've never heard of, to the beastie boys.....and getting pissy cause they are HOF legends and icons that will be forever remembered and he won't.

That's called being a hater folks. Fuck him up against a wall.

And you can tell him I said that shit.

[Jiberish]

I have never heard of these guys before. I read this oral history http://blogs.westword.com/backbeat/2010/08/warlock_pinchers_an_oral_histo.php

and then listened to a couple of songs on the youtubes. I like them. I mean, they suck, but I like them. Thanks Buzz!

[WhoMoi?]

But if the Melvin's are trying to set a world record- and bring attention upon themselves, what's the difference between that & bringing attention to causes one supports? Selfishness, IMO.

Yes, that's it.


Some asshole I never heard of, from a band I don't give a shit about, comparing a shitty band that I've never heard of, to the beastie boys.....and getting pissy cause they are HOF legends and icons that will be forever remembered and he won't.

That's called being a hater folks. Fuck him up against a wall.

And you can tell him I said that shit.

pshabi, your curmudgeonly comments are just so fitting and awesome for this situation. I hope that you feel free to let that special talent of yours shine in this thread. (y);)

I'll bet Buzz is just angry because Yauch copied his "Sideshow Bob" hairstyle at the MuchMusic awards awhile back: http://beastieboys.tumblr.com/post/292229743/beastie-boys-in-triple-trouble-video-segment

[MCA4ever]

Some asshole I never heard of, from a band I don't give a shit about, comparing a shitty band that I've never heard of, to the beastie boys.....and getting pissy cause they are HOF legends and icons that will be forever remembered and he won't.

That's called being a hater folks. Fuck him up against a wall.

And you can tell him I said that shit.

(y)



I'll bet Buzz is just angry because Yauch copied his "Sideshow Bob" hairstyle at the MuchMusic awards awhile back: http://beastieboys.tumblr.com/post/292229743/beastie-boys-in-triple-trouble-video-segment

:D:D

[damodafoca]

So bad to read that ! I love the Melvins, and it's probably one of the most important rock band from the 90's, great shows, great records, but this interview... :(

[JohnnyChavello]

So bad to read that ! I love the Melvins, and it's probably one of the most important rock band from the 90's, great shows, great records, but this interview... :(

Yeah, I like the Melvins a lot, too. I think it just comes down to some people not being hip hop fans and not being able to really listen to the music well. I hear so much shit from otherwise smart people about how bad hip hop is and none of it makes any goddamned sense. How often do you hear people talk about how much they hate rap and then throw out one or two specific examples of artists they dislike as proof that the entire genre is bad? No other musical genre is judged solely by the worst of what it has to offer. If someone said to you: "Jazz music is awful. It's just boring, repetitive, easy listening crap. Look at Kenny G!" you'd know they had no idea what they're talking about, but people do this with hip hop ALL THE TIME.

As far as I'm concerned, if you don't like hip hop, if you aren't a fan, if you don't know the good and the bad and how it's evolved over time, I don't care what you have to say about it. You don't know shit.

UPDATE: Listened to some of the Warlock Pinchers. They're horrible. Truly horrible. Worse than the Bloodhound Gang. It's not even hip hop.

[Knuckles]

So bad to read that ! I love the Melvins, and it's probably one of the most important rock band from the 90's, great shows, great records, but this interview... :(

exactly how I feel...

[Brass Monk]

UPDATE: Listened to some of the Warlock Pinchers. They're horrible. Truly horrible. Worse than the Bloodhound Gang. It's not even hip hop.

(y)

[Jiberish]

Yeah, I like the Melvins a lot, too. I think it just comes down to some people not being hip hop fans and not being able to really listen to the music well. I hear so much shit from otherwise smart people about how bad hip hop is and none of it makes any goddamned sense. How often do you hear people talk about how much they hate rap and then throw out one or two specific examples of artists they dislike as proof that the entire genre is bad? No other musical genre is judged solely by the worst of what it has to offer. If someone said to you: "Jazz music is awful. It's just boring, repetitive, easy listening crap. Look at Kenny G!" you'd know they had no idea what they're talking about, but people do this with hip hop ALL THE TIME.

As far as I'm concerned, if you don't like hip hop, if you aren't a fan, if you don't know the good and the bad and how it's evolved over time, I don't care what you have to say about it. You don't know shit.

UPDATE: Listened to some of the Warlock Pinchers. They're horrible. Truly horrible. Worse than the Bloodhound Gang. It's not even hip hop.

as bad as they may be, they were also fun [based off the three songs I heard]. All Buzz is saying is that they were being Beastie Boys before Beastie Boys were Beastie Boys. And he's right. Based off the timeline and the song subjects. That doesn't mean Beastie Boys ripped them off, and at the end of the day who fucking cares what Buzz from The Melvins thinks? he helped put Nirvana together and they stole their big riff from fucking BOSTON of all bands.

I'm glad he said this shit because I now know of a new [old] band who [sort of] helped shape punk rock hip hop. Also they are better than Bloodhound Gang.

[JohnnyChavello]

All Buzz is saying is that they were being Beastie Boys before Beastie Boys were Beastie Boys. And he's right.

I'm not so sure about that. First of all, that's not all he was saying. He also said the Beastie Boys are Warlock Pinchers for Dummies. He also misidentifies the Beastie Boys as some exaggerated version of the Licensed to Ill caricature. He should know better than that.

And were they Beastie Boys before the Beastie Boys? Looks like they started recording music after Licensed to Ill was released.

Anyway, it just sounds to me like Buzzo doesn't know anything about hip hop and probably doesn't even particularly like hip hop. If that's the case, his opinion on what is or isn't good hip hop means shit to me. I mean, the Warlock Pinchers sound a lot more like the Melvins than they sound like the Beasties.

[Jiberish]

I'm not so sure about that. First of all, that's not all he was saying. He also said the Beastie Boys are Warlock Pinchers for Dummies. He also misidentifies the Beastie Boys as some exaggerated version of the Licensed to Ill caricature. He should know better than that.


I think between the lines that is what he is saying. Calling them a dumbed down version of another band is at least insinuating the smart version came first. Also he calls them "PUNK ROCK" so it's not even a hip hop thing. But all I was trying to say is who cares what this fella thinks about the Beastie Boys? He obviously didn't give them a single thought past the first Ill. That's his loss not ours.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Time to set the record straight. Beastie Boys always had a social conscience. For example Yauch participated in no nukes demonstrations before he was even in a band, in part because he went to Brooklyn Friends, a Quaker school with solid values of social awareness and conscience. For Buzz to suggest that their social conscience was an act after LTI is atrocious and his ignorance of history is unfathomable. Before their hardcore days it could be argued that the Beasties had a social conscience. If anything was an 'act' it was the shadier personas developed around LTI. It is so obvious that Buzz should know better. Not passing the background checks, what a grade A moron.

[Jiberish]

Time to set the record straight. Beastie Boys always had a social conscience. For example Yauch participated in no nukes demonstrations before he was even in a band, in part because he went to Brooklyn Friends, a Quaker school with solid values of social awareness and conscience. For Buzz to suggest that their social conscience was an act after LTI is atrocious and his ignorance of history is unfathomable. Before their hardcore days it could be argued that the Beasties had a social conscience. If anything was an 'act' it was the shadier personas developed around LTI. It is so obvious that Buzz should know better. Not passing the background checks, what a grade A moron.


Or, he's not a super fan and he doesn't know them backwards and forwards like us. He shouldn't be running his mouth if he doesn't know what he's talking about. But he doesn't care, so why should we? I'm actually glad I know who the Warlocks are now. Their Morrisey song is hilarious.

[WesleyOHSnaps!]

oops I was wrong. they were on a Germs tribute album.

[JoLovesMCA]

Another nobody invisible lards ass thinks that his negative remarks about the Beastie Boys will somehow make him look cool and important. Nope.

[Micodin]

So bad to read that ! I love the Melvins, and it's probably one of the most important rock band from the 90's, great shows, great records, but this interview... :(

Melvins rock! This guy is a douche.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Melvins rock! This guy is a douche.

Melvins are great and all because Buzz is a creep does not take away from that. Now that I think back perhaps Buzz was always an asshole with a twisted sense of assuming if a band was enjoyed by the masses then the band must be flawed somehow. I used to think similarly that popularity meant that there must be something wrong with the target of interest.

I like the Warlock Pinchers as well and it is a shame more people did not like them. There were probably a variety of factors that caused that. But to diss the Beasties this way is not cool.

[Brass Monk]

as bad as they may be, they were also fun [based off the three songs I heard]. All Buzz is saying is that they were being Beastie Boys before Beastie Boys were Beastie Boys. And he's right. Based off the timeline and the song subjects. That doesn't mean Beastie Boys ripped them off, and at the end of the day who fucking cares what Buzz from The Melvins thinks? he helped put Nirvana together and they stole their big riff from fucking BOSTON of all bands.

I'm glad he said this shit because I now know of a new [old] band who [sort of] helped shape punk rock hip hop. Also they are better than Bloodhound Gang.

I checked the timeline, in addition to being worse than the Bloodhound gang, the Pinchers did not precede the Beastie Boys. That's just flatly wrong.

[Jiberish]

I checked the timeline, in addition to being worse than the Bloodhound gang, the Pinchers did not precede the Beastie Boys. That's just flatly wrong.

Well they started in 1981. Obviously Beastie Boys were doing their thing just a bit before that. From Buzz's perspective, pre-internet, pre-Beastie Fame the Pinchers were doing their thing first and/or at the same time.

I don't care anymore though. We all win.

[Jay Stone]

Does anyone really care about what this Buzz guy has to say?

[MCA4ever]

Does anyone really care about what this Buzz guy has to say?

Buzz who ;)

[yeahwho]

Some asshole I never heard of, from a band I don't give a shit about, comparing a shitty band that I've never heard of, to the beastie boys.....and getting pissy cause they are HOF legends and icons that will be forever remembered and he won't.

That's called being a hater folks. Fuck him up against a wall.

And you can tell him I said that shit.

(y)

I've heard of them, seen them live and have a few albums. But right on for you pshabi, I will tell him if I see him.


The best thing to come out of the Melvins is Matt Lukin who formed Mudhoney.

[Brass Monk]

Well they started in 1981. Obviously Beastie Boys were doing their thing just a bit before that. From Buzz's perspective, pre-internet, pre-Beastie Fame the Pinchers were doing their thing first and/or at the same time.

I don't care anymore though. We all win.

We obviously both agree that the Beastie Boys preceded them, but I think they preceded them by much more than your approximation. According to their discography, your about 6 or 7 years off. And that's the only realistic measure to go by.

I know you don't care anymore, but I just thought that should be said.

[LuciferHam]

What a douche. Kinda wish I hadn't seen Melvins live and enjoyed them now.

[Jiberish]

We obviously both agree that the Beastie Boys preceded them, but I think they preceded them by much more than your approximation. According to their discography, your about 6 or 7 years off. And that's the only realistic measure to go by.

I know you don't care anymore, but I just thought that should be said.

The oral history I linked to says they started doing their thing and playing shows in the early 80's. I'm not going to read it again to find the date. Whatever date I wrote the first time is probably accurate. rah rah Beastie Boys rule. Buzz sucks. I know. I'm sorry for trying to look at this from both sides.

You also spelled your wrong, the second time. But I'm not hear to split hairs.

I'm an asshole. There is no need to be one, but I am. sorry for that. I'm going to leave that there for prosperity's sake.

[Micodin]

You also spelled your wrong, the second time. But I'm not hear to split hairs.


Here or hear?

[Jiberish]

Here or hear?

nice catch! Like I said I am an asshole. :D

[MCA4ever]

nice catch! Like I said I am an asshole. :D

I thought you were being funny. It's still funny :D I hate when I do that :)

[Jiberish]

I'm an asshole. There is no need to be one, but I am. sorry for that. I'm going to leave that there for prosperity's sake.

I also totally meant posterity. haha, I'm an ass.

[Brass Monk]

The oral history I linked to says they started doing their thing and playing shows in the early 80's. I'm not going to read it again to find the date. Whatever date I wrote the first time is probably accurate. rah rah Beastie Boys rule. Buzz sucks. I know. I'm sorry for trying to look at this from both sides.

You also spelled your wrong, the second time. But I'm not hear to split hairs.

I'm an asshole. There is no need to be one, but I am. sorry for that. I'm going to leave that there for prosperity's sake.

Whenever a so-called Hip Hop group (which is what Buzz seems to be framing the pinchers as), especially a white one claims to come from the early 80's they damned well better have at least a couple credentials (especially when you suck as hard as the pinchers do and are from Denver of all places). These guys are lacking, I had more credibility as an 8 year old in the burbs rappin' in my bathroom mirror (I can find the date for ya on that if you want it. Every performance). You're letting (better?, lol)them take liberties with the timeline.
But who knows with a guy like Buzz Osborne thinks. He probably really hates Hip Hop (though he's too "cool" to come out and say that) and surely knows nothing about it.

[Jiberish]

Whenever a so-called Hip Hop group (which is what Buzz seems to be framing the pinchers as), especially a white one claims to come from the early 80's they damned well better have at least a couple credentials (especially when you suck as hard as the pinchers do and are from Denver of all places). These guys are lacking, I had more credibility as an 8 year old in the burbs rappin' in my bathroom mirror (I can find the date for ya on that if you want it. Every performance). You're letting (better?, lol)them take liberties with the timeline.
But who knows with a guy like Buzz Osborne thinks. He probably really hates Hip Hop (though he's too "cool" to come out and say that) and surely knows nothing about it.

Buzz calls them Punk Rock. He doesn't frame them as anything but Punk Rock. You are reading into his statement, I am taking it at face value. This is the opposite stances of our Spider-Man/Troll 2 debate.

[Bernard Goetz]

Some asshole I never heard of, from a band I don't give a shit about, comparing a shitty band that I've never heard of, to the beastie boys.....and getting pissy cause they are HOF legends and icons that will be forever remembered and he won't.

That's called being a hater folks. Fuck him up against a wall.

And you can tell him I said that shit.

Exactly my reaction, perfectly expressed.

All I ever think of when I hear the name The Melvins is that Kurt Cobain liked them and he had good taste so I tried to listen to them but they fucking sucked. And that guy's hair is the most ridiculously annoying hair ever. Imagine being friends with him - you'd constantly be thinking "Can you just get rid of that FUCKING hair, dude? You look like an asshole."

Plus, of all things, he picked Paul's Boutique to diss? Paul's Fucking Boutique? This dumbfuck should have his ears taken away from him for that shit.

[Brass Monk]

Buzz calls them Punk Rock. He doesn't frame them as anything but Punk Rock. You are reading into his statement, I am taking it at face value. This is the opposite stances of our Spider-Man/Troll 2 debate.

Well, Buzz seems to be referencing LTI (not punk rock) when talking about themes. But forget Buzz, there's no defending him.

I much preferred our Spider-Man/Troll 2 debate.

[Jiberish]

I much preferred our Spider-Man/Troll 2 debate.

Agreed. Little know fact, Tobey McGuire was originally cast as Ad-Rock in the MSN video but had to bow out due to a scheduling conflict for the equally important Warlock Pinchers retrospective all-star video Make Some More Noise [still in post-production]

[JohnnyChavello]

Agreed. Little know fact, Tobey McGuire was originally cast as Ad-Rock in the MSN video but had to bow out due to a scheduling conflict for the equally important Warlock Pinchers retrospective all-star video Make Some More Noise [still in post-production]

I see what you did there.

[WhoMoi?]

Agreed. Little know fact, Tobey McGuire was originally cast as Ad-Rock in the MSN video but had to bow out due to a scheduling conflict for the equally important Warlock Pinchers retrospective all-star video Make Some More Noise [still in post-production]

(y)
I'll definitely be holding my breath for that. ;)

[MCA4ever]

Agreed. Little know fact, Tobey McGuire was originally cast as Ad-Rock in the MSN video but had to bow out due to a scheduling conflict for the equally important Warlock Pinchers retrospective all-star video Make Some More Noise [still in post-production]

I like Elijah but I think Tobey would have made a much better Adrock- as far as look a likes go.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Since the two years are well up (http://articles.latimes.com/1994-04-27/news/mn-50966_1_beastie-boys) Adam H should 'kick' Buzz's ass for in part disrespecting Yauch by implying that for even a second the band's social consciousness was an act.

Please note: I do not want Adam to resort to physical violence against Buzz. Osborne is not worth it, although perhaps his hair and shitty attitude should be written about in a new BS 2000 track. I can almost hear it in my head.

The Scrappy (http://youtu.be/o-Ph88RrHfI)

[MC Moot]

Trying to figure out how to get a dozen eggs into a Melvins show...

[Brass Monk]

Trying to figure out how to get a dozen eggs into a Melvins show...

I think you're on to something

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Egg the man.

[MaestroDenis]

Who the fuck is Buzz Osborne?

[cypressphil]

and they at least once shared a stage - played the same day at Reading '92 (year Nirvana headlined) - saw 'em both. Melvins are ok, liked the Jello Biafra stuff particularly.

Don't take things so personal, I dont like his opinion but I'm not gonna take it personal, plenty people aint gonna have liked the BBoys, but thats their loss.

[yeahwho]

Let's just go over, sign up and let Buzz and his friends know how we feel.

themelvins.net bbs
http://www.themelvins.net/forum/index.php

[yeahwho]

The very least we can do is goof them on how politically hip they are. Some mental egging. Set a time and date we can all sign up.

[Brass Monk]

Let's just go over, sign up and let Buzz and his friends know how we feel.

themelvins.net bbs
http://www.themelvins.net/forum/index.php

Wouldn't this be really just rewarding Buzz (by getting a bunch of new members to join his forum), for being a d-bag?
I tend to think yes.

[yeahwho]

Wouldn't this be really just rewarding Buzz (by getting a bunch of new members to join his forum), for being a d-bag?
I tend to think yes.

Nope, I think it is 100% appropriate Beastie Boy behavior. Plus doesn't he deserve a reward after all of this?

I'll do it on my own.

[Chachi]

Buzz just sounds like a hater because his friends didn't become famous and the Beasties did. He says the Beasties were not a real band...well the sorecock pinchers were not real mcs. They were not from New York and could never pull off what the beasties did even with Rick Rubin. Beasties were a perfect storm at the right place at the right time . They were charasmatic and were actually funny..naturally. They were not trying hard to be funny. They were way more clever, as well as hood smart. Having a deep appreciation for the urban culture they grew up around.
This though is on some type of biter ass shit..What the fuck was buzz thinkin?? Buzz shouldn't even be speakin on what is punk...You have to live that shit to talk shit. He's just a precursor to what became your modern day hipster bitch. Tryin to be some type of elitist snob...Thats the shit punk rebelled against! Fuck hipsters and their wack ass wannabe trendsetting gimmicks..THinkin they know all of what encompases true art and music. Shallow ass uncultured narrow minded fools is what they are to me. Self important stuck up bitches who are more concerned with looking cool and being better than actually giving a fuck about the real world or trying to
change how fucked up it is.

[tjpop]

Buzz and his ridiculous quotes....

they come from someone who is in a footnote band rather than a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame fame band.

[tjpop]

Nope, I think it is 100% appropriate Beastie Boy behavior. Plus doesn't he deserve a reward after all of this?

I'll do it on my own.

(y)

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Fuck Buzz. He was always an asshole. Sometimes funny, but still an asshole.

[MCA4ever]

Buzz just sounds like a hater because his friends didn't become famous and the Beasties did. He says the Beasties were not a real band...well the sorecock pinchers were not real mcs. They were not from New York and could never pull off what the beasties did even with Rick Rubin. Beasties were a perfect storm at the right place at the right time . They were charasmatic and were actually funny..naturally. They were not trying hard to be funny. They were way more clever, as well as hood smart. Having a deep appreciation for the urban culture they grew up around.
This though is on some type of biter ass shit..What the fuck was buzz thinkin?? Buzz shouldn't even be speakin on what is punk...You have to live that shit to talk shit. He's just a precursor to what became your modern day hipster bitch. Tryin to be some type of elitist snob...Thats the shit punk rebelled against! Fuck hipsters and their wack ass wannabe trendsetting gimmicks..THinkin they know all of what encompases true art and music. Shallow ass uncultured narrow minded fools is what they are to me. Self important stuck up bitches who are more concerned with looking cool and being better than actually giving a fuck about the real world or trying to
change how fucked up it is.

Well put (y)

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Assholes such as Buzz are funny -- check out his recent thoughts on NIN and Rob Zombie. (http://www.theprp.com/2012/09/22/news/melvins-buzz-osbourne-says-tour-with-white-zombie-was-his-worst-touring-experience/) Fucker was out of order about Beastie Boys and still needs a good egging at his next live show.