New Beyonce!

[LuciferHam]

Beat's pretty dope. Produced by Hit-Boy. What ya'll reckon? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB9zg0ywP0Y

[Micodin]

I think it's the death knell to Trap.

[pshabi]

Blows, and I like a lot of shit she has done.

[Guy Incognito]

i agree with pshabi..for a change.

i quite like the beat but its just a beyonce record isnt it?

she's obviously adopted the madonna technique of using whats current or about to be current but still making the same tunes. Which i think is good in that it does introduce people to new music but is bad in that its always a bit inferior to the more authentic stuff of whatever style is appropriated if that makes sense.

Ulitmately, like madonna , this approach will fall flat when she forgets how to write a tune and runs out of ideas and end up biting beyonce on her arse . Which btw, is still brilliant.

[Micodin]

The beat is sub-par with the streak Hit-Boy has been on.

She tried to sing over a Major Lazer track on her last record and that didn't go over as well.

[LuciferHam]

You mean Run The World? Wasn't that a hit?

I still think it's a good beat. Up there with what Hit Boy's been doing but maybe not quite in the top tier. I like her pitch shifted raps, haven't really heard a female diva do it like that, breaking new ground. In a way.

[Micodin]

You mean Run The World? Wasn't that a hit?

I still think it's a good beat. Up there with what Hit Boy's been doing but maybe not quite in the top tier. I like her pitch shifted raps, haven't really heard a female diva do it like that, breaking new ground. In a way.

Run The World pretty much flopped. It didn't come close to Single Ladies numbers.

Rihanna and Nicki Minaj has been singing and rapping over Trap shit for the past year or so. Trap beats were all over both of their last records and remixes. Beyonce isn't doing anything new.

I'm a DJ, sometimes I have to play this shit. Trap will go the way of Brostep pretty soon. Not that I mind Trap, I just find it obnoxious when Pop Stars think they are breaking ground and milk the new sound/fad. Taylor Swift had Brostep drops on her last record. Puke.

[pshabi]

Wtf is brostep? Link?

Fuck, I'm not even sure I ever figured out what dubstep was!

[Guy Incognito]

i dont mind any artist adopting any style. its all out there.

[Micodin]

Wtf is brostep? Link?

Fuck, I'm not even sure I ever figured out what dubstep was!

Think Skrillex or Bassnecter. You'll find them on the YouTube. They basically took the blueprint from dubstep and added this chainsaw basslines and drops that make the ravers and frat boys go bonkers.

she's obviously adopted the madonna technique of using whats current or about to be current but still making the same tunes. Which i think is good in that it does introduce people to new music but is bad in that its always a bit inferior to the more authentic stuff of whatever style is appropriated if that makes sense.

I agree with you there.

i dont mind any artist adopting any style. its all out there.

I don't agree so much with that. Adopting a style and adding your twist to make it your own and genuine is cool. I do that. But, when you have Taylor Swift or Justin Beiber adding cheesy brostep drops in their records to ride the trend and make more cash and not respecting the music... That I have issues with.

[Guy Incognito]

I dont think that just because something is by a commercially successful artist that they did things just for the cash. If a producer has heard a certain noise or style that they want to use, there is also the possibility that they just enjoyed the sound and wanted to use it.

Sure, people write tunes for money but they all must enjoy writing and listening to all types of music.

Sure, someone has made the decision to leave a sound in as its "of the moment" and a good selling point, but that doesnt mean to say that the idea didnt come from a love of music and wanting to use a sound cos someone thought it was good.

I am trying to say that while selling records can influence decisions on style and content but ultimately some of the techniques/sounds or whatever could come from a seed of genuineness.

There's probably an easier way to say what i am on about but i dont know what it is

[Guy Incognito]

Plus as well, bieber or swift doing a dubstep track to increase audience etc is better than them just churning out the same shit that got them success, cos they could do that and still be successful, loads of muppets buy their records

[Micodin]

This conversation is exhausting me, Guy. :)

I dont think that just because something is by a commercially successful artist that they did things just for the cash. If a producer has heard a certain noise or style that they want to use, there is also the possibility that they just enjoyed the sound and wanted to use it.

But, they are not. They are using the sound and dumbing it down for the pop listeners. It's doing it a disservice and slapping the originators in the face.

My only point is (because I make music) is that I try to stay true to who I am as an artist and if I sample or go in another direction I do my best to pull it off without it sounding like I'm biting someone's style or disrespecting another genre of music. I try to help innovate the sound to another level.

If a pop star wants to start dropping huge unoriginal trap and dubstep drops into their tunes it cheapens the original art form that it came from and puts me off.

But, to each his own. I'm only known local, and I don't have Beiber money or status. But, I have my pride in my music. That's the most important thing to me.

Blah. Tired now.

[Guy Incognito]

YEah i was knackered as well.

I dabble in music making and work and i think its all their for the taking. All art is theft and all that.

I take your point about diluting but you cant stop it and it can work the other way. If One Direction made a record with a dubstep producer or whatever, it can be an introduction for the one direction fan to dubstep. Kids have got to start listening to music somewhere and if there are varied amounts of influences in that pop music then thats a good thing that kids are getting exposure to it.

I can understand about cheapening the artform but when people look back on dubstep in 20 years time, they arent going to remember the bieber dubstep hooks, they are going to remember really good dubstep.

[Micodin]

Or will they?

When I DJ and I play Under Pressure most of the idiots get excited because they think Ice Ice Baby is playing.

I dunno, Guy. We could drag this out for months. You want to pack it in?

[Guy Incognito]

Or will they?

When I DJ and I play Under Pressure most of the idiots get excited because they think Ice Ice Baby is playing.

I dunno, Guy. We could drag this out for months. You want to pack it in?

i pretty much said all i need to and i dont think we ever going to agree. But if you are djing to idiots then i dont understand that. you should love playing. I just thought you were being a bit negative and its easy to slam bieber etc.

[Micodin]

But if you are djing to idiots then i dont understand that. you should love playing.

For the record, I do not just play for just idiots.

I was using that as an example. Sometimes there will be idiots in the crowd (like any show you go to).

Making music and DJing is not only my passion its my full-time job. Maybe that's why I'm a bit of music snob.

Whatever. I felt like your stance on pop music was easy and trite.

[Guy Incognito]

Making music and DJing is not only my passion its my full-time job. Maybe that's why I'm a bit of music snob.

Whatever. I felt like your stance on pop music was easy and trite.

I'm glad you used the s word, i had thought about it but didnt want to insult you. I used to be quite against some forms of pop but now i see the enjoyment that me kids get out of it.

I guess i just see pop music as an avenue to other stuff. I do think a lot of it is soulless and geared towards money making but i just think the more influences used the better. Pop music was how i got into music and just pursued it and explored a lot.

I am glad you do what you love for a living, its something i would have loved to have done but just didnt have the belief i could until it was too late.

[Micodin]

I'm glad you used the s word, i had thought about it but didnt want to insult you. I used to be quite against some forms of pop but now i see the enjoyment that me kids get out of it.

I guess i just see pop music as an avenue to other stuff. I do think a lot of it is soulless and geared towards money making but i just think the more influences used the better. Pop music was how i got into music and just pursued it and explored a lot.

I am glad you do what you love for a living, its something i would have loved to have done but just didnt have the belief i could until it was too late.

Word! :)

I've been at it for a while and it's had it's crazy, amazing and frustrating moments.

I do think the mindset of musicians that don't make it to "pop status" can get bitter and jealous. Competition is just built in us. I try to keep my shortcomings in check. Ha.

[Micodin]

Back on top.

Now this is the shit I do like. (https://soundcloud.com/bunbtrillog/beyonce-i-been-on-remix-ft-bun-b-zro-scarface-willie-d-slim-thug-lil-keke)

[BBboy20]

Isn't her singles' music videos seem to represent decades ('40s, '60s, '80s, '90s, '00s)? Just the aesthetics, some of the sounds, and how they're shot for some seem that way.