Word to third!

[cj hood]

@MCSerch: It's official
3rd Bass first show
The island of Brooklyn
July 12
More info to come
See you soon NY

[Megalon X]

WTF is this doing in General Beastie Boys Discussion?

[Brass Monk]

Already posted this on the other thread but it bares repeating:

As late as August 2011, Pete was claiming 3rd Bass was the first "legit white rap group" which as we all know, is utter self-serving, revisionist history horseshit.

http://www.jeffpearlman.com/the-quaz...ter-pete-nice/


I only recently discovered this and find it difficult to ignore.

[Micodin]

WTF is this doing in General Beastie Boys Discussion?

Haha.

[tt5brevisited]

They call themselves 'Bass heads'?

http://www.thirdbass.net/boards/smf/index.php/topic,769.0.html

[PumiceT]

As a fan of both the Beasties and 3rd Bass, I can't help but be excited for this reunion.

[Jay Stone]

I dunno, I feel that unlike the Beasties, 3rd Bass' music has NOT aged well...

[tt5brevisited]

'Product of the environment' remix and '3rd bass theme' remix are still cool IMO.
But that's just two songs out of two albums, and remixes at that.

[Brass Monk]

As a fan of both the Beasties and 3rd Bass, I can't help but be excited for this reunion.

I just don't get how you can honestly reconcile your support for them and the fact that Pete still calls the Beastie Boys an illegitimate Hip Hop group and that 3rd Bass were the 1st "legit" white rap group. That is just an unforgivable state of spiteful ignorance.

Given that, I don't know how you, as a BBoys fan, can go out and support Pete in his reunion thing. The Beastie Boys by all accounts, by all renowned Hip Hop authorities, are 1 of the elite Hip Hop groups of all time (and easily #1 amongst the White Hip Hop groups/artists). For Pete to be that ignorant on this matter isn't just insulting to the Beastie Boys and their fans, it's insulting to Hip Hop Music in general.

[Brother McDuff]

like or dislike 3rd bass, I still dont understand why this was posted in beasties general.

i'll be sure to start creating threads in here for each new show a white rapper books. :confused:

[Bernard Goetz]

I just don't get how you can honestly reconcile your support for them and the fact that Pete still calls the Beastie Boys an illegitimate Hip Hop group and that 3rd Bass were the 1st "legit" white rap group. That is just an unforgivable state of spiteful ignorance.
The Beastie Boys by all accounts, by all renowned Hip Hop authorities, are 1 of the elite Hip Hop groups of all time (and easily #1 amongst the White Hip Hop groups/artists). For Pete to be that ignorant on this matter isn't just insulting to the Beastie Boys and their fans, it's insulting to Hip Hop Music in general.

You realize logistically you could've said all this to Yauch for doing his call-in interview with MC Serch.
http://bbs.beastieboys.com/showthread.php?t=97931

[Megalon X]

I just don't get how you can honestly reconcile your support for them and the fact that Pete still calls the Beastie Boys an illegitimate Hip Hop group and that 3rd Bass were the 1st "legit" white rap group. That is just an unforgivable state of spiteful ignorance.

Given that, I don't know how you, as a BBoys fan, can go out and support Pete in his reunion thing. The Beastie Boys by all accounts, by all renowned Hip Hop authorities, are 1 of the elite Hip Hop groups of all time (and easily #1 amongst the White Hip Hop groups/artists). For Pete to be that ignorant on this matter isn't just insulting to the Beastie Boys and their fans, it's insulting to Hip Hop Music in general.

Notice how certain people have shut the fuck up when you brought this up?

Like them or not, pretending like they're the same fucking band is disrespectful in itself since they were known as Beastie haters, and I guess Pete is still one.

[Megalon X]

like or dislike 3rd bass, I still dont understand why this was posted in beasties general.

i'll be sure to start creating threads in here for each new show a white rapper books. :confused:

Everlast is booking a show for 2016. Beasties 4 lyfe!!!!

[Bernard Goetz]

I don't think it should be posted in the Beastie forum, but somehow it's less annoying to me than when that Coka Nostra thread was posted in here.

[Micodin]

I think it's funny how people still think it's '89 in here.

Yauch and Serch's extended the olive branch on the radio show. And as far as rap beef goes this one was pretty silly considering the circumstances. No guns were pulled, no one got stabbed, no one's chain was snatched, no continuing rap disses back and forth. It was over as soon as it started.

The shit Serch and Pete said about each other after 3rd Bass broke up was nastier than the back and forth between the Beasties and 3rd Bass. And they've settled their differences.

What would Yauch do? He'd probably laugh and say get over it.

[Megalon X]

I think it's funny how people still think it's '89 in here.

Yauch and Serch's extended the olive branch on the radio show. And as far as rap beef goes this one was pretty silly considering the circumstances. No guns were pulled, no one got stabbed, no one's chain was snatched, no continuing rap disses back and forth. It was over as soon as it started.

The shit Serch and Pete said about each other after 3rd Bass broke up was nastier than the back and forth between the Beasties and 3rd Bass. And they've settled their differences.

What would Yauch do? He'd probably laugh and say get over it.

Your idol said the Beastie Boys weren't a legitimate hip hop group in extremely recent history, give it up. I'm also tired of this revisionist history bullshit. "Sons of Third Bass" wasn't a misunderstanding. They were going for the jugular on that.

I also don't give a shit what Pete and Serch said to eachother, this is BEASTIE BOYS GENERAL DISCUSSION not the 3rd Bass forum. It's great that some people are still riding 3rd Bass's jock in 2013. But you can celebrate that by doing MC Serch's dance routine in your bedroom, not pretending like they are the same band as the Beastie Boys or that Beastie fans have to kiss their asses and pretend like they are.

Yauch isn't here. No one should be speaking for him on a fucking fan forum.

[Bernard Goetz]

P.W. Botha gets the gas face.

[Micodin]

Your idol said the Beastie Boys weren't a legitimate hip hop group in extremely recent history, give it up. I'm also tired of this revisionist history bullshit. "Sons of Third Bass" wasn't a misunderstanding. They were going for the jugular on that.

I also don't give a shit what Pete and Serch said to eachother, this is BEASTIE BOYS GENERAL DISCUSSION not the 3rd Bass forum. It's great that some people are still riding 3rd Bass's jock in 2013. But you can celebrate that by doing MC Serch's dance routine in your bedroom, not pretending like they are the same band as the Beastie Boys or that Beastie fans have to kiss their asses and pretend like they are.

Yauch isn't here. No one should be speaking for him on a fucking fan forum.

Someone needs a nap.

[Brass Monk]

You realize logistically you could've said all this to Yauch for doing his call-in interview with MC Serch.
http://bbs.beastieboys.com/showthread.php?t=97931

Talking about Pete, not Serch (and you knew that).

3rd Bass fans here are trying to blur the argument here to try and distort things.
In August 2011 Pete calls the Beastie Boys an illegitimate hip hop group and proclaimed 3rd bass the first "legitimate" one. That's a fact.
Not 1989, 2011 Micodin!

It is true that I was less critical of Pete until I discovered this. But he has chosen to revise Hip Hop history to suit his own self-serving ends and as I said, that is both an insult to the Beastie Boys, their fans and Hip Hop music.

IMO, Serch has made amends over the past 15 years but that doesn't excuse his partner's stupidity.

[Brass Monk]

Notice how certain people have shut the fuck up when you brought this up?

Like them or not, pretending like they're the same fucking band is disrespectful in itself since they were known as Beastie haters, and I guess Pete is still one.

Yeah, it's comical at this point. I give a source, give the year and month of the comment and post the link. But it's simply ignored and pretended I'm pulling something from 1989 and that I'm referring to Serch.

There's really nothing that can be done (at least on a message board) if someone is just in denial.

[Micodin]

Honestly I could give a fuck. It's just humorous to see you two get excited over dumb shit. It's funny to me.

Why do you care so much about what Pete Nice said two years ago? Who cares?

As you were.

[Brass Monk]

Honestly I could give a fuck. It's just humorous to see you two get excited over dumb shit. It's funny to me.

Why do you care so much about what Pete Nice said two years ago? Who cares?

As you were.

Well as far as time is concerned with these groups, 2 years was basically yesterday.

And I told you why, more than once.

I'm not gonna apologize for taking my favorite music group seriously (on a board dedicated to that group no-less).

If you think it's funny, you're just being a trollish dick.

[Megalon X]

Honestly I could give a fuck. It's just humorous to see you two get excited over dumb shit. It's funny to me.

Why do you care so much about what Pete Nice said two years ago? Who cares?

As you were.

Pee-Wee Herman - "I know you are, but what am I?"

Maybe it wouldn't be an issue if you didn't get so fucking defensive of them whenever their names are mentioned in a forum for a group they're famous for dissing. You're the one who cares obviously.

[Micodin]

You two are cute. Did you meet on Plenty of Fish?

[cj hood]

relax noobs...this news is big! y'all get the gas face!

[Brass Monk]

You two are cute. Did you meet on Plenty of Fish?

You are obviously not interested in having a real conversation about the topic.
If you agree with Pete's very recent assertion that the Beastie Boys are an illegitimate Hip Hop group I don't know what on earth you are doing here.
And it's also clear that you know fuck-all about Hip Hop music and your opinion is more worthless than my grandmother's on this topic.

As you were.

[Megalon X]

You two are cute. Did you meet on Plenty of Fish?

I don't know. Does the Prime Minister hold his pimp cane when receiving fellatio?

[Micodin]

relax noobs...this news is big! y'all get the gas face!

Ha! They all hype.

[Brass Monk]

Ha! They all hype.

Wow. If this isn't the definition of trolling, I don't know what is.

[Micodin]

You claim I have no hip-hop knowledge and you don't value my opinion, X makes a gay joke and I'm the troll?

I'm being passive aggressive.

When you said that I'm not interested in having a real conversation about the topic, you were right. Not with you two.

If it was with McDuff, Scooby, Hood, CYP, Camo, or anyone that's been here before May '12, I'd gladly entertain it.

By the way... Megalon X & Brass Monk both joined in May '12. Coincidence? Are they same person? This is the important shit I wanna know! :)

[Megalon X]

You claim I have no hip-hop knowledge and you don't value my opinion, X makes a gay joke and I'm the troll?

I'm being passive aggressive.

When you said that I'm not interested in having a real conversation about the topic, you were right. Not with you two.

If it was with McDuff, Scooby, Hood, CYP, Camo, or anyone that's been here before May '12, I'd gladly entertain it.

By the way... Megalon X & Brass Monk both joined in May '12. Coincidence? Are they same person? This is the important shit I wanna know! :)

And your comment I was responding to wasn't a gay joke? You fucking hypocrite.

Now you're claiming we're the same person. Hilarious. Are you mentioning a bunch of other posters names to make yourself feel better?

Watch out, Brass Monk, Micodin may get us banned from the 3rd Bass forum. XD

Admitting you're being passive agressive means you caught feelings. So much for not giving a fuck.

I agree with the troll comment.

[Brass Monk]

You claim I have no hip-hop knowledge and you don't value my opinion, X makes a gay joke and I'm the troll?

I'm being passive aggressive.

When you said that I'm not interested in having a real conversation about the topic, you were right. Not with you two.

If it was with McDuff, Scooby, Hood, CYP, Camo, or anyone that's been here before May '12, I'd gladly entertain it.

By the way... Megalon X & Brass Monk both joined in May '12. Coincidence? Are they same person? This is the important shit I wanna know! :)

Gee, what happened in the Beastie Universe in May 2012 that would motivate someone to connect with other Beastie Boys fans about their thoughts and feelings about the group?

I quote an article in 2011 which has an interview with Pete Nice saying that 3rd Bass is the first legitimate White Rap Group. I posted the link, it's a fact. I din't make it up.
Either you agree with it or you don't. If you agree with that statement than yes your knowledge in regards to Hip Hop culture and history is poor. Consensus has been made on this and it is not subjective.
You 1st infer that I am pulling something from 89' and reference the Yauch/Serch interview when I was never talking about Serch.
Than you retreat to snarky comments, ducking what my original point was about Pete's comments.
So tell us, are you cool with what Pete said?
Yes or no?
(and if you don't care, why are you even bothering to comment at all?)

[Micodin]

I care as much as what Pete Nice said 2 years ago as much as I care about what 3rd Bass rapped about the Beasties in '89. It doesn't effect me.

It's hip hop. Krs-One said Roxanne was only good for steady fucking. Ice Cube said Eazy's dick smelled like MC Ren shit. LL dissed everyone. At the end of the day it's just music.

Ask Adam or Mike if they care what Pete said two years ago. I'm willing to bet they would laugh it off.

[Brass Monk]

I care as much as what Pete Nice said 2 years ago as much as I care about what 3rd Bass rapped about the Beasties in '89. It doesn't effect me.

It's hip hop. Krs-One said Roxanne was only good for steady fucking. Ice Cube said Eazy's dick smelled like MC Ren shit. LL dissed everyone. At the end of the day it's just music.

Ask Adam or Mike if they care what Pete said two years ago. I'm willing to bet they would laugh it off.

I disagree, I feel like 24 years is enough time to put things in perspective and not continuing to repeat silly nonsense. The beefs you mentioned have since been addressed by the parties involved with rational, respectful thought. Not so with Pete.

But if it doesn't mean anything to you and it's just music, I respect your right to have an opinion on it. I just wish you could have posted this comment initially when I first brought it up.

[Micodin]

But if it doesn't mean anything to you and it's just music, I respect your right to have an opinion on it. I just wish you could have posted this comment initially when I first brought it up.

Only Pete can speak for himself. Hit him up on Twitter and give him the Airing of Grievances.

Good talk.

[Brass Monk]

Good talk.

(y)

[Kid Presentable]

If Beastie Boys started as a hardcore group, doesn't that at least make them a little 'illegitimate'?

[MCScoobyT]

licensed to Ill-legitimate

the captain dropped an egg on ya, ruining your Prodigy
tee shirt

? uestlove said the Lonely Island's reminded him of LTI... so make sure you never bump the Roots or watch Fallon ever again. gotta stand up for the boys, um kay

K.I.M.ing

[MCScoobyT]

If Beastie Boys started as a hardcore group, doesn't that at least make them a little 'illegitimate'?

Dr. Dre was in World Class Wrecking Crew playing disco.... this tread is illegitimate

[Micodin]

If Beastie Boys started as a hardcore group, doesn't that at least make them a little 'illegitimate'?

Dr. Dre was in World Class Wrecking Crew playing disco.... this tread is illegitimate

:)

Well played.

[3stooges]

At the time the Cactus album came out, a comment like Pete's would not have been considered out of line. The Beasties were dissed by the vast majority of the "legit" hip hop world. The Source barely even reviewed Paul's Boutique. For the hardcore hip hop heads, the Beasties were seen as goofy jokesters who put out rap albums, whereas 3rd Bass fostered an image and sound dedicated to pure New York hip hop culture. Whether or not that made them more "legitimate" at the time is debatable, but it was a popular opinion at that time. For a couple of years. I mean, if you went to a Beastie show, it was mostly white people (post-LTI). If you went to a 3rd Bass show, it was more mixed. So there was something to it, at that particular time.

As time went on 3rd Bass fell by the wayside while the Beasties continued to put out great albums. So the perception of them at that time changed, and nowadays they are basically seen as the first great white rap group.

Pete's comments are just kind of sad, considering he is still saying that stuff in 2011. I mean, isn't he kind of a joke nowadays ? I read some article about him where he was still trying to act like he was the man driving around in a big new fancy car, flossing around, and meanwhile he owed all these people tons of money and never paid them back. He sounds sheisty. I mean I don't know the guy personally but that's how it came off in the article.

The idea of a 3rd Bass reunion is still kind of fun though. I grew up in that time, at the time that what they were doing really meant something, and I love a lot of those songs on the Cactus album. You have to admit they put it down lyrically, and a lot of the beats are just fucking dope, there's no denying.

The reunion might be a little weird, these things always are. If they did it with a live band it would be a lot better, but I seriously doubt something like that will happen, or that they will want to put that much work into it. I'm just not really into seeing people rhyme over music played on a laptop, or ipod, or even turntables any more. Get a Roots-type band to lay down the music live and then you've got something.

[Brass Monk]

At the time the Cactus album came out, a comment like Pete's would not have been considered out of line. The Beasties were dissed by the vast majority of the "legit" hip hop world. The Source barely even reviewed Paul's Boutique. For the hardcore hip hop heads, the Beasties were seen as goofy jokesters who put out rap albums, whereas 3rd Bass fostered an image and sound dedicated to pure New York hip hop culture. Whether or not that made them more "legitimate" at the time is debatable, but it was a popular opinion at that time. For a couple of years. I mean, if you went to a Beastie show, it was mostly white people (post-LTI). If you went to a 3rd Bass show, it was more mixed. So there was something to it, at that particular time.

As time went on 3rd Bass fell by the wayside while the Beasties continued to put out great albums. So the perception of them at that time changed, and nowadays they are basically seen as the first great white rap group.



I strongly disagree with this. I was there and saw it and while there were SOME (and only a few) taking shots at the BBoys, most remained in awe of LTI, it's quality and what it did for Hip Hop music and this was reflected by the record being one of the most sampled Hip Hop records of that Golden Era and all-time (If they were regarded as illegitimate this would not be the case).
Some of these samples emerged, during this time period, in records by artists such as Rakim, Big Daddy Kane and NWA amongst many others.
There is constant revisionist history in regards to 3rd Bass that even persisted to Pete Nice's obituary of MCA last year (which I mostly liked). Within it he heavily implied that the Beastie Boys only experiences performing in front of a black audience was during the Raising Hell tour which is just false. Numerous dates outside of that tour featured largely black audiences as well.
However, additionally there is the factor that Hip Hop was so vibrant and exciting during 89' that a great new group was emerging nearly every week. As a result groups like RUN DMC and the Beastie Boys were, even then, considered old and part of the past by Hip Hop fans. This should not be confused as them lacking Hip Hop credibility in any way, shape or form.
So there is virtually nothing "to it" in regards to claiming 3rd Bass is a more "legitimate" group. They are just a pimple on the Beastie's epic ass. And any slyly nuanced arguments that try to counteract that are pure bullsh*t. And Serch has fully admitted this, especially when repeatedly stating that dissing the BBoys was the worst thing he ever did in his career. The Beastie Boys are regarded as the first and greatest white Hip Hop group because that is quite simply what they were and are (and there was never at any point in time a prevailing opinion in which this was attributed to 3rd Bass).
3rd Bass was a solid group that emerged during Hip Hop's golden era. Members of the group and it's fans should be proud of this and celebrate this and not disgrace themselves by trying to inflate their importance and role in Hip Hop through revisionist history.

[bigfatlove06]

And your comment I was responding to wasn't a gay joke? You fucking hypocrite.

Now you're claiming we're the same person. Hilarious. Are you mentioning a bunch of other posters names to make yourself feel better?

Watch out, Brass Monk, Micodin may get us banned from the 3rd Bass forum. XD

Admitting you're being passive agressive means you caught feelings. So much for not giving a fuck.

I agree with the troll comment.

I took passive aggressive to mean he was fucking with you to get a response. The feelings he caught were those of continuing the discussion for the sole purpose of getting a rise out of you.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

I strongly disagree with this. I was there and saw it and while there were SOME (and only a few) taking shots at the BBoys, most remained in awe of LTI, it's quality and what it did for Hip Hop music and this was reflected by the record being one of the most sampled Hip Hop records of that Golden Era and all-time (If they were regarded as illegitimate this would not be the case).
Some of these samples emerged, during this time period, in records by artists such as Rakim, Big Daddy Kane and NWA amongst many others.
There is constant revisionist history in regards to 3rd Bass that even persisted to Pete Nice's obituary of MCA last year (which I mostly liked). Within it he heavily implied that the Beastie Boys only experiences performing in front of a black audience was during the Raising Hell tour which is just false. Numerous dates outside of that tour featured largely black audiences as well.
However, additionally there is the factor that Hip Hop was so vibrant and exciting during 89' that a great new group was emerging nearly every week. As a result groups like RUN DMC and the Beastie Boys were, even then, considered old and part of the past by Hip Hop fans. This should not be confused as them lacking Hip Hop credibility in any way, shape or form.
So there is virtually nothing "to it" in regards to claiming 3rd Bass is a more "legitimate" group. They are just a pimple on the Beastie's epic ass. And any slyly nuanced arguments that try to counteract that are pure bullsh*t. And Serch has fully admitted this, especially when repeatedly stating that dissing the BBoys was the worst thing he ever did in his career. The Beastie Boys are regarded as the first and greatest white Hip Hop group because that is quite simply what they were and are (and there was never at any point in time a prevailing opinion in which this was attributed to 3rd Bass).
3rd Bass was a solid group that emerged during Hip Hop's golden era. Members of the group and it's fans should be proud of this and celebrate this and not disgrace themselves by trying to inflate their importance and role in Hip Hop through revisionist history.

Never liked 3rd Bass, too close to mainstream pop music for me. I liked the Beastie Boys because they were alternative from day 1.

[Brass Monk]

Never liked 3rd Bass, too close to mainstream pop music for me. I liked the Beastie Boys because they were alternative from day 1.

While I agree that the BBoys didn't conform to a certain extent, they were also undeniably mainstream Hip Hop (of the day) and clearly had a kinship with groups like LL, PE and Run DMC (and their albums and sound) amongst others.

I actually bumped Brooklyn Queens quite a bit back in the day. As I said, I think 3rd Bass was a solid group in Hip Hop's golden era. But any attempt to elevate them beyond that is revisionist history, pure and simple. And it shouldn't be shocking to state that anywhere because it's just fact (and probably only shocking to 3rd Bass fans that know group members personally and are thus firmly on their knobs)

If someone wants to compare 3rd Bass to an equatable group use Everlast and House of Pain. Those 2 are far more on each other's level and thus the argument between them is for more engaging and interesting. If you need someone else equatable to them, it's Vanilla Ice. With the dance steps, snazzy threads and elaborate hair cuts 3rd Bass and Vanilla Ice are probably more similar in terms of presentation then any others you can name (although obviously 3rd Bass's music with Prince Paul's production is far superior).

[MCScoobyT]

pop goes the weasel

for hating 3rd bass for hating on the beasties you sure know a lot to much about the group

pauley shore!

[Megalon X]

I took passive aggressive to mean he was fucking with you to get a response. The feelings he caught were those of continuing the discussion for the sole purpose of getting a rise out of you.

Nope. And if you think so, you haven't read enough threads here. Micodin always gets super defensive when people talk badly of "the Third" here. If anything, it's the other way around. People pointing out the truth, that Pete is a jealous bitch who believes in the revisionist history Brass Monk referred to now and then, got a rise out of him. I'm sorry, think what you want, I own all his fucking CDs, but someone like that should not be trying to pseudo-mermoralize MCA. I don't approve of bandwagon hypocrisy self-promotion from former haters.

As for them reuniting. I wouldn't get your hopes up for too much. That might last as long as the ATCQ reunion. If those two could get along, I'm pretty sure they would have tried to do that to make more money instead of doing radio shows or being sued over baseball cards or whatever they have been doing for the past 20 years.

[3stooges]

I strongly disagree with this. I was there and saw it and while there were SOME (and only a few) taking shots at the BBoys, most remained in awe of LTI, it's quality and what it did for Hip Hop music and this was reflected by the record being one of the most sampled Hip Hop records of that Golden Era and all-time (If they were regarded as illegitimate this would not be the case).
Some of these samples emerged, during this time period, in records by artists such as Rakim, Big Daddy Kane and NWA amongst many others.
There is constant revisionist history in regards to 3rd Bass that even persisted to Pete Nice's obituary of MCA last year (which I mostly liked). Within it he heavily implied that the Beastie Boys only experiences performing in front of a black audience was during the Raising Hell tour which is just false. Numerous dates outside of that tour featured largely black audiences as well.
However, additionally there is the factor that Hip Hop was so vibrant and exciting during 89' that a great new group was emerging nearly every week. As a result groups like RUN DMC and the Beastie Boys were, even then, considered old and part of the past by Hip Hop fans. This should not be confused as them lacking Hip Hop credibility in any way, shape or form.
So there is virtually nothing "to it" in regards to claiming 3rd Bass is a more "legitimate" group. They are just a pimple on the Beastie's epic ass. And any slyly nuanced arguments that try to counteract that are pure bullsh*t. And Serch has fully admitted this, especially when repeatedly stating that dissing the BBoys was the worst thing he ever did in his career. The Beastie Boys are regarded as the first and greatest white Hip Hop group because that is quite simply what they were and are (and there was never at any point in time a prevailing opinion in which this was attributed to 3rd Bass).
3rd Bass was a solid group that emerged during Hip Hop's golden era. Members of the group and it's fans should be proud of this and celebrate this and not disgrace themselves by trying to inflate their importance and role in Hip Hop through revisionist history.

I'm not talking about LTI era. 3rd Bass wasn't out yet then. I'm talking Paul's Boutique. Most hip hop heads were not listening to it. I was in the clubs and at the parties dude. It was not getting played. But Steppin' to the AM and Gas Face were. That's just how it was, the Beasties were not considered "cool" (by the hip hop crowd anyway) for a minute. You have understand, when they left Def Jam and went to LA, it was a weird thing. It was like Def Jam and Russell wanted them to fail and wanted to turn their audience away from them. And it happened. PB was considered a commercial failure at the time. We all knew it was an incredible work of art, but as far as airplay and sales, it was way way below expectations. The numbers tell the story.

Now this was only for a minute. Once CYH came out, the consciousness had changed, hip hop and rock were mixing a lot more, and people were ready for it. But late 89, 90, 91, they had become more of an underground thing at that point. This was before the internet, when being underground was really underground.

[Lyman Zerga]

pete nice's comment is ridiculous but i wouldnt pudding my pants over it

[Megalon X]

I'm not talking about LTI era. 3rd Bass wasn't out yet then. I'm talking Paul's Boutique. Most hip hop heads were not listening to it. I was in the clubs and at the parties dude. It was not getting played. But Steppin' to the AM and Gas Face were. That's just how it was, the Beasties were not considered "cool" (by the hip hop crowd anyway) for a minute. You have understand, when they left Def Jam and went to LA, it was a weird thing. It was like Def Jam and Russell wanted them to fail and wanted to turn their audience away from them. And it happened. PB was considered a commercial failure at the time. We all knew it was an incredible work of art, but as far as airplay and sales, it was way way below expectations. The numbers tell the story.

Now this was only for a minute. Once CYH came out, the consciousness had changed, hip hop and rock were mixing a lot more, and people were ready for it. But late 89, 90, 91, they had become more of an underground thing at that point. This was before the internet, when being underground was really underground.

You're buying into this revisionist storyline of theirs. Paul's went gold in 89'. That was not a flop by hip hop standards. What 3rd Bass record sold more than that? Oh yeah, none of their records. I agree with 3rd Bass being a pimple on their asses. To talk about that album that way now, after it has become one of the top albums of any genre of all time, is horse shit. Pete sounds like Don Quixote trying to relive something that never really was.

[Brass Monk]

I'm not talking about LTI era. 3rd Bass wasn't out yet then. I'm talking Paul's Boutique. Most hip hop heads were not listening to it. I was in the clubs and at the parties dude. It was not getting played. But Steppin' to the AM and Gas Face were. That's just how it was, the Beasties were not considered "cool" (by the hip hop crowd anyway) for a minute. You have understand, when they left Def Jam and went to LA, it was a weird thing. It was like Def Jam and Russell wanted them to fail and wanted to turn their audience away from them. And it happened. PB was considered a commercial failure at the time. We all knew it was an incredible work of art, but as far as airplay and sales, it was way way below expectations. The numbers tell the story.

Now this was only for a minute. Once CYH came out, the consciousness had changed, hip hop and rock were mixing a lot more, and people were ready for it. But late 89, 90, 91, they had become more of an underground thing at that point. This was before the internet, when being underground was really underground.

I hear ya. But it is important to note that the BBoys were going into the 2nd act of their careers at that time (with all the complications of leaving Def Jam) while 3rd Bass was at the beginning of theirs. It is pretty much cherry picking to single out that period (for the sake of Beastie Boys & 3rd Bass comparisons) and say they were more mainstream Hip Hop and then deduce that they ultimately had more credibility or however you want to say it. That argument could easily be flipped to a few years later when House of Pain came out and 3rd Bass was falling off in comparison to them.

The only fair way to compare is to look at their influence and credibility across the 1st acts of their careers, the 2nd acts and so on. Comparing 2 groups at 2 different developmental stages doesn't give any insights whatsoever.

Also, I know pretty much everyone here knows this, but it might bare repeating here. The "legitimacy" of White Rappers has always been based upon what crews and/or groups they are associated with that sort of sponsors them. Again, as we know the Beastie Boys had Run DMC, LL & Def Jam, 3rd Bass had Def Jam, Prince Paul and the Bomb Squad, Everlast/House of Pain had Ice-T & Soul Assassins and Eminem had Dr. Dre (these are at least the "major" White Hip Hop groups/artists). There really aren't shades of legitimacy. Either you got it or you don't. Which is why arguing against someone's legitimacy when they clearly have it (and they preceded you no-less) is just silly.

[Brother McDuff]

never been a 3rd bass fan, not familiar with pete's smack-talk, but I read his requiem for MCA and it was all class. sounded honest and respectful. and he even states himself that the the bboys broke down the street barrier, whilst recognizing that some outlets credited 3rd bass for that.

i dont know how recent his remarks arguing 3rd bass' legitimacy over the bboys' were, but according to that article he seems to get it right.

[pm0ney]

I care as much as what Pete Nice said 2 years ago as much as I care about what 3rd Bass rapped about the Beasties in '89. It doesn't effect me.

It's hip hop. Krs-One said Roxanne was only good for steady fucking.

Which is pretty abhorrent considering Shante was 14 years old when all that Queens/Bronx stuff was going down.

As crazy as it sounds, I'll take Shante over KRS any day of the week. She was so dope. Incredible freestyler. See if you can find the New Music Seminar 1985 mp3 zip file floating around on the Internet. I know it's out there somewhere I have it on my comp from years and years ago.

[pm0ney]

And just to touch on the topic at hand, 3rd Bass were as hypocritical as any other rap crew they tried to diss. They record "Sons" and then sample MCA in the hook for "AM." They diss Ice and Hammer (ironically) for sampling pop records while rapping over the loop for Peter Gabriel's "Sledgehammer", the most played music video in the history of MTV.

They talked about black people and the struggle while dancing around in horribly dated genie pants and walking around with a cane like some wannabe mob boss. Sorry dude you were an english major at Columbia. Hindsight is 20/20 and if we're being real they come off as one of the most dated, hackneyed groups in rap history, skills on the mic be damned. People still dress like the Beasties did when LTI dropped. Pete's been choking to death on the same sour grapes for almost three decades now. I'm surprised he hasn't keeled over yet.

[abbott]

just the fact I played the videos for my kids says something about my opinion.

[Megalon X]

Serch better be sporting the high top fade for the reunion. That was another first for white-black relations. A civil rights milestone for sure.

[JohnnyChavello]

3rd Bass is the first white hip hop group to legitimately remind me of Color Me Badd.

[POMP]

3rd Bass is the first white hip hop group to legitimately remind me of Color Me Badd.

Bahhahahaha! The only thing is Color Me Badd did something 3rd Bass never could... They went multi-platinum.

[Brother McDuff]

3rd Bass is the first white hip hop group to legitimately remind me of Color Me Badd.


holy shit. you're spot on. you just tapped on some crazy subconscious shit for me. so right, I've always categorized them in that stable myself, never even realized it.

[cj hood]

I got my tix!

[pm0ney]

Dream onnnnn dream awayyy, I think I'm gonna have to staaaaay staaaaaaaaay foreverrrrr.

[ClarenceAlabama]

MC Serch new daytime talk show is getting higher ratings than Maury... WTF!

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2014/01/07/solid-premiere-for-test-run-of-syndicated-talk-show-serch/227352/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Tvbythenumbers+%28TVbytheNumb ers%29

[Megalon X]

^ This is for Beastie Boys discussion. Can you people please post this shit in the section it belongs in.

[pm0ney]

^ This is for Beastie Boys discussion. Can you people please post this shit in the section it belongs in.

Ok forum police.

[Megalon X]

OK dick rider who thinks all white rappers are the same people.

[pm0ney]

Huh?

Edit: oh, because I'm talking about other white rappers on a Beastie Boys message board. But the topics about 3rd Bass. So shouldn't your beef be with whoever started the thread? I'm too lazy to check who started it. Whoever you are you must answer to THE MEGALON!!!

[Megalon X]

There's a sub-forum here called Other Music, douche nozzle:

http://bbs.beastieboys.com/forumdisplay.php?f=11

But yeah, it means you're a real respectful Beasties fan when you pretend random unrelated posts about a group that started their career by trashing them and their parents belong in the discussion forum that is only supposed to be about their music. (n)

Start a new thread there, and stop bumping the 3rd Bass threads that don't belong in here.

[Lyman Zerga]

or eminem crap

[camo]

Has anyone seen Vanilla Ice lately?

[YoungRemy]

of the iconic rap group White Boys, do you guys prefer

Coolin in the Crib (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DflZi3FtWQ)

Pump Me Up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJbf-bF7ElU)

or

On a Mission (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFCQ6sMIg4I)

?

[Megalon X]

of the iconic rap group White Boys, do you guys prefer

Coolin in the Crib (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DflZi3FtWQ)

Pump Me Up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJbf-bF7ElU)

or

On a Mission (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFCQ6sMIg4I)

?

True story, MC Serch tried to join this group, but he was rejected for being too white for them.

[3stooges]

of the iconic rap group White Boys, do you guys prefer

Coolin in the Crib (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DflZi3FtWQ)

Pump Me Up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJbf-bF7ElU)

or

On a Mission (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFCQ6sMIg4I)

?

That's funny, I remember seeing that album in the store when it was first out, but I never bought it, or heard it, cause just looking at it I was like "there is no way this can be any good."

But hearing it now, yeah, it's corny, but it's actually not as bad as a lot of stuff that was out then that was a lot more popular. There were some people that actually had hits that had no business making music. Not that these guys are dope or anything but there was stuff that was a lot worse.

[tt5brevisited]

That's funny, I remember seeing that album in the store when it was first out, but I never bought it, or heard it, cause just looking at it I was like "there is no way this can be any good."

But hearing it now, yeah, it's corny, but it's actually not as bad as a lot of stuff that was out then that was a lot more popular. There were some people that actually had hits that had no business making music. Not that these guys are dope or anything but there was stuff that was a lot worse.

T-Ray was one of them.
He worked with Serch and has a TV show as well now.
He did one of the 'Alive' remixes on the 'Video Anthology' DVD. He produced A LOT of stuff back then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Ray#Discography

[3stooges]

T-Ray was one of them.
He worked with Serch and has a TV show as well now.
He did one of the 'Alive' remixes on the 'Video Anthology' DVD. He produced A LOT of stuff back then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Ray#Discography


Oh well look at that. I had no idea any of those guys was successful. Yeah I remember his name going back to the Funkdoobiest stuff (I was on the Buzztone street team for a second). Look at that list, that dude is a heavy hitter. He has had quite a career. Well you learn something new every day.