VMA's- MTV commercials- no sleep

[beasties#1fan]

Have you guys seen the multiple different commercials that have No sleep till Brooklyn playing for the "Brooklyn music awards" or whatever it is. I know the Miley Cyrus one is like huge- but I really dislike her and strutting around to a beastie song breaks my heart.



I'm livid right now because i thought the beasties didnt have their music on commercials.. And they're realllllyyyyyy pushing the limits with all the commercials playing their song.

I'm curious- what do you guys think of this?

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Have you guys seen the multiple different commercials that have No sleep till Brooklyn playing for the "Brooklyn music awards" or whatever it is. I know the Miley Cyrus one is like huge- but I really dislike her and strutting around to a beastie song breaks my heart.



I'm livid right now because i thought the beasties didnt have their music on commercials.. And they're realllllyyyyyy pushing the limits with all the commercials playing their song.

I'm curious- what do you guys think of this?

I agree with MCA that one should not allow their music to sell commercial products (e.g., a can of coke). However, if I have read your post correctly this is not the same thing in this case. The music is part of a promo clip for a music awards show. This is different right?

[pshabi]

I'm curious- what do you guys think of this?

Don't care. If we're lucky, enough kids hear the song and it brings us the next #1 fan.

Does MTV pay to use songs in promos like this?

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Don't care. If we're lucky, enough kids hear the song and it brings us the next #1 fan.

Does MTV pay to use songs in promos like this?

Dunno if MTV pays. I presume not
because award shows are mostly about promoting
artists. Most artists should be down with that :)

[beasties#1fan]

Yeah that's the thing- MTV has to get permission from the artist.. So I guess the beasties approved it? It just doesn't seem right. Here's a link to one of the commercials.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_QByzYBI1nw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D_QByzYBI1nw

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Yeah that's the thing- MTV has to get permission from the artist.. So I guess the beasties approved it? It just doesn't seem right. Here's a link to one of the commercials.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_QByzYBI1nw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D_QByzYBI1nw

I agree, it is strange. Weird to see the song associated with Miley Cyrus. Doubt the band gave its consent for the song to be used that way. Although perhaps they (or Def Jam) gave consent for the song to be used because the show is to be in Brooklyn. It is not an endorsement of Miley Cyrus -- or I do not perceive it to be.

[pm0ney]

It is unreal to me the things people complain about. I saw the commercials and thought they were great. It sounds as fresh as anything on an MTV channel has in years.

Seriously, find something else to complain about. A Beastie Boys song from 1986 is being used to promote a music awards show in 2013, twenty seven years after it was released. Would you rather have them relegated to the $.99 bargain basement where no one ever has to hear them again along with 99.9% of the rest of the music that was released in 1986?

By the way, Miley Cyrus is really hot.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

It is unreal to me the things people complain about. I saw the commercials and thought they were great. It sounds as fresh as anything on an MTV channel has in years.

Seriously, find something else to complain about. A Beastie Boys song from 1986 is promoting a music awards show in 2013. Would you rather have them relegated to the $.99 bargain basement with 99.9% of the rest of the music that was released in 1986?

I am happy the track is still fresh for the young folks. I must be completely out of touch I did not realize that Miley Cyrus was Billy Ray Cyrus' 20-year old daughter!

[cj hood]

if mtv really wanted to stay true to the game they would have hired the cage girls from the LTI tour to dance...

[Micodin]

if mtv really wanted to stay true to the game they would have hired the cage girls from the LTI tour to dance...

Or two guys on opposite end of the stage tossing budweiser's at the three MC's.

[abbott]

When I saw this the first time I liked it.

[MCScoobyT]

I think Def Jam owns the rights to No Sleep, and the Beasties don't get any say on how Def Jam uses the ITL stuff.

[JohnnyChavello]

Def Jam owns the master recording. It looks like Def Jam and the Beastie Boys jointly own the composition, which means either can grant non-exclusive licenses for things like this without approval as long as they pay. I'll bet MTV licensed this from Def Jam.

[beasties#1fan]

I think Def Jam owns the rights to No Sleep, and the Beasties don't get any say on how Def Jam uses the ITL stuff.

Makes sense. Thats the answer I was looking for


Thanks :)

[beasties#1fan]

By the way, Miley Cyrus is really hot.

and thats why I cant take you seriously

[Kid Presentable]

Got names like Billy Ray.

[pm0ney]

and thats why I cant take you seriously

Because I find a member of the opposite sex attractive? Yeah, let's all stop taking people seriously who find other human beings attractive. That'd be a really great world to live in. Asexual cyborgs such as yourself talking to a wall all day.

Thanks for paying attention to my other points which were well spoken and thought out. Oh wait, you didn't because you only read/comprehend what you feel like when it's convenient for you.

[WesleyOHSnaps!]

MTV has used beastie tracks in plenty of their commercials. I was always under the impression that if it was played on their station once they could use it. Just like radio stations with radio commercials for the station itself. I may be wrong, but this isn't the first time MTV has used a beastie track for a commercial.

[JoLovesMCA]

I absolutely hate Miley Cyrus or whatever her name is....BUT hey if they are playing the Beasties then great. What doesn't it matter anymore if they do it or not anyway? After MCA passed I was hung up over them doing some tribute but I don't care anymore. So if they play their music on award shows from time to time then fine by me.

[beasties#1fan]

Because I find a member of the opposite sex attractive? Yeah, let's all stop taking people seriously who find other human beings attractive. That'd be a really great world to live in. Asexual cyborgs such as yourself talking to a wall all day.

Thanks for paying attention to my other points which were well spoken and thought out. Oh wait, you didn't because you only read/comprehend what you feel like when it's convenient for you.

Your "other points"? I wouldn't consider those points I would consider it nagging. And it's not the fact that you find someone from the opposite sex attractive LOL, it's WHO of the opposite sex you find attractive, like trashy miley Cyrus who tried making a beastie song a stripping song.
But I could care less man, don't get butt hurt because I can't take you seriously, just move on.

[Brass Monk]

Yeah that's the thing- MTV has to get permission from the artist.. So I guess the beasties approved it? It just doesn't seem right. Here's a link to one of the commercials.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_QByzYBI1nw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D_QByzYBI1nw

Why doesn't it seem right? The Beastie Boys' music has been used in these kinds of promotional stuff (especially for MTV) since they hit the scene in the mid 80's.

As far as feeling offended by Miley strutting around to a Beastie track, I also don't get it. Busta Rhymes did a collabo with Justin Beiber and Jay Z did a collabo (and a whole tour) with Justin Timberlake. Those things are real things to be annoyed about if you are a Busta or Jay fan. If Miley actually collaborated with the BBoys on a track, I would share your sentiments.

But this? I just think it's cool that a younger music fan may get put onto the BBoys because of this.

[MCScoobyT]

while we are on the subject... there will be no additional MCA tribute at this years VMA's, but you will see miley. they aren't playing the song because it's Beasties but only because it fits their theme about have the show in brooklyn

[Brass Monk]

while we are on the subject... there will be no additional MCA tribute at this years VMA's, but you will see miley. they aren't playing the song because it's Beasties but only because it fits their theme about have the show in brooklyn

They are playing the song because it's a good song and it fits their theme.
What more reason do they need?

(And btw, Mtv has been huge Beastie Boys boosters since 85'. And they paid their respects in numerous ways when Yauch passed.)

[MCScoobyT]

^word. I'm with ya.

Certain heads just keep saying they need to do something more at this years brooklyn vma's and i just don't see it happening

[abbott]

I thought this shit was sweet and was like "hell yes"

I can't imagine thinking anything other than this is cool as shit.

Even if your not a fan of the people in it, I say you should love it.

I mean wtf, I know you all love Party in the USA.

[WesleyOHSnaps!]

Jay Z did a collabo (and a whole tour) with Justin Timberlake. Those things are real things to be annoyed about if you are a Busta or Jay fan. If Miley actually collaborated with the BBoys on a track, I would share your sentiments.

I was ok with that collab

[POMP]

Which association is worse, Miley Cyrus or Yoko Ono?

I vote Yoko.

I thought the MTV promo was a little something cool that came from a network that has sucked for so many years.

[JohnnyChavello]

The first two Plastic Ono Band albums are masterpieces, so she has that going for her.

[YoungRemy]

associating with Sean and Yoko Lennon means you are associated with the legacy of The Beatles.

associating with Miley Cyrus means you are associated with the legacy of The Achy Breaky Heart.

is that really a question?

yeah John Lennon's Plastic Ono Band album is indeed a masterpiece and one of my favorite post Beatles breakup solo albums ever.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Okay: Beastie fans that like Cyrus better than Yoko, all line up to one side with the cage dancers and beers; and the Beastie fans who like Yoko better than Cyrus line up with our weapons of choice (harpoons and martinis). Now let's see who will win this dance contest.

[pm0ney]

Your "other points"? I wouldn't consider those points I would consider it nagging. And it's not the fact that you find someone from the opposite sex attractive LOL, it's WHO of the opposite sex you find attractive, like trashy miley Cyrus who tried making a beastie song a stripping song.
But I could care less man, don't get butt hurt because I can't take you seriously, just move on.

Yeah, I couldn't care less as well. I just like to mix it up a little bit. It's fun to break balls and be condescending on the internet. We all have our vices.

She's still really hot, by the way.

[MCScoobyT]

don't get butt hurt because I can't take you seriously, just move on.

Yay! you finally figured out how things work here!!!

[Burnout18]

So do you think mike and Adam show up to the awards?

[beasties#1fan]

Why doesn't it seem right?.

I actually agree with Scooby on this one (setting all our past aside)- I think they're just using the song because it fits the theme, and who doesnt like No Sleep?
However- I'm just saying I dislike it because all these celeb's i hate (katy perry, miley cyrus,etc.) are having all these commercials with the beasties song...in my eyes, they aren't worthy to "strut out" to a bboys jam.

[Brass Monk]

I actually agree with Scooby on this one (setting all our past aside)- I think they're just using the song because it fits the theme, and who doesnt like No Sleep?
However- I'm just saying I dislike it because all these celeb's i hate (katy perry, miley cyrus,etc.) are having all these commercials with the beasties song...in my eyes, they aren't worthy to "strut out" to a bboys jam.

I think we agree that the song is good and it fits the theme (the same criteria MTV would use for anything else, regardless of the artist).

I just don't see a real "association" with those artists if they are just "strutting out" to it. But I get where you're coming from......

[kll]

I get excited every time I see these commercials...

Still one of the best song beginnings ever...

[Lyman Zerga]

i agree that the beasties and those glitter popsters dont go well together

im gonna shoot my tv if justin bieber jumps on stage and covers a beastie song

[Michelle*s_Farm]

i agree that the beasties and those glitter popsters dont go well together

im gonna shoot my tv if justin bieber jumps on stage and covers a beastie song

glitter popsters suck moose-!"£@%^&

[YoungRemy]

So do you think mike and Adam show up to the awards?

i don't.

[Sir SkratchaLot]

MTV has used beastie tracks in plenty of their commercials. I was always under the impression that if it was played on their station once they could use it. Just like radio stations with radio commercials for the station itself. I may be wrong, but this isn't the first time MTV has used a beastie track for a commercial.

My impression is that MTV has the rights to play certain music in it's broadcasts. It may be in the original agreements where artists had videos aired on MTV. The reason I say this is because of the show "The State" (awesome show by the way). The State used a ton of popular music when it aired in the early 90s. When they released The State on DVD a few years back, they had to remove most of the music because they couldn't get the rights cleared. So, from that, I got the impression that MTV has permission to use certain music for broadcast purposes (probably for most anything they want) but that they cannot repackage and sell the music down the road.

[JohnnyChavello]

My impression is that MTV has the rights to play certain music in it's broadcasts. It may be in the original agreements where artists had videos aired on MTV. The reason I say this is because of the show "The State" (awesome show by the way). The State used a ton of popular music when it aired in the early 90s. When they released The State on DVD a few years back, they had to remove most of the music because they couldn't get the rights cleared. So, from that, I got the impression that MTV has permission to use certain music for broadcast purposes (probably for most anything they want) but that they cannot repackage and sell the music down the road.

They have blanket licenses and per program licenses that cover the performance of music over the air and on programming that's in the ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC repertoire, but they'd technically need a synch license to create these commercials. Maybe they still don't do it and it's standard not to license for over the air broadcast of these kinds of derivative uses (SNL got into a dustup over a sample used in a Lonely Island skit and they claimed it was ephemeral and covered by their agreements - it wasn't), but I don't think they have a standing license to create non-programming, commercial advertisements using all of the music that's ever aired on MTV.

[JoLovesMCA]

i agree that the beasties and those glitter popsters dont go well together

im gonna shoot my tv if justin bieber jumps on stage and covers a beastie song


I think I will join you. I don’t watch these shows anymore so whatever damage they do I don't wanna know. Play the song in a Mtv commercial is one thing. One of these stupid popstars performing it is another. And I highly doubt Mike and Adam would never attend an event like this. They hadn't in years anyway...

[Brass Monk]

Just a reminder:

The Beastie Boys were a BIG-TIME MTV group. Some of the comments here seem to suggest an opinion that the BBoys were a group that existed outside of MTV/VMA's and that they considered the network and it's award show beneath them. The truth is the opposite. It's true that most, if not all, of the artists at this year's VMA's are garbage. However, it is also true that many of the VMA's the Beastie Boys attended in the past, were also plagued by terrible artists (particularly the late 90's and after).

I could totally see Mike and Adam attending this year's VMA's. They are a bit old for it now, but I can see them doing it just to ch-check it out.
After all, they have been a part of it almost since the VMA's began.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Just a reminder:

The Beastie Boys were a BIG-TIME MTV group. Some of the comments here seem to suggest an opinion that the BBoys were a group that existed outside of MTV/VMA's and that they considered the network and it's award show beneath them. The truth is the opposite. It's true that most, if not all, of the artists at this year's VMA's are garbage. However, it is also true that many of the VMA's the Beastie Boys attended in the past, were also plagued by terrible artists (particularly the late 90's and after).

I could totally see Mike and Adam attending this year's VMA's. They are a bit old for it now, but I can see them doing it just to ch-check it out.
After all, they have been a part of it almost since the VMA's began.

Can't get much more MTV than this Beastie Spring Break Promo clip (http://youtu.be/TmDlQJI0AkE) ;)

[JoLovesMCA]

Just a reminder:

The Beastie Boys were a BIG-TIME MTV group. Some of the comments here seem to suggest an opinion that the BBoys were a group that existed outside of MTV/VMA's and that they considered the network and it's award show beneath them. The truth is the opposite. It's true that most, if not all, of the artists at this year's VMA's are garbage. However, it is also true that many of the VMA's the Beastie Boys attended in the past, were also plagued by terrible artists (particularly the late 90's and after).

I could totally see Mike and Adam attending this year's VMA's. They are a bit old for it now, but I can see them doing it just to ch-check it out.
After all, they have been a part of it almost since the VMA's began.

Okay you are right.... the Beasties did play a huge part in MTV's success, and yes we had terrible artists back then too. My problem is simple. I just hate today's artists more... I can't sit through a show with Miley Cyrus, Katy Perry, Kanye West, Chris Brown, Bruno Mars, One Direction and those 20 dozen pop country bands. And I don't think Adrock or Mike D could either. In the 90's I don't know I just loved it. Is it just an age thing? Or maybe it's a mainstream thing because if I did like mainstream artists I guess I would be tuning in!

Yeah and that Spring Break clip wouldn't be hosted by the Beastie Boys, it would be the Kardashians.

I'm not that bitter. It is what it is. Music changes. Oh well.

I miss Beasties.

[Brass Monk]

Okay you are right.... the Beasties did play a huge part in MTV's success, and yes we had terrible artists back then too. My problem is simple. I just hate today's artists more... I can't sit through a show with Miley Cyrus, Katy Perry, Kanye West, Chris Brown, Bruno Mars, One Direction and those 20 dozen pop country bands. And I don't think Adrock or Mike D could either. In the 90's I don't know I just loved it. Is it just an age thing? Or maybe it's a mainstream thing because if I did like mainstream artists I guess I would be tuning in!

Yeah and that Spring Break clip wouldn't be hosted by the Beastie Boys, it would be the Kardashians.

I'm not that bitter. It is what it is. Music changes. Oh well.

I miss Beasties.

As far as Kenye West and the BBoys is concerned, I think they are good with him. There's this:

http://www.popscreen.com/p/MTAwNzIxMzIz/Amazoncom-Kanye-West-And-Beastie-Boys-Autographed-Signed-reprint-

I'm not a big Kanye fan, but I consider him a credible artist (he has production talent). I also think Katy Perry is OK for her genre (despite the fact that I utterly loathe her genre). But yeah, it's almost all garbage now.

I also agree with you that the 90's were good, at least the early and mid-90's. Once lame korn biscuit metal-rap and boy bands started to take over and Hip Hop started to stagnate in the late 90's, I would argue it was about as bad as it is now.

[YoungRemy]

as much as I hate that every song on pop radio right now is either Bruno Mars, Fun, or a track featuring Pharell, I can't help but acknowledge Mars' artistry.

at first I thought he was a no talent biter.

turns out he is just a biter.

[KENNY GUIDO]

seeing a tribute to MCA would be the right thing to do.

[JoLovesMCA]

As far as Kenye West and the BBoys is concerned, I think they are good with him. There's this:

http://www.popscreen.com/p/MTAwNzIxMzIz/Amazoncom-Kanye-West-And-Beastie-Boys-Autographed-Signed-reprint-

I'm not a big Kanye fan, but I consider him a credible artist (he has production talent). I also think Katy Perry is OK for her genre (despite the fact that I utterly loathe her genre). But yeah, it's almost all garbage now.

I also agree with you that the 90's were good, at least the early and mid-90's. Once lame korn biscuit metal-rap and boy bands started to take over and Hip Hop started to stagnate in the late 90's, I would argue it was about as bad as it is now.

Late 90's hip hop I would still take over what is out now. I would take SKEE-lo over Pitbull. And I would listen to Bone Thugs n Harmony before I would even pick up a Jay-Z record. I know people say Kanye might be an asshole but he's a genius....I disagree. I don't like his music.

Anyway I saw some more of the promos. Many fans are under the impression that there will be some tribute. I will hang out on twitter and if it happens I'll tune in.

[kll]

The latest promo we just watched for this has Jimmy Fallon, Robin Thicke and others singing lines from 'No Sleep' for the entire commercial, so it adds a spin to the speculation now...

[WesleyOHSnaps!]

It could be that their just using it because the show takes place in Brooklyn and this is probably the most exciting song about or that mentions Brooklyn.

I hope like the rest of you Mike and Adam will be there, or that MTV is doing a tribute, but I'm not expecting much.

[shiner13]

The first commercial I saw was the one with Miley Cyrus and I was horrified. I also thought it was just a tag line/shtick for their latest award show, and wasn't REALLY celebrating the Beastie Boys.

However I've seen a few more including the ones with Jimmy Fallon, Robin Thicke, Common etc. and I'm feeling a little different. The Beasties are still so relevant to me, it's cool for MTV to show they're just a relevant to them and the pop culture today. Just sayin... :)

[YoungRemy]

check out these videos.


http://www.mtv.com/videos/news/949039/no-sleep-till-brooklyn-an-oral-history.jhtml#id=1712925

[Lyman Zerga]

The first commercial I saw was the one with Miley Cyrus and I was horrified. I also thought it was just a tag line/shtick for their latest award show, and wasn't REALLY celebrating the Beastie Boys.

However I've seen a few more including the ones with Jimmy Fallon, Robin Thicke, Common etc. and I'm feeling a little different. The Beasties are still so relevant to me, it's cool for MTV to show they're just a relevant to them and the pop culture today. Just sayin... :)

true

[abbott]

yes to the above,

how can you not love it when you see Ad Rock jump in? If it was bullshit, Ad Rock would tell them to Fuck Off, Right?

Or does he show up and support the VMA's by contractual obligation only and in secret talk trash about it?

I can appreciate hating it, but jumping in when invited just to stir it up?

I like this alot, but odds are I wont see the VMA's unless they come on one of the 3 major networks, then odds are I still wont see it.

[Brass Monk]

Or does he show up and support the VMA's by contractual obligation only and in secret talk trash about it?



Huh?

[MCScoobyT]

http://pigeonsandplanes.com/2013/08/grimes-and-kathleen-hanna-discuss-feminism-in-the-21st-century/
Kathleen Hanna is hosting the red carpet?!? So ya, Ad-Rock is going to be there. I still don't think Mike will.

[JoLovesMCA]

http://pigeonsandplanes.com/2013/08/grimes-and-kathleen-hanna-discuss-feminism-in-the-21st-century/
Kathleen Hanna is hosting the red carpet?!? So ya, Ad-Rock is going to be there. I still don't think Mike will.

Holy shit MTV is actually interviewing Kathleen Hanna.

Something I wanna say but I don't wanna shit on good news so I will keep it to myself. I am so happy to see her!

[MCScoobyT]

^ "What goes around comes around I figure, now they got white kids calling themselves ni**as" -KRS-One

I said it for ya, MTV is a bunch of hypocrites and posers/followers

[Brass Monk]

....the Beasties did play a huge part in MTV's success.....

The reverse is also very, very true. A fact which some on this board would hate to admit.

[JoLovesMCA]

The reverse is also very, very true. A fact which some on this board would hate to admit.

Well I can admit it even though I hate the network and what it now represents.

Anyway well I was lurking around for some news and came across this.

The Brooklyn vibe was prominent in the show’s promos as well, which were centered around the Beastie Boys classic “No Sleep till Brooklyn.” When asked if, to bring the Brooklyn theme deeper, surviving Beasties Mike D and Ad-Rock might make a surprise appearance, the response was a quick laugh and a terse “No comment.”

http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/tv/brooklyn_invasion_1ONAf0TcF0VWt3DouaJN4K?utm_mediu m=rss&utm_content=TV

Honestly didn't think they would even attend so if they do I will eat my words and be happy to see them along with everybody else. I guess MCA is sending his blessings to Brooklyn tonight. :cool:

[Brass Monk]

Well I can admit it even though I hate the network and what it now represents.



Timberlake to get a vanguard award?

Wow, MTV is right now an even bigger joke than even I had realized!

[pm0ney]

Timberlake to get a vanguard award?

Wow, MTV is right now an even bigger joke than even I had realized!

Justin Timberlake is a very, very talented dude. The 20/20 Experience is an amazing record. I'm really looking forward to the second half coming out next month.

[POMP]

I have a feeling that the number of times MTV has played "No Sleep Till Brooklyn" will be the exact amount of dicks tonight's VMA's will suck.

[Lyman Zerga]

wow i forgot what a terrible bad taste fashion party the vmas are

[beasties#1fan]

I nonchalantly watched the VMAs with only one intention- to see if they give the beasties any props, or if the boys showed up... Let me just say i was literally cringing throughout the show.. Well mainly because I can't stand the "artists" that supposedly make "music" these days.

Anyways- as far as I know the Adam & Mike were not there.
The fact that when they were asked if they were going to show up they both laughed and said "no comment" is really cool.
But what's new, I love em & I'm glad they didn't show. They're too good for that joint anywayz.

[shiner13]

I have a feeling that the number of times MTV has played "No Sleep Till Brooklyn" will be the exact amount of dicks tonight's VMA's will suck.

That shit is hilarious.

What's with Eminem's Beats commercial that's a total rip-off of Whatcha Want?

[YoungRemy]

Timberlake to get a vanguard award?

Wow, MTV is right now an even bigger joke than even I had realized!

what artist do you think would be deserving of such an award in the year 2013?

seems dude crafted a pretty nice little career path after breaking away from one of the already bigger acts ever.


funny how everyone here got caught watching the show.

[Brass Monk]

Justin Timberlake is a very, very talented dude. The 20/20 Experience is an amazing record. I'm really looking forward to the second half coming out next month.

With respect, no he isn't.

[Brass Monk]

what artist do you think would be deserving of such an award in the year 2013?

seems dude crafted a pretty nice little career path after breaking away from one of the already bigger acts ever.


funny how everyone here got caught watching the show.

I really don't know who's received that award since the 90's so that's hard for me to answer. I also wouldn't call N Sync "one of the biggest acts ever".

He does sing the McDonald's theme of "I'm lovin it" will a lot of passion though, so I guess there's that.

I also didn't watch the show, I learned of the award from a linked article on this thread (and I don't have cable so I couldn't watch it even if I wanted to)

[Lyman Zerga]

funny how everyone here got caught watching the show.

because we hoped for adam and mike or atleast some mentioning of the beasties

besides today i havent watched the vmas since the beasties last were on there

[JoLovesMCA]

Yeah so if anybody reads Adrock's twitter he said this morning that he didn't even watch the awards. I knew it!!!!!!

good morning. fun fact about me. i did not watch the VMA's. but i am drinking coffee+watching Iverson+Pistol Pete highlights on the youtubez

But sadly I did watch some of the show and it was pretty bad. It least it confirms to me how much I don't like today's mainstream music.

Some editor tweeted that the best part about the VMAs would be the RUN DMC ADIDAS ad. I think she was right!


@shiner13 I actually said that last night, but I thought it was kinda cool.

[YoungRemy]

I really don't know who's received that award since the 90's so that's hard for me to answer. I also wouldn't call N Sync "one of the biggest acts ever".

"bigger"

apparently they are still making videos and honoring people for them. Timberlake got his 11 years after he went solo. according to the show last night, he has won 14 moonmen before the Vanguard honor.

He does sing the McDonald's theme of "I'm lovin it" will a lot of passion though, so I guess there's that.

Pharrell wrote that and it was produced by The Neptunes.

I also didn't watch the show, I learned of the award from a linked article on this thread (and I don't have cable so I couldn't watch it even if I wanted to)

no one cares why you me or anyone else did or didn't watch the show, or if you pay attention to who wins those kind of awards.

last night's show was a complete trainwreck. I laughed at Drake and Kanye West just for just showing up and trying.

[Micodin]

I didn't watch the VMA's but it looks like Miley Cyrus won the award for America's Biggest Whore.

[KENNY GUIDO]

did kanye interrupt the awards again?

the beasties should have been honored in some fashion, especially for MCA. The beasties broke down so many barriers for MTV.

[Micodin]

the beasties should have been honored in some fashion, especially for MCA. The beasties broke down so many barriers for MTV.

They did get the Video Vanguard Award in '98 and MTV also did an awesome job with the Beastie/ography.

I'm not sure how many more times MTV is going to do something on that level again.

Yes, it would be nice for something current after Adam's passing. But, I'm not sure how high it is on MTV priorities to do something more.

Besides. Who watches MTV anymore. Even Adrock doesn't even bother to tune in.

[pm0ney]

With respect, no he isn't.



It's cool, I respect your opinion. I politely disagree.

[abbott]

So I watched Jungle Gold last night and turned off the TV and started to go to bed when my wife fired up the tv and put on her recorded VMA's.

I love jungle gold, because those guys from Utah are such dumb asses they make me feel good about myself.

Anyway, I told my wife I did not want to watch it and asked if she would rub my neck. So face down, I am getting a neck rub/shoulder rub and I am listening to the event. Once I heard Mr Thick come on I looked up ... Note I am taking my wife on a date night to see Thick in a few weeks. My wife has had his cd for at least 2 years and I think more like 5.

Anyway, I look up and see him doing Mylie doggie style, and I say to my wife something to effect that we should do it doggie style like that. She some how tuns it against me and now thinks I fantasize about Mylie Cyrus.

I told my wife it has nothing to do with Hana Montana and that I looked up and saw this image, words came out, neck rub stopped and no action for me.

Fucking MTV.

[Micodin]

Fucking MTV.

Miley and MTV cock-blocked you out of a massage.

That's some bullshit!

[Brass Monk]

Pharrell wrote that and it was produced by The Neptunes.



That kinda sucks that Pharrell and the Neptunes did that commercial for McDonald's (with Timberlake no less). However, overall Pharrell and the Neptunes made/make music because I believe they just enjoy doing it. I think they'd be doing it even if they didn't sell any records or make any money from them (and I am not even a big fan of theirs beyond the 1st Clipse album).

That is a stark contrast to Timberlake whom clearly, exclusively makes music to sell records (and other products). That was clearly the case with his boy band and clearly the case with his solo career which was a direct spin-off of that group.

Just my opinion, but I think it has merit.

[KENNY GUIDO]

They did get the Video Vanguard Award in '98 and MTV also did an awesome job with the Beastie/ography.

I'm not sure how many more times MTV is going to do something on that level again.

Yes, it would be nice for something current after Adam's passing. But, I'm not sure how high it is on MTV priorities to do something more.

Besides. Who watches MTV anymore. Even Adrock doesn't even bother to tune in.

I havent watched mtv in years. maybe because im too old or because they just dont have videos on anymore. I just dont get thier programming and it sucks. but since they took no sleep till brooklyn and made it thier anchor, the least they could have done was honor one of the greatest minds next John Lennon.

[JohnnyChavello]

...and I say to my wife something to effect that we should do it doggie style like that. She some how tuns it against me and now thinks I fantasize about Mylie Cyrus.

I told my wife it has nothing to do with Hana Montana and that I looked up and saw this image, words came out, neck rub stopped and no action for me.

Fucking MTV.

Classic mistake.

[YoungRemy]

That kinda sucks that Pharrell and the Neptunes did that commercial for McDonald's (with Timberlake no less). However, overall Pharrell and the Neptunes made/make music because I believe they just enjoy doing it. I think they'd be doing it even if they didn't sell any records or make any money from them (and I am not even a big fan of theirs beyond the 1st Clipse album).

That is a stark contrast to Timberlake whom clearly, exclusively makes music to sell records (and other products). That was clearly the case with his boy band and clearly the case with his solo career which was a direct spin-off of that group.

Just my opinion, but I think it has merit.

sure it has merit but the entire music industry sees it a different way.
at some point you've got to give credit to the artistry and not chalk it up to some fluke marketing gimmick.

I mean, I think there's a reason this one guy from this one boy band exploded to stardom the way he did and is compared to other luminaries by his peers.

as for the McDonald's commercial, and I don't know the whole story, but that was a single, on Jive records, that the restaurant picked up and turned it into their entire marketing strategy and slogan.

not the other way around.

just like Jay Z and a billion other rap artists and any other artist not named Beastie Boys have done for the last 50 years.

you may not speak on anyone's behalf on why it is clear that they do what they do.

[pm0ney]

That kinda sucks that Pharrell and the Neptunes did that commercial for McDonald's (with Timberlake no less). However, overall Pharrell and the Neptunes made/make music because I believe they just enjoy doing it. I think they'd be doing it even if they didn't sell any records or make any money from them (and I am not even a big fan of theirs beyond the 1st Clipse album).

That is a stark contrast to Timberlake whom clearly, exclusively makes music to sell records (and other products). That was clearly the case with his boy band and clearly the case with his solo career which was a direct spin-off of that group.

Just my opinion, but I think it has merit.

You're being extremely presumptuous here. How do you know what motivates these artists to make music? By your logic, wouldn't Justin release an album every year? The amount of time in between his second and third record was longer than the amount of time it took the Beastie Boys to release TT5B after Hello Nasty.

[Brass Monk]

You're being extremely presumptuous here. How do you know what motivates these artists to make music? By your logic, wouldn't Justin release an album every year? The amount of time in between his second and third record was longer than the amount of time it took the Beastie Boys to release TT5B after Hello Nasty.

It's not presumptuous to assume that modern boy bands are solely about selling records. And the amount of time spent between albums can be attributed to his aspirations to be a movie star. I had the misfortune of seeing him in "In Time", the guy makes Keanu Reeves look like Marlon Brando.

And don't even compare him to the BBoys, not even in the most secondary of fashions.

[Brass Monk]

you may not speak on anyone's behalf on why it is clear that they do what they do.

Nor can you, but I do have eyes and ears.

[pm0ney]

It's not presumptuous to assume that modern boy bands are solely about selling records. And the amount of time spent between albums can be attributed to his aspirations to be a movie star. I had the misfortune of seeing him in "In Time", the guy makes Keanu Reeves look like Marlon Brando.

And don't even compare him to the BBoys, not even in the most secondary of fashions.

I thought it was a fair comparison considering you presumed the only reason he makes records is for money. Also, theres a thread on page 1 of this forum titled "Ad-rock getting back into acting." So you demonize one guy for doing it, but praise another for doing the same exact thing. Doesn't make much sense to me.

[abbott]

I am a Timberlake fan. Shit if I could dance like that.

[Brass Monk]

I thought it was a fair comparison considering you presumed the only reason he makes records is for money. Also, theres a thread on page 1 of this forum titled "Ad-rock getting back into acting." So you demonize one guy for doing it, but praise another for doing the same exact thing. Doesn't make much sense to me.

Huh? I didn't demonize him for attempting to act. I critiqued Timberlake for being a BAD actor. Big difference!
And if some folks are strident Timberlake fans here, ok. I’m just a bit surprised given his 100% commercial nature, amongst other things. But let’s not create some false equivalency there. A billion other artists might commericalize in some shape or form, but Timberlake is clearly on the extreme end of the commercial pendulum (McDonald’s is just one of many examples).
But wow. I didn’t think I was picking a fight criticizing him on this board. Especially on a thread where most everyone is critqueing the current Mtv. I think he is a horrible example of the media’s preference for style over substance. I have been force fed some of his music by my wife and its garbage now and it won’t hold up over time either.
As you said before I guess we'll have to politely disagree :)

[Micodin]

I have been force fed some of his music by my wife and its garbage now and it won’t hold up over time either.

I'm not a huge fan of JT, but I do know if I'm DJing and I drop SexyBack, the crowd goes HAM. And that song is 7 years old. Almost a decade. That's like 25 years in Pop music shelf life.

As for his acting, he was great in Black Snake Moan and The Social Network. I haven't seen anything else he's been in, including his SNL stuff.

[pm0ney]

Huh? I didn't demonize him for attempting to act. I critiqued Timberlake for being a BAD actor. Big difference!
And if some folks are strident Timberlake fans here, ok. I’m just a bit surprised given his 100% commercial nature, amongst other things. But let’s not create some false equivalency there. A billion other artists might commericalize in some shape or form, but Timberlake is clearly on the extreme end of the commercial pendulum (McDonald’s is just one of many examples).
But wow. I didn’t think I was picking a fight criticizing him on this board. Especially on a thread where most everyone is critqueing the current Mtv. I think he is a horrible example of the media’s preference for style over substance. I have been force fed some of his music by my wife and its garbage now and it won’t hold up over time either.
As you said before I guess we'll have to politely disagree :)


Totally. Its all good dude.

[SP1200]

I think Def Jam owns the rights to No Sleep, and the Beasties don't get any say on how Def Jam uses the ITL stuff.

The authors of a song usually retain moral rights. Even if DEF JAM owns the rights to the work the authors can object to how it is used. If the Beastie Boys do own the rights to this song I doubt they would object because due to unfortunate circumstances they have lost a huge part of their income as a touring act.

[JoLovesMCA]

Well I just discovered some new things about JT. Didn’t know he was that commercial.

I don’t get how he was able to snag a Vanguard award only because I always thought it had something to do with the creativity of the music video. His always looked pretty basic to me. I guess they go by longevity as an artist and he managed to stay on top for so many years.

His performance at the VMA’s was okay but it didn’t get interesting until he did Bye Bye Bye with N Sync. Yes I like that song. Their videos as a band was always more interesting to me than anything he did solo.

I think he’s smart though and he seems dedicated to his craft so I can’t hate him for that.

In Time was a good film but I hadn’t watched anything else. I think I might be more interested in his films than his music so if he makes another action one I will probably watch.

[JohnnyChavello]

The authors of a song usually retain moral rights. Even if DEF JAM owns the rights to the work the authors can object to how it is used. If the Beastie Boys do own the rights to this song I doubt they would object because due to unfortunate circumstances they have lost a huge part of their income as a touring act.

The US doesn't provide authors of copyrighted works with a comprehensive moral rights system. Certain types of visual works are protected under VARA from non-economic harms, but not music.

[YoungRemy]

Huh? I didn't demonize him for attempting to act. I critiqued Timberlake for being a BAD actor. Big difference!
And if some folks are strident Timberlake fans here, ok. I’m just a bit surprised given his 100% commercial nature, amongst other things. But let’s not create some false equivalency there. A billion other artists might commericalize in some shape or form, but Timberlake is clearly on the extreme end of the commercial pendulum (McDonald’s is just one of many examples).
But wow. I didn’t think I was picking a fight criticizing him on this board. Especially on a thread where most everyone is critqueing the current Mtv. I think he is a horrible example of the media’s preference for style over substance. I have been force fed some of his music by my wife and its garbage now and it won’t hold up over time either.
As you said before I guess we'll have to politely disagree :)



not a fan, not picking a fight either, I guess I could have engaged my response to your surprise of JT receiving the award with a simple "and you are shocked by this?"

to me, though, you keep using the word "clearly" and keep pointing to that McDonald's ad as the end-all be-all of commercializing on one's music.

how can you look at commercials from Eminem, advertising Beats by Dr Dre headphones, and say that they aren't on the same end of that commerial pendulum?




also,

Dick In A Box on SNL

History Of Rap with Jimmy Fallon and The Roots.



/defendingTimberlake

[Brass Monk]

to me, though, you keep using the word "clearly" and keep pointing to that McDonald's ad as the end-all be-all of commercializing on one's music.


I guess we could just go down the list (Pepsi soft drinks would be next), but let's not.

And I'm not a fan of that thing he did with Fallon either.

But I really didn't want to talk (or anticipate talking) about JT this much, I'd rather talk about artists I actually like and respect.

We CLEARLY have a difference of opinion on this topic, which is fine.