BEASTIE RELATED: The new Eminem song 'Rap God' doesn't sample B-Boys

[Kid Presentable]

But it does contain a JJ Fad namedrop, Rick Rubin was involved on some level, and in 2004 Yauch linked up Em's 'Mosh' video ahead of the US election.

Rap God (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7cQ3b0iqLo)

[Odie]

Eminem was in 8 Mile with Kim Basinger who was in Ready to Wear with Tim Robbins who was in Mystic River with Kevin Bacon!

[pshabi]

Fuck Lil Wayne.

[Lyman Zerga]

i dont allow any eminem or lil wayne related crap on this board anymore.

[Micodin]

Em does spaz on that song tho!

[Brass Monk]

i dont allow any eminem or lil wayne related crap on this board anymore.

No, if anyone should be prohibited, it should be Champagne Jerry.

[Kid Presentable]

Rhymes are pretty nuts.

[Micodin]

Much respect by dropping the word "omnipotent" in the proper usage.

[YoungRemy]

No, if anyone should be prohibited, it should be Champagne Jerry.

TRIBUTE OR DISS? (http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2013/10/15-rappers-referenced-on-eminems-rap-god/)

[Michelle*s_Farm]

No, if anyone should be prohibited, it should be Champagne Jerry.

He is dangerous.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

TRIBUTE OR DISS? (http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2013/10/15-rappers-referenced-on-eminems-rap-god/)

MIA's latest (https://soundcloud.com/miauk/y-a-l-a-preview) is a much better song and diss track

[Micodin]

MIA's latest (https://soundcloud.com/miauk/y-a-l-a-preview) is a much better song and diss track

MIA lost it after Kala.

[KENNY GUIDO]

............

[Guy Incognito]

I really like it. sounds like from this and berzerk that he's really trying again. am really looking forward to the album.

[brooklyndust]

This track is pretty nuts. Not the biggest EM fan but really enjoying the Berserk single. I think I might buy the album.

[MCScoobyT]

i will pirate it

[Kid Presentable]

The internet is pushing for a berzerk remix featuring Mike and Adam. I'm not seeing it, but it's interesting as a thought.

[M|X|Y]

^ haha, holy shit what a (great) thought (y)

cosignded

[Megalon X]

That's never going to happen.

I don't know Eminem is all right and all, but after Adam died, and he was asked about it. He just went on and on about how much he loved Licensed to Ill without mentioning anything else. Which is fine of course, but it's also the reason I don't see them having a collaboration either. They're not in the same place artistically at all.

[Kid Presentable]

Cool story.

Stranger shit has happened. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH08ylBq-EI)

And to be fair to you, when I said 'the internet' I meant a mercurial realm where individuals posit ideas which are miles removed from reality. So it's really nothing more than bullshitting. I acknowledge that.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

They would never collaborate with him. That is one of the reasons I am a fan of the Beastie Boys. I wish people would stop posting about Eminem on a Beastie Boys board! Go discuss Eminem on his site or in other music. Most intelligent Beastie Boys fans do not even like Eminem, for good reason as he sucks.

[Kid Presentable]

They would never collaborate with him. That is one of the reasons I am a fan of the Beastie Boys. I wish people would stop posting about Eminem on a Beastie Boys board! Go discuss Eminem on his site or in other music. Most intelligent Beastie Boys fans do not even like Eminem, for good reason as he sucks.

I bet you were sucking your teeth when you posted this.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

I bet you were sucking your teeth when you posted this.

Great expression. I am not really mad. If I was honest I would come clean that there have been a couple of tracks / videos that I liked over the years.

I disagree with the idea that Eminem should replace MCA's role as the third Beastie which has circulated on the inter webs. I think it is silly based in who Eminem is and what he represents (in some respects he is the antithesis to the Beastie Boys).

[Kid Presentable]

Nobody said that. A remix of his song featuring them, that's all. I know it won't happen.

[Micodin]

Most intelligent Beastie Boys fans do not even like Eminem, for good reason as he sucks.

I've been a Beasties fan since '86 and I also like Eminem. I guess I'm not part of the most?

Em is one of the most technical rappers since Rakim. If there is a "top 5 of all time" he's in it. Easily. Check out his BET Cyphers or the verbal gymnastics he pulls off on Rap God. The dude can rap his ass off.

[Guy Incognito]

And to be fair to you, when I said 'the internet' I meant a mercurial realm where individuals posit ideas which are miles removed from reality. So it's really nothing more than bullshitting. I acknowledge that.

This made me laugh a lot(y)

[Guy Incognito]

They would never collaborate with him. That is one of the reasons I am a fan of the Beastie Boys. I wish people would stop posting about Eminem on a Beastie Boys board! Go discuss Eminem on his site or in other music. Most intelligent Beastie Boys fans do not even like Eminem, for good reason as he sucks.

well dont post in this thread then instead of just adding to the discussion.

I fail to see why an intelligent beastie boys fan cant like any other rapper. Especially one with a fairly unique style. they had their own and its hard to argue that he isnt influenced by them in some ways.

[abbott]

The internet is pushing for a berzerk remix featuring Mike and Adam. I'm not seeing it, but it's interesting as a thought.

that would be nice

[Odie]

Yeah great idea, and Pussy Riot should do a song with Robin Thickle. Not everyone follows the same presupposed consensus of hiphop and music in general, NWA is not my year zero for hip hop. Eminem was just another angry white male perpetuating scub bag. Take these "down" white rappers threads where you desperately want them to be associated with the Beastie Boys it to general music, they don't need that kind of credibility.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

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[Kid Presentable]

Yeah great idea, and Pussy Riot should do a song with Robin Thickle. Not everyone follows the same presupposed consensus of hiphop and music in general, NWA is not my year zero for hip hop. Eminem was just another angry white male perpetuating scub bag. Take these "down" white rappers threads where you desperately want them to be associated with the Beastie Boys it to general music, they don't need that kind of credibility.

Haha you've been getting salty about Eminem for so long on here. I almost post threads like this for you alone. I could pick apart this whole credibility argument or how you think this shit's desperate of me but it's not worth the conflict. I'm happy with your point of view.

You mad though :p

[Megalon X]

Cool story.

Stranger shit has happened. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH08ylBq-EI)

And to be fair to you, when I said 'the internet' I meant a mercurial realm where individuals posit ideas which are miles removed from reality. So it's really nothing more than bullshitting. I acknowledge that.

Are you suggesting Nas and Eminem are the same person? LOL. I'm sorry, Nas didn't break through in the rap game after rapping about stabbing lesbians in the face. There's no comparison here.

[Megalon X]

Yeah great idea, and Pussy Riot should do a song with Robin Thickle. Not everyone follows the same presupposed consensus of hiphop and music in general, NWA is not my year zero for hip hop. Eminem was just another angry white male perpetuating scub bag. Take these "down" white rappers threads where you desperately want them to be associated with the Beastie Boys it to general music, they don't need that kind of credibility.

I'm sorry, Eminem being white and male makes him more of a scum bag? LOL. I'm sorry, this isn't Tumblr. You must be confused here.

[MCScoobyT]

The internet is pushing for a berzerk remix featuring Mike and Adam. I'm not seeing it, but it's interesting as a thought.

I'm surprised no one has made a mash-up remix with a Beasties pella over Berserk, keeping one of Em's verses and the chorus!?!

Here is a mash up AK-47 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmhRgjqAf4I) did, it's noice, but it's just the B-Boys over the Berserk beat, minus any Em.

[Lyman Zerga]

They would never collaborate with him. That is one of the reasons I am a fan of the Beastie Boys. I wish people would stop posting about Eminem on a Beastie Boys board! Go discuss Eminem on his site or in other music. Most intelligent Beastie Boys fans do not even like Eminem, for good reason as he sucks.

amen

[Kid Presentable]

Are you suggesting Nas and Eminem are the same person? LOL. I'm sorry, Nas didn't break through in the rap game after rapping about stabbing lesbians in the face. There's no comparison here.

This is the sort if stuff you say when you're using the Brass Monk account.

[Micodin]

Are you suggesting Nas and Eminem are the same person? LOL. I'm sorry, Nas didn't break through in the rap game after rapping about stabbing lesbians in the face. There's no comparison here.

No but Nas did break through with lines like...

When I was twelve, I went to hell for snuffing Jesus - Live at the Barbecue

I'm waving automatic guns at nuns
Sticking up the preachers in the church, I'm a stone crook
Serial killer, who works by the phone book - Back To The Grill Again

Pretty shocking shit to be saying in '92 by someone who later calls himself God's Son.

[Brass Monk]

This is the sort if stuff you say when you're using the Brass Monk account.

Actually I would say nothing like that, I am quite familiar with both Nas & Em, as well as their respective styles and history.

I know, and you know, I've owned you in multiple conversations we've had in the past.
No need to be bitter about it. Clearly it's gotten to you since you've felt the need to drop my name. I'll take it as a compliment.

[Kid Presentable]

Actually I would say nothing like that, I am quite familiar with both Nas & Em, as well as their respective styles and history.

I know, and you know, I've owned you in multiple conversations we've had in the past.
No need to be bitter about it. Clearly it's gotten to you since you've felt the need to drop my name. I'll take it as a compliment.

It's true! You should provide the people with some examples! I didn't think we'd ever had a conversation; I sort of just watch you do your whole ironic 'terrible opinions' thing.

[Megalon X]

This is the sort if stuff you say when you're using the Brass Monk account.

You're obviously some kind of idiot.

No but Nas did break through with lines like...

When I was twelve, I went to hell for snuffing Jesus - Live at the Barbecue

I'm waving automatic guns at nuns
Sticking up the preachers in the church, I'm a stone crook
Serial killer, who works by the phone book - Back To The Grill Again

Pretty shocking shit to be saying in '92 by someone who later calls himself God's Son.Are the Beastie Boys a Christian rap group now? LOL. There's a difference here. Maybe the fact that there was a lesbian in their group once or the fact that Adrock took shots at the whole homophobia act on BS2000. No one is saying Eminem doesn't have lyrics. That's not what this is about.

Let me just break down the whole thing here and why people find this annoying. Just because there are other white rappers, doesn't mean people have to post about them or kiss their asses on the Beastie general discussion board. A fucking lot of people don't care about Eminem. If this happened at the Wu-Tang board, the reaction would be the same, and a lot of the people there don't listen to his shit.

This is dumb. I'm pretty sure at the Metallica board, you don't have random people posting about the new Yes album or trying to promote random rock bands or whatever else in general Metallica discussion.

[Kid Presentable]

Haha lighten up, Die Hard. Nobody is 'kissing ass', it's just funny to me to see this ridiculous reaction. Turd posted a Zeppelin thread in Beastie Free, you should really do something about that, too. Just go outside or something, quit being so angry, uppity and boring. You'll break your keyboard if you keep this up.

[MCScoobyT]

other bands have message boards?

[Megalon X]

Haha lighten up, Die Hard. Nobody is 'kissing ass', it's just funny to me to see this ridiculous reaction. Turd posted a Zeppelin thread in Beastie Free, you should really do something about that, too. Just go outside or something, quit being so angry, uppity and boring. You'll break your keyboard if you keep this up.

You're going to tell me to go outside when you're riding some other poster's jock here SO HARD you're accusing other people of being him? Yeah, OK, junior. Just don't tell us about your sexual fanfiction you wrote about other board members. We've been creeped out enough already.

[Lo_Lyfe]

smh @ this fakkit kid pernestable tryin to be clever n shit. Fukk him he a bytch

[YoungRemy]

other bands have message boards?

they get very serious.

what ends up happening (at those other bands boards) is fans begin to moan at each other and try to speak on behalf of an entire fanbase because of personal petty bickering.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

they get very serious.

what ends up happening (at those other bands boards) is fans begin to moan at each other and try to speak on behalf of an entire fanbase because of personal petty bickering.

The only bickering here is the misogynist beer-swillin' sniffin' glue contingent versus the Buddhist punk rock feminist faction. Sparks always flyin' high.

[Megalon X]

The only bickering here is the misogynist beer-swillin' sniffin' glue contingent versus the Buddhist punk rock feminist faction. Sparks always flyin' high.

There's some douche bags here, but misogynists? :rolleyes:

[Michelle*s_Farm]

There's some douche bags here, but misogynists? :rolleyes:

Awesome. Layered wit and to the point.

Weird how people do not use the term douche anymore -- it really did mean something quite specific back in the day, I could almost visualise it.

[brooklyndust]

fans begin to moan at each other and try to speak on behalf of an entire fanbase

A lot of people here try to speak on behalf of the whole band. I didn't think Nasty Little Man had that many employees.

But by judging lyrics like:

I take seven kids from Columbine, stand 'em all in line
Add an AK-47, a revolver, a nine
A MAC-11 and it oughta solve the problem of mine
And that's a whole school of bullies shot up all at one time

vs.

Trajectories from the past are taking their toll
And what we do now is future molding
Columbine bowling, childhood stolen
We need a bit more gun controlling

I can see how there would be some creative differences.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

A lot of people here try to speak on behalf of the whole band. I didn't think Nasty Little Man had that many employees.

But by judging lyrics like:

I take seven kids from Columbine, stand 'em all in line
Add an AK-47, a revolver, a nine
A MAC-11 and it oughta solve the problem of mine
And that's a whole school of bullies shot up all at one time

vs.

Trajectories from the past are taking their toll
And what we do now is future molding
Columbine bowling, childhood stolen
We need a bit more gun controlling

I can see how there would be some creative differences.

Noice.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Fucked song by a fucked rapper. Semi-talented but should never grace these boards, period! Who gives a fuck, I don't anymore.

Check the record 2013 (http://www.hotnewhiphop.com/boy-george-calls-out-eminem-for-homophobic-rap-god-lyrics-news.7770.html)

Best review of this song by
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"Wow, the hook and beat of Rap God are horrible"

[Kid Presentable]

The only bickering here is the misogynist beer-swillin' sniffin' glue contingent versus the Buddhist punk rock feminist faction. Sparks always flyin' high.

This is the corniest thing I have ever read.

[Lex Diamonds]

It's funny to see the amount of blind Eminem-hate on here. It's a very interesting, clear demonstration of the Venn diagram intersection of "Beastie Boys Fans" and "Non Hip-Hop Heads".

Those who use phrases like "white rapper" and "shock tactics" in discussions of Eminem are clearly just visitors to the culture. These things haven't been issues within hip-hop since, ironically, the Beastie Boys released Licensed To Ill. People talking about how Eminem "broke through talking about stabbing lesbians" are woefully uninformed about the man's career and the history of hip-hop in terms of The Outsidaz, Rawkus Records, Dr. Dre et cetera and it's painful to watch them regurgitate these tabloid sensationalisms whilst claiming themselves as rap fans. It's also a testament to the conservative media's ability to brainwash and cause uproar amongst even the most (supposedly) liberal of music consumers.

[Brass Monk]

It's funny to see the amount of blind Eminem-hate on here. It's a very interesting, clear demonstration of the Venn diagram intersection of "Beastie Boys Fans" and "Non Hip-Hop Heads".

Those who use phrases like "white rapper" and "shock tactics" in discussions of Eminem are clearly just visitors to the culture. These things haven't been issues within hip-hop since, ironically, the Beastie Boys released Licensed To Ill. People talking about how Eminem "broke through talking about stabbing lesbians" are woefully uninformed about the man's career and the history of hip-hop in terms of The Outsidaz, Rawkus Records, Dr. Dre et cetera and it's painful to watch them regurgitate these tabloid sensationalisms whilst claiming themselves as rap fans. It's also a testament to the conservative media's ability to brainwash and cause uproar amongst even the most (supposedly) liberal of music consumers.

I agree with everything you said except your little rule that users of phrases such as "white rapper" and "shock tactics" are automatically "visitors to the culture". That's just silly snobbishness.

But I agree that the blind Eminem hate is puzzling (although I will admit that that scene in 8 mile had me blindly hating him for a bit).

[cj hood]

The internet is pushing for a berzerk remix featuring Mike and Adam. I'm not seeing it, but it's interesting as a thought.

i don't see Mike D every rappin again...

[Kid Presentable]

i don't see Mike D every rappin again...

Yeah I hear that. Yauch made all three of them doper, but it would still be a nice surprise if he ever did rock a mic again. And no, I don't actually mean on a berzerk remix.

[cj hood]

Yeah I hear that. Yauch made all three of them doper, but it would still be a nice surprise if he ever did rock a mic again. And no, I don't actually mean on a berzerk remix.

i agree...

i think if adrock was pressed hard enough he'd drop some rhymes...

[brooklyndust]

i agree...

i think if adrock was pressed hard enough he'd drop some rhymes...

And hopefully not with a lounge act.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

This is the corniest thing I have ever read.

My jokes are usually shit or corny. A woman has to really love me to laugh, indeed that may be the best test of loyalty...

[Lex Diamonds]

Or the best test of whether you have money.

[MCScoobyT]

And hopefully not with a lounge act.

Too late... #fuckChampagneJerry

[YoungRemy]

Bridget Everett & The Tender Moments is the lounge act.

Champagne Jerry is arguably, the greatest rapper of all time.

[MCScoobyT]

Bridget Everett & The Tender Moments is the lounge act.

Champagne Jerry is arguably, the greatest rapper of all time.

too many rappers, not enough emcee's

[YoungRemy]

first of all, I'm not a rapper... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ChppfnazzE)

[Megalon X]

Is Champagne Jerry some kind of porn star or something?

[tt5brevisited]

And then he

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSxtNd_ja6I#t=30

[abbott]

And then he

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSxtNd_ja6I#t=30

yep, its undeniable

[Brass Monk]

I quite like it.

Did Buckshot actually participate in that or is it just a sample?

So now we have a Beastie Boys tribute track, a Black moon tribute track, any others?

[Kid Presentable]

I quite like it.

Did Buckshot actually participate in that or is it just a sample?

So now we have a Beastie Boys tribute track, a Black moon tribute track, any others?

My understanding based on various readings is that Buckshot did lay down the hook again, but I'm not so sure based on hearing it.

Another story goes that stating a song is 'featuring suchandsuch' is a good way to get around sample clearances, and it doesn't in fact have to be an actual feature. See 'Otis'.

Photo evidence shows them both in the lab, and the interview I read mentioned that Buckshot heard the song in the studio.

Pretty sure the 'I Got Cha Opin' instrumental is on Beastie Show Breaks or some such. Happy to be wrong. Anyone?

Anyway, this is incredible. Stomps on some of the extremely questionable musical choices on the album itself. Would be nice to hear Em and Sean P together.

[tt5brevisited]

any others?

Not whole songs but I hear a lot of 80's and 90's MC's name droppin'.
Oh, and PSK snippets.
And oh, quite a few other snippets.

[Micodin]

My understanding based on various readings is that Buckshot did lay down the hook again, but I'm not so sure based on hearing it.

Another story goes that stating a song is 'featuring suchandsuch' is a good way to get around sample clearances, and it doesn't in fact have to be an actual feature. See 'Otis'.

Photo evidence shows them both in the lab, and the interview I read mentioned that Buckshot heard the song in the studio.

Pretty sure the 'I Got Cha Opin' instrumental is on Beastie Show Breaks or some such. Happy to be wrong. Anyone?

Anyway, this is incredible. Stomps on some of the extremely questionable musical choices on the album itself. Would be nice to hear Em and Sean P together.

Buckshot said that Em flew him out and played him the beat. And Buckshot thought it was just the instrumental to I Got Cha Opin. But Em went in and recreated the beat from the ground up. (http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2013/11/buckshot-eminem-dont-front-mmlp2-interview/)

Anyways, the song is nice.

[Brass Monk]

As much as I like it, it does seem like it belongs more on a mixtape than an official album.

[Kid Presentable]

It's not on the album.

[Brass Monk]

It's not on the album.

Oh, I see.

Seems like they put a lot of work into the beat given the circumstances.
Just que up the old beat, put down some new vocals and mission accomplished.

[Lo_Lyfe]

Ayo bad guy is 10/10

[Micodin]

It was supposed to be on the album. The sample clear didn't in time.

[pshabi]

Eminem doesn't make my playlist. Nothing he has done has made me want to listen more than once (other than those BET cyphers). But, if you deny the greatness of this (http://youtu.be/fySaWH6qIVg), you are hating out of spite. Impressive.

[YoungRemy]

co-sign pshabi.

eminem hasn't been on my radar since 1999. call me influenced by this board or whatever, but I have been enjoying the rollout of his latest effort.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Eminem doesn't make my playlist. Nothing he has done has made me want to listen more than once (other than those BET cyphers). But, if you deny the greatness of this (http://youtu.be/fySaWH6qIVg), you are hating out of spite. Impressive.

Dislike the music in the background -- boring. His flow, despite binging original, is not my cup of tea. His faux anger is also annoying.

[Lyman Zerga]

annoying as fuck

[Kid Presentable]

Dislike the music in the background -- boring. His flow, despite binging original, is not my cup of tea. His faux anger is also annoying.

Did you end up listening to Danny Brown?

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Did you end up listening to Danny Brown?

Sure did. I dig Danny Brown's "Old" LP a lot. I like how he changes his voice up during a track if that makes sense. I also like that he appears to be battling with himself in a genuine, human way.

[Micodin]

I've saw Eminem once when he opened for Rahzel and Mix Master Mike in Philadelphia many years ago. He had a quick 15 or 20 minute set.

I've been following him ever since.

He's put out some classic albums and he's put out some clunkers. I love the Bad Meets Evil EP he put out with Royce a couple years ago. With the 22 songs he put out for MMLP2 I can trim the fat and make a solid 12 song LP.

I'm not going to defend the reasons why I like his music. I like what I like. He's a lyrical and technical beast on the mic. I respect that. He's in my top 5 easily.

Before people get all elitist and start hammering on peeps for listening to Em, they should check their records, cds and their hard drives before they start throwing stones because I'm willing to bet that they have a fair amount of bullshit on there that many individuals would consider to be musical faux pas.

Anyways. Enjoy your day.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

I've saw Eminem once when he opened for Rahzel and Mix Master Mike in Philadelphia many years ago. He had a quick 15 or 20 minute set.

I've been following him ever since.

He's put out some classic albums and he's put out some clunkers. I love the Bad Meets Evil EP he put out with Royce a couple years ago. With the 22 songs he put out for MMLP2 I can trim the fat and make a solid 12 song LP.

I'm not going to defend the reasons why I like his music. I like what I like. He's a lyrical and technical beast on the mic. I respect that. He's in my top 5 easily.

Before people get all elitist and start hammering on peeps for listening to Em, they should check their records, cds and their hard drives before they start throwing stones because I'm willing to bet that they have a fair amount of bullshit on there that many individuals would consider to be musical faux pas.

Anyways. Enjoy your day.

I have liked some Em tracks in the past (e.g., 1999 and a little after) and felt guilty as he appears to be a wanker. He can be funny though and there are talents for sure. Just not for me overall. I agree we all like tracks or artists that could be a musical faux pas. Lately I cannot help but listen to Charlie XcX, Icona Pop, and now Sky Ferreira. I have not bothered with female pop stars since Madonna did True Blue. Still if we like it, we like it no matter how guilty it makes us. Hope you enjoy your day too :)

[Brass Monk]

I have liked some Em tracks in the past (e.g., 1999 and a little after) and felt guilty as he appears to be a wanker. He can be funny though and there are talents for sure. Just not for me overall. I agree we all like tracks or artists that could be a musical faux pas. Lately I cannot help but listen to Charlie XcX, Icona Pop, and now Sky Ferreira. I have not bothered with female pop stars since Madonna did True Blue. Still if we like it, we like it no matter how guilty it makes us. Hope you enjoy your day too :)

I personally feel like a "musical faux pas" is an artist or track with no talent or real quality to it. I agree that we all probably have a fondness for a track or artist that we deep down know is not very good, but we like it anyway (frequently nostalgia plays into it). But I don't see Em as one of those artists because, as you said, he has talent. Maybe he has a handful of tracks that might fall into that category, but every artist does.

[tt5brevisited]

Dj Double R

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7IlXq2qlRc

[Kid Presentable]

The Danny Brown track with Freddie Gibbs is so dope.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Dj Double R

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7IlXq2qlRc

The beginning got me excited, but quickly the performance became contrived, derivative and definitely not legit. The rock is just not right, it is pop nostalgia rock rap performed by session musicians. Yuck!

[Kid Presentable]

Thing is it's just not a great song. The video was a great tribute but the song has never been anything special. One of the better "I'm back" type singles he's released, but that's hardly high praise. There is something weird going on with his voice, too.

Rick was interviewed about Berzerk and how it was originally to be built around a different sample. My instinct would suggest So Watcha Want (based on the music under the hook) and if so it's for the best that it wasn't used.

The Rubin contributions to the album are puzzling, ostensibly corny but not completely unlistenable. Love Game is probably the most disappointing of them, but it's still not bad.

The interesting thing is that the tag info for the year of the album's release and for the songs says '2000'. I haven't been able to corroborate this, but if this is the case on official copies, maybe it is a concept-type album. Because the truly confounding Rubin tracks do sound sorta Smash Mouth/Crazy Town-ish production-wise; like commercial pop rap stuff you'd hear in a meat market bar circa 2000.

That would be an interesting wrinkle on the whole thing. Making intentionally bad music. Or intentionally out-dated music. Although throughout his career you could argue he's done that at various points. ha!

Anyway, the album also has some of his best music ever in my opinion. Bad Guy in particular is incredible. Evil Twin, also. Like 10/10 for Eminem tracks (presupposing some level of interest in his music). But like all of his albums there is a lot of crud.

I'm now glad the B Boys never worked with Rick again. And (since it is legitimately the best RR production on the album - albeit as hard to fathom as the others) I called the Joe Walsh thing a ways back (http://bbs.beastieboys.com/showpost.php?p=1730927&postcount=5) and didn't even realise.

[JohnnyChavello]

The Rubin contributions to the album are puzzling, ostensibly corny but not completely unlistenable. Love Game is probably the most disappointing of them, but it's still not bad.

...the truly confounding Rubin tracks do sound sorta Smash Mouth/Crazy Town-ish production-wise; like commercial pop rap stuff you'd hear in a meat market bar circa 2000.

I understand what you're saying. On paper those samples look way too obvious (Billy Squire, FFYR, Joe Walsh, the Zombies, P.S.K., the same song De La Soul used on My Brother's a Basehead), and he's using them in really direct ways, but those are the strongest songs on the album as a whole, in my opinion, other than Rap God. They're all mixed extremely well, too. I could live without the hooks, but I liked them. Really like most of the new album. Lyrically it's technical and interesting.

[Laver1969]

Dj Double R

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7IlXq2qlRc

I've never been an Em fan...but I like the nod to Beasties in the vid ad song.

Is he lip-syncing here on snl?

[Kid Presentable]

I quite like it.

Did Buckshot actually participate in that or is it just a sample?

So now we have a Beastie Boys tribute track, a Black moon tribute track, any others?

There's a little Tribe routine over a souled up old De La beat on Love Game.

[Micodin]

I've never been an Em fan...but I like the nod to Beasties in the vid ad song.

Is he lip-syncing here on snl?

Borderline.

He's has a live mic on low and a backing vocal track.

He lost his voice from press and rehearsals.

He went HAM on the YouTube awards with Rap God tho.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Borderline.

He's has a live mic on low and a backing vocal track.

He lost his voice from press and rehearsals.

He went HAM on the YouTube awards with Rap God tho.

The 'lip syncing' was a bit lame for a live performance. It was like an episode of bad lip reading (http://youtu.be/VAfwShc0RAs). Should have delayed the performance or made some sort of announcement
(i.e., disclaimer). Rick's turntable looked cheap (not an ounce of character). Indeed Rick's performance looked fake
to me.

I liked his outfit (the dog tags are definitely lame though)

[Bernard Goetz]

The interesting thing is that the tag info for the year of the album's release and for the songs says '2000'.

Are you saying the album's release date is listed as 2000, in iTunes (or whatever)?

[Micodin]

The 'lip syncing' was a bit lame for a live performance. It was like an episode of bad lip reading (http://youtu.be/VAfwShc0RAs). Should have delayed the performance or made some sort of announcement
(i.e., disclaimer). Rick's turntable looked cheap (not an ounce of character). Indeed Rick's performance looked fake
to me.

I liked his outfit (the dog tags are definitely lame though)

It's not really "lip synching" if you have a live mic on. Singers and rappers lose their voice. It happens. It's live tv. Let's get realistic.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

It's not really "lip synching" if you have a live mic on. Singers and rappers lose their voice. It happens. It's live tv. Let's get realistic.

He does it all the time (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2401597/Eminem-fans-slam-star-Twitter-refuses-let-BBC-broadcast-Reading-Festival-performance.html). There is an older discussion about his 'live' work here (http://www.inforoo.com/thread/24335/eminem-rely-on-backing-tracks?page=1&scrollTo=815999). Way back in 2004 (http://www.geofffox.com/MT/archives/2004/10/31/eminem-lip-syncs-too.php) as well on SNL -- lost his voice my ass. The Beasties had their live performance down pat and it seemed to get better over time.

[Micodin]

He does it all the time (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2401597/Eminem-fans-slam-star-Twitter-refuses-let-BBC-broadcast-Reading-Festival-performance.html). There is an older discussion about his 'live' work here (http://www.inforoo.com/thread/24335/eminem-rely-on-backing-tracks?page=1&scrollTo=815999). Way back in 2004 (http://www.geofffox.com/MT/archives/2004/10/31/eminem-lip-syncs-too.php) as well on SNL -- lost his voice my ass. The Beasties had their live performance down pat and it seemed to get better over time.

Cool story. I'm over it.

[Kid Presentable]

Are you saying the album's release date is listed as 2000, in iTunes (or whatever)?

Yeah, in iTunes.

[tt5brevisited]

Borderline.

He's has a live mic on low and a backing vocal track.


This ^
I recall Public Enemy, Rakim, Ultra Magnetic etc doing the semi live thing during concerts.
Some of the LTI era Beastie Boys TV performances were 100% lip synced.
It happens.

[Brother McDuff]

not tryna sound like a hater, but i feel eminem singles too often ride the strength of some previous hit song, a la 'Stan' (sampling Dido), 'Berzerk' (sampling 'The Stroke'), 'Sing for the Moment' ('Dream On'), etc. Obviously sampling is sampling, but i think sampling a song that was already a hit is kinda a cop out, especially when it's not done very creatively. its kinda like saying "im gonna take this hit and rap over it", as opposed to " im gonna take this really obscure song and flip it" or even "im gonna take this hit song and flip it into something really new and different from what it was". i guess i feel he does this too much.

im definitely down with The Slim Shady LP, but beyond that have trouble really getting into Em. I've really tried too. i respect the talent, no doubt, but just don't really find him pleasing to listen to, nor do i really care about anything he has to say i guess. plus his beats are kinda mediocre IMO.

(bracing self for backlash....:o)

[YoungRemy]

This ^
I recall Public Enemy, Rakim, Ultra Magnetic etc doing the semi live thing during concerts.
Some of the LTI era Beastie Boys TV performances were 100% lip synced.
It happens.

it happened with Nas in '09 at Bonnaroo, did it not?
(not 100% lip synced, tho, just backing vocal track)

[Brother McDuff]

wow, throw "So Far..." (Joe Walsh) and "Rhyme & Reason" (The Zombies) on that list too. Yikes, shit's worse than i thought. just blatantly riding the coattails of another song.

definitely think the frequency of his choice in these kinda beats cheapens the art of sampling. (and Rick Rubin is clearly not helping the matter)

[tt5brevisited]

i think sampling a song that was already a hit is kinda a cop out, especially when it's not done very creatively. its kinda like saying "im gonna take this hit and rap over it", as opposed to " im gonna take this really obscure song and flip it" or even "im gonna take this hit song and flip it into something really new and different from what it was". i guess i feel he does this too much.

I hear you.
Maybe it has to do with:

"im gonna take this hit and rap over it"
'Walk this way' etc, even earlier, Sugar Hill era, that was all they we're doing.
It fits Berzerk's concept I guess.

" im gonna take this really obscure song and flip it"
I guess this would be more like 90's era sampling, D.I.T.C and them.

[brooklyndust]

Well the beasties are exempt when it comes to Triple Trouble. Even though they sampled the opening bassline, I remember being really disappointed that they chose that song to sample.

[Micodin]

To be fair his biggest singles didn't have any "hit" samples.

"Love the Way You Lie" - 11× Platinum - No samples.

"Lose Yourself" - 5× Platinum - No samples.

"Not Afraid" - 2× Platinum - No samples.

"Stan" - 2× Platinum - "Thank You" by Dido.

The Stan convo is interesting. The 45 King made the beat a year after "Thank You" came out and it was still unknown. "Thank You" didn't actually break and climb the charts until "Stan" blew up.

Yes, Em like EVERY rapper/producer has used samples, sometimes well known songs, sometimes rare shit. It's Hip-Hop. To single him out is unfair. Especially after what Puffy was doing in the shiny suit Bad Boy era.

I sample, my friends sample. All rules are to be made broken.

My favorite records of the past couple of years (Blue Chips & Blue Chips 2) are flagrant with samples.

And if you meant lead singles... that argument is pretty much moot as well.

I think to bring in Rick Rubin and have him not sample songs would of been counterproductive. I mean, he brought in the guy responsible for Raising Hell and LTI for a reason. To get those dope RR scratches, guitars, samples, and breakbeats.

[Brass Monk]

Yeah, it's little wrong to critique Em for sampling hit songs. In Hip Hop you can usually tell who is just hiding behind a hit and who has actual talent. Em is in the latter category unquestionably.

That said, "I love the way you lie", sample or not, was a pure sellout record (and no, not because it literally sold out).

[Kid Presentable]

not tryna sound like a hater, but i feel eminem singles too often ride the strength of some previous hit song, a la 'Stan' (sampling Dido), 'Berzerk' (sampling 'The Stroke'), 'Sing for the Moment' ('Dream On'), etc. Obviously sampling is sampling, but i think sampling a song that was already a hit is kinda a cop out, especially when it's not done very creatively. its kinda like saying "im gonna take this hit and rap over it", as opposed to " im gonna take this really obscure song and flip it" or even "im gonna take this hit song and flip it into something really new and different from what it was". i guess i feel he does this too much.

im definitely down with The Slim Shady LP, but beyond that have trouble really getting into Em. I've really tried too. i respect the talent, no doubt, but just don't really find him pleasing to listen to, nor do i really care about anything he has to say i guess. plus his beats are kinda mediocre IMO.

(bracing self for backlash....:o)

Nah, you’re too well regarded and your opinions are too measured and credible to inspire backlash. And – on my part anyway – I don’t really mark out for Em like that. Not leaping to his defence, in any instance really. Of course, I do put him in the category of best rappers living (If not THE best) but accept that he makes woeful music at a disproportionately high rate.

I guess he’s the kind of artist I feel that I can critique with a certain level of objectivity, whilst also enjoying many select parts of his output.

The intention of the first thread was obvious due to the Beastie nods in the clip; this thread was equal parts trolling and gaining the BG perspective on Rap God. I thought it would be interesting. Like all good art, in the very least it inspires discussion.

I’m hearing you on the whole sampling thing, for sure. For what it’s worth I still think the Joe Walsh thing really works. It’s kinda bizarre in general, but these are the kinds of things musically I think RR would probably have put to the B-Boys had they collaborated again. It’s laziness to simply parlay the hooks the way he has, though.

I guess the dichotomy between the acts is evident in what you can produce when you stay in your lane creatively (B-Boys) as opposed to dipping out, going in other directions and eventually trying to instead recapture long-lost hip-hop lightning in a bottle at a time far past your prime (RR).

There is this weird cross-fade/drop-out effect scattered throughout the album which has a very cool old-school feel to it. I could see that being a RR thing. Happens on the opening few tracks and throughout the disc. It does evoke Beastie Boys, for me. But I'm reaching.

Unrelated - maybe if people are/aren’t interested they could check out ‘Groundhog Day’ off the deluxe. That’s not a bad track at all.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Yeah, it's little wrong to critique Em for sampling hit songs. In Hip Hop you can usually tell who is just hiding behind a hit and who has actual talent. Em is in the latter category unquestionably.

That said, "I love the way you lie", sample or not, was a pure sellout record (and no, not because it literally sold out).

"I love the way you lie" may be the worst song on the planet, ever. When I watched that wretched video it confirmed in my mind that Em is not worth much artistically. Em has had too many shit tracks to get my respect. Sometimes I think his talents are gimmicky and wear thin. He is not similar to Beastie Boys (thank god) and his latest collaboration with Rick Rubin reminds me of how happy I am that Beastie Boys and Rick Rubin parted ways professionally.

[Micodin]

There is this weird cross-fade/drop-out effect scattered throughout the album which has a very cool old-school feel to it. I could see that being a RR thing. Happens on the opening few tracks and throughout the disc. It does evoke Beastie Boys, for me. But I'm reaching.

Rick did it on Yeezus as well. You can hear it more noticeably on Black Skinhead.

[cj hood]

Not a fan of MM and his falsetto voice. This track is garbage after the first 10s.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Not a fan of MM and his falsetto voice. This track is garbage after the first 10s.

(y)

[Lyman Zerga]

Not a fan of MM and his falsetto voice. This track is garbage after the first 10s.

(y)

[JohnnyChavello]

Eminem is hit or miss for me too, and the bad songs can be, musically, pretty unlistenable, but it's borderline retarded to say he's not "worth much artistically."

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Eminem is hit or miss for me too, and the bad songs can be, musically, pretty unlistenable, but it's borderline retarded to say he's not "worth much artistically."

In my world I am fine with your opinion that my opinion is borderline
retarded. However I should remind you that it is important to tolerate others' views as long as those views are not harmful to others. Posting on a MM board that I do not like MM seems malevolent. However, this is a Beastie Boys board and I do not like 99.9 percent of the MM artistic output. I think his artistic merits are low (compared to other hip hop artists past and present). If you do not agree then voice your opinion respectively (e.g., 'I respectfully disagree my dear sir') as opposed to hurling insults about one's intelligence -- it is childish.

This review (http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/18733-eminem-the-marshall-mathers-lp-2/) of his new LP should really end this conversation and reaffirm his crumbling pseudo-legacy. MM does not deserve to grace the pages of this board.

[Lyman Zerga]

In my world I am fine with your opinion that my opinion is borderline
retarded. However I should remind you that it is important to tolerate others' views as long as those views are not harmful to others. Posting on a MM board that I do not like MM seems malevolent. However, this is a Beastie Boys board and I do not like 99.9 percent of the MM artistic output. I think his artistic merits are low (compared to other hip hop artists past and present). If you do not agree then voice your opinion respectively (e.g., 'I respectfully disagree my dear sir') as opposed to hurling insults about one's intelligence -- it is childish.

This review (http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/18733-eminem-the-marshall-mathers-lp-2/) of his new LP should really end this conversation and reaffirm his crumbling pseudo-legacy. MM does not deserve to grace the pages of this board.


dont you got your disrespectful moments here too? just saying
but i agree calling it retarded is retarded!

and yeah if eminem was the best thing ever happened to hip hop then i wouldnt be a hip hop fan

[Michelle*s_Farm]

dont you got your disrespectful moments here too? just saying
but i agree calling it retarded is retarded!

and yeah if eminem was the best thing ever happened to hip hop then i wouldnt be a hip hop fan

I have definitely lost my temper in the past and do try to keep it under control and be respectful to others. Electronic communication always seems to lead to misunderstandings. I am not perfect and sometimes I have lapses or get into unnecessary arguments with others I probably agree with at some level. Bummer really. Just tryin' to work on it.

[Lyman Zerga]

i can respect that (y)

[JohnnyChavello]

In my world I am fine with your opinion that my opinion is borderline
retarded. However I should remind you that it is important to tolerate others' views as long as those views are not harmful to others. Posting on a MM board that I do not like MM seems malevolent. However, this is a Beastie Boys board and I do not like 99.9 percent of the MM artistic output. I think his artistic merits are low (compared to other hip hop artists past and present). If you do not agree then voice your opinion respectively (e.g., 'I respectfully disagree my dear sir') as opposed to hurling insults about one's intelligence -- it is childish.

This review (http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/18733-eminem-the-marshall-mathers-lp-2/) of his new LP should really end this conversation and reaffirm his crumbling pseudo-legacy. MM does not deserve to grace the pages of this board.

I am fine with your opinion and with your right to express it, but I'll just go ahead and say whatever the fuck I want - respectively, respectfully, or not. I know I use swear words sometimes, but we're all adults, aren't we?

Why would that review "end" the conversation? Some 20 year-old at Pitchfork doesn't like this particular album (and probably knows next to nothing about hip-hop) and, OK, folks that's it, no need to think for yourselves? Pitchfork said it's so. Seems like wishful thinking. You need to get out of Brooklyn more often.

Trust me: I do say all of this respectfully. I just don't get your particular criticism - it seems partisan and unthinking.

[Brass Monk]

In my world I am fine with your opinion that my opinion is borderline
retarded. However I should remind you that it is important to tolerate others' views as long as those views are not harmful to others. Posting on a MM board that I do not like MM seems malevolent. However, this is a Beastie Boys board and I do not like 99.9 percent of the MM artistic output. I think his artistic merits are low (compared to other hip hop artists past and present). If you do not agree then voice your opinion respectively (e.g., 'I respectfully disagree my dear sir') as opposed to hurling insults about one's intelligence -- it is childish.

This review (http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/18733-eminem-the-marshall-mathers-lp-2/) of his new LP should really end this conversation and reaffirm his crumbling pseudo-legacy. MM does not deserve to grace the pages of this board.

No offense but,
nobody here talks about Eminem more than you do.
I think you secretly love Eminem.

[Kid Presentable]

He flipped out on a teenage girl like Eminem would have.

[Lyman Zerga]

No offense but,
nobody here talks about Eminem more than you do.
I think you secretly love Eminem.

i wish it would be secretly!

[Michelle*s_Farm]

I am fine with your opinion and with your right to express it, but I'll just go ahead and say whatever the fuck I want - respectively, respectfully, or not. I know I use swear words sometimes, but we're all adults, aren't we?

Why would that review "end" the conversation? Some 20 year-old at Pitchfork doesn't like this particular album (and probably knows next to nothing about hip-hop) and, OK, folks that's it, no need to think for yourselves? Pitchfork said it's so. Seems like wishful thinking. You need to get out of Brooklyn more often.

Trust me: I do say all of this respectfully. I just don't get your particular criticism - it seems partisan and unthinking.


Well of course one review that I wrote (just kidding) does not change the fact that most people like MM and he has received excellent reviews in the past. I just love Pitchfork (even though they gave my favoruite band a 0/10 once -- bastards!) more than MM. But maybe Brass Monk is right and I am in denial of my love for MM. To each his or her own, it is cool to swear about me disliking MM (and vice versa -- if that makes sense) ;)

[Micodin]

Fuck Pitchfork.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Fuck Pitchfork.

You know as much as Pitchfork can annoy, some of reviewers do a
great job. Lately though I have been much more into artists' reviews of albums from "The Talkhouse" website. (http://thetalkhouse.com/)

Below are examples of recent ones if you have not seen them yet. Would love to see Elvis Costello do a full Beastie Boys LP review.

Lou Reed --> Kanye West
Ezra Koenig --> Drake
Annie Clark --> Arcade Fire

[Micodin]

You know as much as Pitchfork can annoy, some of reviewers do a
great job. Lately though I have been much more into artists' reviews of albums from "The Talkhouse" website. (http://thetalkhouse.com/)

Below are examples of recent ones if you have not seen them yet. Would love to see Elvis Costello do a full Beastie Boys LP review.

Lou Reed --> Kanye West
Ezra Koenig --> Drake
Annie Clark --> Arcade Fire

That I can get into. Pitchfork's pertinacious ratings drive me mental. I believe TT5B got a 7.9, TMU got a 4.6. Why the .6? Round it up you hipster fucks!

I'll check that Talkhouse site. Sounds promising.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Round it up you hipster fucks!

Thanks for that. Now I have big perma-grin during a shit day, I like this quote a lot -- priceless :)

[pshabi]

Awwwwww.......a budding friendship!!!! :p